Frame Job! (fresh powder coating)

[Buster Brown]

Fresh out of the oven and ready for reassembly!:w00t:
Big Schott from Minnesota sent me his frame for a makeover. Here it is right after blasting, then into the oven with uncured powder applied, and finally with new Honda red. Now I will carefully wrap and box it up for return shippment (SPEE DEE / cheapest). The color here looks orange from my camera flash :wondering , but is a perfect match to the OEM Honda "PASSION" red. If your local powder coating shop doesn't like to match colors, or has crazy high prices, I can most likely help you out. Many shops are enlisting minimum charges even for the smallest of items. Mailing parts adds a little to the cost , but if your as picky as I am and have one or two small items at a time, it's worth it. Happy new year everyone! -Andy :)

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[edog]

That is a butiful orange!!!!

[Youngrasher]

WOW. That looks like you've done a really good job.

[Buster Brown]

That is a butiful orange!!!!

Ha, Ha, Edog! Here we go.
Any good Camera people out there know what I need to do to get the orange color out of the flash area?

[oscarmayer]

take the photo's with lota of light and no flash.

[Youngrasher]

Is that the only heating element at the bottom of the oven?

[atcman77]

Great job on the frame Andy!! :drool: Going to make a very nice restoration!

[Buster Brown]

Is that the only heating element at the bottom of the oven?

I have 4 heating elements. Two "broiler" elements on the ceiling and two "baker" elements on the floor.

oscarmayer: Thanks for the photography help! :)

[Youngrasher]

I just spied the others in the pics.

[SYKO]

That is a butiful orange!!!!


at least he dosnt go by whats on the "cap"

:welcome:


looks good!:D

[saleen_n_around]

Looks really great....what kind of pricing do you have, enquiring minds want to know! PM me if you like, and what kind of turn around time....?

[edog]

Ha, Ha, Edog! Here we go.
Any good Camera people out there know what I need to do to get the orange color out of the flash area?

Sorry I can't help. My camera skillz are rusty?lol

I love your over! How many cookies can you bake at one time?

[Buster Brown]

Looks really great....what kind of pricing do you have, enquiring minds want to know! PM me if you like, and what kind of turn around time....?

Pricing is different for each individual piece. It all depends on what shape the piece is when it gets here. Is the piece sandblasted clean and ready to shoot powder, or greasy and grimy with blasting needed. Small pieces are obviously much cheaper than frames. As an example the pictured frame from big schott was a bit dirty and oozed oil from the lower engine mounts. I had to pre bake the stripped frame through 5 heat cycles to get the oil completely baked out of the crevasses, before powdering it. This takes a couple extra hours and a lot of electricity. I try to refrain from giving a set price for any one item, but for instance I've said in the past $150 for blasting/powder coating a ATC 250R frame like this. I've learned that price is NO money maker :( ! If your frame is spotless, and already blasted clean, $125 will cover powder coating it. This $125 doesn't cover shipping though. Blasting is about another $75. Check with your local powder coating shop to see if my price is worth mailing a large frame. My turn around is usually one week, on top of shipping transit times. Thanks! -Andy

[Vealmonkey]

Nice job. I had my first frame powdercoated in the not too distant past and if you haven't had one done it, it's hard to appreciate how nice they turn out. Best of luck to you and what you are doing.

[big schott]

Andy I am excited to see the frame, I am putting up a pic of what it looked like just a couple weeks ago.
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo59/bigschott93/1985%20250R/250r071.jpg
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[Orangecnty250r]

Looks great!!! What was the honda match??

[Buster Brown]

Looks great!!! What was the honda match??

This particular powder is from Columbia Coatings. It's called Super Mirror Red TGIC (S1796024S). You need about a 1/2 LB. to be safe for an ATC 250R sized frame. Put it next to a originally painted OEM Honda frame and it's perfectly matched and looks absolutely awesome! Best of all it's a much superior, shelved item, that's available any day, in any quantity. One really needs to see it applied in person to see the correct match and new look it gives. Some may say its over done, or possibly too shiny. IMO it's perfect! :naughty:
Here is a link: http://store.columbiacoatings.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=S1796024S&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3Dall%26 searchstart%3D0%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/HTN/SearchResult.html%26category%3DSMPW

[Tri-Z 250]

I often wondered about prep work to a frame pre powder vs paint. Is there a difference to the primers used in each application? Is it easier to work the power out of the threads in the bolt holes? Do you cork or mask the holes prior to coating?

[Buster Brown]

I often wondered about prep work to a frame pre powder vs paint. Is there a difference to the primers used in each application? Is it easier to work the power out of the threads in the bolt holes? Do you cork or mask the holes prior to coating?

