I like to do things the hard way!

[chris200x]

:rolleyes: It seems nothing ever goes rite for me when messing with these old wheelers.

A few weeks back I shook the swinger bolt loose.. then when I went to replace it I cracked the gusset on the frame where the bolt mounts to. :lock:

So I decided to tear everything down and finally swap out frames.. (I've been putting this task off since before xmas..) and now I'm starting to realize why!

The bottom motor mount bolt was froze solid. even after soaking it with penetrating oil for 4 days the *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* still wouldn't budge. So I took the cut off wheel to it.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild013.jpg
Now the problem is I still have to deal with the bolt. (looking for suggestions!)

So here's where I'm out now. Still lots of work to do.. and I'm still in need of some parts.. and waiting for some to arrive as well.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild015.jpg
here's the new rattle can frame awating all new bearings from dads. :cool:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild010.jpg

[pickleweasel_00]

try grinding the head off the bolt, should come out then with a hammer or a punch. Or use an impact... It will either come loose or twist in half, either way you're good :)

[chavo80]

try grinding the head off the bolt, should come out then with a hammer or a punch. Or use an impact... It will either come loose or twist in half, either way you're good :)

that what i always do.......take a GRINDER to it>thanks for posting pics im sure everone like to see what projects other have going on>gl with you swap!

[Erics350x]

did you try a 1/2in impact?

[Daddio]

A guy I used to work with had a 250r engine that had been removed from the frame in the same manner as yours was. He sold it to 1upfront for cheap because of this. We tried to get the bolt out every way that we could think of and had no luck so we took it to my dads shop and put the engine in a milling machine and drilled the bolt out. This engine was a one season engine, They rode it a few times in 81' got scared and never got back on it. :crazy: So it was well worth the effort to get the bolt out without ruining anything. Aside from the lower engine bolt it was like brand new inside and out. It was still on the original bore and still had hone marks on the cylinder. :cool:
Good luck. I hope you don't have as much trouble as we did.
P.S. When you put it back together use anti-seize compound on all of the engine bolts.

[chris200x]

A guy I used to work with had a 250r engine that had been removed from the frame in the same manner as yours was. He sold it to 1upfront for cheap because of this. We tried to get the bolt out every way that we could think of and had no luck so we took it to my dads shop and put the engine in a milling machine and drilled the bolt out. This engine was a one season engine, They rode it a few times in 81' got scared and never got back on it. :crazy: So it was well worth the effort to get the bolt out without ruining anything. Aside from the lower engine bolt it was like brand new inside and out. It was still on the original bore and still had hone marks on the cylinder. :cool:
Good luck. I hope you don't have as much trouble as we did.
P.S. When you put it back together use anti-seize compound on all of the engine bolts.

Thanks for the tips guys. I've been beating on it with a 5lb hammer and it still aint moving. I'm afraid of bustin up the cases. :rolleyes:

I dont have an imapct either. Is it safe to heat the bolt?

[SWIGIN]

A guy I used to work with had a 250r engine that had been removed from the frame in the same manner as yours was. He sold it to 1upfront for cheap because of this. We tried to get the bolt out every way that we could think of and had no luck so we took it to my dads shop and put the engine in a milling machine and drilled the bolt out. This engine was a one season engine, They rode it a few times in 81' got scared and never got back on it. :crazy: So it was well worth the effort to get the bolt out without ruining anything. Aside from the lower engine bolt it was like brand new inside and out. It was still on the original bore and still had hone marks on the cylinder. :cool:
Good luck. I hope you don't have as much trouble as we did.
P.S. When you put it back together use anti-seize compound on all of the engine bolts.



sound like a good way to atack

but i would try heat and a press first.....then drill away..lol

[Daddio]

We tried heating the bolt. We tried heating the case where the bolt goes through and an air hammer to try to drive it through and the end of bolt just started to mushroom so we drilled it out. The drill bit was around $20.

[chris200x]

OK worse case senerio here.. Do I even need to use that mount. there's four other mounting points around the motor. One of which is on the front of the motor in the down tube. :idea:

I took the nut off a while ago (months acually) and have been periodically spraying it before riding. In hopes the vibration from the motor would shake it loose. no luck tho.

[Dammit!]

Is that my old frame?

[chris200x]

If you sold an 86 frame to deepa than yes.. he gave me a frame when we did the trade.

[pickleweasel_00]

don't know for sure if you would need it or not, if it were me I would use it. Worse comes to worse, any machine shop could get it out. Probably not to expensively either

[Dammit!]

If you sold an 86 frame to deepa than yes.. he gave me a frame when we did the trade.

Yep that'd be the one. I ended up wishing I hadn't sold it. My frame has a nice little twist to it. I should have kept that one.

