10" front rim order interest

[neo19672000]

Lets see how many are interested, just cut and paste the list as its added too. Purchase by march 1st 2009 I think they are gonna be about $115.00 - $125.00 ea. to include shipping this is just a feeler to see if it will be worth it or not, no guarentees. I found a dealer willing to do a custom order with a minimum of 24 rims, these will be the .190 thickness 10" (h) X 6" (w) center (3n+3n) 4-170mm bolt pattern. So I belive this will cover the 85-86 250R, 350X and the 86-87 200X, dont quote me, I just asked about the 350X. The dealer says it should be about 10 -12 weeks after time of purchase. I have this posted on PLANET TRIKE and will have it on .ORG also. After talking, begging and pleading with my financial officer (wife) it looks as if I will front the cabbage on this so long as I have a good amount of serious buyers. also if you are on one of the other sites shoot me a pm to let me know. Thanks, -Brock

1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
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[Tri-Z Pilot]

I cant paste my name (using my ps3) can someone put my name in? I only want one, and thats if its the same pattern and offset as the 85/86R ( I'm fairly certain it is)

[damageinc2785]

1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
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1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
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1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
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[atcrace]

Not sure who is interested but i still have a few 10" Douglas custom .190 wheels from my order a few months ago. A bunch of people had said they wanted them but never got back to me when the wheels came. Send me a pm if any one is interested.

[The Goat]

Don't front the money yourself... Ask anyone on here who has done it. At least require a nonrefundable deposit.

Atcrace has some good rims.

[neo19672000]

well now that the hyjack is in full swing if you want 10" rims now PM atcrace if you want to wait till march 1st then keep your name on my list. For the stipulations when I do ask for the pre order approx. around feb. 1st I will require a $60.00 nonrefundable paypal only payment, then in the first week of march I will place the order if I have all needed downpayments. When the rims come in it will be actual shipping price, sorry if this turns anybody off but I'm not doing this to pay for anybody elses financial short falls. I do hope that if you sign up you will follow thru, I am getting some very disturbing news that some members say one thing and do another.

[Tri-Z Pilot]

i'm just gonna wait till the later date, as I have no funds to divert at this point.
I'm sure everyone will understand the non refundable deposit, you dont want to front all that coin than have everyone back out at the last minute. you gotta cover your ass man, you never know when your gonna get burnt.

[The Goat]

I do hope that if you sign up you will follow thru, I am getting some very disturbing news that some members say one thing and do another.

sorry for the hijack...but yeah, there's a very short list of people on here who get my money.

[atctim]

1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
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[Kintore]

ANYMORE interest? mine is all bent to hell and back and is about as straight as Ryan Seacrest.....


EDIT- I pmed atcrace so I will wait to hear back from him, if not im still in for this and will send out the money, i havent checked this thread since i posted that is why.

[aldochina]

any idea what it will look like? solid like the douglas wheels or what? I may be interested

[The big 3]

anyone have any idea on the weight of the rim compared to stock?

[atctim]

Come on guys - lets move forward with this - BUMP!

[NINJA]

1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
8. ATCTim - 1
9. NINJA - 1 ( possibly 2 if needed to complete this order )
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[The Goat]

damn...depending on when this order is going out, I might be interested in another.

I'll help out if need be when the time comes is what I'm saying.

[200x Basket]

i guess atcrace sold all his? i bought two so i would have a spare :)

both are new and unmounted so i will weigh one of you really want the weight. i sold the bike that i had bought them for :(

[scooterroo]

will these also fit the 86 t3?

[200x Basket]

they should. i put a 250r rim on the front of my old old 86 t3

[scooterroo]

well then put me down for one as well, when and were do i send payment? paypal? let me know!

1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
8. ATCTim - 1
9. NINJA - 1 ( possibly 2 if needed to complete this order )
10. Scooterroo-1
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[coteya]

1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
8. ATCTim - 1
9. NINJA - 1 ( possibly 2 if needed to complete this order )
10. Scooterroo-1
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[The Goat]

still willing to pick up another if we get to the point where the order is ready.

[Dirtcrasher]

In case you guys were wondering the style of the rim, it's a solid style rim and very well made. Here are a few pics of the 10" rim...... If you can't wait and your in a HUGE hurry, I'll sell mine for 200$ :D :lol:......

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/Big10inch2.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/Big10inchone.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/Big10inch3.jpg

Very nice rim, adds allot of other tire choices, ESP for the ice....

The Kenda MAX tire is a great choice for the stock rim and the Dunlop was nice, but I think that may be discontinued now.

Once again, our parts and choices dwindle away............................

[The Goat]

dc is that a douglas or the kind they or ordering?

I have douglass...still in the box...just waiting for all the parts to come together.

[dmotoxrider]

I'll take one also.

1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
8. ATCTim - 1
9. NINJA - 1 ( possibly 2 if needed to complete this order )
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[neo19672000]

Riders,
As much as I hate to do this, due to funeral costs I can no longer head (front $) this up. I hope that this does not inconveiniance anyone too much, I wanted a few quite badly myself, but family comes first, Sorry about popping the bubble. It appears that we were quite a few shy anyhow.

[200x Basket]

$200 sounds like a deal.

[The Goat]

sorry to hear about your loss.


just keep the list going...we'll work it out when the time comes. I won't front the money, but if no one else is willing, I'd be willing to contact the dealer you found and arrang everything.

