1983 ATC 250R vs 1985 ATC 250R [Archive]

kbreese

02-26-2009, 07:47 PM

Hi guys,

I am contemplating purchasing one of the following:

1983 250r:
Rebuilt engine bored .60 over w/Wiseco piston (2 years ago -said to be ridden a >dozen times since)
Rebuilt tranny and crank (same)
Brand new Swing arm, swing arm bushings and bearings
New Axle carrier and new bearing and seals
New chain and sprockets
New blue fork boots
85-86 OEM front fender and headlight
ITP Black water tires
Dura blue axle
DG pipe
Said to start on 1-2 kicks and is very fast
The guy owned and it for 7 years and has done all the work himself. Bike said to be always garaged and only sparingly ridden. Said to be 90% restored just needs a new rear taillight and rear brake cylinder (which he said if I was serious he would do)
Price is $850

1985 250r
100% original, all stock and as far as owner knows nothing was ever rebuilt on it. He thinks he is the third or 4th owner but is not certain. Said he and the previous owner strictly maintained it and has always been garaged. Looks real nice in pictures.
Price is $1500

Haven't seen either bike in person yet, but curious What do you guys think I should do? Is there a huge difference between the 83's and 85's? I know the 85's are liquid cooled and look nicer, but are there a lot of other advantages to them? How will the 83 with those mods compare to a stock 85?

Thanks!
Kevin

daniel_250r

02-26-2009, 07:55 PM

personally i would go for the 83 it may be air cooled but its been rebuilt and is going to be less money in the end

Saul

02-26-2009, 08:11 PM

Buty the 83! Airfoolers are cooler then dime-a-dozen liquid R's!

kbreese

02-26-2009, 08:50 PM

Thanks!

Which do you think would be faster?

For the record I am 36 years old and I had an 84 ATC 250r 20 years ago. Before that I had a KX80 dirtbike and before that I had a yamaha 225DX. Sold the 250r when I left for college and haven't had a bike since. Have ridden other people's bikes in the meantime...rode my step sisters banshee and a friends Polaris 500 etc. Always wanted to get another bike. Was leaning toward a 4-stroke quad but I have always wanted to get another 250R. I think the 83 above is a really good deal, the only thing though is I always wanted an 85-86 as I think they look awesome. But at the same time I am not looking to spend a lot of money and bang for the buck is important.

nathanronan

02-26-2009, 09:04 PM

i believe the 85 would be faster just because of the extra 6th gear but im not 100% sure.

factoryX

02-26-2009, 09:25 PM

air fooler would compare to the tri-z, the liquid is faster. How ever this has a .60 over, so I would not know, the air fooler is hard to get parts for, the 85 is not....

kbreese

02-26-2009, 09:49 PM

Yeah I kinda thought the 83 would actually be faster since it's bored .60 over and has a pipe while the 85 is stock. When I say faster I don't mean top speed, I mean power and acceleration.

One thing that caught me by surprise about the 85 is the fact it hasn't been rebuilt at least by the last 2 owners, in the last 6-7 years. Don't these bikes need to be rebuilt every couple of years of course depending on how much and how hard they are ridden. I mean can it really be 24 years old and still running perfect on the same original motor, never rebuilt??

Saul

02-26-2009, 09:55 PM

Yeah I kinda thought the 83 would actually be faster since it's bored .60 over and has a pipe while the 85 is stock. When I say faster I don't mean top speed, I mean power and acceleration.

Get the Fooler! Slap a one tooth smaller front tooth on her if you want gobs of low end power, and snap your neck acceleration. Screw the liquid cooled - airfoolers are easier to work on too. One less thing to worry about.

One thing that caught me by surprise about the 85 is the fact it hasn't been rebuilt at least by the last 2 owners, in the last 6-7 years. Don't these bikes need to be rebuilt every couple of years of course depending on how much and how hard they are ridden. I mean can it really be 24 years old and still running perfect on the same original motor, never rebuilt??

Probably ready to blow up - stay away! :lol:

Seriously, you don't wanna spend much, you want 'bang for the buck' BOTH of these trikes are more then fast enough for the average rider - do the math, I personally think the airfooler is for you.

If you wanna learn more about that 83 before you buy, stop over at airfoolers.com and browse the ad's, sales brouchures and info section - hit up the forum and ask some questions. The guys over there know the aircooled machines inside out but at the same time will give you honest answers.

Whichever you choose, good luck and have fun! :beer

motoman110

02-26-2009, 10:12 PM

Tellin ya Saul you need to get your hands on a liquid R and rip her up a bit and then you will see the world completely different... lol just kiddin But both are great bikes, there honda's you cant beat that!

kbreese

02-26-2009, 10:15 PM

Saul, lol, thanks bro but it sounds like you are a bit biased? Are the liquid cooled ones more reliable?

How often do they need to be rebuilt on average? (Both the 83 and the 85)

Also, what do you think about the price of each one?

Preddy05

02-26-2009, 11:15 PM

If it were me i would buy the 85. I have had both and love the power of the 85 a lot more than my old 83. As for more reliable i would have to say the air cooled would be but that's from my experience (i almost want to compare it to a 4 stroke). Both are great bikes but the liquid will ride a lot better and parts are easier to find. as for prices had to say without seeing the bikes.. but they seem fair

250rJAMIE

02-26-2009, 11:36 PM

Go the 83,I've had a 85r and now got a 83R and I never want to go back to a watercooler,there got Much more torque and controlable power than a watercooler heaps easy to work on and very reliable. If you decide to get it, before handing the money over is to make sure it goes through all the gears smoothly as they do have gearbox problems.

Saul

02-27-2009, 12:54 AM

factoryX

02-27-2009, 01:51 AM

I have had 2 stroke bikes from the 80's that have never been rebuilt with 180 psi....

The Goat

02-27-2009, 02:20 AM

a stock air r is pounding out a WHOPPING 23 hp.... that one there is prolly in the nature of 30 or so... that liquid R with a new pipe, will put out 35+ with ease.

THe liquid has greater power, greater parts availability, and looks better than the Air R does in stock form.

it wouldn't be the first time that one of these bikes popped up running on the original piston.

Saul

02-27-2009, 11:09 AM

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THe liquid looks better than the Air R does in stock form.

Thats your opinion. :lol:

For me, I guess I look at it like from the point of view of I like classics. I prefer the 67 Z28 over, say, a 93 Z28. I liked the first gen corvettes more then the newer models.

It's NOT just about 'power' - I mean, good god, I get on my trike, I blip the throttle and it grabs for the sky like nobodys buisness. And even though I like the airfoolers, in general, it's the first gen that really hold the special place with me. Without those first gen R's we wouldnt have none of this.

kbreese

02-27-2009, 05:54 PM

Hey guys, I asked the owner of the 93 about the fuel used and he said

"I used to mix cam two w/ sunoko 94 and two stroke oil. Its really your call. I reccomend using at least 93 from the pump."

Why would I need to use a hi-test fuel? Because it's bored?

For the stock 85 would I just use regular unleaded?

The Goat

02-27-2009, 06:10 PM

93 octane for both. Some people on here have had detonation with stock bikes running 87 octane.

Unless he's decked the head or is running a thinner basegasket on that 83 I see no reason for race gas.

And Saul, I hate the way all 250rs look in stock form...just isn't my cup of tea. I'd say schmee easily has the best color scheme for an air r out there.

If you haven't seen it, it's airfooler porn

kbreese

02-27-2009, 06:32 PM

The guy with the 83 is also installing brand new chain and sprockets, as well as new front fork boots and new front wheel bearing tonight. He said it wasn't really needed but he had the parts anyhow. He is also willing to put new rear brakes on it. too. Also, the shocks have been cleaned and recharged. The bike is basically 90% restored. He said he has a couple thousand in it and is basically giving it away. He was originally asking $1350 and keeps quickly dropping the price. He said he is buying truck this Sunday and I think he needs the cash. Cosidering the engine and tranny is rebuily and all the new parts, $800 seems like a darn good deal, compared to all the other prices I am seeing around the internet (Craigslist and ebay). Let me know what you think or if you see anything wrong in the pics. The one footpeg needs a new spring. He is throwing in new footpegs too. Oh, it also has boyesen reeds and uni airfilter

Here's some pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/kbreese/250r1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/kbreese/250r2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/kbreese/250r3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/kbreese/250r4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/kbreese/250r20001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/kbreese/250r20002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/kbreese/250r20003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/kbreese/250r20004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/kbreese/250r20006.jpg

Saul

02-27-2009, 07:02 PM

You would be silly to pass that trike up. But it's your call.

*something tells me we'll be seeing you under airfoolers.com readers rides soon!*

Good luck!

Saul

02-27-2009, 07:03 PM

And Saul, I hate the way all 250rs look in stock form...just isn't my cup of tea. I'd say schmee easily has the best color scheme for an air r out there.

If you haven't seen it, it's airfooler porn

Link me up man. I wanna see!

kbreese

02-27-2009, 07:27 PM

And Saul, I hate the way all 250rs look in stock form...

Yikes! Have to STRONGLY disagree there! I think the 85-86 ATC250R's are one of the best looking ATV's ever created. I remember at the time when they came out they were like godly machines and I thought they lookes so awesome...and I still feel that way to this day. The 83-84's are decent looking but the 85-86 definitely took it to another level, largely due to those large front air fins.

