ATC Steering Stem Swaps?

[Mr. NeverPlea]

So how is life, with one wheel in the sky? Psyched to re-start some atc in my life also!
Before I begin... I would like to start my venture better armed, if anyone is so gracious to share.
Subject is unknown year Atc110.

Looking for any information pertaining to steering stem sizes.
Ultimately looking to build a forked front end.

Starting at the top, Any known stems/trees swap from common dirtbikes? (I haven't considered fork lengths, yet. I prefer to have trees fixed before attempting to guess a preference of ride height) Although, I am aware of rake changes with fork lengths, rake built into trees, Caster offsets built in, and stuff and things... man.

So more specifically, any known stems fit? Or anyone know of stem/tree combos that are popular in the community already?

Thanks, if you made it this far.

"Vertical or inverted forks.... both are useless when they hang horizontal."

[Mr. NeverPlea]

Continuing with research, I discovered a list. List indicates bikes that are known to share upper and lower bearing sizes. No indication of rake or other information, but its a start...


Upper: 22.5 x 41 x 12.5
Lower: 24 x 41 x 12.5
Honda MB-5-50 (82)
Honda MR-50/K1 (74-75)
Honda MT50Z, MTX50
Honda NSF50F (90)
Honda Z50A/K3-K5/RH/RJ, Z50A (71-76)
Honda Z50R (79-87), Z50RD (86)
Honda CR60R (83)
Honda ATC70/K1 (73-74), ATC70 (78-85)
Honda CL70/K1-K3 (69-73)
Honda CT70/K1-K4 (69-76), CT70H/HK1 (70-73), CT70 (76-82)
Honda SL70/K1 (71-73)
Honda XL70 (74-76)
Honda XL75 (77-79)
Honda XR75 (73-78)
Honda MB80, MBX80RFD/RSD
Honda MTX80/C
Honda XL80S (80-85)
Honda XR80 (79-84), XR80RF-R (86-98)
Honda ATC90 (75-85)
Honda CS90
Honda CT90 (68-79)
Honda SL90 (69)
Honda ST90K1-K4
Honda CB/CL100/K1-K3 (76-78)
Honda SL100/K1-K3 (70-73)
Honda XL100/K1 (74-75), XL100/S (76-85)
Honda XR100RP-R (85-98)
Honda ATC110 (79-85)
Honda CT110 (80-86)
Honda XL110/S (76-85)
Honda ATC125M (84-87)
Honda CB125/S (76-85), CB125T/J (78-81), CB125TT (90)
Honda CG125
Honda CM125T/J (82-85)
Honda CR125M/M1 (74-78)
Honda CT125 (77), CT125H/J/K (87-89)
Honda MBX125
Honda MT125 (74-76), MT125R/RII (77-78)
Honda SL125/K1/K2
Honda TL125/K1/K2/S (73-76)
Honda XL125K-3 (78-79), XL125S (79-85)
Honda MR175K (75-77)
Honda ATC185/S (80-83)
Honda CM185C (78), CM185T (78-79)
Honda XL185S (79-83), XL185SH/SJ/SK
Honda XR185 (79)
Honda ATC200 (79-83), ATC200E Big Red (82-84), ATC200S (84-85)
Honda CM200T (80-82)
Honda XR200 (80-83)
Honda CB250N (Late Models)
Honda CBX250F (85)
Honda CM250C (82-86), CM250T (80-82), CMX250C/CD (85-87)

Common sense and images can eliminate a lot. I will start here.

[Mr. NeverPlea]

Right off hand, the older Cr and Xl are intresting. Might could find that.. I suppose, I need a rake filter for the list now. Even the z50...

[Mr. NeverPlea]

Found a fork diameter and length chart. Not sure I should post it. What I know now.... kind of points toward xr70 stuff. Still can't confirm. I have also read many threads that drop off like a hot sack of rocks after opinions start flying. Maybe, I am lucky...