[Autophysn]

I am subscribing to this thread cause I too am interested. However the list does appear to be on the short side.
Don't take this the wrong way guys, cause I do not know!
Is the $115-$125 really that great of a deal?
I have seen them on Ebay for this price. Altho, I guess when you include shipping???????

would it be a better deal than this?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA-ATC-250R-85-86-DOUGLAS-FRONT-WHEEL-RIM-4X170_W0QQitemZ200309052361QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMoto rs_ATV_Parts_Accessories?hash=item200309052361&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A64%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318


dude, same here man, sorry for your loss, I don't think anybody would hold it against you

[Speedesign]

I'll take one also. If still available

1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
8. ATCTim - 1
9. NINJA - 1 ( possibly 2 if needed to complete this order )
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[The Goat]

I am subscribing to this thread cause I too am interested. However the list does appear to be on the short side.
Don't take this the wrong way guys, cause I do not know!
Is the $115-$125 really that great of a deal?
I have seen them on Ebay for this price. Altho, I guess when you include shipping???????

would it be a better deal than this?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA-ATC-250R-85-86-DOUGLAS-FRONT-WHEEL-RIM-4X170_W0QQitemZ200309052361QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMoto rs_ATV_Parts_Accessories?hash=item200309052361&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A64%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318


dude, same here man, sorry for your loss, I don't think anybody would hold it against you

Thoserims are 11 inches not ten. Ten allows you to run pretty much any tire out there.

[Autophysn]

Dude, Goat, Thanks man! That makes a world of difference to me!
I am down, let me know when the funds are needed:w00t:




1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
8. ATCTim - 1
9. NINJA - 1 ( possibly 2 if needed to complete this order )
10. Scooterroo-1
11. dmotoxrider-1
12. speedesign-1
13. Buster Brown -1
14. Autophysn-1
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[The big 3]

if anyone can ship a rim O/S for me? i'll definitely get in on this order

[FastZ28]

I'll get in on this. For my 85r.

1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
8. ATCTim - 1
9. NINJA - 1 ( possibly 2 if needed to complete this order )
10. Scooterroo-1
11. dmotoxrider-1
12. speedesign-1
13. Buster Brown -1
14. Autophysn-1
15. FastZ28-2
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[scooterroo]

come on people only 8 more needed!!!

[aldochina]

I"M in for one.




1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
8. ATCTim - 1
9. NINJA - 1 ( possibly 2 if needed to complete this order )
10. Scooterroo-1
11. dmotoxrider-1
12. speedesign-1
13. Buster Brown -1
14. Autophysn-1
15. FastZ28-2
16. Aldochina-1
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84 Z28 Camaro
94 Caprice 9C1
02 2500HD Silverado 4x4 ext cab
85 250R
86 350X
87 Big Red
90 VTR 250

[The big 3]

if anyone can ship a rim O/S for me? i'll definitely get in on this order

..anyone??????????

[The Goat]

sure why not...you pay shipping costs obviously.

[250rulzes]

I"M in for one.




1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
8. ATCTim - 1
9. NINJA - 1 ( possibly 2 if needed to complete this order )
10. Scooterroo-1
11. dmotoxrider-1
12. speedesign-1
13. Buster Brown -1
14. Autophysn-1
15. FastZ28-2
16. Aldochina-1
17. 250Rulzes -1
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[The Goat]

anyone over on .org on the list who isn't on here?

[The big 3]

sure why not...you pay shipping costs obviously.


^^ Goat your a champ, .
it can be hard finding ppl willing to ship O/S for some reason
really appreciate that
cheers

[The big 3]

1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
8. ATCTim - 1
9. NINJA - 1 ( possibly 2 if needed to complete this order )
10. Scooterroo-1
11. dmotoxrider-1
12. speedesign-1
13. Buster Brown -1
14. Autophysn-1
15. FastZ28-2
16. Aldochina-1
17.250Rulzes-1
18.The big three-1
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1. neo19672000 4170 bolt pattern X2
2. seadoo650 (just one, may increase if $$ improves)
3. devilman (just one, unless we get 23, then i will get another)
4. damageinc2785 {just one for the 85 250r}
5. tri-z pilot
6. honda250sx
7. Kintore for 1 (85/86 250r)
8. ATCTim - 1
9. NINJA - 1 ( possibly 2 if needed to complete this order )
10. Scooterroo-1
11. dmotoxrider-1
12. speedesign-1
13. Buster Brown -1
14. Autophysn-1
15. FastZ28-2
16. Aldochina-1
17.250Rulzes-1
18.The big three-1
19. The Goat
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I added my name to the list.

I'll pm everyone soon to see if this deal is actually a go or not... I'm sure some will back out.

Hey you .org guys! Someone please check the list over there for me... It takes to long to search for it on my phone!

[The Goat]

waiting on a respnse from the thread creator. It's only an issue if I have to have the rims all shipped to me and THEN shipped to everyone else. It may change the amount of shipping. If we can get pay the amount to the original gent outright (if his shop is local) and then he can ship.

If it's not a local shop, shouldn't be that big of a deal for them to ship me the rims.

[scooterroo]

just let me know where and when to send payment!!