With that said, to each their own ;) Also, thanks for your feedback so far, you definitely sound like you know what you are talking about...

200xtrike_rider

02-27-2009, 08:46 PM

i would go with the 83 and air cooled is faster and liquid cooled will cost more to fix

200xtrike_rider

02-27-2009, 08:48 PM

lmao sory wrong thing

Derek

02-27-2009, 10:15 PM

I would with the 83 just because I think it is a better deal and I like the shiny new parts on that table.

pmktm

02-28-2009, 02:22 AM

Well lets see. I had a 82,83,2-85s at the same time. The 85s would murder the air-heads. I still have the 85s, one all stock cept for a crome heat guard. Also have a 86R
with stock every thing cept muffler. And one each flat track kit. The 85s spent all there time on the Oregon coast from mid 85 till 90 when I changed woman. Got her a Banshee.

Get the 85 or get the 83 and part it out . Then get the 85, better susp and brakes.

The only place where I found the air heads to be better was in the snow.

You wouldn't get any of mine for $1,500.:welcome:

The Goat

02-28-2009, 02:43 AM

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=78408
the build

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=79502
the pickup

Saul

02-28-2009, 08:33 AM

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=78408
the build

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=79502
the pickup

Oh that one!! ROFL - he's a member at airfoolers under a different name. We have that trike featured.

Dammit!

02-28-2009, 09:37 AM

The 83 is missing the chain slider and you're going to have a fun time finding one.

I'd go with the water pumper any day. The better suspension and parts availability alone are worth it.

cr480r

02-28-2009, 09:46 AM

The 83 is missing the chain slider and you're going to have a fun time finding one.

I'd go with the water pumper any day. The better suspension and parts availability alone are worth it.

I too would go with a water pumper.. but mostly for the available aftermarket performance parts for them.... I do however think the airfoolers are very cool machines and would not write one off over a missing chain slider...

Saul

02-28-2009, 11:03 AM

The 83 is missing the chain slider and you're going to have a fun time finding one.

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=78556&highlight=83+84+chain+slider

Poblem solved.

I'd go with the water pumper any day. The better suspension and parts availability alone are worth it.

Bah. Parts show up on ebay all the time. What parts would be 'really' hard to find?

Dammit!

02-28-2009, 03:06 PM

Saul

02-28-2009, 04:43 PM

I meant to say aftermarket parts availability. There isn't much out there for the air coolers. Still tons of stuff available for the water pumpers.

Didn't know someone finally made a repro chain slider. Cool.

No huge aftermarket I guess - but a brand new pipe and silencer can be had from DG. Carbs are easy to get, as are reeds and such. Most all of the basic 'power adders' are out there to be bought. And all the basic things to keep the bike running good and to maintain it are easily found brand new.

Dirtcrasher

02-28-2009, 04:46 PM

I think both are super cool machines.....

BUT, we all know how much Honda strived for perfection every year and sometimes inbetween the year they would improve that model.

The 85/86 250R have tons of improvements over there earlier models and to me, thats what it's all about. Better suspension, better lines, better handling and more horsepower are just a few.....

I LOVE the simplicity of the airfoolers, but if your gonna buy a 25yo machine that can be a pain in the butt to upgrade and or get parts for, why not buy the best and latest Honda ever built.

Thats why I chose the 86/86 200X over the 85 200X. I've owned boith and at the same time and the later year was LIGHTYEARS above the 1st generation X.

Just my .02c :D

Saul

02-28-2009, 05:09 PM

Or just buy an 09 quad!

Or contact Bill @ TPC Trikes and have him build you a brand new trike.

Honestly, there are pro's and con's to whatever decision you make. Weigh your options and go with your heart and common sense. Personally, I don't think you can go wrong with either trike.

Itrike

02-28-2009, 06:47 PM

Might as well add my 2 cents. I've owned 4 air cooled and 2 pumpers. I still have a pumper. If I could only have one , and them were my choices, deff the pumper. My 85 was on its original piston till this winter. Having said that if a 83-84 came along for the right price I would add it to my fleet. But not as an only trike.

aaron7

02-28-2009, 07:29 PM

83! 83!

I prefer them just for the simplicity I guess. Or because I've never had a water-cooled one lool

kbreese

03-01-2009, 12:33 AM

update is that the 85 was sold, so I am probably going to get the 83. He dropped the price to $800 and he will be rebuilding the rear brakes for me which was the only thing left that really needed to be done to the bike. (although I'll probably want to add the chain guide too).

Personally, I'd rather have an 85-86, but this 83 is 1/2 to 1/3 the price of what the 85-86's are going for, and 90-95% of this bike has been restored/freshened. Also, its a local sale, only about 20 minutes from me.

As far as the 85-86's being faster, remember this has the bored motor, boyesen reeds + pipe, so its probably pretty close to a stock 85-86

Saul

03-01-2009, 12:45 AM

As far as the 85-86's being faster, remember this has the bored motor, boyesen reeds + pipe, so its probably pretty close to a stock 85-86

Not a chance. Airfoolers are only good for about 70 MPH - but according to people on here the Liquid Cooled R's are capable of Time Travel! :beer

"Chuck? This is your cousin, Marvin. Marvin Berry?! :lol:

kbreese

03-01-2009, 01:01 AM

By the way, I noticed the 81-84 are all listed as the same bike, like in a service manual for example, but 81-82's look a lot different to me. Those bikes look really retro...almost remind of an old ATC110 or something, lol, and the 83-84's seem a little bigger and look like they sit higher as if they have more suspension travel. Is that true? Any other differences between the two? Looks like the tank and plastics are different too?

Saul

03-01-2009, 01:03 AM

kbreese

03-01-2009, 01:13 AM

You been drinking tonight Saul?

Saul

03-01-2009, 01:27 AM

You been drinking tonight Saul?

I've had about 4 NOS Energy drinks today/evening and been wrist deep in baby poop a half dozen times with little to no sleep last week. Does that count? :w00t:

Shawn72

03-01-2009, 01:50 AM

Dammit!

03-01-2009, 09:06 AM

As far as the 85-86's being faster, remember this has the bored motor, boyesen reeds + pipe, so its probably pretty close to a stock 85-86

Those mods won't make it much faster. Actually top speed wise it won't make it any faster at all since top speed is governed by gearing, tire size and peak rpm. The difference in piston size from being bored .060 over is negligible. You won't even notice it. The reeds don't change horsepower really. The main benefit from them is better throttle response. The pipe will make the biggest difference. Get a bigger carb to go with it. That will help wake it up a bit more.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade or anything. Sounds and looks like a sweet trike actually. Just being realistic. Comparing the two is kinda pointless since they're really two different animals.

I say go snag it and have some fun. :beer

kbreese

03-01-2009, 10:47 AM

Those mods won't make it much faster. Actually top speed wise it won't make it any faster at all since top speed is governed by gearing, tire size and peak rpm. The difference in piston size from being bored .060 over is negligible. You won't even notice it. The reeds don't change horsepower really. The main benefit from them is better throttle response. The pipe will make the biggest difference. Get a bigger carb to go with it. That will help wake it up a bit more.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade or anything. Sounds and looks like a sweet trike actually. Just being realistic. Comparing the two is kinda pointless since they're really two different animals.

I say go snag it and have some fun. :beer

No, it's cool. Honest feedback is what I want and appreciate. It's hard for me to put it into perspective how fast these bikes are since it's been 20 years since I rode a 250R which was my 84. Its also funny because I only paid $600 for it back than and it was like brand new. It just sat in the basement of the guy who built my dads house and he gave me a good deal on it. Granted you have to adjust for inflation which sometimes overtakes depreciation...which is certainly the case for these bikes.

What I can tell you is at the time I remember the bike being quite fast. My one friend had a 350X, and I am pretty sure my R was a little quicker. Another friend had a 200x and it was definitely faster than that of course. Another friend had a warrior and I remember the R being quicker, but not by a huge margin or anything.

...With that said, about 2-3 years ago I went to a friends summer place up in NH where he has a whole bunch of bikes. I rode his Warrior and Polaris Scrambler. Well, it was funny because the warrior seemed like a dog. And here i remember them being fast. lol. The scrambler which I think was 500cc was definitely quick and seemed a LOT faster than the warrior. The suspension and comfort was also worlds better on the Polaris. I was stuck on the warrior though and my girlfriend got the Polaris since she couldn't drive the standard tranny of the warrior.

So after my experience with the warrior...a bike that when I was a kid seemed quite fast...and now it seemed like a dog...its making me think is this 93R going to seem kinda doggish too? I'm sure its a combination of many things...the fact that the machine was older and might not be running as good....the fact that I am so much older now and heavier now (I was 175lbs back than and I am 230 now). Also I now drive a 500hp Corvette Z06...whereas back than I had a 96 hp Celica...so I think all around my perspective of speed has changed too.

This started out as not that big of a deal of a decision but I can't seem to make up my mind. Part of me wants to just grab the 93 because its so cheap and a good deal, and its local, and you guys are saying they are so easy to work on..... and another part just really wants the 85-86 which look so awesome and will be faster and better suspended

Sigh...

Dammit!

03-01-2009, 01:00 PM

You could always pick up that 83 to enjoy while you wait for the right deal to come along on a water pumper. When you snag a water pumper you can sell the 83 and probably get most if not all of your money back out of it.

