lifan 200cc

[harryredtrike]

well i pulled the trigger today and bought a lifan 200cc for my 185s.should be here in a week or so.keep you posted with pics when i start

[AutoXer]

Sweeeeeeet!!! you will have the baddest 185s around. Keep us posted on how it works and if you are going to use the electric start or the kick conversion

[harryredtrike]

will do, probably use the electric start,plenty of room for a battery.

[2hundredx]

just installed a lifan 250 on my 200x today. bolted right in. easy conversion. me and my buddy (redneck wheeler on the boards) put it in and we put all of the wiring in the air box and put a home made k&n filter on the carb. we intend to put the battery for the electric start in the air box also

[harryredtrike]

well put the lifan 200cc in my 185s this weekend.hit a couple bumps but all is good.i am going to come back with pics all the way through with info.several people have done this but with lack of info and barely any pics.tried to search for pertinet info on the 200cc lifan here with no luck.so did all the research myself,and came through for myself.when i post the next post it will contain all the info with pics.come back later to see.if this is a project you are about to do,check and see the follow up.

[harryredtrike]

ok here we go.i will post everything i did to put a 200cc liffan into a honda 185s.this was a great project,and glad i did it.first i removed a very tired 185s motor.next i purchased a 200cc liffan off e bay.cost a little over 400.00 to my door.327.00 plus ship.started redo on Saturday and wrapped up on Sunday.motor install pretty easy,just had to notch frame crossmember a 1/2 inch,and in she went.next the carb boot would not work so i used the 185s boot,perfect.wired up color for color for the most part.if not using battery or electric start just use the 5 wire harness.dont need anything off the 6 wire harness.i tucked away for future use.motor has two wiring harnesses.after that i noticed a clutch problem,[not engaging].had to take side cover off and see.guess it was last motor of the shift at the factory because the clutch actuator was not touching the lifter rod in the clutch,easy fix.hooked up everything but the chain.waiting for new front sprocket.motor come with 420 chain sprocket and i have brand new 520 chain and rear,so i was not changing those.found a company that sells liffan sprockets that have 520chain stuff.company is hooper imports,here are some pics of the rebuild.

[leevarnado]

looks real good man,nice work.

[rdlsz24]

Looks pretty good. Is that a manual clutch engine?

Rob

[harryredtrike]

Looks pretty good. Is that a manual clutch engine?

Rob

yes it is a five speed manual

[userj8670]

How do these engines sound in comparison to the stock ones? I dont know about them but i have heard they are much faster, so i would think they sounds 'ballsier'???

Jim

[greenhuman]

The pushrod engines like this one are sluggish. The overhead cam ones go well.

[harryredtrike]

dont know about that.she wheely's in first three gears,dont know what you heard but,wrong.

[harryredtrike]

when i put motor in used the kiehn carb i had on the 185s.works great no rejet needed.plug has nice carmel appearence.also have to find a 12volt rectifier for the accessory circuit,i.e. lights and tail light.the pink wire is 12-30 volts ac.from an idle to full rev.

[greenhuman]

Well, you would love the OHC version. They wheelie in all five gears. They are much faster than the old school push rod engines.

[leevarnado]

greenhuman are you talking about the original 200x engine??

[greenhuman]

Not the 200X.
You can get Chinese OHC engines over here that are a basic copy of the Honda CRF230 engine. Different brands have different bore/stroke combinations. Some have 62.5mm stroke and 63.5 mm bore and the larger cc version has a 65mm stroke and 67mm bore. Roller cams, multi-plate cam chains and heavy duty clutch are standard equipment

[harryredtrike]

when i put motor in used the kiehn carb i had on the 185s.works great no rejet needed.plug has nice carmel appearence.also have to find a 12volt rectifier for the accessory circuit,i.e. lights and tail light.the pink wire is 12-30 volts ac.from an idle to full rev.

bought a rectifier from dennis kirk for 14.00 bucks.than everything will be cool with the lights.the pink wire from the motor makes 15 to 30 volts ac.

[harryredtrike]

well f'd around and roasted the stator.i ordered a new one this morning off fleebay.dont use the electrical without a rectifier.just a warning to future lifan users.

[The Goat]

harry also check out rabbit scooters...also a crf230 sprocket fits on there...I think that's what I used. If you check my old lifan thread it's around.

[UlsterATCFan]

Nice work Harry, thats added another good few years to the life of the 185

[harryredtrike]

well roasted another stator.ordered a new one and a voltage regulator from dennis kirk and put in.fired it up this morning,and the moose regulator must have been broke.package was open and a greasey finger print on the regulator.put it on anyway and bang,stator is cooked.here we go again.

[The Goat]

you have something miswired....

go to www.hooperimports.com and checkout their simplest wiring diagram...start from there.

[harryredtrike]

you have something miswired....

go to www.hooperimports.com and checkout their simplest wiring diagram...start from there.

hey goat had a hot to ground in the tail light wiring.before it roasted i was getting a shock through the frame.found it and fixed it,just need a new stator now.

[The Goat]

check all of your wiring again, no sense in continuing to buy new stators. lol

[Dirtcrasher]

I agree with Goat, the stator shouldn't cook, thats the part that generates the juice and not something that uses it. Thats my thought anyhow.....

I think you may just have something wired wrong.

Send SAUL a PM, he's much better with helping people than a jerk like me :) Well, I'm told that 20% of the time I'm AOK :D

[harryredtrike]

I agree with Goat, the stator shouldn't cook, thats the part that generates the juice and not something that uses it. Thats my thought anyhow.....

I think you may just have something wired wrong.

Send SAUL a PM, he's much better with helping people than a jerk like me :) Well, I'm told that 20% of the time I'm AOK :D

////////////ha ha ha will do DC,i think i have it now though.////////////////////

[The Goat]

lol...very nice DC

I had the same problem with my wiring diagram though when I tried to do it as the manual said to do it... you can't. Ya gotta go to hooper imports, look up their simple diagram, and go from there. Ignore the wire colors and rather focus on their function. I also suggest using a heavier gauge wire than their wiring harness....

The only issues I had with the harness were the parts I didn't make.

[harryredtrike]

adding some pics of the clutch connection because im getting requests i used a (85) 200x cable,worked perfectly

[jb2wheels]

I'll confirm - nothing sluggish about the OHV engine. I put one in my 84 X. It smokes my stocker.

Thanks, HarryRedTrike, for the inspiration and information!

[f22parts]

He is talking about this one: http://www.tboltusa.com/store/lifan-200cc-ohc-p-228.html

[adam38654]

This water cooled one looks OHV also. They are pretty cheap but I don't know what style honda motor they replace.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/200cc-ATV-Quad-Go-Kart-Engine-Motor-Water-cooled-Lifan-/150445845999?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2307456def

[1984 honda 200s]

...i couldnt see that bolting into a 200s or 185s,, without lots of mods..