Street Legal 250 in Cali?

[knappyfeet]

I'm sure there street legal ones everywhere but I'm thinking it's a rare occurrence in cali cal.....pero no se.

Was at the El Cajon....aka little Bagdad............Wednesday night cruise night. In between a sea of cool rods and straight piped HDs.........there came the sound of a single pinger.

There it was. I gave him the black power fist in the air and my wife tried to get a couple pics shot. It was plated and tagged and I think read........."legal atc".

Is this anyone here? Love to know how you did it.

[fabiodriven]

It's wicked wicked hard.


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[DohcBikes]

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[BOB MARLIN]

Technicaly no, you can't have a street legal one here in California. But there is some that have gotten through. If a cop stops them on the road they can call it in, weather it has plates or not and DMV will revoke the registration. Even just having a plastic tank makes it illegal as a road bike. Non DOT tires and lights that work with the engine off are other things that will do it. Some states (i'm not sure California is one of them) also require a differential in the rear- no solid axle. Having a plate and registration that says its road legal doesn't mean it actually IS road legal and it will be up to a cop to decide. Even some of the dirt bikes that got "Dually Licensed" 15-20 years ago are in danger of losing their "Road" registration if they let their reg expire and have to be re "verified".
Now days it goes off VIN. If the VIN does not come up as a bike that was manufactured for the street, no matter what you do the dmv computer will not let it be entered as anything else.
Like I said, some of them did "slip" through, but now days its all but impossible to do it - LEGALY.

My wife has been a DMV expert for over 35 years and is licensed and bonded by the state of California to do so as a private business and she has to deal with this al the time. There is exceptions though. Utility companies in rural areas can have ATV-UTV's plated for official use rural roads.

[manbearpig]

His name is Ric. He's a really nice guy. He's had that bike street legal since he bought it new in 1985. Something "happened" with the paperwork its street legal. He's brought the bike out to race a couple times. he has a blast and places well with it, turn signals and all.

[fabiodriven]

Technicaly no, you can't have a street legal one here in California. But there is some that have gotten through. If a cop stops them on the road they can call it in, weather it has plates or not and DMV will revoke the registration. Even just having a plastic tank makes it illegal as a road bike. Non DOT tires and lights that work with the engine off are other things that will do it. Some states (i'm not sure California is one of them) also require a differential in the rear- no solid axle. Having a plate and registration that says its road legal doesn't mean it actually IS road legal and it will be up to a cop to decide. Even some of the dirt bikes that got "Dually Licensed" 15-20 years ago are in danger of losing their "Road" registration if they let their reg expire and have to be re "verified".
Now days it goes off VIN. If the VIN does not come up as a bike that was manufactured for the street, no matter what you do the dmv computer will not let it be entered as anything else.
Like I said, some of them did "slip" through, but now days its all but impossible to do it - LEGALY.

My wife has been a DMV expert for over 35 years and is licensed and bonded by the state of California to do so as a private business and she has to deal with this al the time. There is exceptions though. Utility companies in rural areas can have ATV-UTV's plated for official use rural roads.

What you don't realize is how many of your laws are self implied and your very attitude would at least cause the officer suspicion, thereby leading them to contemplate taking action.

I've never heard anything about plastic tanks not being legal for road use. Just because I've never heard of it doesn't mean you're wrong, however I assuming you may be wrong for other reasons.

His bike could very well have a battery, you don't know.

The good 'ol differential argument! I get it every time! Every time I challenge anyone to cite the law and show it in black and white, they fail. People love to tell me I have to have a differential. Why? Because everyone thinks I do? If it's a requirement, show me where it says that anywhere? These are what are called self-imposed laws, limits, or rules, and this can translate into many aspects of life. Never, ever impose limits on yourself where they might not already exist. At that point you are tamed, you're doing the man's will without him even telling you.

