Any 3 Wheeler based events in Minnesota?

[shovelryder]

Just off the phone.... With state patrol, DNR headquarters, DNR field enforcement, and wright county Sheriff's dept.......ALL said the same thing! No reg needed! Said they are not concerned about vin or ownership on a machine that old. Unreal. Said if the years on the machine and its 25 or older its free fer all. Lol!!!! now somebody else call!

[CodyRosa]

So I don't even need proof of ownership? Maybe just a bill of sale?

[shovelryder]

According to them a bill of sale would be too much. Lol!!! I'd carry it in a ziplock bag.

[83 200e]

"Well heck that isn't to bad at all from L town. Might have to meet up and ride around there! Stating to try and get to titles for my 350 and triz so i can ride without worry" ya we will have to meet up one day and hit the trails

[83 200e]

ya sounds good 90guy, we will have to meet up one day and hit the trails for a while

[kb0nly]

Hmm, odd they told you that, the state regs say otherwise, but then it depends on who you talked to. An actual officer? I got three friends in law enforcement here, state patrol, sheriff, and a local pd officer, plus a couple cop friends up north of the cities. I can't believe they would all lie the same about needing proof of ownership...

Anyway, i made a few calls myself to clarify... Just because its a collector ATV doesn't mean you don't need to register it, the DNR booklet and the regs are a bit vague, but if you read into the statutes more you will see its required still and can be acted upon if its not. I'm no attorney, but seems to me they wouldn't put Collector ATV registration in the books if they didnt require it at all.

A new collector atv registration in the state of MN is a $6 fee along with a $8.50 issuing fee, total of $14.50 and its non-expiring and non transferable. Meaning if you sold it the new owner would have to do it again, it doesn't transfer with ownership.

Don't forget also, that in MN you have to complete the ATV safety course and tuck the certificate away with your drivers license. Even if you want to argue the collector ATV aspect remember this, as an operator of a motorized vehicle you still have to present identification and other proofs requested if such happens. If your required to have a safety certificate and don't then your fined for that as well. Us older folks on here don't have to worry, but here is the regs from the book, it says nothing about the status of the ATV itself, collector or otherwise.

ATV Operators— Persons 12-15 years old and anyone born after July 1,
1987 who is 16 years or older must successfully complete ATV Safety Training
before operating an ATV on public lands, frozen waters, public road rights-of-way,
or state or grant-in-aid trails!

All three wheelers are classified as Class 1 by weight category in MN.

All ATVs operated in Minnesota must be registered with the DNR,
including those used exclusively on private property.

Now here is where we muddy the waters a bit...

ATV collector use registration
• ATVs 25 years and older are exempt from registration if they were
originally produced as a separate, identifiable make by a manufacturer.

• ATVs 25 years and older MAY be registered for unlimited use. This
registration is non-transferable.

In that first paragraph it says they are exempt.. HOWEVER, they simply mean they are exempt for collector use, i verified this through many sources. Thats why in the next paragraph they state but you may for unlimited use, meaning regular ATV usage, basically everywhere. The way its written up is deceiving... Think of the word collector, when you think of that word do you think of driving around? Nope, you think collector, i collect three wheelers, i have ten of them in my garage, collector. The state laws say ALL ATV's operated must be registered as i posted above right? Well if you were merely a collector why would you need to register them to ride them? See the confusion here? Unfortunately most people including even some law enforcement misinterprets this regulation.

When they wrote these laws up they wrote in the collector registration because most collectors of things don't operate them, they merely collect and display, but the way the laws were before said basically if it operates it needs to be registered and some were interpreting that as does it run? If so then it operates. So there was a push as there is in the collector car registration to allow an exempted status. In MN you register a collector car and get special plates, you never have to renew the plates and they give you a huge discount on the tabs for the plates every year because its a collector, not a daily driver.

Also know that a valid MN drivers license is required as well unless operating solely on designated trails. You ride anywhere else and your pulled over and asked to present and you don't have your drivers license its the same as driving your car and not having it when you get pulled over. Its all in how the law wants to prosecute, it also depends on how law savvy the officer is that pulls you over! Down here they seem to be on their toes.

Here is the full version of the latest info..

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/rlp/reg...v/ohv_regs.pdf

Bottom line its only $14.50 to register your collector and avoid any problems. I know you guys are saying they won't or havent, the cops ignore us, and blah blah. Well let me tell you it used to be that way down here, but they have stiffened the regulations and training so the officers know what to look for. Probably because the state needs citations and cash flow... LOL

One buddy of mine got caught driving his 250ES a couple weeks ago playing in the snow, was two miles from home on a country gravel road, random sheriff deputy drove by and stopped to check what he was up to. No registration, no drivers license... Got a ride home and the 250ES was impounded... After it passed a VIN check and he paid the fines, tow, impound fees, and the mere $14.50 registration he was out almost $300 for the whole nightmare. And the funny thing is the deputy told him "if it was registered and i saw the sticker i never would have bothered stopping".... So bottom line, not trying to be a pain or an ass guys, i'm just trying to help you avoid some headaches and spend that cash on fixing up your ATC instead of paying fines!