[Mr. NeverPlea]

Listed by SIZE,BRAND, MODEL, YEAR

33 Honda CX-500 (78-79), CX-500C (79), CX-500D (79)
33 Honda CX-500C "Custom" (80)
33 Honda CX-500C "Custom" (80)
33 Honda CR-80R (84)
33 Honda CR-80R (85-86)
33 Honda TLR-200 (86-87) "Reflex"
33 Honda XL-200R (83-84)
33 Honda CMX-250C (85-87, 96-04)
33 Honda CMX-250C2 (99-00)
33 Honda TL-250K "Trials 250" (75-76)
33 Honda CB-350F/F1/G (72-74)
33 Honda CL-350 "Scrambler 350" (72-73)
33 Honda CB-360/T (75-76), CL-360K (74), CJ-360T (76-77)
33 Honda CJ-360T (76-77)
33 Honda CB-400A "Hondamatic" (78)
33 Honda CB-400A "Hondamatic" (78)
33 Honda CB-400T I & T II "Hawk" (78-79)
33 Honda CB-400T (80 From 2004662 - 81)
33 Honda CB-400T (80 To 2004661)
33 Honda CB-400F (unsure?)
33 Honda CM-400A "Hondamatic" (79-81)
33 Honda CM-400T (79-81)
33 Honda CM-400E (80-81)
33 Honda CM-400T (79-80 To 2114344)
33 Honda CB-450SC (82-86)
33 Honda CM-450A/E (82-83)
33 Kawasaki KX-65A1-A5 (00-04)
33 Kawasaki KX-80E1 (83)
33 Kawasaki KX-80E2/E3 (84-85)
33 Kawasaki KZ-305A1/A2 "CSR" (81-82)
33 Kawasaki KZ-400A1/A2 "Deluxe" (77-78)
33 Kawasaki KZ-400C1 (78)
33 Kawasaki KZ-400H1 "Ltd" (79)
33 Kawasaki KZ-440A1 "Ltd" (80)
33 Kawasaki KZ-440A2-A4 "Ltd" (81-83)
33 Kawasaki KZ-440D1 "Ltd" (80)
33 Kawasaki KZ-440D2-D4 "Ltd" (81-83)
33 Suzuki RM-65K3/K4 (03-04)
33 Suzuki RM-80 G/H/J (86-88)
33 Suzuki GN-250 Z/D (82-83)
33 Suzuki GS-250 TT/TX (80-81)
33 Suzuki GT-250 K/L/M/A/B "Hustler" (73-77)
33 Suzuki GS-300 LZ/LD (82-83)
33 Suzuki GT-380 J/K "Sebring" (72-73)
33 Suzuki GT-380 L/M/A/B "Sebring" (74-77)
33 Suzuki GS-400 B/XB (77)
33 Suzuki GS-400 C/XC (78)
33 Suzuki GS-425 N/EN (79)
33 Suzuki GS-450 ET/ST/EX/SX/EZ/ED (80-83)
33 Suzuki GS-450 GAZ/GAD (82-83)
33 Suzuki GS-450 LT/LX/LZ (80-82)
33 Suzuki GS-450 TX/TZ/TXZ/TXD(81-83)
33 Yamaha YZ-80 K/L/N/S/T/U/W/A/B/D (83-92)
33 Yamaha BW-200 ES/ET/EU (86-88)
33 Yamaha TW-200 T/TC/U/UC/W/WC/A/AC/B/BC/D/DC/E/EC "Trailway" (87-93)
33 Yamaha TW-200 F/FC/G/GC/H/HC/J/JC/EK/EKC "Trailway" (94-98)
33 Yamaha TW-200 L/LC/M/MC/N/NC/P/PC/R/RC/S/SC (99-04)
33 Yamaha SRX-250 T/TC (87)
33 Yamaha XV-250 U/UC/W/WC/A/AC (88-90)
33 Yamaha XV-250 G/GC/H/HC/J/JC/K/KC/L/LC (95-99)
33 Yamaha BW-350 U (88)
33 Yamaha XS-360 C/D/2D (76-77)
33 Yamaha XS-400 D/E/2E/F/2F/G/H (77-81)
33 Yamaha XS-400 SG/SH (80-81)