[Billy Golightly]

The 10in wheels have always been like this for as long as I know of people that have been running them. Douglas/DWT has a standard shape wheel bell shape that they use for everything. Even when I bought the 2 halves from the sprint car company and welded my own halves together I had the same issue. But I don't think I had to take off nearly that much. I know the head of the stud on mine wasn't overlapping the outside like the one in your picture. Your right though DC, its not a direct bolt up fit, but this isn't an OEM part either, so I don't particularly expect it to. Thats my .02

[aaron7]

Heh, I was going to buy one if it was a bolt on deal... but that definately isn't!

[freaksfix]

Im not rying to highjack the tread, but im gonna..lol.. Has anyone ever seen an ITP 10 inch front wheel for the Honda ATC 250R, 4 on 170 bolt pattern 10 by 5 with a 2.5 offset? Ive only known of DWT and Michell wheels..

[Dirtcrasher]

Billy - I'm willing to bet I went .030 or a bit more than I had too. I was trying to get a uniform radius on all 4 grinds.....

If that bell was 1" larger, they'd be a perfect hub fit!

Then you could either shim the rim over and run the tire offset a bit (if your caliper is powder-coated or RARE!) or grind your caliper and center the tire perfect.

Mike and I bought ours for ice racing purposes so it's no big deal in our case. Tecate owners and other people may have a problem with modifying their parts though....

[scooterroo]

so this pertains to the honda hubs, does anyone know about the 86 t3 hub? i really dont feel like grinding on my hub just to make the thing fit, they just arent as common as the r's hubs to come by. has anyone inquired about itp rims? perhaps seeing if they can make them, i knwo they do offer a large bell 10" rim that 4x156, perhaps they could use the same large sized bell for the custom rims.

[Autophysn]

Heh, I was going to buy one if it was a bolt on deal... but that definately isn't!

Yeah, this does throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing. I really do not like the idea of having to remove that much material from the hub, In my opinion, it would make the hub much more prone to cracking and ultimately failing due to the stress on the surrounding are of the stud.

Bottom line, I am sure Dirtcrasher did not want to spoil the party, but I am going to have to seriously reconsider this one. I suppose the only way I would do it, is to get another hub, but damn, all I want is a aluminum rim up front so my rims are all the same color. Looks like I would save myself alot of time and effort if I simply went with a 350x rim up front.

I really would like to be able to go with the different tires available out there tho. Especially since I am a sand guy, I was thinking this would enable me to get a Skat Trak mohawk tire up front. Is there any info in that ITP rim as to if the same modifications would be needed to make it work like this Douglas rim?:wondering

[Autophysn]

Thank You Dirtcrasher! I truly appreciate the info!

[Billy Golightly]

I used the tapered lugs on mine that can be flipped around ( the OEM style I think it is) and are flat. There is no flange. I didn't have any issues. You *could* also drill them to accept a tapered nut if a person was so inclined.

[The Goat]

I was under the impression everyone already knew that...

Ask the guys who mx with these if there are cracking issues... My bet is no.

Kintore chime in!

[NINJA]

Thanks for that heads up DC! That's effin bullshnit to have to remove that much! I'm out on this deal. I can come up with something far better than that I'm sure. I've been talking to a couple machinist friends about making a custom front hub so that I can run a stock TRX gold 10" front wheel. I'm thinking this is the route I'm gonna go instead. I'm seriously concerned about that front hubs integrity with that much material removed. I know it's held up for some guys, but I'm not comfortable with it. Syko, is this how yours is with your custom made front wheel?

[Buster Brown]

:confused: Sorry to jump off too, but I'm out! I'll wait to find a better solution as well. NINJA, please let me (or all of us) know if your TRX 10" idea pans out! Thanks again for all who helped with this effort! DC, I appreciate your honest, down to earth info!!!! :)

[The Goat]

Lol I feel sorry for the guys who don't have one already...

[The Goat]

Just had a brain fart. Depending upon how you grinded them, they could be made to where the stress applied to the grinded portion would actually be transferred to the rim itself, thereby creating a hub that is thinner, but, when coupled with the ten inch rim fitted to touch,would be stronger than stock.

The thinnest point would be the strongest because the hub cannot break without going through the wheel.

[Autophysn]

do you mean by machining them for an exact fit? In other words, only what would be needed, and the trimmed portion actually resting up against the rim it'self?


wouldn't that place the load on the inner face of the rim, rather than the center section where it mounts up? In theory, it sounds good, but the rim was designed to accept the load off the center portion of the rim, by redirecting it's load, it may cause some thing weird to happen, wether it be premature wear or even bend the rim oddly. By placing the load on the inner face of the rim, it may actually cause it to bow out ward.

I don't know, just my warped mind at work at the end of another long night of fixing trucks. :beer:

I would still like to know if the ITP would work with out mods. ;)

[Billy Golightly]

I will get a picture of my hub, I put it in the lathe and got a nice rounded bevel around all the studs that as quite a bit of meat lef t.

[DeePa]

i dont see any issues with the front hub breaking...its only freewheeling up there...

[aldochina]

sorry guys, but I'm gonna have to bow out on this, I have no idea why they wouldnt just make the bell an inch bigger, to accept the stock hubs, seams alittle rediculous to be cutting and grinding your hubs to make them fit!! Thanks dirt, I woulda been pissed if I got the wheel and found this out for my self

[The Goat]

Hmm are the Douglas the same? I don't know of that's what you were using DC? I haven really looked at my rim that hard.

