Powroll stroker 200x...Worth it or not?

[Muddy200x]

I sent a crank in to powroll that was visually in excellent condition, no visual wear on anything. It was out of a '91 XR200 with low hours. The listed price for the stroke work on the web site is $250.00. I was told the turn around time would be 5 weeks. 4 weeks later I make a call to check on it and was told it needed a timing sprocket. I quickly said "no problem go ahead and replace it" I would want a new one anyway just for the peace of mind. I think that bumped the price up to like $280.00. No big deal I was figuring it would end up running around $300.00 anyhow. Well I just called them again today (6 weeks) and was told that they have it disassembled and its going to need a new connecting rod assembly and pin because the one that's on it is worn. I'm thinking WTF? :wondering Well, I'm already into it this far, So I said "go ahead and replace it" Now the total is somewhere around $450.00 and we haven't even talked about the bearings yet. I'm getting discouraged and thinking there's no way it's going to be worth it. :( I guess I'm going to find out though, but at what cost. I realize that horsepower isn't cheap but k'mon It's only a 200.

[84honda200s]

some people like strokers and some dont. ive herd that for the cost of doing it its just not worth it. ive also herd that a stroker isnt too good for the motor. (dont ask me why that is i have no clue) if they didnt cost so danm much id get one but to me they arnt woth the money.

personally id never get one just because the bad stuff i hear about a stroker out weighs the good. such as the cost. i wouldnt be able to bite that bullet. id rather just port it, bigger carb, web cam, and more compression. but to each their own i guess.

[OldSchoolin86]

Strokers are great but when all said and done it will still just be a 200x with a little more cc. Is that worth it to you?

[Bryan Raffa]

it worth it too me.. Im doing it ..I want something that gonna pull the front tire off the ground with a +3 swingarm...peice by peice it will happen..

hey you forgot to add up the
roller bearing cam holder
the cam
adjustable cam sprocket
cam chain
vales& spring
machine work
piston
ect....

[Muddy200x]

hey you forgot to add up the
roller bearing cam holder
the cam
adjustable cam sprocket
cam chain
vales& spring
machine work
piston
ect....

I didn't forget. I was only talking about the crank work. The top end will be a whole new bill. lol
I'm thinking If I did It all over again I would probably go a different route. I mean the crank alone is going to cost double the price that is listed on the web site. I'm not trying to belly ake over the price, I always wanted a powrolled 200x and it's gonna happen. It just gets kinda hard explaning a 50% extra cost to the wife, ya know? I should have a grand total for the crank work the middle of next week.

[DeePa]

well, better off doing it right and getting a lot of use out of it rather than cheaping out and having the worn parts break

[84honda200s]

it worth it too me.. Im doing it ..I want something that gonna pull the front tire off the ground with a +3 swingarm...peice by peice it will happen..

hey you forgot to add up the
roller bearing cam holder
the cam
adjustable cam sprocket
cam chain
vales& spring
machine work
piston
ect....



my front end pulls up and im using a plus 4 swinger. but i have a crap load of mods. about the only ones i dont have are stroker, valves, and web cam.

i have a 30mm carb, 12:1 wisco, ported head, new D.I.D cam chain, a ronnie lighten flywheel, and bord to a 67mm piston. ooo and 2 new cam sprockets.

i might do a stroker next year but im not sure yet. i doubt it very much.

[edog]

Lifan 250 Water cooled.$500 plus shipping.

[Muddy200x]

Lifan 250 Water cooled.$500 plus shipping.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/250CC-LIFAN-WATER-COOLED-ATV-ENGINE-w-BUILT-IN-REVERSE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el 1247QQcategoryZ43977QQihZ005QQitemZ150153526542QQr dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
That's what I mean by a different route. I bet I could buy that engine, do whatever fab work needed to get it in, and to get everything working right plus follow it up with some powder coating for less then I'm going to have into building and coating my motor and the lifan motor has somthin I love to have...Reverse
I'm committed to this motor though, and I'm it's gonna be a beast when I'm done. But I doubt I would point someone in the same direction that I'm going, simply because of the cost.

[Ed200x]

I raced a poweroll xr75 back in the '70's and believe me those folks know what they're doin'! The thing was so friggin' fast when i moved up to 125's my little brother raced my XR for a year and a half against the (at the time) bike to beat the YZ80C and blew 'em away. Say all the bad about strokers but that's how they did the XR back then. They sleeved the cylinder to use a smaller piston and then stroked it back to 80cc's. Also if Powroll said you needed a new this or that then it wasn't gonna last long in your stocker either, and definately not if you bored it out, cammed it etc. I'm planning on installing their whole line in my 200X when I have the cash saved. Bored & Stroked, Big cam + I'm gonna put about a 28mm carb on it, relief port the head and do 3 angle valves. It won't act like a 200 in the least. I've been there with Powroll.

[Muddy200x]

Yea, It's testimonials like yours that put me on the path to powroll. I'm sure I wont be disappointed and I'll be glad knowing that everything is tight and done right. It's just a lot of green for an :acr like me. :D

[300rman]

well, just remember. If you went a diferent route and bought all the possible parts for that baby and beefed it up, when you came to look for more power, the stroker would be the last option you could do to it for any real power gain.

[Bryan Raffa]

, when you came to look for more power, the stroker would be the last option you could do to it for any real power gain.


My first option..:twisted: :beer

[OldSchoolin86]

I've seen powroll make some time bomb combo's but this one is fairly safe.

[Muddy200x]

Grand total= $437.00 I should have it by Friday. :)

[Dirtcrasher]

Is that the price for just reworking the crank?

Do they supply a spacer plate or something too??

[Muddy200x]

Is that the price for just reworking the crank?

Do they supply a spacer plate or something too??


That's just the stroke work to the crank, and a new rod/pin assembly. They heat and compress the rod so no spacer needed.

[tri-Z ripper]

not bad cant wait to hear the ride review!!

[Muddy200x]

It's here and it looks awesome! As soon as the cases and covers are done I'll start assembling the bottom end.

Crappy cell phone pic.

[Dirtcrasher]

NASTY!!

Thats there "shrunken metal" stuff.

So in the end it cost about 400$?

[Muddy200x]

Yea, $437 and climbing. Powrolls got another 600.00 coming for the rest of the build.

[Dirtcrasher]

So they gave you a "stroker" with "shrunken rod" work and that cost 400$?? That included a new rod and lower bearing but still the crank/main bearings you sent them right??

So..... Truing, balancing and stroking a crank is what this cost is....

I'm just trying to help us all understand the costs involved, some guys can't appreciate it.....

[Muddy200x]

So they gave you a "stroker" with "shrunken rod" work and that cost 400$?? That included a new rod and lower bearing but still the crank/main bearings you sent them right??

So..... Truing, balancing and stroking a crank is what this cost is....

I'm just trying to help us all understand the costs involved, some guys can't appreciate it.....

Yes
The crank/main bearings that were on the crank when I sent it to them were good and reusable.

[300rman]

hmm. sounds like this thing will RUN. now for the cam and all the other slick non-crank mods out there are slowly added, ill bet that thing will haul ass!

[Muddy200x]

I dug out an old crank to compare. Took a pic for those interested.

[thefox]

When do you hope to have it all together Muddy? And to think, your 200x was already my favorite….:drool:

[Muddy200x]

Ahh,,,, my dog! Thanks man
I hate to say it but it's probably gonna be a long assembly. I'm trying to do everything top notch, and that shits expensive lol. That and I'm making a few upgrades all at the same time. :naughty:

[thefox]

Nothing wrong with doing it right the first time! I am sure it is very expensive but I can’t imagine that it will be anything short of amazing. I think that powroll work has been dreamed off by everyone who has ever owned a 200x.

[edog]

I can very close to doing the powerroll thing with my 200X motor.After I found out about the kicker problem and second gear becoming a problem,i decided to spend my money on something else.

I am shure you are aware of these problem.

I can't wait to see a video of this biatch rippin it up.:twisted:

[Muddy200x]

I think that powroll work has been dreamed off by everyone who has ever owned a 200x.

True True, and there's like almost no concrete info on the 200x stroker on either forums. I'll be taking pictures and posting info along the way. It's going in a '91 XR bottom end with the X side cases. I'm flipin the kicker gears so I got forward kick. The top end is going to be done right too. 10.5-1 with the needle bearing torque cam with all the goodies to make that work right. PnP head w/31mm mikuni. Right now I need to get a media blast on the motor and a powder coat. I've had this project started for a few years, finally I'm making progress.



I can very close to doing the powerroll thing with my 200X motor.After I found out about the kicker problem and second gear becoming a problem,i decided to spend my money on something else.

I am shure you are aware of these problem.

I can't wait to see a video of this biatch rippin it up.:twisted:

Yep, I'm aware, and have put a little thought there. As For as the kicker gears... That's the reason why I'm going with the 10.5-1, and I'm adding a decomp with a lever at the handle bars. I'm considering going with the Cryogenic gear treatment you posted a while back. The tranny gears on the XR are a little narrower and I want to crack the throttle knowing I did all I could do not to crack the gears.

[edog]

I would just keep the stock gears and have them frozen.2 cents

It ain't worth the extra gear.

[Muddy200x]

I would just keep the stock gears and have them frozen.2 cents

It ain't worth the extra gear.

I'm thinkin it is. From what I've recearched the first 5 gears are the same, and the 6th is like a highway gear. :naughty: I always thought that the XR200 6th gear was 1-1 same as the 200x 5th gear but from what is said on thumpertalk its not the case. I supose the guy could be wrong but I guess I got to find out for myself.
Here's a discussion about it.
http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-48963.html

[edog]

I talked about it with Mike Coe.He said stick with the 200X trans cause the gears where made better.

[Muddy200x]

Yea, If I rode like Mike I'd want the 200x tranny. :)
She's gonna be mostly babied. But if the gears go I have a nice 200x motor that would love an upgrade. I just hope if I explode the tranny that the expensive pieces make it through it.

[Dirtcrasher]

Ya know what I don't get...

You shipped it to them with the mains on the crank, which they said were good and could be reused.

They couldn't have left them on the crank during all that work (or did they?) because as soon as you remove them from a crank, they aren't supposed to be reused.....

Sadly, I don't think they will do any rod work on my 86 200X motor....

[edog]

There is a guy on .org that is selling a 86 200X with work done to the motor by Powerroll.

[AMSinator]

So, what is the outcome of this build?

My 81' Powroll 218 stroker is still running strong.

[AMSinator]

Grand total= $437.00 I should have it by Friday. :)

Roughly what I paid for same work in 1987. You got a deal!!

SO :wondering:wondering:wondering, What is the outcome of this build?

The results have been dropped like Elaine Bennis's plan, I'll DROP you LIKE aBAG OF DIRT!" for Frank Costanza in scene at police station?

My 81' Powroll 218cc Stroker is still running STRONG!!

"C:\Users\Casey\Pictures\85' Stroker swingarm astd. pics\2019-06-11\Ventilted Front Cycra Cycralite Fender-Powroll Jet HotCoated Header.jpg"

[bkm]

So, what is the outcome of this build?

My 81' Powroll 218 stroker is still running strong.

This thread is only 14 years old. I’m sure the OP will be along shorty to follow up. Stand by.

[Jesus]

This thread is only 14 years old. I’m sure the OP will be along shorty to follow up. Stand by.

14 years isn’t so long. Have faith in his return.

[207wheelin]

Playing the "hold" music.����������������������

[AMSinator]

WOW, Duh.
Wellsn' der ya' habit, I-sn' justn' learneded hown' to makn' disn'punchy dingy workn', causn' yestrndayn' Isn', couldn'evn spelln' mecaineck, todaysn' I r-uh.

Most Aware of Date, just didn't understand why 14 Years ago, someone would start this thread, get all the interaction of 36 posts about a $250 stroker that turned into a $450, cry about it, then not even give the feedback he was asking for, from the poster to begin with? Leave multiple people that take the time to input different viewpoints and experiences w/ said product he is searching for answers to the original being asked by hisns' POST of.... Thread: Powroll stroker 200x...Worth it or not??

I just was "asn' fo-n' closn' or enin o' "What Happened to the build". Now, that it is 14 years later?
My Powroll 218 Stroker, from 1987, is still running Strong as I stated and will trump any "2-smoke, wanna' ga fast" in it's way, under the right conditions for the era'.

If the purpose of the thread was to see how many answers/hits it could get, well done, I was one of the DAs along with everyone else that read it.
Just feel like I got Punked, That's all.

Kinda' like finding that exciting article about your favorite 3-wheeler, you buy the publication, PDF electronic subscription, that states lots of low-cost improvements YOU could make, lots of type about it, but no improvements mentioned.

I totally understand things happen, life gets in the way, etc., etc., been there, done that, got da' t-shirt. But don't leave a 3-wheeler brother hangn'.

Might as well head back over to TT, where evidently the reading, Posts, Threads, responses, follow ups to the questions asked & answers suggested, might be more Enquiring. Afterall, as the "Most sought out publication in the world of Important News"(The National Enquirer) would say "Enquiring Minds want to Know!"
Otherwise, I guess this thread should end where most of this type belongs, just like the "National Enquirer", in the bird cage to capture all the good stuff falling and then INTO the trash.

Ride Safe & Have fun!!

[El Camexican]

If by “TT” you mean thumper talk and are implying that none of the threads on there don’t just end abruptly leaving the reader hanging I would beg to differ. There’s some good information on there, but there’s also a lot of garbage from my experience. Enjoy.

[ATC King]

TT is just another VerticalScope owned forum, but it went down hill before that. It's an absolutely terrible place unless only doing a search for relative content. Even then, most threads are full of irrelevent BS and one has to trudge through it for real info.

There's an overabundance of keyboard experts there who have clans of lackies to support them. Woe to anyone who speaks against them. It's like ADVrider, but with younger idiots.

[Scootertrash]

WOW, Duh.
Wellsn' der ya' habit, I-sn' justn' learneded hown' to makn' disn'punchy dingy workn', causn' yestrndayn' Isn', couldn'evn spelln' mecaineck, todaysn' I r-uh.

Most Aware of Date, just didn't understand why 14 Years ago, someone would start this thread, get all the interaction of 36 posts about a $250 stroker that turned into a $450, cry about it, then not even give the feedback he was asking for, from the poster to begin with? Leave multiple people that take the time to input different viewpoints and experiences w/ said product he is searching for answers to the original being asked by hisns' POST of.... Thread: Powroll stroker 200x...Worth it or not??

I just was "asn' fo-n' closn' or enin o' "What Happened to the build". Now, that it is 14 years later?
My Powroll 218 Stroker, from 1987, is still running Strong as I stated and will trump any "2-smoke, wanna' ga fast" in it's way, under the right conditions for the era'.

If the purpose of the thread was to see how many answers/hits it could get, well done, I was one of the DAs along with everyone else that read it.
Just feel like I got Punked, That's all.

Kinda' like finding that exciting article about your favorite 3-wheeler, you buy the publication, PDF electronic subscription, that states lots of low-cost improvements YOU could make, lots of type about it, but no improvements mentioned.

I totally understand things happen, life gets in the way, etc., etc., been there, done that, got da' t-shirt. But don't leave a 3-wheeler brother hangn'.

Might as well head back over to TT, where evidently the reading, Posts, Threads, responses, follow ups to the questions asked & answers suggested, might be more Enquiring. Afterall, as the "Most sought out publication in the world of Important News"(The National Enquirer) would say "Enquiring Minds want to Know!"
Otherwise, I guess this thread should end where most of this type belongs, just like the "National Enquirer", in the bird cage to capture all the good stuff falling and then INTO the trash.

Ride Safe & Have fun!!

Are you having a stroke????.........

[ironchop]

I don't know what the fck I just read, but I want my five minutes back

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