35 Honda CX-500C "Custom" (81-82)
35 Honda GL-500/I (81-82)
35 Honda CR-80R (87-95)
35 Honda CR-125M "Elsinore" (76)
35 Honda CR-125M "Elsinore" (77-78)
35 Honda NX-125 (88-90)
35 Honda XR-200R (81-83)
35 Honda CL72 "Scrambler 250"
35 Honda CR-250M/M1 "Elsinore" (73, 75-76)
35 Honda MR-250 "Elsinore" (76)
35 Honda VTR-250 "Interceptor VTR" (88-90)
35 Honda XL-250 "Motosport 250" (72, 74-76)
35 Honda XL-250S (78-80 To 5204066)
35 Honda XL-250S (80 From 5204067 - 81)
35 Honda XR-250 (79-80)
35 Honda CL77 "Scrambler 305"
35 Honda SL-350 "Motosport 350" (72)
35 Honda XL-350 (74-78)
35 Honda CL-450 "Scrambler" (69-72)
35 Honda CB-450 (70-74)
35 Honda CB-500 "500 Four" (71-73)
35 Honda GB-500 (89-90)
35 Honda XL-500S (79-80 To 5104835)
35 Honda XL-500S (80- 81)
35 Honda CB-550 "550 Four K" (74-78)
35 Honda CB-650 (79-80)
35 Honda CB-650 (81-82)
35 Honda CB-650C (80 To 2009951)
35 Honda CB-750K (69)
35 Honda CB-750 "750 Four" (70, 72)
35 Honda CB-750A "750 Hondamatic" (76-78)
35 Honda CB-750C "Custom" (80-82)
35 Honda CB-750F "Super Sport" (75-78)
35 Honda CB-750F (79-80)
35 Honda CBX (79-80)
35 Kawasaki KX-80 G1/G2 (86-87)
35 Kawasaki KX-80 L1-L3/N1-N3 (88-90)
35 Kawasaki KE-175D1-D4 (80-83)
35 Kawasaki EX-250E1/E2 "Ninja" (86-87)
35 Kawasaki KE-250B1-B3 (77-79)
35 Kawasaki KZ-550H1/H2 "GP" (82-83)
35 Kawasaki ZX-550A1-A3 "GPz" (84-86)
35 Suzuki RM-80 K/L/M/N/P (89-93)
35 Suzuki RM-80 R/S/T/V/W/X/Y/K1 (94-01)
35 Suzuki RM-100 N/T/X (79-81)
35 Suzuki DR-125 G/H/J (86-88)
35 Suzuki DR-125 SER/SES/SET (94-96)
35 Suzuki RM-125 M/A (75-76)
35 Suzuki SP-125 G/H/J (86-88)
35 Suzuki DR-200 G/H/J (86-88)
35 Suzuki DR-200 SET/SEV/SEW/SEX/SEY/SEK1/SEK2/SK3 (96-03)
35 Suzuki RL-250 L/M "Exacta" (74-75)
35 Suzuki SP-250 Z/D/F (82-83, 85)
35 Suzuki TS-250 1 "Savage" (69)
35 Suzuki TS-250 B/C/N (77-79)
35 Suzuki GN-400 T/XT/XX/TX/TZ (80-82)
35 Suzuki TM-400 K/L/M "Cyclone" (73-75)
35 Suzuki GS-450 LD (83)
35 Suzuki GS-450 LF/LG/LH/LJ (85-88)
35 Suzuki GT-500 A/B "Titan" (76-77)
35 Suzuki RE-5M, A
35 Suzuki GS-550 LX/ LZ (81-82)
35 Suzuki GS-550 B/C/EC (77-78)
35 Suzuki GS-550 LN/LT (79-80)
35 Suzuki GS-550 LG (86)
35 Suzuki GT-550 J/K "Indy" (72-73)
35 Suzuki GT-550 K (KAYABA)/ L (73-74)
35 Suzuki GR-650 D/XD "Tempter" (83)
35 Suzuki GS-650 EX/EZ(81-82)
35 Suzuki GS-650 GLX/GLZ/GLD(81-83)
35 Suzuki GS-750 B/C/EC (77-78)
35 Suzuki GS-750 EX/EZ (81-82)
35 Suzuki GS-750 LT/LX (80-81)
35 Suzuki GS-750 TZ/TD (82-83)
35 Suzuki GT-750 J/K/L/M/A/B "Lemans" (72-77)
35 Yamaha YZ-100 G/H (80-81)
35 Yamaha IT-125 H (81)
35 Yamaha RT-180A/B/C (90-93)
35 Yamaha XT-200 J/K/KC (82-83)
35 Yamaha XT-250 G/H/J/K/KC (80-83)
35 Yamaha TZ-250 C/D/E (76-78)
35 Yamaha TZ-250 F (79)
35 Yamaha RZ-350 L/N/NC/NCII (84-85)
35 Yamaha TZ-350 /C/D/E (72-78)
35 Yamaha XS-400 J/K "Maxim" (82-83)
35 Yamaha SR-500 E/F/G/H (78-81)
35 Yamaha XS-500 C/D/E (76-78)
35 Yamaha XJ-550 RH/RJ/RK "Seca" (81-83)
35 Yamaha XZ-550 RJ/RK "Vision" (82-83)
35 Yamaha XS-650 D/E/F/2F (77-79)
35 Yamaha XS-650 SE/SF/SG/SH/SJ (78-82)
35 Yamaha TX-750/A (73-74)
35 Yamaha XS-750 D (77)

