what does this look like - Turning to a resto diary

[Shftatsix]

Ok so some lady is selling this and she is clueless as to what it actually is, ive called her and she says that it has a "brand new 250 engine" she could be wrong about the size, wondering if anyone could give me a positive ID for this bike, if its a 200x im gonna buy it.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/rvs/1133977520.html

[Erics350x]

Its not a X, it a 2-stroke, R maybe?

[hondahaulic]

looks kinda like a bike conversion from the looks of the seat, and maybe 2 front downtubes on the frame?

[SYKO]

first gen R

[ants84olds]

Looks like a 250r to me.

[Shftatsix]

hmm, well darn probably not gonna get it. Looked on ebay and the parts are too few and far between for the first gen R

[Nick_R_23]

Its an 81 or 82 250r. Id pick it up for that price, you can still get tons of parts for them. Looks to be pretty complete except for that front axle, which is easy to come up with.

-Nick :TrikesOwn

[SYKO]

I got 2 200x front ends that could go on that, plastic is still available so....what isnt hard to come by? for that price its worth it especially if the motor runs.

[AutoXer]

buy it i'll take the 6-pack rack and maybee the wheels and tires and the motor should bring atleast 4 bills on e-gay

[rdlsz24]

I would buy it. Those look like nice rear rims/tires. The engine does look newer too.

Rob

[Shftatsix]

Ill give her a call again and take a look at it today. Main reason to buy another one is for my buddy, only reason I wanted a 200x is because I have a spare 200x parts bike that I was gonna help him replace parts if needed. So sorry, if I get this its not gonna get parted out :(

[Shftatsix]

So I went up there and bought it, not bad at all for $150 :w00t:

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/shftatsix/IMG00313.jpg
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/shftatsix/IMG00314.jpg
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/shftatsix/IMG00316.jpg
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/shftatsix/IMG00318.jpg

[Saul]

whatcha gunna do with it?

[AutoXer]

you sure you don't want to part it out LOL looks better in your truck than in the weeds

[300rman]

damn good buy for 150!

[Shftatsix]

well as syko halfway suggested im gonna throw my extra 200x front end on her and grab a 86 R front fender and let my buddy drive it, who knows i may like it alot and let him drive my 200x, well see haha.

Oh awsome story, i was at the girls house with $170 in hand, i asked her how much was it again and when she said 170 her boyfriend laughed and said that it isnt worth that much and would only take $150... Score right? muahahaha

[Shftatsix]

OK so im gonna tear into this badboy sometime this weekend. Any suggestions on what mix rate goes well with this model/engine? 32:1, 50:1, 20:1? (dont have alot of experience with the 2-strokers)

[Nick_R_23]

I usually run anywhere from 25:1 to 32:1, thats always a safe mix.

-Nick :TrikesOwn

[Saul]

I run 40:1 in my 300R with Amsoil Interceptor oil.

[AutoXer]

50:1 synthetic 32:1 conventional is what i allways ran 40:1 should be safe Use good 2-stroke mix oil. No the cheap walmart outboard oil isn't good enough

[Shftatsix]

ok so anywhere from 25;1 to 40;1 with the avg of 32:1, ill stick with 32:1. Is Amsoil Interceptor the best bet for me or is the honda stuff better?

[aaron7]

That seat looks like it's off a 1970's CB360 or something haha

[Saul]

ok so anywhere from 25;1 to 40;1 with the avg of 32:1, ill stick with 32:1. Is Amsoil Interceptor the best bet for me or is the honda stuff better?

I think 40:1 is your best bet and yes, use Amsoil Interceptor. I've tried about 5 different brands (isn't much I know) and outta those 5 Interceptor is the best! Burns clean and the trike feels stronger.

[Shftatsix]

Thanks for the input saul, its great to get info from experienced riders such as yourself.

Yea aaron that seat is off of one of the ladies dirtbikes, not sure what year or model on that badboy haha.

Since there is no tag on the downtube as to what year it was, I ran the VIN # tb0600bc002522 decodes into 1981 250R. Im actually pretty excited to work mess around with it this weekend. :Bounce

[Shftatsix]

:postwhore double post woops :postwhore

[aaron7]

Yah rear drum brake = 1981.

[Brad200X]

'81 250R with an '82 motor. BTW isn't that the axle in that second pic? (behind the pipe)

Oh yeah parts are easy to come by if you're patient. The hardest thing to find for your bike will be the correct seat, rather one that's doesn't have a rotted pan.