With the Douglas I thought you grind the hubs but your caliper works fine... That's on the 350x.

[Louis Mielke]

No offense but this wheel has been chased before and there are several threads already stating that the hub needs modified. All of the MX guys who have been running them up front are very happy with them.

The need to modify a front hub isn't that big of a hurtle and front hubs are pretty plentiful. I've got 3 350x hubs sitting in my basement doing nothing but collecting dust.

I also know for a fact that someone on this board, in this very thread, is pretty good with a lathe and would probably do the needed mods for people for a small fee, and shipping a hub with the bearings removed won't cost that much. I figure theres a shop down in florida who would jump at the chance if he received bearing free, CLEANED and DEGREASED hubs to run a batch through the lathe.

I don't quite understand why everyone was YEAH! I'll buy until they heard of this minor detail.

[The Goat]

Ronnie my box may contain more than my flywheel! Lol just kidding

[Louis Mielke]

:rolleyes: I was kinda thinking of someone else....lol

[Billy Golightly]

I'll do em for $5 a hub plus shipping cost back to whoever sends them. Heres how mine looks. Its a <5 minute job if you've got a lathe with a big enough swing.

[freaksfix]

I'll do em for $5 a hub plus shipping cost back to whoever sends them. Heres how mine looks. Its a <5 minute job if you've got a lathe with a big enough swing.


That right there is a man dedicated to helping fellow trikes out and not money.. Billy you need to get more than that man, you gotta coincider the time back and forth to the post office and boxing this stuff up too.. helping is one thing but stepping on your own toes is another..

[Billy Golightly]

That right there is a man dedicated to helping fellow trikes out and not money.. Billy you need to get more than that man, you gotta coincider the time back and forth to the post office and boxing this stuff up too.. helping is one thing but stepping on your own toes is another..



:lol: :lol: Well, never I was the sharpest tool in the shed.


It just seems ashame to me that there seems to be number of people turning down this chance over such a small and slight modification. You guys will be kicking yourselves in the butts a year down the road when you start looking at new front tires and realize there aint jack for the ole 11in rim anymore. I don't blame DC or anything for bringing this up, because it is a fact that it has to be done like Louis has mentioned, but its not THAT big of a deal. Not to me atleast :confused:

[honda250sx]

Its not like someone is asking you to buy the rim and a gold plated solid billet custom hub too. This is a simple operation thats going to take as stated 5 minutes to do. Everyone has a local machine shop. I service thousands of them daily. You can take this in and its not going to take long at all to do. We get close enough to order and everyone quivers at the sound of a little work.

ITS CUSTOM. Like douglas is going to say yeah will build a custom rim that we dont have a diemold for the size bell you want and yeah we will only need 25 wheels. Yeah right. There gunna tell you to piss up a rope. Lucky there even doing anything at this point.

[Billy Golightly]

DC, I am NOT upset that you made the post about it. I myself WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION that anyone who was wanting a 10in wheel had done some research and knew that this was required. Apparently, I was wrong. I'm not trying to be a smart ass or a dickhead about it, its just that I never figured this would be a deal breaker for people. To me its no different then bending a cotter pin over a castle nut, its just part of the process required to use it.

Perhaps I'm taking that for granted though.

[The Goat]

DC as I said above...I honestly thought that everyone knew this as well.

I was more than willing to break out the hack saw and then grinding wheel pre powder...since billy has graciously offered to do it the right way, I'm going to be sending it to him.

a kenda front max is nice and all...depending on how much you ride, it's a perfectly viable option to some.

for me...my bike will literally be my DAILY rider. a 10 inch rim with increased tire availability isn't an accessory...it's a necessity.

I was also willing to pick up a second rim, just in the evernt that my rim is one day damaged. This hobby will eventually slow down as parts dry up...that's sad. But if it's easier for me to get a 10in rim now than it will be 20 years down the road...you can be damned sure I'm going to do it now.

[Saul]

To the people that are backing out, thats your choice and it's not my intention (HOW MANY FKNG TIMES MUST I SAY THIS!!) to stop this group buy....

I'm about to delete every FKNG thing I've posted here and let it roll where it rolls...................

Try not to have a stroke bro.

[freaksfix]

Just a bit of info for the T3 guys and there rare hubs. A 250R hud is a dirtect bolton and very plentyful and save you T3 hub for when you wanna put your stock wheel back on..


The hole hub grinding bit is no big deal to me either, but like DC said some cant do it. But if you cant do it then you need to learn or pony up and pay someone to do it, whatever the cost maybe.. Your playing with 20 year old bikes and parts are hard to come by, it might be time to learn how to work on them or get a second job to pay someone else to..


As far as if its safe or not.. Look at the OTC's bikes 90% of them are running these rims and turned down hubs and these guys are out MX'en every weekend with no damage reports yet.. Its safe to say the turned down hub is not going to fail.. Most of us have seen these guys on the MX track at TF and have seen the air these guys are getting with no damage. Now chances are if you dont have a 10 inch wheel yet you aint MX'en so your not going to be getting as much air as these wheels have already held up to..

[Mosh]

GUYS!GUYS!GUYS!

I wouldn't back out on the order.If the cost was a lil more affordable, I would be buying some.

If you think grinding a hub is a PITA.....