As far as comparisons, the air cooler and a 350x should be pretty close to each other top speed wise (both top out in the 60s with stock gearing whereas a water cooled R with stock gearing would top out in the low to mid 70s) but the R has better acceleration than the thumper. I've never ridden a warrior but I would think a decent running air cooled R would kill one.

The thing about water pumpers is that it doesn't take a ton of work to get 50hp to the rear wheels. Good port work, carb, filter, good pipe like a Paul Turner, CT or ESR, better flowing reed cage and the proper tuning is all it takes. When done right they're competitive with anything else out there right now.

The important thing is just to get you back on three wheels again. It won't take long after that before you have a garage full of trikes like the rest of us. :lol:

kbreese

03-01-2009, 02:34 PM

Yeah that was my thought too. I just went and looked at it and rode it briefly. Its started right up and idled fine. When I rode it though it was kinda bogging a bit before the power band would kick in. Seems almost like the carb needs to be cleaned maybe. He said it's been sitting for a while and also it was not warmed up either, so I guess maybe that has something to do with it. It seemed decently quick though, at least once the power band kicked in. But overall, I'd definitely have to say it seemed faster 20 years ago. However, it was hard for me to gauge it much as I was riding it on the street and there were a lot of cars...and of course its illegal so I was nervous about that. Plus I wasn't exactly comfortable with it yet having just jumped on it for the first time. Was pretty neat though as it has been 20 years since I sat on one. Quite nostalgic.

The seat is in pretty good shape but the rear plastics could use to be replaced as they have some cracks. the tank is ok, has many decent size chips out of the paint with mild corrosion but not too bad. Overall color is kinda faded and the 250R stickers need to be replaces but nothign major. The light worked fine. The clutch seemed fine. The shifting was ok but I was having a hard time trying to downshift, like after coming to a stop. I'd be pressing down on the shifter but it seemed like nothing was happening. Maybe I just wasn't used to it, i don't know. He said he did rebuild the tranny though, which I believe was also 2 years ago. Overall the condition of the bike was pretty good. Certainly not bad for being 26 years old.

Anyhow, I gave him a $100 deposit, he is ordering the parts for the rear brakes and will fix that and than deliver it to my house and I will give him another $700. If I wind up not liking it I can always resell it like you said.

Saul

03-01-2009, 03:42 PM

Shoulda got the liquid cooled trike! Or a new quad.

Macs

03-01-2009, 06:52 PM

It all depends on how you ride, where you ride etc.

I am an air fooler lover just like Saul. The 83-84 is a great trail machine, super dependable and can be built to hold there own. The liquids are fast. But they are higher maintenance. They have better handling but parts are getting very pricey. I have owned several of both. If i was looking to resale or race. I would get the liquid. If i was looking for me a personal ride it would be an A/C hands down. I also must add, me riding a liquid through tight trails with mud holes, ruts, stumps, kids, drunks, idiots and the inexperienced is not my cup of tea. I find the that the liquid has low tolerance for staying out of the power band. Which makes for an accident waiting to happen ( for me ). The A/C i can putt through trails all day and it still runs great. By the way, My 85 went through 2 topends in under a year ( probly the result of my riding style ). My 83 is completly original except for the tires, chain and brakes since 1983. It even has the original topend.

Bottom line: Low maintenance and mild get the A/C.
Fast as hell, higher maintenance get the liquid.

Also parts are not that hard to find for the A/C if you know who to talk to.

Again also: This is based on my experience. Others might have diffrent results. If you want to discuss further please pm me.

Saul, i have your back!!!!!

Dammit!

03-01-2009, 07:20 PM

I've used two pistons in my 86 since 1989 so your milage may vary I guess. :lol:

My 86 is actually the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned. I only do the basic maintenance you have to do on any trike.

It's true though that a lot depends on where and how you ride. I grew up riding woods/trails and my R did that just fine (for me) then I moved to Phoenix now I ride desert and dunes and it still does fine but I can definitely see an air cooler being a very fun machine in the trails. I want to eventually pick up a 1982 R though and restore it back to completely stock form (including even the terrible tires, lol). I've just always had a soft spot for the first generation. I'd prefer a 1982 over a 1981 just for the rear disk brake. I HATE drum brakes. :lol:

I'll sum this up right now. There's no such thing as a wrong 250R. ;)

Macs

03-01-2009, 07:25 PM

kbreese

03-01-2009, 07:34 PM

Shoulda got the liquid cooled trike! Or a new quad.

lol, what? You've been telling me to get the "air fooler" the whole time. You're either vbery sarcastic or smoking something illegal.

kbreese

03-01-2009, 10:26 PM

The owner just emailed me the receipt for the parts to fix the back breaks. Damn, it ads up pretty quick:

> 2 of 93600-04030-1A - SCREW, FLAT (4X30) (Honda Code 1422740) @ $2.97ea.
>
> 1 of 43530-964-006 - ROD, PUSH (NISSHIN) (Honda Code 1422732) @ $13.00ea.
>
> 1 of 46182-500-013 - CIRCLIP (Honda Code 0506139) @ $2.97ea.
>
> 1 of 46503-371-000 - PIN, BRAKE ROD (Honda Code 0407502) @ $2.97ea.
>
> 1 of 94002-08000-0S - NUT, HEX. (8MM) (Honda Code 0156075) @ $2.97ea.
>
> 1 of 45108-166-006 - SPRING, PAD (Honda Code 1046192) @ $4.70ea.
>
> 1 of 45109-961-006 - DUST SEAL (Honda Code 1085117) @ $3.52ea.
>
> 1 of 45209-961-006 - SEAL, PISTON (Honda Code 1085158) @ $3.62ea.
>
> 1 of 91357-964-006 - O-RING (31) (Honda Code 1672336) @ $2.97ea.
>
> 1 of 91358-964-006 - O-RING (P8) (Honda Code 1672344) @ $2.97ea.
>
> 1 of 45131-166-016 - BOLT, PIN (Honda Code 1046267) @ $4.80ea.
>
> 1 of 45216-166-006 - WASHER, WAVE (Honda Code 1054873) @ $2.97ea.
>
> 2 of 45115-166-006 - PIN, SLIDE (Honda Code 1411768) @ $9.87ea.
>
> 2 of 45133-166-016 - BOOT, PIN (Honda Code 1012020) @ $2.97ea.
>
> 1 of 45520-MG7-006 - DIAPHRAGM (Honda Code 1828250) @ $6.44ea.
>
>
> Subtotal: $85.52
>
> Shipping: $14.29 via UPS Ground est. Delivery: Mar 13,2009 to Mar 16,2009
>
> Sales Tax: $0.00
>
> Total Amt: $99.81
>
> Babbitts Sports Center
> 3712 Airline Rd.
> Muskegon, MI 49444
> 231-737-4542
> orderinfo@babbittsonline.com

That doesnt include break pads which were another $30.

Saul

03-01-2009, 11:12 PM

lol, what? You've been telling me to get the "air fooler" the whole time. You're either vbery sarcastic or smoking something illegal.

Of course I'm kidding. I really hope to see you over at airfoolers.com soon and hopefully you'll be a new regular member or our family over there.

Shawn72

03-02-2009, 12:18 AM

kbreese that is one sweet airfooler to pass up man!!!!

kbreese

03-02-2009, 06:00 PM

Of course I'm kidding. I really hope to see you over at airfoolers.com soon and hopefully you'll be a new regular member or our family over there.

lol, yeah I figured. Thanks bro.

kbreese

03-02-2009, 06:01 PM

kbreese that is one sweet airfooler to pass up man!!!!

Thanks man. It could use some new plastics and stickers, and I think a carb cleaning, but overall not too shabby for $800.

Speaking of cleanign the carb, is that a pretty easy procedure?

Saul

03-02-2009, 06:05 PM

Thanks man. It could use some new plastics and stickers, and I think a carb cleaning, but overall not too shabby for $800.

Speaking of cleanign the carb, is that a pretty easy procedure?

Yes, very easy. Read this:
http://airfoolers.com/performance/basictuning.html

kbreese

03-02-2009, 06:37 PM

Cool, thanks. Any idea on who has the best prices on new plastic? (rear)

Saul

03-02-2009, 07:21 PM

New? Maier is your only option for new as far as I'm aware.

SYKO

03-02-2009, 07:32 PM

man this thread is stupid, Ive had both a 83 that started life as a 300 that turned into a 250 and the whole time had my 85. When in 300 form it was a monster and I loved it, in 250 form it was a quick revin trail rig... but neither could hold a candle to my liquid 85. But that dosnt make me baised either, I love the air cooled for certain reasons, for one no water to worry about overheating in trails and thats a big difference plus you can tear them down just a bit faster then the liquids. Either way you will be happy with the air fooler, one day I will own one again and I kick my azz all the time for selling mine....

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/southgacustoms/100_2945.jpg

Saul

03-02-2009, 08:19 PM

man this thread is stupid,

Why is the thread stupid?

kbreese

03-02-2009, 08:36 PM

syko, nice 83...also, you have a big friggin chin...you should fight in the UFC maybe. But I agree with Saul, I have no idea why you said this thread was stupid??

Saul

03-03-2009, 12:35 AM

man this thread is stupid, Ive had both a 83 that started life as a 300 that turned into a 250 and the whole time had my 85. When in 300 form it was a monster and I loved it, in 250 form it was a quick revin trail rig... but neither could hold a candle to my liquid 85.