[Shftatsix]

Condition i got it in.
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/shftatsix/IMG00320.jpg
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/shftatsix/IMG00322.jpg

200x front end put on
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/shftatsix/IMG00328.jpg
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/shftatsix/IMG00330.jpg

uhhh kinda looks retarded with the headlight, I'll see if if i can get a 200x headlight in a week or two.
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/shftatsix/IMG00332.jpg

Mock up with the tank and rear fenders
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/shftatsix/IMG00335.jpg



Question, will the 200x rear shock swap out with the 250r? The one I got wont hold any pressure.

[Saul]

Hats off for attempting to rescue the fooler.

Are those 10 inch razrs?

[outtaline]

Turn the fender around goober and it won't look so bad thats why its almost hitting the exhaust then try the headlight:postwhore

[Shftatsix]

The fender is on the correct way, it just looks silly because its the 200x fender, it will be replaced when i get a 2nd gen 250r front fender. The headlight looks silly because its using the 200x mount.

Not sure if they are 10 inch razrs ill check in the morning.

Anyone know anything about the shock?

[Twilight]

Wanna go riding anytime?

Or got a front tire and rim for a big red? lol

[Shftatsix]

I would love to go riding any weekend, buuuut I dont have a way to transport my bike :cry: I really need a truck of my own haha. Every time I've gone out I've been stacked three deep in my buds truck, borrowed my old roomates truck to grab the 250r. So I'm kinda able to go riding at their convenience haha.

Right now I have a wrangler with no tow hitch and I can ALMOST fit my 200x in the back with the top off... I need to trade it in for a Tacoma or something...

Sorry no BR wheel either :p

[Twilight]

no prob, im close to bellevue if needed we can load onto my trailer or truck.

[Shftatsix]

Sweet! So lets go riding next weekend. Hows the shoulder?

[J.J.]

looks like a 200 es maybe 200 x

[J.J.]

you know any one can help me fix my 125m,its burning oil bad.

[factoryX]

wow, I like the R a lot, I think with that setup this thing will be bad arse on the trails. has anyone ever tried putting 85-86 250r forks on a fooler? I mean I have seen water cooler swinger and forks on a 200x, why not the fork on the air fooler?

J.J did you not read the whole thread? Also the the main page of trikesylvania there is a new thread button that works great, also there is a search button. your bike 20 something years old so there is bound to be somebody that has had your problem on this website.

[harryredtrike]

you have your work cut out for you.but will be nice when done:w00t:

[Brad200X]

wow, I like the R a lot, I think with that setup this thing will be bad arse on the trails. has anyone ever tried putting 85-86 250r forks on a fooler? I mean I have seen water cooler swinger and forks on a 200x, why not the fork on the air fooler?

J.J did you not read the whole thread? Also the the main page of trikesylvania there is a new thread button that works great, also there is a search button. your bike 20 something years old so there is bound to be somebody that has had your problem on this website.

I have seen a 2nd gen airfooler with an '85R front end. It belongs to 3wheelerlouie on Airfoolers.com.

[factoryX]

sweet, why stop at the 200x front forks but instead use the 85-86 250r forks..lol

[Shftatsix]

Haha well it was kinda what was available to me, I already had a 200x parts bike i picked up for $100. Thats why I would like to know if the rear shock is swapable with the 200x.

Saul: those RAZRs are 20x11.00-10

Also can anyone tell me if this is the factory carb? I have a feeling its not.
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r380/shftatsix/IMG00325.jpg

[Brad200X]

sweet, why stop at the 200x front forks but instead use the 85-86 250r forks..lol

Well, the 200X front end wouldn't be an upgrade on an 83-84 250R, as they are essentially the same, other than the headlight and maybe the fender. The '85 front end I think would work on 1st gen Rs, but it would require the usual steering stop mod, and I dunno how much you'd have to hike up the forks in the trees to get it to ride right, as the 1st gen front travel is 7" and 3rd gen is 10," or something like that.

[Brad200X]

Haha well it was kinda what was available to me, I already had a 200x parts bike i picked up for $100. Thats why I would like to know if the rear shock is swapable with the 200x.

Saul: those RAZRs are 20x11.00-10

Also can anyone tell me if this is the factory carb? I have a feeling its not.


Its not an 81-82 carb. Doesn't look like a 2nd gen either. Kinda looks like the carb on my DT400.