Try Having a Bigbore Z jug off and on and engine 3 times, and Try Bolting and unbolting a TRI-Z coolhead 6 times, just for the sake of making sure everything goes well.
Or how about finding a new replacement rotor that fits the Z, taking the axle out of the carrier a few times for fitment.....

I had a Z motor apart every other week for almost a year trying to get bugs worked out with The new Z parts that were being made.

Come on, it aint that big of deal to make these rims fit.

And I have personally seen these "modified" hubs go 10 feet up in the air and 30 feet out off jumps and take the heat. Lap after lap

[Mr. Clean]

Here is a pic of my hub after I ground it down to make it fit in the douglas wheel. As you can see material had to be removed to accommodate the smaller rim.


http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=42775&d=1173275216

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=74526&d=1234999216

I dont see where the problem is, the opportunity for more tire options is worthy of buying one.

[Mosh]

What is the price of these again?

[seadoo650]

Well. I'm still in. I've personally seen Derrick, Kintore, jake the snake and Derrick Adams run these rims and have no probs with ground hubs. Can someone update the list so we know where we stand please.

[Dirtcrasher]

You have to grind the hub lugs down some, about 3MM or so must be ground away from the hub lugs and you need a plain nut as the flanged nuts I HAD rubbed on the rim.

A lathe will do a great job and keep it clean with the most material left but a sawzall/hacksaw and grinder will do the job. It would be good to have a spare hub you could modify and keep yours if it is a hard to get hub and or powdercoated.

The 350X hub I used on DEEPA's 250R had more material outside of the stud than most and to keep it looking nice, I cut more material off than necessary but you WILL have to cut and or grind some period.

If your thinking about using another models hub, just be aware that many of them change just a few millimeters here or there which can create problems with wheel/fork and disc brake alignment.

Small sacrifice to pay for allot more tire changes.....BUT, some of you didn't seem to be aware of it :D

OK?? Hope that fixes my involvement. I'm moving on to other projects.

[Louis Mielke]

I will also add in here DC none of my comment is meant ill towards you. I figured you knew that but I'll say it just in case. It was more towards those wanting to back out so suddenly.

[Autophysn]

WOW! this has gone here and there faster than lightening! Sheeesh~!

Ok, look, to some, it seems minor. To others it seems like a big deal. I think what everybody needs to understand, is that altho we all are trike enthusiast, and in return, we all must not be affraid of the occasional issue here and there. I mean for Pete's sake, they are over 20yrs old, and it is not like you can have any type of work done at your local dealer to boot.

I personally would like to thank DC for bringing the issue to light. As it has been stated before, many of you assumed that it was understood that some sort of modification will be needed, and Billy's offer to do the work is more than an honorable solution to those who do not have the tools or comfort level to do the job themselves. I myself was not aware of the modifications needed, and would have been pissed if I found out after buying it.

I for one, do not like the idea, but bottom line, I beleive Dammit had found out that Dunlop does not make the front tire anymore, and as parts get harder and harder to come by, these are the type of things we will be coming across for the next twenty years in trying to keep our bikes running.

I am still very interested, and will be happy to join in. I do beleive we need to get an updated list and see where we are with this thing, and see if we can even make the 25pc order mark.

My main concern lies in the front brake caliper. Is the offset of the new rim really that big of a deal? anyway, if others have been able to accomplish it, I am sure I will too.


so lets start a new list of those who are very well aware of the fact that there will be modifications need to make this rim work, and still agree on the price and shipping cost. I will take the initiative, this is simply because even though I have never met any of you guys, I feel you are genuin people and I think I can trust anyone who is willing to drive 2000 miles to deliver some bike to a fellow member. ;)


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[The Goat]

:naughty: awww what a touching endorsement. 2600 though...:w00t:

I'll do what I can. according to the original gent, the rim maker is out on the west coast...so they will all have to come to me...and then be shipped out. I think they make a priority box that big....which would mean a flat 10 bucks on shipping... plus 3 for insurance.

for those of you who are debating getting one...realize that sport tires are in VERY short supply for the 11in rims...and being able to buy ANY tire is very nice.

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[aldochina]

I dont mind grinding a hub, as they are plentiful, but what is the deal with the caliper, can someone please explain again what needs to be done with the 350x caliper, If its just a matter of shimming it thats fine, but I dont want to have to modify or grind the caliper itself. thanks

[NINJA]

Well guys, first off I'd like to apologize for "bailing out" so quickly on this one but allow me to explain. I was aware that the front hub and the caliper required grinding/machining to fit properly. However, I hadn't seen a pic that detailed and close up as DC had posted. Once I saw those pics I changed my mind, which I have every right to do. The bottom line is that I am picky about my Rs especially the one I'm building right now and I just don't like how that hub looks and am not comfortable with it being ground down that much. It would just bug me everytime I saw it, I'm very particular about the design of mechanical parts. I know Andy knows exactly what I'm talking about and he is the same way as me on this and that is most likely why he backed out too. I was under the impression from other peoples previous posts that it was only a miniscule amount of material that needed to be removed to make this work. From the looks of those pics it makes the hub look off balance and Nrigged. It's just something that would continually bug me if it was on mine. I'm going to pursue the custom made front hub route instead. I certainly didn't mean to offend you DC.