I knew while reading this something seemed 'off' nad while researchin 300R's tonight I found this from 12/11/2008...

my 300 was faster then my 85 liquid

hmmmm :wondering :confused:

The Goat

03-03-2009, 12:48 AM

I was actually thinking the same thing.

Topspeedwise which means nothing, that 300r does 75-78 mph.

And she gets there mighty fast.

Also, a stock 85 triz isn't that much faster than a stock 350x. Oh well...

Best place for plastics is eBay. Maier is your only option.

kbreese

03-03-2009, 07:44 AM

Does the 85-86 rear plastic also fit the 83-84? Can't seem to find their rear fender specifically for an 83-84.

Edit - nevermind, I found the 83-84 one. Thanks. I just wish it didn't say maier on it. The sticker in the middle looks like it can just be taken off but its also on the black parts too. Too bad you can't have it look OEM.

SYKO

03-03-2009, 10:19 AM

the thread was stupid becouse it was to baised, my 300 was fast and faster then my liquid, but not after I had the liquid tuned for racing, then it didnt stand a chance. I see saul likes to point out little stuff like that, at least you use the search button.

I llike them both for various reasons but neither enough not to chop up my 85 and shove a 500 in it... now I dont give a crap about them lol

the maire stickers come off so everything looks clean, for a rider I prefer aftermarket plastic, woulld suck to spend 600 on oem fender then roll it down a hill and break it all up!

the front fender from a 85-86 will bolt right on a 83-84 and personaly think it really makes the whole machine look way better.

and Saul.... I got an air fooler here im working on that will look like no other air fooler out there... and im not showing you pics.

The Goat

03-03-2009, 01:12 PM

Lol never poke the gorilla with a stick.

I just remembered I took the above picture... And if you look closely you can see my then girlfriend pressing her ass against the limo tint.

Saul

03-03-2009, 02:54 PM

I see saul likes to point out little stuff like that, at least you use the search button.

I didn't go looking for that actually Syko - just was doing a lot of 300r reading last night and saw that is all.

and Saul.... I got an air fooler here im working on that will look like no other air fooler out there... and im not showing you pics.

I'll hack your computer if need be!! :D :p :lol:

It's cool though, again - wasn't 'calling you out' but more confused over the two different statements.

As for the thread being biased - I think almost everyone but me was telling him to buy the liquid R - so, yeah, it was biased - for the liquid! :D

Regardless - the OP is getting a trike and :TrikesOwn so that is pretty much all that matters, right?

SYKO

03-03-2009, 04:19 PM

Lol never poke the gorilla with a stick.

I just remembered I took the above picture... And if you look closely you can see my then girlfriend pressing her ass against the limo tint.

NEVER poke me with a stick......:mad:

I just noticed the buttocks... and if I can remember that was some decent buttocks got any other pics?:twisted:

kbreese

03-03-2009, 08:50 PM

The Goat

03-03-2009, 09:17 PM

36dd-27-46

I roll like a black man when it comes to booty.

I think my old phone has 2gigs of pics on it, a ton got deleted when she had my phone for a day. I prefer my new girl though, younger, beautiful, and the most entertaining mother effer I've ever seen.

If I go to trikefest, and you're there, I will poke you with a stick, sorry, has to be done.

Sorry for the thread jacking, good luck with the fooler. They are pretty darned quick.

SYKO

03-03-2009, 10:29 PM

What are my options as far as refinishing the tank? taking it to a body shop and having it repainted? Where does one acquire honda red paint to match?

stko, thats a great animation in your signature, lmao.

I redo alot of tanks Im trying to finish up 2 members tanks this week, I have a common red color code that I use for tanks if you PM me I will send it to you. Alot of body shops will do a tank for you as well, try to get a smaller one though as the larger ones tend not to want to do anything as they are just insurance related.

3wheelerlouie

03-04-2009, 12:04 PM

i have an 82 ,83,84 and 85 ATC 250 R's and i like the simplicity of air foolers better , the water pumpers are great also but quite a bit more expensive but on the positive side parts are easier to find.. i prefer air foolers :w00t: over pumpers but that is just my personal choice, i just like how easy it is to work on them , i feel like i am working on my car every time i do replace something on my 85 (remove coolant,remove hoses,remove radiators etc.)..

kbreese

03-06-2009, 07:29 PM

Good to hear, thanks for that feedback.

Saul

03-06-2009, 07:43 PM

Good to hear, thanks for that feedback.

did you buy this yet?!

kbreese

03-25-2009, 06:45 PM

Well I give him the $100 deposit, and than he was going to order the brake parts and install. he got the parts in last week and is just waiting to find some time to do the install...he also still has to install the new front fork boots and front bearings....than he will be bringing it to my house and I'll give him the other $700. Thought it would have been done been now, but I told him no rush, so...

kbreese

03-25-2009, 07:14 PM

[QUOTE=kbreese;714309]Yeah I kinda thought the 83 would actually be faster since it's bored .60 over and has a pipe while the 85 is stock. When I say faster I don't mean top speed, I mean power and acceleration.
Not even by a long shot man. The 85 will smoke the 83 like a Camel non-filter. Many engine improvements from 83 to 85. Whoever said the 83 is compareable to a tri-z is also dreaming. The Tri-z 85-86 is alot faster than an 83R. Bored or not. All that out of the way, I love airfoolers. I would go with the 83. Very easy to maintain and fast. Unless you plan on draggin the thing. Even then, you can talk to 1UPFRONT he's an aircooler performance legend.

With the bore, weisco piston, reeds and pipe won't it be around 30hp and a 85-86 I heard made around 34hp? So I don't so why it wouldn't be somewhat close?

To be honest, I really want it to be quite fast. I like going fast. thats why I drive a 500hp Z06. Also, I am not that light...I am close to 250lbs. About how much $$ would I have to dump into it so it can keep up with Raptors, 450r's, predator's and the like...

boosted96cobra

03-25-2009, 07:31 PM

Airfoolers are awesome bikes, but they cannot touch a liquid r. Mods, liquid r's have parts available everywere. AIrfoolers don't. Suspension, looks, rideablity all go to the liquid.

Bone stock never been touched is the absolute best buy you can ever hope for.

Bored, piped = beaten, .60 over the jug is getting worn out.

I don't care what mods and looks you do that airfooler will be worth $850 as long as you own it, the liquid if kept nice stock form will be $1500 to $2500 with mods.

300' drag races on the flats mean nothing about power...NOTHING. We run the big dune, sand mountains here, steep incline, 1000 feet up, that when the power really matters. Air cooled R's can't hang because of under power and HEAT!

I had 2 aircooled r's, now I have 2 liquid r's and I will NEVER go back.

kbreese

03-25-2009, 07:45 PM

Bored, piped = beaten, .60 over the jug is getting worn out.

What do you mean? The engine won't last long just because it's bored .60? Just because he put a pipe on it and had it bored when it was rebuilt automatically means he drove it harder than he would have if it were stock?

1upfront

03-25-2009, 07:55 PM

What do you mean? The engine won't last long just because it's bored .60? Just because he put a pipe on it and had it bored when it was rebuilt automatically means he drove it harder than he would have if it were stock?

boosted96cobra is obviously an aircooled hater besides I lived in new mexico for years and rode my 84 in 100 plus degree weather and never had a problem at all nor did I have a problem smoking my buddy's banshee in long uphill sand drags.

kbreese

03-25-2009, 08:05 PM

Well with heat i'm sure the engine loses some power whereas the watercooled ones likely retain more of the power output. And I think its no mystery the 85-86's are faster. It just seems like some people are exaggerating how much faster...and at the same time the airfooler guys seem to be speaking mostly from the heart. But anyhow, how do I make this thing faster? What is recommended? A new Carb for starters?

Saul

03-25-2009, 08:13 PM

boosted96cobra is obviously an aircooled hater besides I lived in new mexico for years and rode my 84 in 100 plus degree weather and never had a problem at all nor did I have a problem smoking my buddy's banshee in long uphill sand drags.

I'll go out on a limb and say I bet your fooler would smoke boosted96cobras all might liquid too. :lol:

I can't believe I let myself reply to another one of these threads. shens

1upfront

03-25-2009, 09:00 PM

kbreese

03-25-2009, 09:44 PM

Not sure what vf3 reeds are but it has boyseen reeds and a DG silencer...."pipe" is the part of the exhaust that comes from the block to the silencer? How much do the carbs run price-wise?

1upfront

03-25-2009, 10:14 PM

Not sure what vf3 reeds are but it has boyseen reeds and a DG silencer...."pipe" is the part of the exhaust that comes from the block to the silencer? How much do the carbs run price-wise?

V force 3's are the best but boyesen are ok also that pipe would be ok, new carbs are expensive but you can usually find a keihin pj 34mm or pwk 36mm used for a much better deal. The pipe/expansion chamber goes from the cylinder to the silencer.

kbreese

03-25-2009, 10:47 PM

Well....I just bought an 86 250R....F*ck it, why not have both :)

Dammit!

03-25-2009, 11:13 PM

Well....I just bought an 86 250R....F*ck it, why not have both :)

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! :lol: :lol: :naughty: :naughty: :TrikesOwn

Edit: pics!

boosted96cobra

03-25-2009, 11:24 PM

I'll go out on a limb and say I bet your fooler would smoke boosted96cobras all might liquid too. :lol:

I can't believe I let myself reply to another one of these threads. shens

Kinda funny how your calling people out for races with someone elses bike... I hope it's warm up there were your swinging from :lol:

1upfronts bike is awesome, loved watching his vids and reading his threads, but the fact is it's his bike not yours.