[chris200x]

Yep that'd be the one. I ended up wishing I hadn't sold it. My frame has a nice little twist to it. I should have kept that one.

I'll sell my old one! :lol:

I had the subframe gusseted up on this one. should be good and strong now. :naughty:

[Dirtcrasher]

The 350X engine is already so heavy that it creates enough problems. I would most definitely make sure to use that bolt, look where dickin around has got ya so far!! - lol.....

[tbirdscott]

Buy a couple GOOD drill bits (not home depot crap) and drill it out, thats the only option. I've spent hours trying to drive out stubborn bolts like this before and you will likely get nowhere.


Scott

[hondahaulic]

I would find a buddy with an impact, or just get a big cheater bar on a wrench or a rachet and go to town. If you get the bolt spinning it should surely hammer out then.

[sblt500r]

you always make me laugh!

whats next? are you gonna cut the swinger up to get the shock out!:lol:

it might have been easier if you kept the engine in the frame while you tried to get that bolt out, use the frame as a holding fixture.

use an oxy acyt torch and heat the bolt up red hot on both ends, the heat will travel down the bolt and hopefully loosen it up, then try and bang on it to loosen it up.

[Bryan Raffa]

dont rush this one like the tri-z or it will never be right untill you trade it:wondering

Im watching so I can pick on your honda:shiftyeyes:

[Big Lebowski]

I have a 250sx like this. I bought it cheap as it was listed as a "beater". I have improved it with lots of money but not with out tons of aggravation. Every time I try and fix something or adjust something, it is either rusted all to hell and ready to break or it is already broken.

No kidding I actually broke a broken bolt remover bit on top of a broken bolt and the metal used to make the bits is so hard, I couldn't even get my regular bits to make a dent. I was so pissed I bought a whole new front fork section. Which is fine anyway. The forks were spent and leaking, had tons of broken bolts and even stripped out threads all over. What a mess!

Ultimately I bought a set of left handed bits and a tap and die set.

[chris200x]

:rolleyes: :lock: I picked up some stuff called Kroil. Hopefully this will work a bit better than the other stuff I've been trying. The bolt keeps mushrooming so I think its a lost cause. But I'll give this a shot (along with alot of heat) before I try anything else.

I'm going to have a few more questions so I thought I'd make this my official thread. :postwhore

First up is I wanna take the rear shock apart to sandblast and repaint the spring. Is it ok to disconnect that hose, or how do I go about doing this? :wondering

[Bryan Raffa]

oh NO!! not the shock....:eek: :lol:

[johnny's X]

Chris the bolts are a biotch when they are frozen. I spent 60 bucks on bits to get mine out and it still didnt work. I finaly took the cut off wheel and cut the case to get it out. I had a really clean cut so welding it back on was not a problem. Trust me this was my last senario. I didnt cut into the case were is hold oil I just cut what I needed to. 1 year later and a ton of rides and it holds up perfect. I took my time when doing it and the welds are nice.

[GoodKarma]

First up is I wanna take the rear shock apart to sandblast and repaint the spring. Is it ok to disconnect that hose, or how do I go about doing this? :wondering

Chris, you can unscrew the "2 nuts" that compress the spring, and when you get the tension off the spring, then at the bottom is a plate that will come off, and allow you to slide the spring off the bottom............if that makes sense!

[the great gazoo]

Good luck buddy, I hope you have it running by the time I get up there. BTW, the new(er) frame looks great!:lock: :welcome:

[DeePa]

chris, as much as i loved that bike, if i had kept it, i would be posting this thread right now....

sooo. yamajunk is in the lead once again. Enjoy those rusted up HONDAS...they run so long you dont have to take them apart and they stick it right up your ASS!!!!!!

[chris200x]

Buahaa!! :crazy: I'd rather push my rusty ole honda than ride one of those...:naughty:

Well I got the swingarm and axle off and getting ready to go back on. rear shock is ready to go. :w00t: just waitin on some axle bearings so hopefully everything else will go smoothly.

I like wrenchin on these things but sometimes it can be a real pita. the end result is what makes it all worth while. :welcome:

..Oh, still can't get that motor mount bolt out either. :(

[tri-Z ripper]

Chris did you try the freeze off its new crap and its worked wonders for me tore down my RM in an hour with the help of it literally freezes the bolt or what have you to shrink it that little bit to get it out cut off the mushroom part of the bolt blast it with freeze off and try again it might be what your looking for!!

[Huffa]

Buahaa!! :crazy: I'd rather push my rusty ole honda than ride one of those...:naughty:

Well I got the swingarm and axle off and getting ready to go back on. rear shock is ready to go. :w00t: just waitin on some axle bearings so hopefully everything else will go smoothly.