[Autophysn]

I dont mind grinding a hub, as they are plentiful, but what is the deal with the caliper, can someone please explain again what needs to be done with the 350x caliper, If its just a matter of shimming it thats fine, but I dont want to have to modify or grind the caliper itself. thanks

^^^^dido^^^^^^

I understand what you are saying Ninja, and would be very curious as to how Buster Brown feels about it myself. I don't think DC will take offense either, he was just trying to make sure people like myself, clueless ;) , understand that it is not just a bolt on item. I appreciated that. I may be wrong, but completely understand your possition as well. By the way, if you do find that custom hub your are looking for, can you post a picture of it? That may also be something I would be interested in, if it where designed to fit a 10" douglas rim like this one we are talking about, and have no brake problems either. :)

[The Goat]

Ok the 350x I was told there isn't any grinding on the caliper... That's on the Douglas wheel. Idk about these.

[Mr. Clean]

Here is a thread that describes exactly what has to be done with both the hub and caliper to get the 10 inch rim to work. There are also some good photos.

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=47281&highlight=250r+front+rim

[Billy Golightly]

Well guys, first off I'd like to apologize for "bailing out" so quickly on this one but allow me to explain. I was aware that the front hub and the caliper required grinding/machining to fit properly. However, I hadn't seen a pic that detailed and close up as DC had posted. Once I saw those pics I changed my mind, which I have every right to do. The bottom line is that I am picky about my Rs especially the one I'm building right now and I just don't like how that hub looks and am not comfortable with it being ground down that much. It would just bug me everytime I saw it, I'm very particular about the design of mechanical parts. I know Andy knows exactly what I'm talking about and he is the same way as me on this and that is most likely why he backed out too. I was under the impression from other peoples previous posts that it was only a miniscule amount of material that needed to be removed to make this work. From the looks of those pics it makes the hub look off balance and Nrigged. It's just something that would continually bug me if it was on mine. I'm going to pursue the custom made front hub route instead. I certainly didn't mean to offend you DC.


Did you see the difference between my Hub, and DCs? Are you still concerned about it?

[NINJA]

Why doesn't everyone else just grab their torch and pitchfork?! WTF! I think I explained myself fairly well and logically on this and I even went as far as apologizing for backing out. If everyone wants to lynch me for something as small as backing out on an already uncertain and shaky group buy then have at it! I thought it would be better and honest to just back out now and tell everyone, then wait till the day of the order and simply not respond. I know alot of people have done that one in the past. I recall an instance where a bunch of people said they wanted white 1st gen T3 fenders and put their names on a list but then when the time came a good member of ours got stuck with all those sets of fenders and only about 2 people came through on the deal.

And no Billy I haven't seen the picture of your hub, I looked but I couldn't find, maybe because I'm pissed off right now. You know what, FINE F**K IT! I'll order one of those custom rims so everyone will get off my ass!

[Billy Golightly]

http://3wheelerworldforums.com/showpost.php?p=710308&postcount=70

I'm not trying to start a lynch mob or anything...I'm just trying to make sure that everyone that was convinced they didn't want to buy because of the hub mods understands how minor these modifications actually are. I'm not twisting your arm or putting my foot in your ass to make the order. I just want you, and everyone else second guessing their purchases to be FULLY INFORMED CONSUMERS. If you know and understand the whole issue and you still dont want it, then thats fine. Just know what your working with is all I'm asking.

[DeePa]

roid rage for sure

[Dirtcrasher]

It all started because when I offered to "sell my rim" I got an email from a member inquiring about the rim and when I mentioned grinding the hub he said "WTF?? I thought you just had to grind the caliper a bit. I already powder coated my hub and don't want to buy another one."

He said his "friend" who is also on the rim list, didn't know anything about that either....

If people back out based on my hubs picture, don't. I don't know how many more times I have to say that I probably took off too much to keep it uniform. I am an anal meticulous prick and I like my work to look professional.

If however you are backing out because you A) Don't have a spare hub to replace your recently powdercoated hub and cannot afford one. B) Have a rare TECATE hub which you don't wish to alter or C) Don't have the skills to alter your hub yourself and or the money to pay someone else. Then by all means think about your decision.


What Jeff said makes plenty of sense to me - Douglass is not going to make a new tool and die for 100 rims, there gonna use what they are already manufacturing.

I'd like to see the bolt pattern a bit smaller and a custom hub myself. Not because I'm afraid of a failure, but merely because a billet front hub would be pretty slick :beer

Group buys are difficult to say the least and frustrating. People lose jobs, people get sick, things happen and they back out. Then it's like pulling teeth to get the money out of people to pay ahead of time and wait 60 days for there item......

Some of us dump thousands every year on trikes and throwing a few hundred bucks around is nothing....

To me, if you jump in on a group buy, you had better know all your facts and ask all your questions prior to jumping in on the purchase. But, we don't always ask the right questions and merely "assume" that everything will go correctly. These are some of the small sacrifices we have to make to keep our trikes updated. Sometimes not everything is disclosed and sometimes people are misinformed but it's your choice to either roll with it, or keep buying and using older parts and dealing with whats available - until the day that EVERYTHING is gone and that will happen in time.......

All I wanted to do was talk about it and it was obviously going in a bad direction.

I am very sorry if this got out of hand because of my initial post.

I do not wish to be the "messenger" that screwed up this purchase.

