PWR radiators....

[250Rfanatic85]

I am sure some people on here know about the PWR radiators for the 85-86 250r's.....well they are for sell on ebay for the ones who dont know. I talked to the guy selling selling them and he said they did a special run of them for the trikes and are probably gonna discontinue them (due to the lack of demand...i assume). I wish alot of you R owners would get a pair to help keep that from happening. I am purchasing some when i get paid again. Im sure some guys(like me) would love to get a pair for our big bore motors and looks as well as a "cooler running" small bore trikes.....I will even add a picture. Thanks fellow trikers

[250Rfanatic85]

Im not sure if this is the actual 250r radiators in the pic but its the one on display in the auction.....think how some would look on your trikes....$450 and free shipping....

[88 Turbo Coupe]

I could never understand why those small radiators cost so much. (including the TRX). An aluminium, performance car radiator which is 10 times larger sells for less. I just don't get it? Can someone explain this to me? I think they are way overpriced and they are screwing people.

[200x Basket]

rip off!!!

way to much $$$$ for something you do not need. i run a cr500 on stock radiators and do not overheat.

[honda250sx]

Anything in short run production cost money. I have spent enough time researching oversized rads for the tri-z long enough. Do some homework you will find out.

Do you have a tig welder?
Can you weld aluminum?
Do you have access to rad core and other extruded aluminum?
Can you design a product?
Do you have software to do so?

All this stuff cost money and time.

I hope PWR doesnt disc. those. thats a shame. Ask CHRISD how much he loves his with his BigBore R ice racer.

[bigpimpin]

factory 250r radiators are aluminum

[honda250sx]

I am pretty sure there were no doubts here that they were aluminum. Maybe bronze or 24 carat gold. Not sure.

[Dirtcrasher]

They make hundreds or thousands of automotive radiators in a production run and it keeps costs down.

Just ask me...... It's not easy to make something people seem to want, yet keep it inexpensive and still make a few bucks :D

Those radiators are a work of art, not cheap enough for 3WW members though :lol:

[SYKO]

rip off!!!

way to much $$$$ for something you do not need. i run a cr500 on stock radiators and do not overheat.



THATS REAL TALK! if you got a 500 on stock 250R rads and it has no problem.... dont need them!


also thats what I wanted to know my 500 is nearing completion and I was continplating buying those.








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[Dammit!]

I'd get a set for the bling factor alone if I could afford them.

[honda250sx]

They make hundreds or thousands of automotive radiators in a production run and it keeps costs down.

Just ask me...... It's not easy to make something people seem to want, yet keep it inexpensive and still make a few bucks :D

Those radiators are a work of art, not cheap enough for 3WW members though :lol:

Exactly Steve.

Everyone wants. No one wants to pay. The only way you truly know is if you invest in the tooling to do so. Just like you did with the guards. You get lots of interest. Order steel, powdercoat, etc. Make a few that look phenomenal INQUIRE "HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY", and put up a price and then everyone says..... I cant do that.

[200x Basket]

I'd get a set for the bling factor alone if I could afford them.


for that kind of $$$ you could chrome plate the bike :crazy:

i would rather get a PV topend or something to go faster with the $$$.

the fact is that the 250r does not NEED the radiators. if they were needed then they would sell. simply said they produced a product that was not needed and cost too much $$$. how smart is that??????

[88 Turbo Coupe]

Instead of using antifreeze use Engine Ice.

[88 Turbo Coupe]

Anything in short run production cost money. I have spent enough time researching oversized rads for the tri-z long enough. Do some homework you will find out.

Do you have a tig welder?
Can you weld aluminum?
Do you have access to rad core and other extruded aluminum?
Can you design a product?
Do you have software to do so?

All this stuff cost money and time.

I hope PWR doesnt disc. those. thats a shame. Ask CHRISD how much he loves his with his BigBore R ice racer.

Over sized TRX rads have been around for a LOOONG time and there still like 400 Bucks. I think it's safe to say no short run there. I've been watching TRX rads for a looong time and the price has not come down only has gone up.

[The Goat]

Exactly Steve.

Everyone wants. No one wants to pay. The only way you truly know is if you invest in the tooling to do so. Just like you did with the guards. You get lots of interest. Order steel, powdercoat, etc. Make a few that look phenomenal INQUIRE "HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY", and put up a price and then everyone says..... I cant do that.


This is what I'm talking about...occasionally you have to spend money.

In this situation, I'd imagine they'd run significantly cooler than stock...but then again, so would the stock rads with engine ice and an inline cooler in each.

are stock 250r rads discontinued? if so...JUMP ON IT PEOPLE

or just upgrade to new 450 dirtbike rads...