But I'm up for a race anytime, I have two liquids and 2 tecates...bring it!! easter Sand Mountain Little Sahara Ut

Oh and Saul...airfoolers are damn cool bikes and I don't hate them at all, but it is plain and obvious you hate liquids, look at all your posts. If your calling people out why don't you come and race, I will have you eating sand for 1000 feet up!! and it will be green...we can do 84 vs 84 man!

Saul

03-26-2009, 12:23 AM

If your calling people out why don't you come and race, I will have you eating sand for 1000 feet up!! and it will be green...we can do 84 vs 84 man!

*yawn*

I don't own an '84 :welcome:

p.s. - I think lil ole fooler could hold it's own with a few trikes, if given the chance. :twisted:

p.p.s - I don't 'hate' ANY trike, because :TrikesOwn - I just 'prefer' the old Foolers is all.

Peace bro.

boosted96cobra

03-26-2009, 02:26 AM

You call me out like my bikes are slow and you "know" someone who has an airfooler who can beat me, so I say ok, and now your "yawning".

We all know what bike you prefer...and it is cool man. We would all take more heed into it if you actually owned a liquid and or a tecate/tri-z. To be honest I'm not ahuge fan of a liquid r, yes I have a couple and they are growing on me, but I'd still ride the tecate over an r.

This guy just wanted honest opinions and what you prefer and reality are not the same. The liquid r was designed to be a better bike plain and simple, and all those dime a dozen bikes are still around because they are so damn reliable and people still want them.

This is why we were all saying get the liquid, it bone stock never touched (better yet never f'd up) and if he paid 1500 today he could get that price anytime he wanted to sell it. Air r's are harder to sell, thus the diffrence in price he already posted.

Saul

03-26-2009, 02:39 AM

You call me out like my bikes are slow and you "know" someone who has an airfooler who can beat me, so I say ok, and now your "yawning".

C'mon - I never said your trike were slow - but let's be honest. Unless you have a rocket strapped to your trike it's gunna be awful tough to take 1up in the 300ft - that's just cold hard facts.

We all know what bike you prefer...and it is cool man. We would all take more heed into it if you actually owned a liquid and or a tecate/tri-z. To be honest I'm not ahuge fan of a liquid r, yes I have a couple and they are growing on me, but I'd still ride the tecate over an r.

I don't need anyone to take 'heed' into my preference of airfoolers. They are my hobby, my PERSONAL favorite. It doesn't have anything to do with it being 'fastest' or more 'agile' either. I'm just hooked on em.

I think the 81 and 82 foolers are the rawest and primal looking sport trikes to be found and the 83 and especially 84 are the sexiest looking R's easily - but - that is ONLY my opinion.

This guy just wanted honest opinions and what you prefer and reality are not the same. The liquid r was designed to be a better bike plain and simple, and all those dime a dozen bikes are still around because they are so damn reliable and people still want them.

I still say a built fooler will run with any trike, anywhere.

regardless - :TrikesOwn

so = :beer

boosted96cobra

03-26-2009, 03:00 AM

Dude why do you think I'm fighting here....

I could care less about 300' drags...they mean nothing. Sure is shows he can ride, and his bike has power and it geared for 300'. So what happens when the race is 800-1000' long, he has got to gear it longer, which takes more power to turn. Plus the fact your comparing a fully modded "The King of Airfoolers" vs a stock liquid. If is so simple and easy and is the blue print why is he the only one with one?

There is a liquid over on .org that was posted up today...bored and 6 mil stroked to a 491, you think that aircooled 300 is gonna take that up a steep 800'+ hill?

have a look around on duner central and planet sand, alot of 370 to 500cc bikes running 70-135+ hp, but the fastest airfooler I ever saw is 1upfront since I have been on the forums, and he is by far the king of it from what I have saw, not many even close to him.

sbjones73

03-26-2009, 03:41 AM

ya know this is somewhat why i don't come here to this site to much anymore. people get worked up over others. attitudes come out.

things can be done to airfoolers, and things can be done to liquid r's to make them fast has heck. do they compare? how much time you got and who are you talking to. that's what matters. people have opinions, who the heck is some one else to stomp on em for saying something. or speaking up. but we all ride trikes in here. air r's have there good points and liquids have there good points.

i personnaly like the air r's, why? well how many people got them, not many and it feels good to me to hang with a new trike, quad or whatever.

ok now my gripe, power. what is power ? torque or horsepower.? 0-300 ft, that is both. 10000000000000000000000000 ft that is both also. get a grip.!!!!!!!!!!

boosted96cobra

03-26-2009, 05:20 AM

Seems like your flying off the handle now. All I did is have a discussion, isn't that what the forum is for?

Maybe you need to come more often and add all your insight and constructive posts to make it a better place.

I'm sorry if I don't like misinformed posts...an air fooler is quicker than a 450, a liquid r, a banshee ect ect ect blah blah blah when there is only a few in the u.s. that can or will do that and they are far from stock.

Any true trike fan that likes all trikes will say the liquid r is far superior to an airfooler. Hell I love my 84 tecate, but in fact the liquid r is far superior to an 84-85 tecate. They handle better, have better suspension, look nicer, have more parts available and are way more reliable and when bore time comes don't need to be re nikaseled. But yes I prefer my tecate over an r anyday, but that is my opinion not realitly. If I used sauls version of fast, stock for stock I'd have to say a stock liquid r edges out the tecate. Not long ago we were at the dunes, a good friend and mod over on .org came with his wifes bone stock liquid 250r. My bike is bone stock motor wise, carb to end of the pipe, same as his. On the flats it edged me out, sure I was a little ahead till I ran outta gear then he blew by me. Then we ran the mountain, with my gearing I held 5th 2/3 of the way then down to 4th. He held 3rd 1/2 the way then hit second. I put over 1/3 of the hill on him seriously. I got to the top, turned around, shut down, hopped off and turned off the gas before he showed up. With diffrent gearing it may be closer, but I guess which is faster is a relitive term. The liquid r is a better bike and IMO the best trike produced.

factoryX

03-26-2009, 08:54 AM

lol, you people have been fighting for 7 pages and he ended up buying both, I hope you feel happy...

Saul

03-26-2009, 10:08 AM

I could care less about 300' drags...they mean nothing.

And there we go - you could care less. You, you, you. Maybe for some of us the 300ft is where it's at?! I could care less about racing up a hill of sand.

There is a liquid over on .org that was posted up today...bored and 6 mil stroked to a 491, you think that aircooled 300 is gonna take that up a steep 800'+ hill?

You think that liquid will take the 300 in the 300ft?

but the fastest airfooler I ever saw is 1upfront since I have been on the forums, and he is by far the king of it from what I have saw, not many even close to him.

And my hats off to 1upfront for continuing to push that fooler to the limits. :beer

Really though, since you keep coming back to racing over and over, I don't think you even made an effort to read my last reply. I won't re-type it as you'll probably just skip it again. I'll sum it up quick - all trikes are cool in their own way - PERSONALLY I prefer the Aircooled Honda 250R.

:welcome:

p.s. - congrats to the OP for scoring both types of trike!

Dammit!

03-26-2009, 11:42 AM

You think that liquid will take the 300 in the 300ft?

Have you seen the one he's talking about? (http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/showthread.php?t=36642)

firefirefire90

03-26-2009, 11:45 AM

Saul stop it

boosted96cobra

03-26-2009, 03:23 PM

Nah man it's cool, Saul likes his foolers, we will all admit he is a little biased and wants everyone else to like them too...HAHA

Oh and Saul, I do care about 300' drags, we do that by the campground with the slow bikes, my friends 2 350x's and 86 200x still cannot beat my 83 200x. It's all in the tires and gearing! I also still cannot get the ATC70 to hang with the Zinger.

I'm glad the poster got a chance to get both bikes and I hope he uses the airfooler to get the hang of it. If you pipe the 86 and jet it right just be ready when the power band hits, it's a whole new world!

Saul

03-26-2009, 04:05 PM

Saul stop it

Stop what exactly? Read the thread - all I've said it that for ME Foolers are my fav trike - my OPINION is that Foolers are my fav trike. Not FASTEST not BETTER and I'm not HATING on any other trike.

I've also said I all trikes are cool AND said congrats to the OP for buying bot an air r and a liquid R.

So, no, I won't stop giving my OPINION anytime soon. Jebus.

:beer

Saul

03-26-2009, 04:07 PM

Have you seen the one he's talking about? (http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/showthread.php?t=36642)

Yeah but does he have it 'set up' for the 300ft? :confused:

Does he take it to trikefest?

I'm sure 1up will be there so I guess if someone wants to take out his Fooler they will have ample chance there. :beer

Saul

03-26-2009, 04:09 PM

Nah man it's cool, Saul likes his foolers, we will all admit he is a little biased and wants everyone else to like them too...HAHA

actually - no. I'm glad not everyone likes and owns Foolers. Keeps the thrash off our clean forums. :w00t:

boosted96cobra

03-26-2009, 05:16 PM

Yeah but does he have it 'set up' for the 300ft? :confused:

Does he take it to trikefest?