Prep work involves blasting the item clean, and then wiping it down with acetone. Masking is next and used on any machined surfaces or exposed bolt threads. Look closely and you can see high temp (green tape) masking on the neck of the frame where the bearing races have been removed. The races would be a pain to put back in if left unmasked. The powder is usually easy to work through in threaded holes. Really not much powder paint even gets into those very tiny holes. An electo. field is created in crevasses during powdering. It actually can be a chore to get powder to flow into some tight spots. High temp silicone plugs are used to keep powder out of any larger threaded holes. Male bolt threads on the other hand, are covered as to make life easier down the reassembly road. If a bolt were left unmasked it should be fine as long as the powder isn't too thick. It kind of acts like the dry thread locker you sometimes see on non assembled manufactured parts. If your having trouble with a particular situation, it never hurts to chase the threads with the appropriate tap or die. No primers are used usually, though I have seen some powder primers used on larger industrial items on television. Primer powders may be a growing practice in the near future.

[Hoosier_Daddy]

That is awesome work and the price range you quoted is very fair for work that good.

[Buster Brown]

That is awesome work and the price range you quoted is very fair for work that good.

Thanks guys for all the kind compliments and words of encouragement!

[NINJA]

Sorry I can't help. My camera skillz are rusty?lol

I love your over! How many cookies can you bake at one time?

Could it possibly be enough cookies to stop you from being such a hater?:lol:

Nice work Andy, I'll prolly send my frames to you as soon as the fab work is done on them. Seein' as how I'm not gonna be set up for PC myself for prolly another 6 months. Not to mention, I like doing business with you.:beer

[The Goat]

how much does it cost to ship a frame these days guys?

[RacerRichie]

I like your oven setup. Nice work.

[saleen_n_around]

So what is the best method for shipment and how do you ship them back without them getting beat up?

[big schott]

how much does it cost to ship a frame these days guys?

Hey Goat, This is my frame that you guys see. Now first of all I live in Western Minn. and Andy lives in about as far frome me as possibe in Wis. I checked with three shippers.
First... Fed Ex. they were at $250 Approx
2nd... UPS they were at $148 Approx (Sorry Andy :lol: )
and 3rd and the WINNER was a small shipper out of St. Cloud MN. "SPEEDY" they did it in One day at $49.

[saleen_n_around]

How about Greyhound.....?

[SYKO]

if it fits under certain measurments you can send it USPS last from I did was a 200m frame for ditchmud it was $66 or so

if you can goto a private shipper that does fedex, have them send it unmeasured, it will make it through the system I had luck shipping a tri-z frame from here to washington state for only $25!

[Buster Brown]

if it fits under certain measurments you can send it USPS last from I did was a 200m frame for ditchmud it was $66 or so

if you can goto a private shipper that does fedex, have them send it unmeasured, it will make it through the system I had luck shipping a tri-z frame from here to washington state for only $25!

$25!:eek: Shezaam! That's cheep. That's great to get it here, but the return trip is where I'd be concerned. I wonder how they can charge so little. I packed big schott's ATC 250R frame up in the large flat screen TV box he originally sent it in. I wonder if the $25 fee is for a loose frame only, wrapped at most in shrink rap or something (no box). sykplincoln, was your TRI Z frame boxed up, and how well did it get to it's destination? Do you think the private shipper just has a good rep with Fed Ex and kind of slipped it through? That's a killer shipping price!($25) :p I have heard Fed Ex Ground is usually the most reasonable on frames. I'm sure it all depends how far point A is to point B. All I know is UPS is outrageously high. Dang union employees!:naughty:

[SYKO]

it was boxed, but I made it to fit around the frame, it was also shipped from a private fedex shipper (one who can ship fedex ups dhl all from same store) they just weighed it. I asked them not to measure it he said it may come back, but it never did, after that he shipped all kinds of frames for me. Unfortunatly he closed about 6 months ago.

if they measure it that 200m frame would have cost over $110 to ship from here to ohio, it managed to fit under the USPS's measurments and got their for around $66 or so.

grey hound would be only about 20-40 depending on location, ive never heard of any bad stories but it still sounds scetchy to say the least.

[big schott]

I thought I would just add a couple pics of the frame. Andy did a PERFECT job on this and if Andy ever needs a referance I will give it.

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo59/bigschott93/1985%20250R/010.jpg

The color (even if the pics don't show it) is dead on!

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And yes I couldn't wait I started to put some of the cleaned up parts on in the living room.

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[honda250sx]

Andy did a hella job on that! Beautiful work

Adorable little ones as well!

Get to work on that trike!