Believe it or not, I was trying to be helpful. But you guys know me by now right? I'm not usually here helping out :rolleyes: is there a smiley for sarcasm?? :D

[The Goat]

Lol

Look here bitches... Nothing was ordered... No one is out of any time or money.

Thank you dirtcrasher for bringing the necessary modifications to everyones attention... better to have a few members jokingly going at it than ten pissed of people whining about it.

The hubs have withstood the torture tests... So if weakness is your issue, it isn't an issue.

For those of you who don't wish to grind on your rare hubs, that's fine too.

We can get 25 people willing to make a purchase, no worries. It'll just take slightly longer to assemble the list considering the added twenty bucks of shipping and having billy turn down the hubs is apparently the deal breaker ofthe decade for some.

Drop your pocket change in a drawer for a month... BAM! You have a properly machined hub.

In a roundabout way my pocket change for three months just bought me a 2000 big bear... It isn't hard to save 20 bucks... Even when you're scraping by like me.

[The big 3]

so there's a little bit of grinding involved..who cares its worth it

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[Billy Golightly]

I'm not ordering these so I don't know, but historically, they have all been for the 85-86 250R/350X front hub bolt pattern which is 4x170.

If your attempting to use another hub off of some other machine that isn't the same bolt pattern (I don't believe the Tecate is, could be wrong) then it WILL NOT bolt up to this rim unless you adapt and use a Honda hub.

[dmotoxrider]

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[Autophysn]

Ha Ha you guys are crazy!

I got to thinking, this would be a bitchin set up for my kids bike too, if I can make it work, some one had told me that the 200x front hub will work with a 1980 honda 110, with little mods. If that is true, and the 200x has the same bolt pattern as the 250r/350x, then I will be in for two. But that would still only put us at like 8 rims, Come on people, like they said, according to Billy and Chevy57harley79, they did theirs years ago,

Haven't had any major problems, right guys?

[Speedesign]

I'm still in for one.

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[scooterroo]

ok, well i dont want to go grinding my 86 t3's front hub, i dont care who says what and gets their panties in a knot because of that fact. i do see it mentioned that the 250r front hub will work on the 86 t3, which if it does isnt a problem, but then will i have a problem with the front brake setup? the disc, and caliper. will i need to buy them parts as well? whats the going price on these rims again?

[Mosh]

IF this order actually goes thru,Pencil me down for 1 rim.
I may back out in the end..I am 50-50 right now.

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[Dirtcrasher]

^ (Scooteroo) There ya go, thats basically the same problem expressed to me in an email I had gotten from another member. And how this all started......

I do not think any of these "modified" hubs would ever fail.

I think there running about 120$ each?? Someone else can confirm this....

[Autophysn]

yeah, that's kinda high, How much of a savings is it over you just ordering one yourself?

[Dirtcrasher]

So now your saying you didn't even know the price?? OH BOY!! :lol: :D

ID think you can buy them yourself, there custom and they needed a minimum order just like all these things we all want :rolleyes:

[Autophysn]

Well bro, early on in the thread they where saying around $100-$120 with shipping, that is when I asked what the diff is between what is usually on ebay, and Goat brought it to my attention about the diversity to be had when you use a 10" rim. I am a sand guy, and would love to run a mohawk up front. That is why I am interested, work involved or not.

Then Cvey59harley79 and Billy got involved and linked old threads, They where from 04, So it makes sense the price would change, but not that much. Back then according to their threads it was like $7? plus $30 for a custom fee. Something like a six to ten week wait.
Ok fine, so I figured that if we get a large order, the price would be realitively around there.
You mentioned you had one for $200, which ok, sounded kind of high, but reasonable, then I beleive you mentioned you had a bunch of people jumping on it who where PM'ing you. ( again, if memory serves me right, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed these days, LOL!)

BUt Never the less, several people here have asked time and time again, what the final price will be. I don't think anyone can get that quote until somebody talks to Douglas and gets a final qoute themselves. As of now, we are not even close. :(

If I had the money, I would do it as an investment and sell them on Ebay, but bottom line is the economy sucks, and out here, even the BLM is reporting record low numbers of people out riding for holiday weekends. So I think it would be poor timing. But something like this, I will pitch in and help to get it going. I am not gonna say I am going to back out, because of all the uncertainess that there has been here, but I may only choose to get one instead of Two. I really wanted to do something like what Edog did with that 90cc to my kids 110, but even though I haven't lost my job yet, Thank God! Who knows what is gonna happen. I could be four checks away from being thrown out on the street if at the worst.

That's all I am saying, not trying to back out. Just think that the whooooole purpose of this is to try and get the best price possible. That's all ;)

[Autophysn]

oh yeah, has anyone been able to check how much it would cost to make a single order?

I forgot, the point I was working towards with that is that you are on your own, then there's not a money or trust issue involved with anyone here on the site. That's all, If it would cost an extra $20, then it may be worth it for me or anyone else to just do it on your own at any time, and not have the potential for something to go wrong and there be bad blood between any of us.

I like it here, and value your guy's input, do not want to have any problems :)

[200x Basket]

you cant get just one.

THAT IS THE POINT.

[Billy Golightly]

From my understanding you can no longer order the wheels individually with the 6-8 week time frame like you could previously. Which was more or less the whole point of this group buy.