I'm sure 1up will be there so I guess if someone wants to take out his Fooler they will have ample chance there. :beer

Nah man it prolly isn't setup for 300', I'd say it's setup for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhFJsO9ZLcQ&NR=1

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITr7gm-zKcM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OELm9uNQg6E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIY-M8xf4Zs

You gotta build a fast, big cc bike to run with the damn banshees at the hill. 300' is just getting started.

Saul

03-26-2009, 05:26 PM

I prefer the 300ft races myself. Thats why I love watching the trikefest dvd's so much. But now before anyone wet's themselves - that's just MY opinion. :)

factoryX

03-26-2009, 06:26 PM

its just you used 8 pages to express your opinion about air foolers..

kbreese

03-26-2009, 06:46 PM

Dammit!

03-26-2009, 06:50 PM

Wasn't 1upfront at trikefest last year? I thought I saw some vids. Might be confusing it with some other vids.

The thing about 300 feet is that it's as much about rider skill as it is your machine. A lot has been said about 1upfront's bike but I think you have to give credit to his riding ability as much if not more than his machine. 300 feet doesn't give most bikes enough room to really stretch their legs. Two shifts and you're done so a slight mistake can/will cost you the race. I took second place in the drags at the first trike rally we had out here despite having the fastest trike that was competing that day. The dude that beat me just flat out beat me on skill (he races drag boats and killed me at the tree). Just another 20 feet and I would have caught him. Damn it. :lol:

boosted96cobra

03-26-2009, 07:38 PM

Hey guys, this is the 86 250r that I bought here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300303180024&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123

Seemed like a pretty good deal compared to what everyone else was wanting for decent 85-86's on Ebay and craiglist ($2k+) so I jumped on it. He also seems like a real honest seller and good guy. Funny how he lists the fact that it has full DG exhaust as a "con" since it's not factory original, heh.

I'd be happy if I was bringing tha home... alot of people consider a dg exhaust a con. I had one on an 85 tecate that worked really well. I think they are the low end of quality pipes.

Hope you enjoy both bikes :Bounce

kbreese

03-26-2009, 07:44 PM

I'd be happy if I was bringing tha home... alot of people consider a dg exhaust a con. I had one on an 85 tecate that worked really well. I think they are the low end of quality pipes.

Hope you enjoy both bikes :Bounce

Oh, really? I always thought DG made good pipes....but I've been out of the game for 20 years, so....

I think that bike will clean up pretty nice. I will probably take some mop and glo to the plastics. At least most of it seems structurally sounds and looks to just need a good cleanup.

And I am personally glad the motor was recently rebuilt as I think after 23 years, its due and would be inevitable on one that wasn't rebuilt yet...unless of course it was barely ever ridden maybe.

One thing I noticed was the headlight bezel seemed a bit crooked, hopefully I can straighten it easy enough.

I did ask him to fix/replace the swingarm bearings as he said he might do in the ad. Please let me know if you guys see anything that doesn't seem right or should ask him any questions about.

Itrike

03-26-2009, 07:54 PM

kbreese

03-26-2009, 08:00 PM

I don't think that is a horrible deal. The head light is from a 85 so you can get a meiar shroud still. The stuck swinger bolt could be a pain. Also the motor should be gray for an 86. As far as the Dg pipe they seem to make good mid power.

Yeah I noticed that about the motor too. I was thinking he had it painted when it was rebuilt. But the headlight is from an 85 too? I thought the 85-86 headlights were the same, no? Hmm, do you think maybe its an 85 and not an 86?

boosted96cobra

03-26-2009, 08:10 PM

I'd say it is prolly an 85 with an 86 seat on it...I really think the rear is not honda oem...it looks like my flappy white maier....but I dunno for sure.

Saul

03-26-2009, 08:25 PM

its just you used 8 pages to express your opinion about air foolers..

party is only getting started - stick around. :beer

Saul

03-26-2009, 08:31 PM

Wasn't 1upfront at trikefest last year? I thought I saw some vids. Might be confusing it with some other vids.

The thing about 300 feet is that it's as much about rider skill as it is your machine. A lot has been said about 1upfront's bike but I think you have to give credit to his riding ability as much if not more than his machine.

100% agree. The more I see videos of 1up launch and ride out the 300ft the more it makes you realize how good he knows and can work that fooler. When he is 'on' he is hard to beat.

Can't wait to see what he has up his sleeve for trikefest this year!

kbreese

03-26-2009, 08:34 PM

Can we keep it back on topic please :) I might deny buying this "86" if its really not an 86....really looking for more feedback on it....Thanks guys.

kbreese

03-26-2009, 08:54 PM

Looking at the rear fender, i did some comparisons and it does seem like its OEM...especially with that black sticker on it. But I'm not positive...

Mr. Clean

03-26-2009, 09:20 PM

Can we keep it back on topic please :) I might deny buying this "86" if its really not an 86....really looking for more feedback on it....Thanks guys.

The fenders are OEM. Top triple tree is black and with Helmet Holder sticker is 86. Gas cap is 86. Brake stay looks to be 86. Carb is 86. The frame where the gas tanks mounts and the rear light mount would tell the story. The engine should be grey, but it looks like someone half assed the paint job.

kbreese

03-26-2009, 09:27 PM

The fenders are OEM. Top triple tree is black and with Helmet Holder sticker is 86. Gas cap is 86. Brake stay looks to be 86. Carb is 86. The frame where the gas tanks mounts and the rear light mount would tell the story. The engine should be grey, but it looks like someone half assed the paint job.

Thanks Bro. As far as the engine paint, when you say "half-assed" do you mean because they painted it black instead of grey, or that the actual paint job just looks sh*tty? Do you think $1500 is too much for this bike?

Dammit!

03-26-2009, 10:16 PM

Can we keep it back on topic please :) I might deny buying this "86" if its really not an 86....really looking for more feedback on it....Thanks guys.

Sorry dude! :beer

Chevy57harley79 summed it up pretty well. To be absolutely certain what year the frame is, ask him for the VIN number and check the 10th digit. If it's G the frame is a 1986. It would be F for 1985.

I definitely see more 86 than 85 on it. The motor was definitely painted (bolts are painted over) and it looks like you can see a little gray bleeding through behind the kickstarter. Engine case around the front sprocket looks broken (unfortunately that's extremely common). Not to rain on your parade but that same trike out here would be worth under a grand (we're incredibly spoiled though, lol). On your end of the country that price sounds about right. I say go for it. Clean it up and bring it back to it's former glory. If you want to wake it up, send me a pm and I'll give you the info for where to send the top end for some extra ponies. :twisted:

motoman110

03-26-2009, 10:18 PM

its alright kids... just cuz someone stepped on your feet doesnt mean you need to get your undies in a bunch jeeze... People have there own opinions, remember all he wanted to know is what trike would be better. and like people have said, he now has both so I dont understand the problem???

ITS JUST A FORUM! whats with people these days..

Saul

03-26-2009, 10:22 PM

and like people have said, he now has both so I dont understand the problem???

Yeah - he is a very lucky guy. He now owns TWO very cool trikes. :beer

kbreese

03-26-2009, 10:42 PM

Engine case around the front sprocket looks broken (unfortunately that's extremely common).

Is that a serious problem, or can it become one? Or is it just cosmetic...

Dammit!

03-26-2009, 10:54 PM

Is that a serious problem, or can it become one? Or is it just cosmetic...

Well, it happens from people not doing proper maintenance. The chain has to be kept at the proper slack (1 to 1.5 inches of slack, in neutral, with the rider on the bike) and the sprockets need to be replaced as soon as they show signs of the teeth being worn or hooked. If this isn't done, the chain will eventually fly off and break the case saver mounts on the engine which is what looks like happened to that one. Is it a big deal? Only if the break was severe enough that it cracked all the way into motor to the point that oil leaks out. I'd take a good look at it when you pick it up. Pay close attention to the area down around the gear shifter. If it cracked right there it's a bigger issue than the top mount being broken.

It's really a very common thing with these bikes. It's a shame since it only takes a minimal amount of effort to prevent it.

The Goat

03-26-2009, 11:01 PM

I will pee on the next person who posts in this thread and it doesn't pertain to the thread starter...the thread hijacking in here is completely out of hand.

looks like a good bike..and it'd be good to find down here. check the case as damnit said.

If it is only the outermost portion, you can find those sidecases reasonably cheaply.

in any case...look it over well when picking it up. If you see issues that were not brought to your attention during the sale...bring it to the sellers attention.

the bike you buy should be the bike you pick up...exactly.

Dammit!

03-26-2009, 11:32 PM

Actually finding that case is a pain and they're typically expensive. It's all one piece except for the stator cover which usually wouldn't have been damaged from the chain coming off. You can still find them new as well but for big bucks.

I wouldn't let it scare me away from a trike as long as it's just broken where the upper case saver bolt goes. If the bottom section around the shifter is broke though... well it would lower what I'd be willing to pay for it considerably lets put it that way.

The Goat

03-26-2009, 11:34 PM

see I meant the outermost portion the stator cover...I had that issue on my other 350x engine. stator cover was slammed and not the case itself.

Dammit!

03-26-2009, 11:36 PM

Yeah the way a 250r case is shaped that's pretty much impossible.

kbreese

03-27-2009, 07:22 AM

factoryX

03-27-2009, 08:37 AM

well if you don't pay for the bike you just bought on ebay, prepare for negative feed back...

edog

03-27-2009, 08:41 AM

Buty the 83! Airfoolers are cooler then dime-a-dozen liquid R's!