37 Honda CX-500TC (82)
37 Honda CX-650T "Turbo" (83)
37 Honda CR-80R (96-98)
37 Honda CR-80R (99-02)
37 Honda CR-85R (03-04)
37 Honda CR-125R "Elsinore" (79)
37 Honda CR-125R "Elsinore" (79)
37 Honda CR-125R "Elsinore" (80)
37 Honda CR-125R "Elsinore" (80)
37 Honda CR-250R "Elsinore" (78-80)
37 Honda CR-250R "Elsinore" (78-80)
37 Honda NX-250 (88-90)
37 Honda XR-250R (81-82)
37 Honda CMX-450C (86-87)
37 Honda FT-500 "Ascot" (82-83)
37 Honda VF-500C "Magna" (84-85)
37 Honda VT-500C "Shadow" (83-84)
37 Honda VT-500C "Shadow" (85-86)
37 Honda XL-500R (82)
37 Honda CB-550SC (83)
37 Honda CBR-600F "Hurricane" (87-90)
37 Honda CB-650SC "Nighthawk 650" (82)
37 Honda VF-700C "Magna" (84)
37 Honda VFR-700F "Interceptor" (86)
37 Honda CB-750F (81-82)
37 Honda VF-750C "V45 Magna" (82-83)
37 Honda VF-750S "Sabre" (82-83)
37 Honda VFR-750F "Interceptor 750" (86)
37 Honda CB-900C "Custom" (80-82)
37 Honda GL-1000/K "Goldwing" (75-79)
37 Honda GL-1000/K "Goldwing" (75-79)
37 Kawasaki EX-500D1-D11 "Ninja 500R" (94-04)
37 Kawasaki ZL-600A1/A2 (86-87)
37 Kawasaki ZX-600A1-A3 "Ninja" (85-87)
37 Kawasaki ZX-750A1-A3 "GPz" (83-85)
37 Kawasaki ZX-750E1/E2 "Turbo" (84-85)
37 Kawasaki ZX-1100A1 "GPz" (83)
37 Kawasaki ZX-1100A2 "GPz" (84)
37 Suzuki RM-85 K2-K4 (02-04)
37 Suzuki XN-85 D "Turbo" (83)
37 Suzuki GS-500 EK/EL/EM/EN/EP/ER/ES/ET (89-96)
37 Suzuki GS-500 EV/EW/EX/EY (97-00)
37 Suzuki GS-550 LD/LF (83, 85)
37 Suzuki GS-550 ED/ESD/ES3/ ESE/ EF/ESF/ESG (83-86)
37 Suzuki GS-650 MD "Katana" (83)
37 Suzuki GS-700 EF/ESF (85)
37 Suzuki VS-700 GLFG/GLEFG/ GLFH/GLEFH "Intruder" (85-87)
37 Suzuki VS-700 GLPG/GLEPG/ GLPH/GLEPH "Intruder" (85-87)
37 Suzuki GS-750 ED/ESD (83)
37 Suzuki GS-750 LN (79)
37 Suzuki GS-750 SD "Katana" (83)
37 Suzuki GS-850 GN/GT/GX/GZ (79-82)
37 Suzuki GS-850 GD (83)
37 Suzuki GS-1000 C/EC/N/EN/ET (78-80)
37 Suzuki GS-1000GT/GLT/GX/GLX (80-81)
37 Suzuki GS-1100 ET/EX/EZ (80-82)
37 Suzuki GS-1100 ED/ESD (83)
37 Suzuki GS-1100 GZ/GLZ (82)
37 Suzuki GS-1100 LT (80)
37 Suzuki GS-1150 ES3/ESE/EF/ESF/EF2/EG/ESG (83-86)
37 Yamaha XJ-650 LK "Seca Turbo" (83)
37 Yamaha XJ-900 RK "Seca" (83)
37 Yamaha XV-920 RH/RJ "Virago" (81-82)
37 Yamaha XJ-1100 J "Maxim" (82)
37 Yamaha XS-1100 E/F/G/H (78-81)
37 Yamaha XS-1100 LG/LH (80-81)
37 Yamaha XS-1100 LG/LH "Midnight Special" (80-81)
37 Yamaha XS-1100 SF (79)
37 Yamaha XS-1100 SF (79)