[honda250sx]

Regardless of the morons that can't use a grinder and and a hand file... but yet still manage to be able to start/ride a trike...that backed out because of this slight modification...

I WANT ONE :)

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so, if using the honda 250r front hub, does that mean i need to use the front rotor as well? are there any other mods needed for this to work? if i can find myself a 85 or 86 r hub, with the rotor, i want it, let me knwo what you have...

[Autophysn]

No problemo guys, I was just asking.

Only 11 orders, Come on guys!

[200x Basket]

you should be able to use the 86 t3 front hub. i will try it out today and let you know.

[scooterroo]

cool let me know!

[BigGreenMachine]

so this pertains to the honda hubs, does anyone know about the 86 t3 hub? i really dont feel like grinding on my hub just to make the thing fit, they just arent as common as the r's hubs to come by. has anyone inquired about itp rims? perhaps seeing if they can make them, i knwo they do offer a large bell 10" rim that 4x156, perhaps they could use the same large sized bell for the custom rims.

10 inch front wheel on the modified Tecate. Looks to be a stock front hub and brake Scott.

shens

[Autophysn]

them are some sweeet asss tecates there boy ummhmmmmmmm :drool:

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Now dog-gone it - this is the second time I have had to sign up for this list. I knew about the extra material that needed ground off the hub from the first one I bought.

I run this 10" wheel on my race 250R with a ground hub and I am a big boy - and have had no troubles at all!!!

I am just wondering how many others were on the first list in this thread that already know the ins and outs of this mod but are now not on the list as I was!!! :(

[The Goat]

brock sent me the contact info for the place, I'll speak to them and see what's going on.

He also pointed out we can inquire about a larger bell, it's a longshot, but worth it. Is one inch larger big enough?

[250rulzes]

Any update on the T3 fit?

[RID3R]

Im interested in one for my 86 tecate. Ill put my name down when some things get more cleared up though first... Ill grind my hub if needed but would rather not ofcourse.

[Autophysn]

IT certainly looks like one inch would be large enough

[TURBO1]

Hey guys, im new here been checking this site out for awhile & finally joined. You can put me down for

thanks!!!

[TURBO1]

Well guys i hope this thing doesnt die out, I might buy two >>> the more time goes by the more money I can save!! seems to me this might be a one time thing, so it would be nice to have an extra wheel in case I bend one ..

[The Goat]

Brock I need the info again, thought I had it saved in my needed pm folder only to find out 450 deletions later I did not

[Autophysn]

Bumpity bump bump

[Kintore]

fyi, I found a new in box rim local so I am OUT!

[The Goat]

info was deleted and never resent.

gotta buy a new shock, I'm also out.... no funds

[scooterroo]

still in, just need to know when this is gonna happen, if its ever going to.

[TURBO1]

Hey guys, Im gonna try to modify a 10-6 wheel--- drill it out to 170mm bolt pattern and see if it works.. the wheel only cost me $50 so if I ruin it no big loss I guess! i think it 'll make a cool lamp shade!!!!!!!!!! HA

[Dirtcrasher]

Hey guys, Im gonna try to modify a 10-6 wheel--- drill it out to 170mm bolt pattern and see if it works.. the wheel only cost me $50 so if I ruin it no big loss I guess! i think it 'll make a cool lamp shade!!!!!!!!!! HA


I put up a topic about this a week or so ago.

Dennis Kirk had a 10" x 7" rim .190 Douglass for about 50 or 60$. Because it was Douglass, you can drill 4 new holes in it (that is if you measure very carefully)

6" may be a hair narrow though....

If it works, I think it's a great option.

[TURBO1]

Cool I didnt know that, i wonder if that 10-7 wheel has a has 3.5-3.5 backspace, i know the douglas i ordered has a 3-3 and i think thats a tight fit on the caliper side, don't know if that extra .5 would clear.... thanks for the info!!

[Autophysn]

ahhhhh, this damn recession!!!!!!!

So far I am still in, but things are getting shaky at the job :(

[Dirtcrasher]

Cool I didnt know that, i wonder if that 10-7 wheel has a has 3.5-3.5 backspace, i know the douglas i ordered has a 3-3 and i think thats a tight fit on the caliper side, don't know if that extra .5 would clear.... thanks for the info!!


No, it's 3 and 4..... I think I mentioned in that post that you would need 1/2" spacers to center it.

It may not even be an option but I haven't gotten any other input from anyone else....

[seadoo650]

For now I am gonna have to bow out of this. It seems like it's gonna be awhile and I've got other projects to attend to. I'll watcht he thread and if the time gets close and others are needed i may throw my hat back in the ring. But for now I cannot commit 100&#37;.

[Autophysn]

come on now, so is the quest over now??????????????

[RID3R]

Still interested here.......

[SYKO]

why dont you guys get a rim made? I took a 10 inch rear rim to a machine shop they cut it put it on a lathe and rewelded it, it was perfect when done cost me less then $75 including the price of a new rim and only took a week plus waiting on the shipping.

[RID3R]

Thought about it, but dont know about the bolt pattern..

[SYKO]

its call drill it out! I lined up the hub did some measurments and drilled the wheel out, first time was the charm.

[scooterroo]

gosh darn it, hahahaha. i am still in on this, but lost faith it will ever happen. alls i need is a damn 10 inch rim so i can put my flatt track tire on front, bike wont look right wiht out it!!!!