[factoryX]

lol still sucks as a carb, put a stock 86 carb on it and did this come with an airbox?

[Shftatsix]

lol still sucks as a carb, put a stock 86 carb on it and did this come with an airbox?

No airbox :(
K ill grab an 86 carb after my next paycheck

Edit: ebay only has '85 carbs, was there a major change from 85-86?

[Saul]

sweet, why stop at the 200x front forks but instead use the 85-86 250r forks..lol

I don't think they are a direct fit.

[Saul]

The stock carb was a 27MM PE - that just might be stock. Have you measured it?

[factoryX]

http://3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=65278&highlight=86+carb+81+250r
85 was a round slide, 86 was a flat slide.


also, do you have 200x seat? my dad figured out how to put a 200x seat on a 81-82 250r, and it looks good to. I'll post a pic.

[Shftatsix]

http://3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=65278&highlight=86+carb+81+250r
85 was a round slide, 86 was a flat slide.


also,you have 200x seat? my dad figured out how to put a 200x seat on a 81 250r, and it looks good to. I'll post a pic.

Oh wow that looks really sharp, your dad did an awsome job. Yes I do have a 200x seat, any pointers on how to mod it to fit?

I'll keep my eyes peeled for an 86 carb then :cool:

Saul no I havent measured it yet. Is it ID or OD that is supposed to be 27mm?

[factoryX]

airbox
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-1981-ATC-250R-ATC250R-Airbox-Air-Box-Lid-Intake_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q 3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c29 3Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZi tem110382091000QQitemZ110382091000QQptZMotorsQ5fAT VQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

I don't know if this will work but here is a pwk 36mm carb.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Kawasaki-KX-125-1990-1991-36mm-Keihen-Carb-Carburettor_W0QQitemZ160320144026QQcmdZViewItemQQp tZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item160320144026&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177

Also, what are you doing with this bike? It will run way better with that carb, but idk about the airbox fitting on to the carb it self. Have you tried to get it running?

[Shftatsix]

No i havent tried getting it running, the only time i cycled the engine was at the ladies place to see if it was seized or not, i found a carb locally. He says its a slide carb from a 250r, this is what i need right?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcy/1140770408.html

[Brad200X]

The stock carb was a 27MM PE - that just might be stock. Have you measured it?

That isn't stock. Mine doesn't have a breather line on the choke side. Either way, its irrelevant now... he's upgrading anyways.

[factoryX]

thats a great carb. I would try to get it running though. clean the carb and put some 32:1-40:1 gas in there and a new spark plug.

[Shftatsix]

Unfortunatly I need a new wiring harness, unless the 200x will work...

[Saul]

How about you part it out and sell me the rear tires and wheels?! :)

[Shftatsix]

How about you part it out and sell me the rear tires and wheels?! :)

haha I dont think you want these tires, they are all dry rotted and theres a big flat spot on the RHS one, I'll take a pic to show what I mean before work tomarrow.

But anyways, will the 200x wiring harness work for the 250r? or does it change drasticly from 2-stroke to 4-stroke?

[Macs]

fab a wiring harness. it is very easy. Pull the schematic off of a manual.

[Saul]

haha I dont think you want these tires, they are all dry rotted and theres a big flat spot on the RHS one, I'll take a pic to show what I mean before work tomarrow.

Hehe, it was the 10 inch wheels I was after - the Razr's woulda just become a youtube smoke show video. :naughty:


But anyways, will the 200x wiring harness work for the 250r? or does it change drasticly from 2-stroke to 4-stroke?

You could easily make one or grab one off ebay (usually cheap harness on there) The CDI and coil was all there right?

[Shftatsix]

Yep, both CDI box and coil were there. Donno if they are in working condition but well see. After I get the harness (either make or buy) and that carb i listed from CL ill see if she fires up :)

This weekend will probably be the weekend she starts

[factoryX]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/81-82-HONDA-ATC-250R-250-R-WIRE-HARNESS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66 Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c2 93Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZ item120411788479QQitemZ120411788479QQptZMotorsQ5fA TVQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

win this and you will be set

[Shftatsix]

ok so i bought the 34mm Keihin PJ flat slide carb, I plan to run an open airfilter with an outerwear on it, totally stock engine and the FMF exhaust, what jets should i be using for it?

[factoryX]

I would get it running on the carb it has first, then move from there.