39 Honda CX-650C "650 Custom" (83)
39 Honda XL-350R (84-85)
39 Honda VT-600C "Shadow VLX"(88-04)
39 Honda VT-600CD "Shadow VLX Deluxe" (93-04)
39 Honda VT-600CD2 "Shadow Deluxe" (99-00)
39 Honda XL-600R (83-87)
39 Honda CB-650SC (83-85)
39 Honda CB-700SC (84-86)
39 Honda VF-700C "Magna" (85-87)
39 Honda VF-700F "Interceptor" (84-85)
39 Honda VT-700C "Shadow" (84-87)
39 Honda VF-750C "V45 Magna" (88)
39 Honda VF-750F "Interceptor" (83-84)
39 Honda VT-750C "Shadow" (83)
39 Honda VT-800C "Shadow" (88)
39 Honda CB-900F "Super Sport" (81-82)
39 Honda CB-1000C "Custom" (83)
39 Honda CBX (81-82)
39 Honda CB-1100F "Super Sport" (83)
39 Kawasaki ZR-550B1- (90-93)
39 Suzuki GV-700 GLF/GLF2 "Madura" (85)
39 Suzuki VS-750 GLPJ/GLPK/GLPL/GLPM "Intruder" (88-91)
39 Suzuki VS-800 GLN/GLP "Intruder" (92-93)
39 Suzuki VS-800GL R/S/T/V/W/X/Y/K1/K2/K3-K4 "Intruder" (94-04)
39 Yamaha FZ-700 T/TC (87)
39 Yamaha FZ-750/N/S/SC/UC (85-88)

[Dirtcrasher]

I guess this thread never got much traction but great info to have.

I believe that if the length is there that most Honda stems can be used in most Honda necks, they may just require a certain type of upper and lower bearing and a spacer or 2.

That's why All Balls includes a washer that some guys stare at wondering where the heck it's suppose to go. And once that lower bearing is on it's often difficult at best to remove the bearing if a spacer is required.

Steering stops are always easily fabricated and welded on...