I like wrenchin on these things but sometimes it can be a real pita. the end result is what makes it all worth while. :welcome:

..Oh, still can't get that motor mount bolt out either. :(

:lol: Was it rebuilt ?

[chris200x]

:lol: Was it rebuilt ?

The shock? NO. but atleast I took this one apart and didn't just cover it up with a shock cover. How do you set these things for my wait? :confused:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild020.jpg

Here's a few progress pics.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild017.jpg

Hey deepa, did you replace the rear bearings fairly recenty? I bought new ones but these still look tight. and I only want to do this once. lol

here's a close up of the frame gussets :naughty:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild019.jpg

I was considering powder coat, but decided to go rattle can style. I'm already regreating the spraybomb as everything gets scratched all to hell putting it back together. :rolleyes:

....and then there's this nitemare yet.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild021.jpg

I think I'm just going to cut it and run it.

I'm also thinking bout sandblasting the motor but am kind hesitant to do so. I wouldn't want sand getting inside. What do you guys use to block openings up? what about parts like brake discs and calipers. I guess I'd have to remove all the little rubber boots and whatnot? I'm kinda new to the whole sandbasting thing. any pointers?

[brrcuda]

That carrier is aftermarket. I think he replaced it like 3 rides before he traded you - i remember one ride he rebuilt the swinger. double rows probably.

[chris200x]

owell looks as if I have a spare set of bearings now lol.

Dammit! I just noticed something while browsing ebay. anyone notice this diffrence between this one and mine. :rolleyes: I guess that matters dont it. :lol: :banned:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-honda-ATC-350x-complete-Rear-shock-system_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43974QQihZ005QQi temZ150249492041QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotoh osting

[edog]

You could make some block off plates out of some plate alluminum stock.
Then you could let others use them or buy them for there motors.


What have you tried to get the cut bolt out?

[Bryan Raffa]

chris it good too finally see you getting some where.. I would recommend heating the case around the bolt slowly with a Ocx/Act... torch then use a air hammer very slowly ..dont pull the trigger all at once..if ya know what I mean..if you cant do it take it too some one who has those tools. the combination of the heat and repeated blows of the air hammer will pop that right out.:)

[YTM200BOY]

sexy new frame!

[DeePa]

chris, funny comment about covering your old shock hahaha

Yeah, that carrier is an aftermarket one. RAD I think. I think its double row too. Just look at the width of the bearings. I know that it is not tapered. I had to replace after a ride because the bearings were pretty loose, then i let paul ride it, and it shot the balls out of the carrier hahaha.

You gotta get that bolt out. You have way too much bolt to play with to not try harder. If it doesnt work, hacksaw a line parallel to the bolt in the cases on the bottom. Get through to the bolt, and get some oil in there a few times a day and let it sit for a week. Once you get the bolt out, have someone weld it up. Since the cut is on the bottom, and skinny, it doesnt have too much stress on it. Once you throw a bead on there youre all set.

Oh and that shock always felt in really good shape. only bottomed it a few times

Looking really good. gonna be really jealous when its done.

Mike

[Dirtcrasher]

I would NOT sandblast, beadblast or otherwise that motor while it's together. You can only do that to a bare bones case.

Too bad, I could mill that bolt out like butter in a microwave....

Get it out of there or it will come back to haunt you. That area of the cases is thick, just get some good bits, have a friend help eyeball the drills straight and drill it out of there.

[chris200x]

I would NOT sandblast, beadblast or otherwise that motor while it's together. You can only do that to a bare bones case.

Too bad, I could mill that bolt out like butter in a microwave....

Get it out of there or it will come back to haunt you. That area of the cases is thick, just get some good bits, have a friend help eyeball the drills straight and drill it out of there.

yeah thats what I thought about the motor. I'll save that fro when it needs a rebuild.

I've been callin some places to find out who can remove this bolt but everyones gone for the holiday. :rolleyes: I'd rather pay someone to do it than deal with it. :lol:

does it matter that the spring is on upside down on my rear shock? :rolleyes:

[chris200x]

I drilled it out a bit but broke the case. Now I'll go sit in the yard and drink beer. :pics:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild035.jpg
It should be a roller in the next day or two (depending on how aggrivated I get..)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild038.jpg
...and yes I changed the spring on the shock. :lol:

[Dirtcrasher]

It's looking good Chris, wish I could be there to help ya. Seems like your always battling something. Live and learn.....

Gotta get yourself set up for powder coating too, real easy stuff and DURABLE!

Soon I'll have a 4 x 4 oven and I'll be able to shoot frames, mine included.

Good luck with the rest of the agrivations!!

[GoodKarma]

WOW, the progress thus far looks fookin' GREAT Chris!:w00t: :beer

[edog]

I love the red swingarm.Reminds me of the 87 200X.