[BC250R]

PWR is an Aussie company. The radiators you speak of are made here and shipped to you. I organized a group buy of 10 because that was the quantity discount in their pricelist. The price listed here is about half as much again as it is in the USA. Upon ordering they decided to tell me the pricelist was wrong and that it would be double because there is 2 radiators. So that is 3x your price now. So i looked into buying from jlatvproducts in the US and found they could smash the original dealer quantity price i could get here.

HOW??? they would be made here, sold to a USA importer, freighted to the USA, sold to a dealer, then sold to me and freighted back again??????

Only explanation i got from PWR when i asked them this..........Oh well, that's just how it is. So i have been on a PWR product bouycott ever since, please join the cause. These guys are thieves.

[3Razors]

The price on these radiators isn't too outrageous. I dont know if you can still buy OEM replacment radiators from Honda anymore, but I do know that when they were new they were more than $450. But anyway other than looks you would gain little if anything from them. Honda puts tremendous R&D in the original design and are well engineered. A liquid 250R has never had an overheating problem whether stock or extremely modified bike with the oem radiators. Honda got it right the first time!

[NINJA]

The price on these radiators isn't too outrageous. I dont know if you can still buy OEM replacment radiators from Honda anymore, but I do know that when they were new they were more than $450. But anyway other than looks you would gain little if anything from them. Honda puts tremendous R&D in the original design and are well engineered. A liquid 250R has never had an overheating problem whether stock or extremely modified bike with the oem radiators. Honda got it right the first time!

Exactly! Honda also got it right the first time when they invented the ATC.

[JohnR.]

I flog my 330R like an old mule and it has NEVER, EVER overheated or even boiled over at all. The reason that these don't sell is that paying $450 to upgrade a part that doesn't need upgrading doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I've seen Chris' set on his trike and they are very nice but I can think of a dozen things on my 330 that money would be better spent on.

John

[Jason Hall]

Here's what I just got for my 450. I thought this was a kick ass deal. They're alot bigger, and cheaper than the stock crf450 radiator's!!! I bet with a little engineering these could be made to fit an 85-86 R.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/Jasons450r/ChampionRadiators.jpg

[JohnR.]

I would bet they could. They look damn close to R ones in that pic. But the bottom line is, if the stock R radiators are sufficient for 330's and 500's then other than the bling factor there isn't any reason to go through the work of fitting them.

John

[Dirtcrasher]

If the 250R stockers are keeping you guys cool, and Kasey in Arizona (or whatever sweltering hot state he lives in) then there is no reason to upgrade.

For that matter, I have seen COUNTLESS OEM radiators in mint condition go for about 25$ on EBAY. Apparently the stockers are tough and mounted in a way that they handle most crashes just fine.....

What application are those for Jason? Aftermarket for a 450?? The side plates appear to be nearly 3MM or an 1/8th inch!

[edog]

I think they are nice!!!! I will be getting these next winter. To many other toys on my plate.


I just want them cause they look cool!!!!!!!!lol


The ones on my bike are weeping in one spot ever so lightly. I think it's time for those PWR's.

[Jason Hall]

The one's In the pic are for a 02-04 crf450. The 05 & up 450 rads are taller and thinner, so they might fit even better.

Mine were 215.00 shipped. I thought that was a pretty good deal!!!

[88 Turbo Coupe]

I think they are nice!!!! I will be getting these next winter. To many other toys on my plate.


I just want them cause they look cool!!!!!!!!lol


The ones on my bike are weeping in one spot ever so lightly. I think it's time for those PWR's.

I just painted my rads silver aluminium and they look just like the PWK's. :Bounce

[JohnR.]

$215 is totally reasonable in my opinion. $450 is outrageous.

[BC250R]

Here's what I just got for my 450. I thought this was a kick ass deal. They're alot bigger, and cheaper than the stock crf450 radiator's!!! I bet with a little engineering these could be made to fit an 85-86 R.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/Jasons450r/ChampionRadiators.jpg


What brand are these and where are they available from Jason.

Its good to here that so many people talk highly of the standard rads, but my bike overheats almost every time i ride it. I have replaced everything in the motor several times, changed heads (now on my second coolhead), Jugs,compression, timing, jetting, hoses and waterpumps. Definitly no blockages and good flow but it still gets hot everytime. Any suggestions?

[bigpimpin]

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[Jason Hall]

I bought them on Ebay, the brand name Is Champion. The guy will work with you on price. He knocked off 15.00 for shipping. I sent him a message saying I would buy both rads, If he would ship them for 15.00. He said pay for both rads & shipping & I will refund the second shipping charge. He did that the day I payed for them.

[Dammit!]