With you and your wife's "expertise", you might be better suited as an asset as opposed to a speculator into to why it is we should aspire not to achieve. Read the laws and follow them, but take advantage where you can. There is nothing illegal about that.

When you know you're right and you can prove it even the most insistent officer has their hands tied. I've been pulled over plenty. If I had the approach you have I could easily be bullied off the road or let them "revoke my registration". When you stand before them completely confident they are powerless it's amusing to watch their reaction.






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[DohcBikes]

What you don't realize is how many of your laws are self implied and your very attitude would at least cause the officer suspicion, thereby leading them to contemplate taking action.

I agree.

The differential argument: Consider the fact that manufacturers now commonly include locking differentials on many new models.

There are several ways to get your 3 wheeler title transfered to say "MC" instead of "ATV". I have two.

[BOB MARLIN]

Look. I was just stating the facts. And this is California. Our laws are ALOT different than other states, and since this trike in in California, California rules apply-not the rules from other states. And I was not saying for a second that that trike wasn't plated, I know of two more in Palm springs California that are also.
Back in the 80's it wasn't that hard to do. Brake light, head light and turn signals was about it. When I read the post I thought he was inquireing if you could do a street legal one NOW. That's why I jumped in, as someone with the actual knowledge of what it would take to do it now. My brother in law lives in Montana, and you can register just about anything there. They don't care about any of that stuff, I saw side by sides in mall parking lots there. California is a whole different story.Plastic bags are illegal at grocery stores here-REALY. Not if that has anything to do with this other than it shows you how jacked up this state is.
The differential this IS a fact in some states. Its very likely that yours does not require it. And as I stated ,I'm not sure California does either. As far as the plastic tank is concerned, It IS in the code for California, but out of all the "Duel registered" dirt bike we did there was no question asked about weather the bike had a plastic tank or not so they all were able to keep the tank they had.
If the 8th digit in the VIN is a C or a 3 - here in California the computer at dmv will not even let it be keyed in as a plated vehicle. This started in the last 8-10 years or so. These vin number sequences did not exist in the 80's so it is likely that some were done back then, and might pass now, but you still have the rest of the guidelines to deal with.

I never stated that it couldn't be done in different states. It is just very unlikely It can be done in Califonia, where this post originated and the actual question was referring to on the original post.
We have transferred many vehicles and atv's for people on this site. They all know I'm not talking out my butt here.
California is a state like no other and is getting worse day by day. They tried to outlaw black cars 2 years ago, and it almost went through- because it use to much energy to cool them down in the summer. That should show you how bad this state is on regulation.
So while I can see that you may not agree with my answer to the post, you really have to understand that this is California we are talking about here.

[DohcBikes]

Sorry Bob but I'm going to assure you that if I wanted to make a trike street legal in California it'd be done.

[FastZ28]

Bob you need to quit before you make yourself look like more of a wet blanket. Instead of saying it can't be done you should be helping find ways it can be done. Your posts are not being helpful in any way, this forum is to help, not discourage people from doing what they want.

[BOB MARLIN]

You know what , your right.
I am just an a hole, I don't even live in California. Never even been there. I know nothing about dmv, I just made it all up. All my trikes are rolling junk. And I just wanted to discourage someone from doing something that is real easy.
I'm sorry.

[fabiodriven]

I understand your point of view and appreciate the angle from "in the trenches". That's something I can't say I can comment on California-specific.

However I will say that everyone I talked to before I got mine had 100 reasons why I couldn't register it but nobody told me why I could. I found out why I could even though everyone said I couldn't. That's the sentiment I'm trying to get across.

Also I'm waiting on the differential law.


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[DohcBikes]

I've searched and searched and searched and never been able to find any law prohibiting a locked diff. Lots of time and research went into making my 200x 50 state legal. Next is a 225dx. Maybe I'll take a trip to Cali.

[Mr. Clean]

Yeah it's not like bob's wife has 35 years of experience working at the mvd.

[fabiodriven]

Or a street legal trike.


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