[Huffa]

Chris, I have a 350X whole botom end that a guy has for me, it's up in NY though.

He sold me parts that he identified wrong and said I could have it for nothing, whether he still has it I will have to email him and find out because that was back when I got those 350X white fenders and frame and wrong parts :lol:

[DeePa]

chris, get those cases from huffa, and overhaul the motor while youre at it.

yeah i know it ran great, and compression is good, but you have it out now, do it up right

[chris200x]

You think I'm made of money? :lol: This rebuild is going something along the lines of "if it ain't broke dont fix it" When the time comes for an engine rebuild I'll do it up rite. In the meantime if anyone has a good bottom end let me know. I also just put an add in the classifieds for a kicker.

Come to think of it now I'm nor sure how I'll get the cases apart if they ever have to be split. more than half that bolt is still inside the cases. :rolleyes:

here's a crappy pic of the motor.. awaiting all new SS bolts. :Bounce

Edit: Can the stock case saver still be used with a 14 tooth front sprocket? up one tooth from stock I mean?

[GoodKarma]

Can the stock case saver still be used with a 14 tooth front sprocket? up one tooth from stock I mean?

I use a stock case saver with 14 front. It's snug, but it works fine:beer

[edog]

You give rattle can a bad name.lol

[Huffa]

In the meantime if anyone has a good bottom end let me know.

:wondering I just did let you know, did you miss that ?

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showpost.php?p=624636&postcount=43

[chris200x]

I'm thinkin it may be easier.. and cheaper to have that shipped than to drive up there. lol. let me know if you ever get it, or I can send money and have it shipped to here.

[kilabeez0]

I cant believe you did all that. This thread should be linked to every time someone runs across the old frozen engine bolt. The only way to get these out sometimes is an IMPACT HAMMER. I got some cheap craftsman one and it got my 400ex bolt out no problem. I had tried everything and as soon as the impact hit it all my problems went away. For those that say "I dont have the money" go rent one with a compressor. Look at how much money he threw away heating and drilling it out.

Not to bag on ya man, I know you did what you could, but this is the result of people trying to save a few bucks. It's just not worth it.

[edog]

I cant believe you did all that. This thread should be linked to every time someone runs across the old frozen engine bolt. The only way to get these out sometimes is an IMPACT HAMMER. I got some cheap craftsman one and it got my 400ex bolt out no problem. I had tried everything and as soon as the impact hit it all my problems went away. For those that say "I dont have the money" go rent one with a compressor. Look at how much money he threw away heating and drilling it out.

Not to bag on ya man, I know you did what you could, but this is the result of people trying to save a few bucks. It's just not worth it.

Well said,rite tool for the rite job.

[chris200x]

Hey now ,,, wait just a minute! It was me that wanted to just cut it off flush and leave well enough alone. If I would of went with my plan.. I wouldnt have a cracked case rite now,, so you two nay sayers can kiss my white american ass! LMAO!!! lol.

[kilabeez0]

if you used an impact hammer first you wouldn't have had to cut anything anywhere, and would still have that other frame.

[Mrs.Mosh]

It looks like you are incorporating "Unga Boonga" tactics:wondering :lol:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m40/cosmicquads/435_captain_caveman.jpg
CAPTAIN CAAAAAAVE MAAAAAAN!!

[GoodKarma]

It looks like you are incorporating "Unga Boonga" tactics:wondering :lol:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m40/cosmicquads/435_captain_caveman.jpg
CAPTAIN CAAAAAAVE MAAAAAAN!!

LOL, that's funny, I don't care who you are!

Hang in there Chris! It's NEVER easy rebuilding something as old as these are. Get your Hillbilly Skills fine tuned, and you'll get the old beast up and running in no time:beer

[chris200x]

lol... Would some one be kind enough to post a pic of the rear end for me. specically the carrier, brake disk hub and the brake caliper mount thingy... I dont remember how it all goes back together.

I'm just gonna run the motor the way it is withgout the mount. when it come time for a rebuild I'll deal with it then lol

[edog]

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h196/edog_02/Untitled-1copy-3.jpg

[Mrs.Mosh]

lol..Chris, it's all in good fun. You know I like ya, but you left the door wide open for that one. I couldn't resist!:lol:

I do feel for you, and hope the rest of the build goes well for you.:beer

[GoodKarma]

lol... Would some one be kind enough to post a pic of the rear end for me. specically the carrier, brake disk hub and the brake caliper mount thingy... I dont remember how it all goes back together.

I'm just gonna run the motor the way it is withgout the mount. when it come time for a rebuild I'll deal with it then lol

Not sure exactly what you're lookin' for Chris, but here's pics I snapped to try and help you out:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/gdkarma1/100_1631.jpg

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/gdkarma1/100_1633.jpg

[chris200x]

here's what I'm talking about. does this look as if Its going togehter correctly. Still waintg on the RAD nut for on the nd too.