Ya, I see them all the time.:rolleyes:

edog

03-27-2009, 08:47 AM

Not a chance. Airfoolers are only good for about 70 MPH - but according to people on here the Liquid Cooled R's are capable of Time Travel! :beer

"Chuck? This is your cousin, Marvin. Marvin Berry?! :lol:

Dude, if you owned one you would think it was the best thing sense sliced bread and start another web site for it.:lol:

And yes they are capable of time travel. Aren't all things????

I love the 84 250R.:w00t:

edog

03-27-2009, 08:52 AM

hmm, I am starting to get turned off to this bike...between the exhaust leak, the bolt in the swingarm which he may or may not fix, and now this crack..which may even indicate poor maintenance...I don't know. If i have to wind up taking it to a shop and putting $500 into it or something...than I am at like $2k in which case I could have find a mint 250R ready to go., like this one that sold for $2k

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140302703010&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=

That's a good deal from what I can see. Suck it up and change that frame color.

It's a nice ride. I have a nice 85.

edog

03-27-2009, 08:54 AM

That's a good deal from what I can see. Suck it up and change that frame color.

It's a nice ride. I have a nice 85.

Never mind..................

Dammit!

03-27-2009, 10:47 AM

hmm, I am starting to get turned off to this bike...between the exhaust leak, the bolt in the swingarm which he may or may not fix, and now this crack..which may even indicate poor maintenance...I don't know. If i have to wind up taking it to a shop and putting $500 into it or something...than I am at like $2k in which case I could have find a mint 250R ready to go., like this one that sold for $2k

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140302703010&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=

That's a typical arizona machine. How would you get it to new york though?

And if you buy an az or ca trike, look through craigslist before buying on ebay. You'll save at least $500.

Here's a decent deal. Pics suck though.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/1069187454.html

kbreese

03-27-2009, 05:34 PM

Engine case around the front sprocket looks broken (unfortunately that's extremely common).

I looked closely at the pictures and I can't see what you are referring to. Also, I am not sure if you read the ad but it says this:

"You will see in the pictures the case saver is missing but the case is not cracked. This part was missing when I purchased the bike and has never been a problem. "

As far as the headlight, yeah I see now that it's an 85 headlight and not an 86 headlight. I emailed him asking about that because in the ad he states
"The original front fender, fuel tank, radiator shields and headlight are in place."

I don't know...I am going back and forth about it. As far as the negative feedback etc...he does state in the ad that if someone doesn't pay he will file a complaint, but I feel confident I could counter it with with the headlight alone. I'm more just trying to decide whether I want it for $1500 or not.

it's definitely harder to find deals around here. People ask a lot more. Just look at these examples on craigslist right now:

86 250R $2950:
http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/rvs/1076320389.html

85 250R $2600:
(tried to link the ad but the posting was just deleted by the author...what timing, lol...its been there for days...guess it sold)

84 250R $1200:
http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/rvs/1069033593.html

Initially I thought the 86 on ebay was a good deal but after I posted here i could tell most didn't think so....I don't know....he just spent $500 on it between the rebuild and chain too, so...like that other bike the you posted of the 85 in Pheonix for $900...you could get that and need to rebuild the motor and than your at $1400, plus the seat is not oem...no words on it...no stickers at all on the bike...might not be oem plastic, and who knows the shape its in theres almost no description....I don't know ....lol, keep going back and forth...

boosted96cobra

03-27-2009, 06:51 PM

I still say the rear fender on the one you won on ebay is not oem. Notice the 86 on craigslist that you posted above, the color matches the other fenders, the ebay one is more orange than red. Plus you can see were is is starting to buckle on the back on both sides, this is exactly how my white 250r fender is. They flap around, were all the oem ones I have seen do not. With all the bikes I have owned I know there used to be someplace that made oem replica fenders that had stickers on them just like factory, but are not as thick and they flap alot. My 83 200x rear is an oem replica.

Mr. Clean

03-27-2009, 07:51 PM

I still say the rear fender on the one you won on ebay is not oem.

In this picture you can see the part of the OEM fender for the support brace (by the chain slider). No after-market fender I have seen has provisions for the brace.

I have to say though I dont feel it is a good thing to win the auction-then do the homework to determine whether you want to follow thru with the purchase.. I know if you had posted first before pulling the trigger we could have picked it apart, even asked for more pics....but whatever it is for you to deal with not me......

kbreese

03-27-2009, 08:20 PM

Yes you are right 57, but it's a question if it was misrepresented at this point. I clicked the buy it now based on what he said and how it was adertised...its a matter of if it was advertised correctly and truthfully at this point. I've already discovered myself that his statement about the headlight is incorrect.

Mr. Clean

03-27-2009, 08:49 PM

but it's a question if it was misrepresented at this point. I clicked the buy it now based on what he said and how it was adertised...its a matter of if it was advertised correctly and truthfully at this point. I've already discovered myself that his statement about the headlight is incorrect.

I just re-read the auction, and here is the only point of debate. The only thing he got wrong is the headlight. So....Does the headlight not being an 86 constitute mis-representation? In my humble opinion it does not and 1000 people will have 2000 opinions...:lol: Hope this deal works out for everyone involved. :beer

It is also my humble opinion that $1500 is a good deal. So if you buy it; Get the manual, if you own something this old you will need to be able to work on it or plan to spend $$$$$$.

kbreese

03-27-2009, 09:09 PM

Mr. Clean

03-27-2009, 10:18 PM

Regarding your last statement.....if so many of these bikes have gone 20+ years with little more than maintenance than why should I plan on having to work on it a lot or dump a lot of money into if the engine was just rebuilt, clutches are fairly new, etc.?? From my understanding these are really solid bikes....

Are you familiar with replacing the swing arm bearings? Or would you take it to a shop for service. Do it yourself for around $100 (new bearings, swing arm bolt). A shop will probably end up being in the range of $300- $500 bucs. If you are doing the swing arm bearings it would be a good idea to check/service the axle bearings. If you are going to do axle bearings then you may as well do the steering neck bearings, as they are the only ones left on the frame. These type of repairs add up very quickly. Maybe I am the only one who is this particular; but who knows what condition shape ANY used ATC, bike, etc if it is not inspected. It is Peace of mind when flying thru Glamis knowing parts are in proper/working shape.

Hondas have a reputation to run forever. However mechanical issues can occur anytime, preventative maintenance or routine maintenance is necessary and costly. So if you think cause they are solid bikes you are done spending money you may want to reconsider.

On top of this I like to wrench on my rides, maybe you dont.:wondering

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/miked1957_photo/DSC_0845.jpg

I rode this one for a while. Clapped out shock, little rough around the edges.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/miked1957_photo/DSC_0155.jpg

Now looks like this.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/miked1957_photo/DSC_0840.jpg

Although I like wrenching I still prefer to ride....

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/miked1957_photo/HPIM2504.jpg

Dirtcrasher

03-27-2009, 11:03 PM

^ Your as bad as the rest of us..... Your garage is a SHOP!! :lol: I swear it is a complete and total disease!!

Very nice stuff there!!

kbreese

03-27-2009, 11:11 PM

I got 2 responses from the seller:

"The light is the original one that came with the bike when I bought it. I guess it is possible the old owner replaced it at some point. The date codes on the wheels suggest that is an 86. The motor is black because it was painted when it was apart. The original paint was not in that great of shape but it was a grey color but dirty. Is there any thing else you would like me to check to verify the year for you?

I was successful today in getting the swing arm bolt removed from the bike. It was very stubborn about coming out but it is now out. I will check with my local dealer about the parts to replace the bearings and sleeves and attempt to get the work done before you pick up the bike. I assume you would be coming next weekend. Please let me know."

"I just went out and checked. The bike is an 86 as indicated by the original Honda manufacturer sticker on the frame behind the bars.

The VIN on the neck of the frame is JH3TB0607GC505995."

DixiePlowboy

03-27-2009, 11:18 PM

Seller sounds straight up to me, and he's got the swinger bolt out.

Mr. Clean

03-27-2009, 11:33 PM

^ Your as bad as the rest of us..... Your garage is a SHOP!! :lol: I swear it is a complete and total disease!!

Very nice stuff there!!

Thanks DC...there is another TRX250r not pictured.....:lol: I have the disease...:beer

Dammit!

03-28-2009, 12:18 AM

I looked closely at the pictures and I can't see what you are referring to.

I may have made a mistake there. 9 times out of 10 when the case saver is missing, it's because the mount for it got broken off and in the pic I thought it looked like it the piece that protrudes out from the case was missing. The pics are too small to really be sure so I apologize for jumping to that conclusion. I'd ask the guy if he can send high res pictures of that entire area. The upper case saver mount and the lower, showing the case where the shifter shaft comes out. If it is NOT broken, imo the value of the trike goes up a bit. I for one would always be willing to pay a little extra for a 250r if that case is intact.

Going by the VIN there's no question it's a 1986. You cannot get aftermarket headlight plastic for a 1986 so a lot of people switch to the 85 for that reason. You can still get the 86 OEM though. You will need to find the 86 lens. It's slightly wider than the 85.

I wouldn't be afraid to pick that up for what you're paying for it honestly. It's high for us in the southwest but I know for your neck of the woods that's a fair price. I bet it will clean up nice.