[CodyRosa]

Well that sure sucks! haha you're right kbonly.. i'll have to get some collector plates then as I don't plan on trail riding to much. I guess i got lucky, when I got my first 3 wheeler I was driving it on the side of the dirt rode (chain kept popping off so I was going very slow) and out of no where (cops DO NOT drive on dirt rodes ever unless someone actually calls for one lol) a cop drives by.. my heart sank and I thought I was done but he didn't do anything about it.

So for registering, how do I do the atv course? I looked it up once and its just a test on the computer that you pay for right? I shouldn't have to go anywhere? I'm 18 by the way.

[kb0nly]

You don't get collector plates for the ATV's, just to clear that up, as a matter of fact MN doesn't even supply plates for any ATV's. But when you register as a collector you get a sticker to put on the ATV and another sticker that you peel and fold to form the registration card you keep with you. If you want to you can make a plate, you just buy a kit with a plate and number and letter stickers and make it up, it has to be a specific size and letter size, explained in the regs as well. But as a collector atv you really don't need the plate, just a sticker on there for public use.

As for the safety course its all explained on the MN DNR website and that pamphlet i linked to as well, i know from experience and helping youth classes here for snowmobile and atv safety that its easy. Yes its just a CD, you can call them and have them mail you a CD or pick up one locally if you have an instructor in your area. You run the CD and take the quiz, after which you print out the test result and form, mail it in with $15 and they mail you a certificate.

ATV CD-ROM: Available free of charge by calling the DNR Information Center at (888) 646-6367 or (651) 296-6157, or the Safety Training Office at (800) 366-8917.

Being 18 you definitely fall into the 1987 rule... LOL.. Damn i wish i was that young again!

[shovelryder]

Exactly why I called so many different places yesterday.....As I could not believe what I was hearing......and was gassing my wifes van last night, asked a county deputy in the parking lot.......He said the same thing. My brothers buddy is the DNR that patrols Spider Lake off road area......He called him last night.......same thing. This all bothers me........BUT.......PER THE MANUAL.........Theres nothing muddy about ATVs 25 yrs and older are exempt from reg..........Now....I love my old ATCs......and I love that it says no reg required.........And I know I can reg if I want.....But dammit.......Im just not giving them my money if theres no need to. Im going to the sherrifs dept, getting VINs verified clean in writing, also the registration exempt statement, and having it all notarized.........I see yer point where it says all atvs must be registered.....But I also read VERY close to that about the 25 and older exempt.......and the 2 hrs I spent on the phone yesterday. I could understand office workers giving me bad info, but three of the people talked to yesterday were field enforcement........Im gonna have to go on principle now.....Actually kinda hope they hassle me.

[shovelryder]

And now look at this......This is from the monticello motor vehicle dept....

ATV Collector:

•ATV must be 25 years old or older.
•An ATV that is 25 years old or older does not require registration and can be operated where ATV's are allowed.
•A customer can choose to get the ATV collector for $14.50 but they are not required to do so.
•If ATV collector registration is purchased then the customer must display the collector registration number and "9999" expiration decal on a plate that goes on the back of the ATV.

[shovelryder]

Heres the link.....even cooler is the proof of ownership!!!! A DNR Bill of Sale! I never seen or heard of one of these before.......

http://www.ci.monticello.mn.us/index...7C601D53802%7D

[shovelryder]

And heres the statute DNR field enforcement sent me.......nothing at all vague about it.First paragraph says all must register unless exempt........exemptions list shows the 25yr or older.........Im gonna challenge them every chance I get......cause I can....LOL!

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=84.922

[CodyRosa]

a lot of cool info shovelryder. I might call some people up here just to see what they say. I still might get it registered.

[shovelryder]

Lol!!!! Kinda makes ya wonder bout other laws..... Or moving!

[kb0nly]

Just goes to show you HAVE to check your local regs. Down here its way different. But then we are one of the few that have a city atv use permit as well, however the way they wrote it up your required to have it registered to get the permit, so its a catch, if you want a permit you have to register it anyway! LOL

I will have to find the county regs down here. Here is our city regs..

6.82.2. "All-Terrain Vehicle (ATV)"-
A motorized flotation-tired vehicle of not less than three low-pressure tires, but not more than six tires, that is limited in engine displacement of less than 800 cubic centimeters and total dry weight less than 600 pounds.

6.85. Registration.
No person may operate an all-terrain vehicle (ATV) anywhere until it has first
been registered with the Department of Natural Resources (DNR)

6.86. Proof of Insurance
Operators of snowmobiles and all-terrain vehicles shall carry
liability insurance coverage pursuant to Minnesota Statutes 65.B.48, Subdivision 5.

They don't even have the new ATV permit in the regs yet for the city ordinances, it all got rewritten after the approval but didnt get written in the annual copy yet. It just basically reads that you have to have it registered and insured and provide proof of both to apply for the city permit.