Edit: looking at the pics mike posted I think I have the disc hub backwards.:confused: but I'm not sure whaich way the brake mount thingy goes.

[Dirtcrasher]

Wow, you really don't even have a manual do you??.......................:(

No wonder your cutting crap off :lol:

[chris200x]

lol.. I got one in my hard drive but cannot tell wich way that bracket and those other parts go.

I usually take pictures before hand, but only took them of the wire harness and connections this time. (oyu guys are lucky on that one) it would of been a 30 page thread easily... LMAO!!!

[chris200x]

I've been workin my ass off so I haven really had time to work on this much. My bolt kit from the FASTNERGUY arrives so I got to work immidiatly... (that dude's SS bolt kits are definitly worth the price!)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild060.jpg

I'm still runninging into a ton of problems tho.. and its one big PITA when threre's noone around to lend a had. So this is going slower than I hoped. This is a great way to deal wwith those stubborn rusted bolts... :lol: :w00t:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild055.jpg
But all kidding aside,, I should have the motor in (yes without that bottom motor mount!) and it rollin around the garage by the end of the weekend.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild058.jpg
As soon as I get this biatch runnin'... your all invited down to Hazleton for a ripper. I hope to have it going 100% within the next week or two! (mark your calenders bitchez!) :beer :welcome:

[chris200x]

I'm still looking for a good tight kickstater and I wanted to ask you guys about this ebay seller...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120247255157&rd=1

Seeems like a killer price but I've emailed him twice and have had no response. That rite there throws up a big red flag for me.. but the price seems too good to pass up. Anyone deal with this guy before. I just cannot locate the proper metric bolts to run with these 3 inch wheel spacers I have. So if any of you guys know somewhere... PLEASE post up a link!

Sorry for my speeilng.. but the crown royal has kicked in! w00t!

[Bryan Raffa]

satin black with gloss red looks killer!!!:D

[chris200x]

Your darn tootin' dude.. and it will be killer when finished. Its just getting to that point thats the hard part. Honstly, I've spent more on the proper tools in the last two weeks than in parts. Thinkin it would make life easier but it's still a struggle,,,

No matter tho,, Its worthit in the long run I figure.

HEY RAFFA,,, I'm already lookin forward to the lake freezin this year!!!! I'll bring the ultimate squatter this time round! w00t! just wish I had somethin to keep up with you smokers.. HEY DEEPA wana trade back? LMAO!!!!

Couple more pics cause I know edoggy is jonesin'.. the workshop. Still tryin to hook myself up here at home. but I have acces to a full machine shop and sand blaster at work. Great part is I work alone 3rd shift. sO I have it all to myself. wish I knew how to use half the stuff there lol
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild057.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild064.jpg

[Brockey]

Looking good man. Like someone else said, the satin black and red is perfect. Keep her going.

[GoodKarma]

Dammmmmmmn, look at all that room to work in! I've not had the luxury of working in something that big............................no you're bringin' me down:lol:

I like the color choices too!:beer

[DeePa]

why dont you drop it off to my place in ri, ill finish it for you correctly, and then ill drop it back off at your house?

get that motor bolt out please

[edog]

why dont you drop it off to my place in ri, ill finish it for you correctly, and then ill drop it back off at your house?

get that motor bolt out please

I give that Z till the fall then it will blow up.:eek:

[Dirtcrasher]

Yes, most 2 strokes that are ridden and ridden hard DO in fact blow up in time. It's amazing how when a 2 stroke just sits there day after day that it lasts forever. I myself, like DEEPA, prefer to ride the hell out of our machines and not just post pretty pictures to portray the assumption that someone is actually a good mechanic and also a rider.

I really think you belong on a 4x4 quad or something EDOG :lol

[edog]

Yes, most 2 strokes that are ridden and ridden hard DO in fact blow up in time. It's amazing how when a 2 stroke just sits there day after day that it lasts forever. I myself, like DEEPA, prefer to ride the hell out of our machines and not just post pretty pictures to portray the assumption that someone is actually a good mechanic and also a rider.

I really think you belong on a 4x4 quad or something EDOG :lol

Don't you have a motor to build or something?lol

Yes you like to ride the hell out of your trikes.But you forgot to mention you like to drown them too.:D

[DeePa]

if you look at all of the problems that i have had with the z...its mostly bad luck

first one, needed race gas, blew up 2 hrs in due to detonation

second one, cylinder head stud pulled out, returned the cylinder

third one, chris's old trike, waterpump impeller failed, blew up...i still think that it was broken for 2 winter rides, and finally went at the end of the 3rd winter ride. A liquid cooled 2 stroke that was air cooled for 3 rides and almost lasted all of them seems pretty good to me.

fourth one, dropped a screw/washer into crank area, got screw out, forgot about washer, seized up, but no damage. Shawn split the cases and good to go.

Now that both impellers are pinned, both have fresh top ends with compression numbers that are fine for race gas, and bottom ends that are great shape. Both are finally jetted spot on, and there isnt much else that can go wrong.

Come out for a ride and ill let you take one of my bikes for a day. LEave your pretty r at home and beat on my trike. Your opinion will change on them without a doubt.

Even with that offer, i know that youll never come out for a ride.

[chris200x]

Even with that offer, i know that youll never come out for a ride.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lock:

MY good buddy Mr. Huffa scored me a bottom end already. that ole man is on the ball! :D :beer Looks as if I'll be riding a four wheeler for a while now.. :rolleyes: till I fix all this stuff the rite way. No biggie tho.. I'd rather wait and do it rite the first time.

[chris200x]

ya need to check your regular email bud. I just walked in the door from being out most of the day.

Looks to be in fine shape! thanks buddy!

[Huffa]

ya need to check your regular email bud. I just walked in the door from being out most of the day.

Looks to be in fine shape! thanks buddy!

Welcome!

I deleted that thread.

I was actually surprised when I saw it, paint looks pretty spiffy yet, wonder why it was taken apart in the 1st place ???

[chris200x]

I would guess since the head is missing someone put the oil filter in the wrong way. I know thats a pretty common problem with these motors..

I never fully rebuilt a 4 stroke motor.. how much am I looking at here? new everything of coarse.

Gonna try this myself this time around.(bout time I learn). well except for the honing and the crank bearings or whatever... anyone have a manual in paperback? :D

Her's the other pics Gary sent.. The top end dont look bad at all. A little wear on the clutch but nothin that can't be fixed.

I got access to all kinds of hydrolic presses and whatnot at work.. will I be able to press in the motor bearings myself. just not sure how to get them out. My blind bearing puller HAS NEVER worked for me.. I ended up using a dremel and cuttin them out. Maybe I'd be better off havin someone who knows what the heck they're doing do it? feedback please????

[brapp]

chris chris chris if you need help with it let me know. i have done probaly 8 or 9 of these 350x motors and only had one problem so far but that was minor. come up for a weekend and bring the roller and the motor get the cyl bored and honed and lets tear down and rebuild.

[brrcuda]

Well I went out and pulled my front 350x engine bolt cause i dont want to have that happen to mine. Damn Northeast rust. Greased mine up real good - DC would be proud....;)

Thanks for the heads up.. Mine was getting rusty in the middle too and a ton of sand in there............

You know the saying "if i could just help one person" :lol:

[Tri-ZNate]

Chris take it up to brapp for some help. I doubt him and I are going to TF so we were thinking of hitting Hazelton up on that weekend. We all could be pimpin on the Xs, and I'll have my bassani pipe and silencer by them :naughty:

[chris200x]

Can someone help me with this setup. not sure exactly how it goes or which parts I gotta use. Of coarse,, no intructions...:wondering :rolleyes:

There is a groove on one side of the little brass ring that came with the locknut,, not sure which direction or where that goes. I also dont know if I need to use the large C-clip or the small axle nut with this. Anyone know what to do with this.

Thiere's only a small amount of axle spline showing on that side of the disc hub thingie to. not too sure about that.

[DeePa]

if its the same one as the one on my r...

put the threads/splined thingy on first.

then thread the nut all the way towards the carrier.

put the collar on, with the flat side facing the big axle nut. THERE MAY BE 2 SPACERS.....the stock one, and the new one that came with the rad loc nut...you need to use them both. The new one goes on first then the oem one second.

after all that is on, snap the ring in the groove, slide the oem collar over the ring, slide the new collar next to the oem collar, and thread the nut away from the carrier towards the collars...tighten it up as much as you can and lock it down with the allens...

oh you have it completely wrong in the pics haha...ill see if i can find instructions...

[DeePa]

Steel Circlip washer included with Honda models(L2). This washer is designed to fit over the stock circlip to hold the circlip tight. Without it, this type of locknut is not effective.


thats off of the site...

[chris200x]

Thanks Mike! If it's #19 on the schematic I dont or cannot find it.
http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/honda-atv-atc350x-1985-rear-wheel-axle-drive-chain/o/m1916sch20300

[DeePa]

yeah, thats it.

at least its still avail and cheap

[brapp]

oh god you just cant win chris can you chris! wheeliepop and i tor eup soem of the wild hills back her ein pennsyltucky this afternoon

[chris200x]

An update. I've finally have it rolling around the garage. Motor is going in today sometime.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild075.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild077.jpg
Still waiting on a axle nut washer and a few small parts that are on order. I also need the one bushing that holds the rear brake caliper linkage to the swinger. That part came back discontiued.. I did have one but cannot find the damn thing anywhere. I have a rubber grommet and a few washers rigged up on there for now. not sure if that will work or not tho.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild076.jpg

[brrcuda]

RattNutts........................:)

[chris200x]

So what side is easiest to get this motor back in without chipping the paint all to hell?

I knew you'd like that Paul! :beer

[Dirtcrasher]

Well I went out and pulled my front 350x engine bolt cause i dont want to have that happen to mine. Damn Northeast rust. Greased mine up real good - DC would be proud....;)



Attaboy Paul!! :lol:

Looking good Chris :beer

[chris200x]

Attaboy Paul!! :lol:

Looking good Chris :beer

See, someone else is busy round here too! :D Just waiting on a freind to come lend a hand. Anyone know the easiest way? It was easy getting out after I cut the frame!
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild082.jpg

[Dirtcrasher]

Blue painters tape like you have and I plan on leaving off both the stator and clutch cover during re entry into the frame, then I'll put the covers on.....

They just add to the size of the motor and I have to install mine alone.

[edog]

We will see how well the paint sticks to the frame when you take that tape of.

[chris200x]

It aint duct tape dumbasss.. without a doubt its gonna get tore upand the painters tape is on there loose... but I'll touch it up as best I can once the motor is in.

LAST TIME i don't powdercoat...

[Kintore]

Painters tape and your fine, looking good!

[edog]

It aint duct tape dumbasss.. without a doubt its gonna get tore upand the painters tape is on there loose... but I'll touch it up as best I can once the motor is in.

LAST TIME i don't powdercoat...



It ain't:D

[i58829]

I think it will hold up fine, my father helped me muscle the 350 back into the powder coated 85 X frame complete with the kicker/oil cooler, we nicked it in one place but if you're gonna ride it who cares. I did wrap a couple paper towels around the lower tubes. The hardest part is installing the mounts without it moving...

[chris200x]

PHEW it's FREAKIN HOT out there... To be honest I was sort of dissappointed this went in so easy.. lol!!!! took about an hour to get the motor squared away. Just waitng on a few wheel studs and that axle washer. wont be long at all!:Bounce

Surprisingly I only really messed the paint up in one spot.. along the left upper frame rail.

We figured the easiest way to mount it was throught he kicker side of the frame top end lifted up and in first. Surprisingly easy when you got a bud to help you out.
:w00t:

Should be good to go by next wekend. you PA boys wanna ride? :acr

[Tri-ZNate]

Should be good to go by next wekend. you PA boys wanna ride? :acr

Exactly our thoughts since some of us arent going to TF. My X is all ready to go, pick the day chris

[chris200x]

I need some :pics: Dammit of that locking nut and where the airbox connects to the top tube of the frame. I think I'm missing a boot from there?:wondering

just gotta retap a hole for the brakeside foot peg and bleed the brakes. she fired rite up tho! :w00t: :acr sounds a heck of alot better with the stock exhaust back on too!

[brapp]

well chris git it worked otu and lets ride bro

[DeePa]

you shouldnt be missing any airbox boots unless you lost them too????

[chris200x]

If there's a boot that connects that tube to the frame then yes. I suppose I did loose that too! probably when I took all the parts to the car wash.

I'll get some new pics up in the daylight. She came out pretty schweet!

Edit: I can also use a pic of how the engine vent tubes run too....

[chris200x]

Anyone got that boot? lol

few pics..
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild094.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild090.jpg

[edog]

WOW,you did that?lol


Looks great!!!!!!

[atctim]

Looks mint buddy. Keep up the good work.

[chris200x]

Take a good look lol.. It'll never be this clean again. :Bounce

It's running kinda rough at the moment and has a bit of a backfire. I'm gonna try to order that boot ($6) I hope it aint discontiued.

I think the supertrapp is a bit quieter than the stocker w/o a baffle. either way I either got an airleak or the carb needs attention. :rolleyes:

[Mrs.Mosh]

Looking great Chris.All the hard work shows off in the finished product.

[250rfan]

I like it!:Bounce ,,nice work Chris :beer ,,,,,,,now go buy a nice new chain to finish it of :D

[edog]

Hey chris,you got a better pic of the rear swingarm from that distance?

[Tri-ZNate]

Looks good chris, lets ride monday :naughty:

And I do believe you had this problem with the tri-z, different parts are different shades of the same color ;). Gotta love new parts

[chris200x]

I'm not sure If I'll be ready by monday bud. Gotta seal up that airbox and buy a new chain to fit the bigger sprocket. Still gotta figure out that damn axlenut too... :rolleyes:

This is the only pics I have of the swinger beside the one posted above doggy...