[Buster Brown]

QUOTE: by big schott

I thought I would just add a couple pics of the frame. Andy did a PERFECT job on this and if Andy ever needs a referance I will give it.
The color (even if the pics don't show it) is dead on!
And yes I couldn't wait I started to put some of the cleaned up parts on in the living room.



big schott,
That's so great!;) I had to show my wife your cute little ones and the humerus living room assembly start. Heck, I now its dang cold in Minnesota, too. Warm and comfortable inside, right! Not to mention it's never to early to start the youngsters' mechanical education.:lol: Thanks for posting and all the kind words! Good luck with the build. Can't wait to see the finished product! Thanks again, big schott !! -Andy :)

[WIkid500]

Hey Andy Looks like you do nice work, and you have a nice oven too! I'm wondering what It would cost me to have you apply http://store.columbiacoatings.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=CCC&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3Dall%26 searchstart%3D0%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/HTN/SearchResult.html%26category%3DCRCH
on a head pipe for me. I'm in central WI. I don't need this done till later in the spring but I'm just checking my options. I would send you the pipe and the coating, I just need it applied and baked.


Thanks,

Garrett.

[Buster Brown]

Hey Andy Looks like you do nice work, and you have a nice oven too! I'm wondering what It would cost me to have you apply http://store.columbiacoatings.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=CCC&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3Dall%26 searchstart%3D0%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/HTN/SearchResult.html%26category%3DCRCH
on a head pipe for me. I'm in central WI. I don't need this done till later in the spring but I'm just checking my options. I would send you the pipe and the coating, I just need it applied and baked.


Thanks,

Garrett.

Hey,Garrett. Wow!, I was just thinking of getting some of that high temp ceramic for a pipe I'll be refinishing soon (pictured). I'd love to do that. Feel like being a Ginny pig?? :lol: :lol: Seriously though, it would be no problem. I would be very curious to see the real finished product's look. Columbia Coatings' sample picture looks awesome. If your pipe was already prepped clean (blasted), I'd say $35 /plus the actual return shipping cost. PM me if your interested. Thanks! -Andy
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[honda250sx]

oh man...

Andy what temp does the oven you built go to? I think its gotta be around 6-700 to do ceramic coating? hmmmm... i need some stuff done like that.

[Buster Brown]

oh man...

Andy what temp does the oven you built go to? I think its gotta be around 6-700 to do ceramic coating? hmmmm... i need some stuff done like that.

Well shnit, your right honda250sx. I guess I was picture shopping as well. I neglected to read! Though my oven should get to 500 degrees as required, holding it there for an hour is another story.:wondering It'll run me a bit of $$ at the electric meter too. I'll try it first on a scrap piece to see how it goes. I've never sustained 500 degrees for a long period, as of yet. Thanks for the prompt! :idea:

WIkid500,
I may have to hold off on your head pipe to experiment with this ceramic stuff. :)

[WIkid500]

Andy that is no problem. If you get it working let me know how it goes. The chrome colored ceramic coating has to be cured at 500 degrees for an hour. That's a lot of heat. If you get it working let us know, maybe a few of us would get parts to you so you could do several things at once. Save on the energy bill and the oven use.

I was reading on the Columbia coatings site and they state that you can use a propane heater to cure materials(infrared, or gas grill). Once I get my pipe built I think I am going to prep it apply the ceramic and fire up my gas grill. The way I see it whats the worst that happens? I end up sand blasting it all off lol.

[Buster Brown]

Andy that is no problem. If you get it working let me know how it goes. The chrome colored ceramic coating has to be cured at 500 degrees for an hour. That's a lot of heat. If you get it working let us know, maybe a few of us would get parts to you so you could do several things at once. Save on the energy bill and the oven use.

I was reading on the Columbia coatings site and they state that you can use a propane heater to cure materials(infrared, or gas grill). Once I get my pipe built I think I am going to prep it apply the ceramic and fire up my gas grill. The way I see it whats the worst that happens? I end up sand blasting it all off lol.

Sounds good, WIkid500! I'll post something up as soon as I get a chance to experiment a little. Keep me informed on your progress!:beer Thanks!

[big schott]

OK this will be the last of the pics untill I am almost done.http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo59/bigschott93/1985%20250R/003.jpg

I think the wife is ready for this to be out of the living room so I think it needs to go out to the shop.http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo59/bigschott93/1985%20250R/004.jpg


I am loving this project. I'll keep you guys posted on this in the future. The engine should be done in the next week or two. I took the swing arm for blasting and I hope to have it back this week. http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo59/bigschott93/1985%20250R/002.jpg

[Buster Brown]

I'm grinning from ear to ear! That looks awesome! It's so fun and rewarding building your own baby. If I may give a small tip. Try soaking your coolant hoses and/or any dirty black rubber parts in some orange citrus degreaser for about 24 hrs. The dirt will lift rite off (scrubbing helps) and after a final rinse they will look good as new. Maybe I'm off base here, as you're going to ride it, not eat off it. Sorry! Great job so far! :beer

[big schott]

Yea, I havn't tryed to clean up the hoses yet. I wasn't going to but,,,,, I guess if it make you happy:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: