CPSC at it again

[Dusty]

yea i agree they will not take mine......they just cant tell you what to own after you already own it....they wont give me money for mine cause i will not take anything for mine.....

[Somekindofjerk]

It looks more like they are just banning the production again. So that the modern trikes from haley and what not cannot be produced anymore. The other deal with the children ATV restrictions has allways been in engine size but now its allso in speed. Its not really a big change... Just renewing the trike ban, and modifying Youth atv speeds and engine sizes.

[atctim]

There is an easy way for the CPSC to get past this "hurdle" they are facing - and it's so stinking obvious (but for them nothing is obvious because they are a bunch of 1-sided thinkers who are easily swayed by money weilding lobbists):

The answer..............Survey Says:

TRAINING AND EDUCATION!!!!!!!!!!!

The government wouldn't take a soldier on his first day of training camp and hand him a missle launcher would they - my God no. So why is it that the government finds it so hard to accept the fact that if you give someone who has only ridden 4 wheeled ATV's (or has no ATV experience) a 3 wheeler, chances are they will tip it over. The extent of the injury is normally in direct conjunction with the rate of speed the inexperienced rider is going when said rollover occurs.

How can they expect manufacturers to be held responisble for the end users stupidy?

If they really want to make a differnece, they would follow these easy guidelines:

#1 manditory training and educational guidelines. - Parents should not be able to purchase any ATV for their children without passing a written exam including risks and training for training their kids. This puts a thought into the parents head before sending Junior on his way. Like mentioned in other posts - tons of parents out there know nothing about ATV's and have never ridden them, but just go out and buy their kids ATV's and turn them loose - the old Babysitter Theory as it was put in a previous post.

#2 - once the parents pass the guidelines, put the kids thru a rigerous 40 hour training coarse - including all riding aspects - not just a 4 hour "ride this coarse and you will be deemed safe".

#3 - a test should be taken just like state drivers license. You should take it on YOUR own ATV - that way idiots that can't ride 3 wheelers, will not be given the oppertunity to do so. The problem now becomes enforcement. How could all of this be enforced. Here's an idea - take all of the freaking DCNR and game wardens that are so busy writting people tickets for not picking up used rifle casings or used toilet paper and make them patrol public and private grounds for licensed ATV drivers. If you are not licensed and are caught riding an ATV - it's impounded!!!

This may sound harsh, but think about the aspects of what would happen:

A - most of us here have years of experience riding ATC's - we could pass the tests with flying colors and be on our happy way - hopefully on federally funded trail systems.

B - the kids that don't know the basics get taught the right way with a lot less scars and injuries and deaths - becasue the yknow how to ride now.

C - the scofflaws no longer have their ATVs to ride.

Sure it may sound a little off center and extreme, but isn't it better than them taking away our beloved atc's - OUR PASSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!
A good set of guidelines needs to be pushed right back at the CPSC

Put someone with a half of brain in office and we'll go places.

[IrvSLedman]

First of all, how does the governement know i have three wheelers, i live in BFE, non are registered, there is no way they could locate Mine if they need to, there is no records on it since probably the 80's, and a gun and a three wheeler are completely different, i would not classify them in the same area of "they took away the Tec-9" the most people can do with a 3 wheeler is kill your self, OR i can get a m-14 and go shoot people from a tower, completely different.

Edit: And Katrina was a disaster, the military was tring toget control of the situation and people were killing each other and it was out of control, its not like its the road warrior here, people arnt riding around the streets killing people.

[LonesomeTriZ]

Okay, this needs to get better organized. Billy, take lead and organize a strategy. Delegate some responsibility to those you feel could help farther this cause. I am not real good about finding information via the internet, but I know there is some way of getting a list of the states representatives and their contact information. I just sent a letter about to mine about those stupid funeral protestors and I got a response. All I am saying is it was acknowledged. We must form an organized strategy and a team that can handle to burden of battle. Call in for support from the .org crew and other trike sites. Then once the trike community is unified we must get the quad guys attention as well. This WILL ultimately affect them as well if we lose. I would be happy to offer what assistance I can before I leave for OCS. Once I complete my training I will be a commissioned office in the Army. That might hold some weight. I know there are other very respectable members of the trike community here who also have good credentials. Let’s put them all together and see what kind of damage we can do.

[atctim]

A good start would be some stats - didn't someone post some stats that show that more people get hurt on quads - percentage numbers - than trikes??????

Not that we want to down play quads, but facts are facts, and the cpsc is starting with trikes so..........................