Its good to here that so many people talk highly of the standard rads, but my bike overheats almost every time i ride it. I have replaced everything in the motor several times, changed heads (now on my second coolhead), Jugs,compression, timing, jetting, hoses and waterpumps. Definitly no blockages and good flow but it still gets hot everytime. Any suggestions?

Is your cool head the o-ringed type? There's one theory out there that the cool heads and bigbore kits that use them run hot because the coolant is flowing too fast. The OEM headgasket has smaller ports (for lack of a better term) than the actual head and cylinder and acts as a thermostat in that it slows the flow down and keeps the coolant in the rads longer. An o-ringed setup is completely free flowing so it's just rushing through the rads so fast it doesn't have time to cool.

I've never owned one of those setups but if you look at it, it makes sense.

Also, I'm assuming you're running engine ice? If you're not, you should.

[3wheelrider]

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hey bigpimpin, is that the r youre buildin'? i see someone has cash to blow in these times! i dont imagine this is a goin to be a rider...too nice. my 85r is under going resto. (wont be as nice as that one). do you have something to ride right now? -is medley near hialeah? if so were close and should hook up and ride. all i have is my 185s right now. but its a champ.

[BC250R]

Is your cool head the o-ringed type? There's one theory out there that the cool heads and bigbore kits that use them run hot because the coolant is flowing too fast. The OEM headgasket has smaller ports (for lack of a better term) than the actual head and cylinder and acts as a thermostat in that it slows the flow down and keeps the coolant in the rads longer. An o-ringed setup is completely free flowing so it's just rushing through the rads so fast it doesn't have time to cool.

I've never owned one of those setups but if you look at it, it makes sense.

Also, I'm assuming you're running engine ice? If you're not, you should.

I oringed my first coolhead because it was getting too expensive replacing headgaskets everytime i cooked it. This raised the compression too much so i bought another coolhead with 21cc dome and ran the headgskets again. Found aftermarket headgaskets didnot hang in as good as oem. I fit them with the larger ports at the front(exhaust) and the smaller round on the intake, is this correct? Thats how it looked in the manual. Not sure what you are refering to as engine ice, i do run motorcycle specific anti freeze, anti boil, corrosion inhibbiter coolant.
Thanks for the advice, Brett.

(P.S. sorry for hijacking post, it just seemed relevant)

[bigpimpin]

hey bigpimpin, is that the r youre buildin'? i see someone has cash to blow in these times! i dont imagine this is a goin to be a rider...too nice. my 85r is under going resto. (wont be as nice as that one). do you have something to ride right now? -is medley near hialeah? if so were close and should hook up and ride. all i have is my 185s right now. but its a champ.

that is not mine it is a board members (gravelman). I am building a '86 which is not far from being done. medley is down the street

[3wheelrider]

that is not mine it is a board members (gravelman). I am building a '86 which is not far from being done. medley is down the street

yeah, wasnt sure it was the same medley,fl. yeah close by! man ,--:drool: that r is sweeeeet.

[Dammit!]

I oringed my first coolhead because it was getting too expensive replacing headgaskets everytime i cooked it. This raised the compression too much so i bought another coolhead with 21cc dome and ran the headgskets again. Found aftermarket headgaskets didnot hang in as good as oem. I fit them with the larger ports at the front(exhaust) and the smaller round on the intake, is this correct? Thats how it looked in the manual. Not sure what you are refering to as engine ice, i do run motorcycle specific anti freeze, anti boil, corrosion inhibbiter coolant.
Thanks for the advice, Brett.

(P.S. sorry for hijacking post, it just seemed relevant)

Hard to explain without having my hands on it. The smaller holes in the oem gasket simply slow the flow of coolant. Slower flowing coolant reduces the operating temp by keeping the coolant in the rads longer. If you're using an oem gasket than this most likely isn't your problem.

Engine Ice can reduce your operating temperature quite a bit. There's several different brands but this one is the most recognizable and easy to use since it comes premixed. It's basically the same thing as a product called Cools Like Ice Water. Bryan Raffa here on the forums did a side by side test of the stuff and was getting a drop in temp around 27 degrees if I remember right. It really does work.

http://www.engineice.cc/

[BC250R]

The one's In the pic are for a 02-04 crf450. The 05 & up 450 rads are taller and thinner, so they might fit even better.

Found em on ebay. the later models, if the pic is correct do not have an outlet on the top right tank(near filler cap) this would mean a whole rethink of your hoses; The model you have seems to be pretty close to ATC, so probably easier to mod mounts than pipes! 02-04 out of stock till end of March.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aluminum-Radiator-02-03-04-Honda-CRF-450-450R-LF-RT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em14Q2el1 262QQhashZitem200319764471QQitemZ200319764471QQptZ MotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories