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    Honda's thoughts on the 1981 ATC250R

    Performance First. These two words say all one ever needs to know about Honda’s relentless quest to produce the industry’s finest motorsports machinery. Perhaps less apparent, though, at least to the casual enthusiast, is how aptly this, their official powersports mantra, defines what’s arguably Honda’s greatest and most enduring role: that of market revolutionary.

    For decades, Honda has been the bellwether of innovation, introducing products across all motorsports segments that forever changed the way we look at performance.

    The ATC250R, introduced in 1981, was one such machine. It marked the debut of the world’s first true high-performance ATC, signaling not only that Honda was as serious about winning on three wheels as it was on two, but also paving the way for the modern ATVs of today, the Baja 1000-winning Honda FourTrax Rincon being the most recent example.

    Before 1981, odds were that the only way you could get your hands on a high-performance three-wheeler was to build it yourself, usually in the form of boring and stroking an engine to the absolute limits of its original design. All that changed for good when the ATC250R took its bow, starting with a completely new frame boasting a swingarm, adjustable Showa forks and rear shock, and front disc brake (all ATC firsts).The engine, too, was something never seen before in an ATC: a slightly detuned, liquid-cooled, 248cc two-stroke single straight out of Honda’s CR250R motocrosser, refined even further with a vibration-reducing counterbalancer. Mated to a close-ratio, race-spec, five-speed manual transmission, the ATC250R was as much at home slicing nimbly through the woods as it was railing across the desert.

    None other than racing legend Mickey Thompson witnessed this performance firsthand at the 1980 Baja 1000. As the story goes, a group of Honda associates, running unofficially on preproduction ATC250Rs, surprised Thompson when they caught and passed him prerunning for the race. (Honda’s first official ATC race effort would come a year later in the SCORE-sanctioned Parker 400.) It wasn’t to be Thompson’s last interaction with the ATC250R, either, as he’d go on to play a huge part in getting an official three-wheel class sanctioned in time for the 1981 Baja 1000.

    The ATC250R would go on to several performance-enhancing evolutions (improved suspension in 1983; liquid-cooling, Pro-Link suspension and low-profile knobbies in 1985) until it was discontinued after 1986.

    However, the ATC250R’s legacy would be forever etched in the history of high-performance ATV-ing. And while the model itself might have been discontinued, the performance standards first established by this machine can still be seen today on every Honda ATV from the SportTrax 400EX to the FourTrax Rincon.

    Source: http://powersports.honda.com/the_sto...Title=TimeLine
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    yeah but kawi lead the way when it came to the innovation of liquid cooling, not honda. kawi dropped the first liquid cooled 250 2 stroke motor into a trike chassis in 83 ( 84 model kxt250 a1 ). honda followed the leader this time not the other way around. and from that day on kawi was the major thorn in hondas side.!!!! ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    spoken from a true kawi fan right there.

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    Why did it say that the 81 250r was liquid cooled?

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    they had a liquid cooled head did they not? and honda did have a water coller in 84 but not open to the public till 85....

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    as far as i know 81-84 were all AIR foolers. not liquid cooled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factoryX View Post
    they had a liquid cooled head did they not? and honda did have a water coller in 84 but not open to the public till 85....
    and kawi came out with the 84 t3 model in 83...again ahead of honda! enough of the arguement, just "let the good times roll!" lol.
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    That's all good if you're a Honda fan. Unfortunately, Kawi fans know that 81 was really the last "innovation" by Honda in the 3 wheeler market. When the Tecate came out, it was all Kawasaki except for 1985. 1984 - 1987 Kawasaki led all the trike innovations. And Kawi's had far superior engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny's X View Post
    spoken from a true kawi fan right there.
    Yeah, what's wrong with that? Are you speaking in behalf of Honda because you're a Honda fan? Why is it OK for you but not the Kawi guys?

    I just don't understand why the Honda guys get all bent out of shape when kawi guys bring up the superior Tecates. The truth is the truth. Getting upset about it, isn't going to change what really happened. Ride on!!

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    Honda took it to the next lever and never looked back.

    Mad props to the Kawi first gen water pumpers.

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    Thats why you see so many Kawis around. Superior overall product would equal larger numbers no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dansvan View Post
    Thats why you see so many Kawis around. Superior overall product would equal larger numbers no?
    I've never seen a single kawasaki trike in my life in person or on trademe.
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    What does the rarity of Tecates have to do with them being superior racers to Honda?

    Why are small block Chevys so common vs Ford and Dodge? Is it because Ford and Dodge are junk? Why is it so easy and cheap to build a small block Chevy and it is harder to find aftermarket parts and more expensive to build old Fords and Dodges?

    I think people get confused when it comes to a maker that was in the right place at the right time to corner the market in after market parts and people mistaken see that as in a certain company is superior. That just isn't true.

    The bottom line is, Hondas were everywhere. They jumped out in front of everybody and people caught on and stuck with them. The other manufactures were beat to the punch and had less of a following because of it. The after market opened up for Honda and since there were so many more made, they are easier to find parts for and more readily available.

    None of that has anything to do with Tecates being a better race machine then Honda. You can hate it, disagree with it, dislike it all you want, but Tecates were superior to 250R's except for 1985 (and even then the KXT 250 was a more powerful engine then the 250R). So deny it if you want, you can't hide from fact.

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    Then how do you explain this?


    Just kidding, i have always liked kawi's and will admit they do seem to make far better machines
    Three Air R's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamatrike400 View Post
    Then how do you explain this?


    Just kidding, i have always liked kawi's and will admit they do seem to make far better machines
    I don't know about that.

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