You can get the service manual for free in my sig by the way. Working on these things and bringing them back to life is part of the fun for a lot of us.

kbreese

03-28-2009, 09:34 AM

Would I be able to buy and put a new case saver on there, or is the area where it screws into damaged at all? I will looking at this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pro-Design-Billet-Case-Saver-Guard-Honda-TRX-ATC-250R_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a 2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q 3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZite m140308376606QQitemZ140308376606QQptZMotorsQ5fATVQ 5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Any other suggestions on things I should buy for it? anything else seem to be missing? I really appreciate the help on this...you giuys obviously have much more knowledge and a better on than me....I am new again to the game.

As far as wrenching....I will definitely try my hand at it....but if theres something I can't do yeah it will have to go to the shop. I did download both manuals, thanks for the links Damit

Dammit!

03-28-2009, 10:01 AM

As long as the mounts aren't damaged you can install that case saver. The important thing is proper maintenance though. Even with a case saver, if the chain flys off under power it's going to break something more often than not.

kbreese

03-28-2009, 07:34 PM

latest response:

Only the chain was replaced and that was recently. The sprockets have been on the bike since I got it. Not sure if they are original or were replaced sometime before by one of the other owners. The bike has no real hours with the new chain, only around my yard. The old chain stretched beyond the limits of the adjusters when I was test riding it around my yard after the motor rebuild. I have not had it out on the trail since. As far as the case saver goes, both mounts are still there. The one does have a crack in it but it does not affect the case. Basically there is a stud that sticks off the side of the case with a threaded hole down the middle. I guess when the saver came off it bent the mounting screw back wards and opened the hole up a bit. This is not a big deal to fix I just never felt it was worth worrying about. The case itself has not cracks or problems and no part of the mounting stud is broken completely off is is simply cracked a bit. You certainly could purchase an new case saver and attach it with one screw now and two if the mounting stud is repaired. I would take pictures of it for you but it is not where I am now. Next time I am there I will put some pictures in an email and send them over.

I am ordering all the parts and will hopefully get it all done before you arrive next weekend. I had hoped to get the work done this weekend but parts availability and rainy weather here prevented that. Any idea what day you may be coming? Please let me know so I can bring the bike over from storage and plan to be here.

I think I am going to give him a deposit.

he replaced the chain but not the sprockets...shouldn't the sprockets be changed at the same time? How easy is that to do?

Are these bikes pretty easy to work on? I know people said the 83-84's are...how much harder are the 86's? I think I'll start reading the manual. Any other literature recommended? What about tools? Just basic tools?

JohnR.

03-28-2009, 07:56 PM

Working on the 85's is pretty much exactly the same as working on the 86's. The fact that he replaced the chain and not the sprockets is kind of scary. You don't need many specialty tools for basic work. I would suggest getting a flywheel puller, they're cheap and you can't remove the flywheel when the stator goes without one.

John

kbreese

03-28-2009, 08:25 PM

Edited, I meant to say compared to the 83-84's, I know the 85-86's are almost the same. Yeah I was surprised he didn't replace the sprockets...guess I'll have to add that to the list of things to do. How long does that take?

PS - what the hell's a stator?

JohnR.

03-28-2009, 08:29 PM

I haven't worked on the air cooled models but other than the fact that the later ones have a radiator and have coolant running through the cylinder and head there aren't any earth shattering differences. You just have to drain the coolant before taking the liquid ones apart.

John

Itrike

03-28-2009, 11:51 PM

Dammit!

03-29-2009, 01:45 AM

I think you should have bought a new quad. This ain't youre thing. Work on it figure it out ask ??? then.

Come on now. How many people have come on this forum not having any idea how to work on a trike that are competent enough now to tell other people how to fix their machines? It ain't rocket science man.

All the basic maintenance (like changing the sprockets) is really very easy. You only need basic tools. Don't worry about the stator or a flywheel puller right now. Worry about that if you ever need it. I've owned my R since 1989 and have never had any reason to pull the flywheel.

You have the best two resources a person could ask for when learning how to work on a trike. The shop manual and this forum. Get used to the search feature here and when you get stuck on something, try the search. Odds are you'll find more than one thread already covering your question.

kbreese

03-29-2009, 10:27 AM

Thanks Damit. In response to Itrike, I considered getting a newer Polaris Predator, but I really didn't want to spend that much, and I have always wanted another 250R....my heart is still with 3 wheelers. Growing up I had a yamaha 225DX, a little KX80 dirtbike and than the 84 250R (which I bought for $600 and it was nearly new)...my riding buddies had a 200x, 350x, and a Warrior. My first experience with a 3 wheeler was when my friend got an ATC 110 new, and we used to putt around on that thing and thought it was the coolest thing ever and thats what got the ball rolling. I grew up in the boonies and thats how we got around to our friends houses, and of course hitting the trails, and we'd ride them all year round in any weather...I remember having mud wars where we would try and sling mud on each other...great fun....and we used to take off for a weekend as there was endless riding...ride all the way into PA and camp in some field...and we'd just pull up to gas stations to refill...of course I had to add my 2-stroke oil in too :)

Anyhow, 4 wheelers are great, but I have personally never owned one and still love 3 wheelers....and I absolutely love ATC 250r's....I just think they are the coolest bikes ever. As far as working on them, I never had to anything to any of my bikes beyond basic maintenance....never had a single problem with any of them. Guess I was lucky maybe, but no I don't really know how to work on them and its been 20 years since I've been in the game. But I'll try and figure stuff out as I need to. Hopefully this bike proves pretty reliable and I won't have to constantly keep working out, because yeah I do prefer riding over wrenching thats for sure.

SYKO

03-29-2009, 10:37 AM

well my 85 when I got it was a pig to start and looked ugly I fixed its uglieness and it was still a pig, I rode it like that for a year and beat the snot out of it. NO problems, I rebuilt the top end and put a better carb on it and then RACED it for a good while with no problems. SO I beleive them to be trully reliable machines.

kbreese

03-29-2009, 04:45 PM

Thats what I am hoping for. This guy already rebuilt the motor, and has very low hours since. the clutches were rebuilt in 2000...again low hours since...and now he is replacing the swing arm bearings/seals. So I am hoping it will be good to go for a while. I do want to replace the sprockets, brake pads, and have that exhaust leak checked out though....is that a common issue by the way?

PS- I gave him the $300 deposit today so for better or worse, i will be buying the bike. Pretty excited...can't believe I am getting an 86 R...always wanted one since they came out 23 years ago :)

kbreese

03-29-2009, 06:20 PM

Dammit!

03-29-2009, 09:56 PM

I must have missed that part about the exhaust leak. If it's at the cylinder, it can be easily fixed with an aftermarket o-ringed billet exhaust flange. I have one and it hasn't leaked a drop since I installed it. Paid $35 on ebay for it.

Boring a bike out .030 over won't do squat honestly. I'd say a stock 86 R and a stock banshee are fairly similar. If you want a nice power boost on the R, you can get it with simple bolt on mods. A GOOD pipe, filter, rad valve or v-force reed cage, bigger carb. All that will have it running pretty well but to top it off I'd recommend having it ported by someone that really knows what they're doing. If you do all that and it's done right and tuned properly you should be putting 50+ hp to the rear wheels.

factoryX

03-29-2009, 10:02 PM

so what would a 300cc big bore put out with all these?...just wondering

Dammit!

03-29-2009, 10:13 PM

I haven't seen any dynos with a 310 kit and similar mods so I don't know. I have seen a few dyno results with the stock head and jug but the above mods and some head/port work that were putting out 50-55 hp.

boosted96cobra

03-29-2009, 11:20 PM

Quick question...will this bike be as quick as a banshee? Does the fact it was bored .030 make any difference or just the pipe making a difference?

Reason I ask is my step-sister had a banshee and I took it for a ride a few years back and it was definitely fast....looking for that kinda power to put a smile on my face. When I rode the 84 250R it didn't seem very fast to be honest. Felt kinda slow...

You can make the 84 fast man, but it takes some work, and skill. Gearing helps alot. They can kinda fool you how fast they are because the power is lower and consistant. I nosed alot of 450's and pred 500 on the flats with my air cooled r. The hills were another story...when you have a 2 stroke with alot of power you can upshift up the hill...and it will put a smile on your face believe me. The air cooled need alot of mods to do that.

The liquid IS fast! Even if it bone stock it will take a little bit to get used to the power, it's all up top. VS a banshee, that is hard to say. If it close to stock you should be right with it. The problem it's hard to find a stock one, and they respond really well to mods. 2 cyl 350cc 2 stroke. They have alot of top end. You hear and see alot of big banshees loosing in 300' drags, but if you give them room to stretch watch out.

kbreese

04-03-2009, 06:43 PM

I must have missed that part about the exhaust leak. If it's at the cylinder, it can be easily fixed with an aftermarket o-ringed billet exhaust flange. I have one and it hasn't leaked a drop since I installed it. Paid $35 on ebay for it.

The only one I could find was $60 shipped. Seems pretty steep!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Billet-Exhaust-Flange-TRX250R-ATC250R-TRX-ATC-250R-250_W0QQitemZ200316053416QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors _ATV_Parts_Accessories?hash=item200316053416&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A1205|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

There was another one for $35 but it was used and looked like crap.

Anyhow, so this bolts right up to the cylinder and the DG exhaust will attach right to it and the dual O-rings seal it up nice I presume? Is it an easy bolt-on or is it going to mess up the alignment of the exhaust and I'll have to work on realigning everything etc...?