[LonesomeTriZ]

Bad Idea!!! Do not Bad Idea!!! Do not bring up that kind of information. The first thing it will do is alienate the quad riders. We WANT their support. Then it brings up the whole injury thing. When ever the subject of injuries come up it must be done in such a way that inexperience or rider error is to blame. Remember, they are only machines, and machines can only do what the human operating it tells it do. That is the point that we must get across.

[atctim]

Bad Idea!!! Do not Bad Idea!!! Do not bring up that kind of information. The first thing it will do is alienate the quad riders. We WANT their support. Then it brings up the whole injury thing. When ever the subject of injuries come up it must be done in such a way that inexperience or rider error is to blame. Remember, they are only machines, and machines can only do what the human operating it tells it do. That is the point that we must get across.

Good point - Where then do we start???? A letter to our local congressman and state reps would help. Maybe get someone well versed - such as TimSr - to come up with a form letter we could email out reps. If we could even get 1000 people from here and org to email to our reps - it would probably help

[Dammit!]

Good point - Where then do we start???? A letter to our local congressman and state reps would help. Maybe get someone well versed - such as TimSr - to come up with a form letter we could email out reps. If we could even get 1000 people from here and org to email to our reps - it would probably help

Don't stop at this place and dot org. Get all the off road sites involved. It's only a matter of time before the focus gets shifted from trikes to everything else.

[crackshot]

The only way you are going to be heard is to send an e-mail to your state reps so they can deliver the message to congress.
It does have an affect. They wanted to give 15 million acres to feds (our hunting and riding areas) to help pay for katrina.
We changed the mind of our reps supporting this bill and they shot it down and kept our land.

[mean350]

((Don't Bypass the Word Filter))

[LonesomeTriZ]

If you want statistic get a number of how many ATV’s in general are sold each year, then get a number of ‘legal” ATV related injuries. Legal as in the opposite of that guy that ran from the police on a YFZ and got smacked by a car. Then get a number of the cars passenger cars and trucks sold in a year and the number of related injuries. I guarantee the number sold far at weigh the number of injuries. These pricks want to focus on the injuries and not the truth. Now, being since this country will stop with out automobiles they are safe from being band and will make a good argument. People are hurt and killed every day on America’s highways. Does that mean we must band the passenger vehicles? Machines can only do what they are told. Every single mishap IS human error in some fashion. Even if a part if faulty. That part is bad because some where along the way the human that made a mistake. Whether it be in the instillation or use.

Remember, we are the first line of defense. General Rumell said it best when describing the defense for the allied invasion. “You have to stop them at the gate! If you do not, you will never stop their invasion and intimate victory.” Well he was correct now wasn’t he? We must stop them, if we do not quads and dirt bikes are next. Then who knows…

[SPD FRK]

I'll be glad when these manufacturers realize there is more than one country on this damn planet. I may be wrong but I'm assuming the big bad ban was only in *YOU* SA. With them being the center of the known universe though it effected all the hairless apes everywhere. I'm more than a little tired of everything being *YOU* S based. Send those trikes to Canada, Australia, South America, Europe, pretty much any country except *YOU* S and there will be no problem. Sure people will still get hurt but no one will get sued for it. We call that natural selection here. Makes the idiots easier to spot if they are in body casts.
Instead of regulating everything into a nice neutral beige color, try a little education. It may help. At least teach people to recognize when its thier own fault.

[69HemiGTX]

OK, I have read all of the juicy bits, and I don't like this at all. This could have a huge imapct on my state/county/town due to the fact that Little Sahara is four miles from my house. I don't need to explain the dunes in Waynoka, as most here already know. The economic impact this could have is far-reaching, especially in a little town like mine that is so dependent on tourism. I am going to contact my Congressman (Frank D. Lucas (R), Oklahoma 3rd) very shortly with links to both documents. Since Little Sahara is in his district, I am sure he would like to know what it's all about, if he doesn't already.


Want to contact your Congressman? Start here:

www.house.gov/


Please remember to keep your letters clean and written with good grammar. Another thing, as hard as it is for some, keep your political opinions to yourself! Nothing makes you look dumb quicker than fly-off-the-handle, extremely biased comments about something you learned about on Fox News.

[LonesomeTriZ]

Please remember to keep your letters clean and written with good grammar. Another thing, as hard as it is for some, keep your political opinions to yourself! Nothing makes you look dumb quicker than fly-off-the-handle, extremely biased comments about something you learned about on Fox News.

Damn good advice!

Thanks for the link. I knew there was a way to do it.