Thanks for the kind words guys..

[maggiesboy]

I like it!:Bounce ,,nice work Chris :beer ,,,,,,,now go buy a nice new chain to finish it of :D

that is the new "invisible Earth friendly chain" you get all the noise, with no erosion from excessive tire slippage :wondering

Good looking tricycle :D

[250rfan]

that is the new "invisible Earth friendly chain" you get all the noise, with no erosion from excessive tire slippage :wondering

Good looking tricycle :D


:lol: ,,,,:Bounce ,,,,ye either that or here's resorting back to Captain Cave man,,, tactics and using his feet :lol: :lol: ,,,,WILLMAAAAA!!!!.


Hey Chris, how do you find those rear tires over OEM?

[200x newby]

chris watch out i hear that farmer a comin!

[chris200x]

For the area I ride those rear tires work perfectly. Although I miss the added ground clearance the 22' stockers provide.


chris watch out i hear that farmer a comin!


LMFAO!!!!

Oh no worries,, we've become the best of freinds... :naughty:

[DeePa]

hey man it looks really clean, happy to see my old rig still getting some love and looking sweet...

I cant understand how you lost parts hahah...oh well, thats what ebay is for...

Maybe ill take the z to the carwash and clean it up nice to make you feel better....or not

i just looked on bikebandit, all airbox tubes are disc...

to give chris soem credit, here is what he started with...

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/dipasquale20/Old%20250r/2-1.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/dipasquale20/Old%20250r/1.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/dipasquale20/Old%20250r/3-1.jpg

[brrcuda]

Is this the absent minded 350x Build...............................

[brrcuda]

You change mufflers like you change underwear............:lol:

[chris200x]

Too freakin funny Paulie! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks for postin those pics Mike! :beer

[DeePa]

how do you lose an airboox boot that big??? did you try to make some paraphernalia out of it or something???

[Tri-ZNate]

CHris dont worry about having the X ready for Monday. I was playin with my X, trying to figure out where the "bearing play" was comming from, took off the fenders to find out that at some point my frame cracked, just like every other F***in 350x. So despite what Josh says, taking out the rear motor mount bolt does jack ****.

[chris200x]

She's ready now Nate!!!

I went and got another chain,, sealed up the air tube (don't ask!:rolleyes: ) retapped and got the footpeg all squared away...

I was just riding around the yard... SHE RIPS!!!

I was just thinkin.. tomorrow is the one year aniversery of my little fallout with the farmer! :lol: :w00t:

:TrikesOwn

[Tri-ZNate]

I was just thinkin.. tomorrow is the one year aniversery of my little fallout with the farmer! :lol: :w00t:


June 15th .... A Day That Will Live In Infamy

[DeePa]

nate we still got a deal on that pipe?

[Tri-ZNate]

nate we still got a deal on that pipe?

Yep, all it does is sit on the shelf in all its glory ;)

[DeePa]

next brappatuckey ride well settle it up and install it...thanks

[Tri-ZNate]

next brappatuckey ride well settle it up and install it...thanks

sounds good

[chris200x]

Here she is all finished up! woo hoooo!!!
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild098.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild097.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild103.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild104.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild105.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/350xrebuild109.jpg

[jason85atc250r]

looks good so whens the 350x ride up your way going to be

[chris200x]

We had 3 350X show the last ride I had Jay.. me, brapp and wheeliepop. Not sure when the Natester's ride will be ready.. but i'd like to see him tear the *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* outta that purdy triz he has down here! LMAO!!!

When ever tho.. I just can't do sundays...

[DeePa]

do it on a saturday and ill come. set a date soon though.

[steven 250sx]

ugh i wish i could get a 350x you did a good job on yours keep it up

[chris200x]

do it on a saturday and ill come. set a date soon though.

Talk to the rest of the boys with the funny accents and let me know..:lol: Might be a good idea to truck pool on down to save on gas and our parking spot.

I'll be out next weekend for sure! :Bounce

[tanks350x]

Sweet looking X, awesome job, maybe someday mine will be that nice!

[Tri-ZNate]

Wont be happening for me this weekend Chris. This weekend is the first date for the NY ATV Drag Assoc. up at lawton, PA and its test and tune both days. I gotta see what the Z and X are running in 300ft. I would suspect Raffa might venture down as well.

atvspecialevents.com

[Bryan Raffa]

Wont be happening for me this weekend Chris. This weekend is the first date for the NY ATV Drag Assoc. up at lawton, PA and its test and tune both days. I gotta see what the Z and X are running in 300ft. I would suspect Raffa might venture down as well.

atvspecialevents.com

not ventureing any where,,,Blew it up wed night ...in the basement:lol:

[chris200x]

not ventureing any where,,,Blew it up wed night ...in the basement:lol:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: