~*~Alright, Here It Goes! My FIRST Restore~*~ Update Pg. 5

[rckstrgrl21]

Ok,

So after my last thread of the tri-z's it made me realize I have what I am looking for, I just need to actually do something with it!


So here I go :Bounce , I will either do amazing :w00t: , or screw this up BIG time :cry: ....we will see.


This is my 1985 Honda 200x, I plan on stripping it down to the frame, and putting it back together :beer WITH:

~Painted or powdercoated frame

~New BLACK plastics (I spray painted them with fusion 4 plastics to get an idea of what they will look like.....FYI Fusion SUCKS!!!)(also, I noticed Maier only sells black front fender and rear fenders in black but not the tank shrouds...What can I do about that?)

~New Hi-flight desert seat (Maybe Moshman's if I can afford it)

~Engine bored over to 10:5:1 by powroll

~Re-jetted carb

~and i will attempt to polish the forks, triple tree, swing arm, and axle


The list might get longer as time goes but this will be a very LONG rebuild....so sit tight! :naughty:

Here's what it looked like the day I bought it:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/200xad3.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/200xad2.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/200xad1.jpg

Here is what it looks like s of today Jan 27, 2008:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/200xbefore3.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/200xbefore2.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/200xbefore6.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/200xbefore5.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/200xbefore4.jpg


I will defenately be asking TONS of questions on this!!!!


I hope this all works out, you guys (AND gals) enjoy the show, and I learn a lot from it!!!

[Dammit!]

Ugh. You're one of those spray paint people I've had to clean up after aren't you.

[rckstrgrl21]

Hey come on! I spray painted the old, faded plastics to see what black plastics would look like!


I won't be half a$$ing anything on this, hence why it will be a long build!!!

[Dammit!]

Did you know you can sand and buff that faded red plastic and make it look like new?

[3Razors]

Ugh. You're one of those spray paint people I've had to clean up after aren't you.

Haha yep one of those..

To be honest I think the bike looked better before you got "creative" with it. But everyone's tastes are different.

[rckstrgrl21]

hey now.....


as i stated....I painted the plastics black to see what my new maier BLACK plastics will look like.....

These plastics will be thrown away!! hence why i spray painted them! lol


Ok so my 1st question:

In the manual it says to remove the exaust before moving to the next step.

My PROBLEM is:

I disconnected it, but with its shape, it wont come out all the way. is it ok to just leave it hanging there?

[Eric250R]

It doesn't matter what color you decide to go with as long as YOU like it. Make it yours. And yes, take your time, be patient, and take lots of pics along the way to keep track of how it came apart. Most of all, good luck and have fun. :beer

[3Wheelers4Life]

your plastics look to be in good condition, no cracks. why throw them away? if their good, i would at least sell them to someone else. also they look to be OEM, and i know i prefer OEM over maier.

anyway, are your refering to the head pipe, because that should come out completely? i guess you could leave it on and disconnect it later when its easier? have fun, and keep us posted!

[rckstrgrl21]

It's completely taken off of the engine, but it won't come out around the frame, the engine is in the way.

Can I just leave it hanging there?

[DarkestGKnight]

as long as its not putting any wait on anything leave it there, also as stated above sell those plastics or use them as a spare. good luck.

[Eric250R]

It's completely taken off of the engine, but it won't come out around the frame, the engine is in the way.

Can I just leave it hanging there?

I'm not terribly familiar with the older X models. However, most exhuast systems come apart in the middle. Right before the connect to the muffler. There should be some sort of band with a 12mm bolt through it. take the bolt out, then work the band back and forth to loosen it. Once it is loose, take the muffler off, you should then be able to twist the headpipe to a different postion and work it out. It's really pretty easy. As I said though, I don't have alot of experience with these models, and I"m not sure if they are 2 piece or 1 piece exhausts.

[Dammit!]

If those fenders aren't cracked and broken, don't throw them away. Hell bring them to the dunes one of these days when we're out there and I'll take them.

Just keep in mind as you go forward with this project that these things are 20+ years old and a lot of the parts are discontinued (like OEM plastic). Some of the stuff you decide to experiment with many times can have value and shouldn't be considered dumpster material unless it's really broken.

If you want to check out color schemes, the best way to do it is to mock it up on the computer. If you don't know how to do that several people here do. Just make a thread and ask someone to do it.

[rckstrgrl21]

The plastics look good from a distance (and wet, like in the before pics) but up close they were super super faded, scratched, and make the trike look....well......23yrs old haha.

I read the "restoring old plastic" thread and spent about 4 hrs with JUST the front fender alone. 220 grit, 400grit, 600 grit, 1000 grit, 2000 grit...and it took out the deep scratches (but still visable) but it was still faded. Wasn't going to spend 12 hrs on the rear when I wasn't even happy with the front.


So with that said, I AM getting maier black plastiocs and I will hold onto these OEM one's and maybe sand off the crappy paint, and sell them. who knows.

[Nick_R_23]

I noticed Maier only sells black front fender and rear fenders in black but not the tank shrouds...What can I do about that?)

I remember seeing a place that did sell black shrouds...but I dont remember who right off...

-Nick :TrikesOwn

[edog]

I sold my rear OEM 200X plastic on ebay for $350 shipped.


I am really glad you stayed with the 200X!!

[rckstrgrl21]

Here is an update!

After about 2 hours here is what I have accomplished:

Removed:

*Grab bar
*Gas Tank
*Carb
*Foot Pegs
*Air box
*Exhaust
*alternator

And disconnected:
*Clutch
*Rear brake pedal


More to come!

I cant figure out how to get the nuts on the clutch cover off? What size bolt are they?

Every screw/nut/bolt is so rusted on this thing, its amazing.

[ATC-Eric]

Do you have a manual?


Dammit has a link, throw him a couple of bucks and download one! You will thank yourself in the longrun.

[3Razors]

The clutch cover bolts are 8mm.. If you are trying to remove the engine you do not need to pull the clutch cover off. I wouldn't take it off unless the clutch needed replacing or something else was broken.

[rckstrgrl21]

Oops....The drive sprocket cover...NOT the clutch cover. Sorry 3Razors I got them mixed up.

What size bolts are on the Drive Sprocket Cover?

[84honda200s]

they are metric for sure. probably 10mm. its a common size. if its not 10mm id try 12mm. give me a few min and ill look.

[TwoHundredEx]

I think they're 8mm, but I could be wrong.

[super90]

Almost positive they're 8mm.

[84honda200s]

I think they're 8mm, but I could be wrong.




nop you are correct. i looked them up and they are 8mm.

[rckstrgrl21]

Thanks guys!

My wrench/socket set only goes down to 10mm. I guess I am on pause until tom. when the parts store opens again.

[McDerry]

5/16 is the same size if you have a standard set kicking about.

[84honda200s]

5/16 is the same size if you have a standard set kicking about.




thats true. but the 5/16 has some slop when you put it on. she said that there was allot of rust. i wouldnt risk rounding the bolts off.

[edog]

thats true. but the 5/16 has some slop when you put it on. she said that there was allot of rust. i wouldnt risk rounding the bolts off.

Bolt police is on the scene....Put that 5/16th down and back away from the metric 8mm rusty bolt.Do not attempt to use a 12 point 5/16 socket.:lol: :lol:

[84honda200s]

Bolt police is on the scene....Put that 5/16th down and back away from the metric 8mm rusty bolt.Do not attempt to use a 12 point 5/16 socket.:lol: :lol:




how did i know you would do that ?? :lol: naw but for real ive done it. it sucks trying to get a rounded rusted up bolt out.

[rckstrgrl21]

yay! thanks McDerry! I did have a 5/16 and i got the top bolt off but the bottom one is stuborn and not even inching!

And it looks like there is a bolt that is recest so looks like i need a socket?

or is the bottom bolt the only one left to remove the cover? will wd-40 on it loosen it up? I am afraid of stripping it, as I am clueless on what to do if it gets stripped.

[rckstrgrl21]

Ok mr. Edog...So how do I get that bolt out without an 8mm, 5/16 or socket?

[3Razors]

You need a 8mm deep socket or an extension. Dont mess with american size sockets on metric bolts/nuts. Get the right tool for the job and save alot of headaches.

[TwoHundredEx]

I'm pretty sure theres only 2 bolts.
If you feel like your going to strip it then soak it in WD-40 over night and wait until you can get the proper socket.

[3Razors]

Also you dont need to take off the sprocket cover to remove the engine either.

[rckstrgrl21]

It tells me to remove the chain before removing the engine. I need to remove the chain anyways, I am getting a new shiny one.


I will get an 8mm socket tom. It almost worked with they 5/16, but the bottom bolt isn't cooperating!

[3Razors]

The manual says that but it is not infact needed, an option is to just remove the engine from the left side. You can remove the chain without taking off the cover, just get the master link visible and remove it.

[84honda200s]

he is rite. its not all that hard and plus it will save you time from messing around with them bolts.

[rckstrgrl21]

Well, It sounds good to get it out now, and not mess with the bolt, but I wnt to get the bolt out and replace it with a good one.


I want to try and get as many new bolts/nuts/screws as I can for this trike.


There is a guy on ebay who sells a complete chrome bolt kit, i might try that

[McDerry]

You need a 8mm deep socket or an extension. Dont mess with american size sockets on metric bolts/nuts. Get the right tool for the job and save alot of headaches.

You do realize a 5/16 socket is 0.3125 and the 8mm is 0.3149 thats two thousands of a inch and the standard socket is a tighter fit, its the same size. Its the same difference as a Metric Adjustable Wrench.

[ATC-Eric]

Just remove the master link, and pull the chain. Take care of the cover when you get the motor out, and you have the correct tools handy for the job.

[cr480r]

You do realize a 5/16 socket is 0.3125 and the 8mm is 0.3149 thats two thousands of a inch and the standard socket is a tighter fit, its the same size. Its the same difference as a Metric Adjustable Wrench.

so true... and always make a habit of using 6 point sockets whenever possible...

[edog]

Sorry boys but the wd 40 isn't going to work on this one.The threads are a couple inches in the case.It will not reach the threads.


What you need to do is put your left and right hands together and pray.This will please the rusty stuck bolt gods.You bolts should come free in 20 min or so.

I have taken apart some nasty bolts on a motor let me tell you.The worst was on my 1983 YTM 200.

Hear is what you can do if they strip.If this doesn't work then your having problems.

Take the next size down stander 11 point socket put it on a long exstension that you want to hammer on the end.Hammer the under sized socket on to the bolt.Ounce you get it on there,make shur you have a red bull handy cause you going to have to push as hard as you can against the
end of the wratchet and turn.Put you body weight into it.If this doesn't work then your going to have to cut the ends of the bolt off with a dremal tool.

GOOD LUCK!!!

[3Razors]

You do realize a 5/16 socket is 0.3125 and the 8mm is 0.3149 thats two thousands of a inch and the standard socket is a tighter fit, its the same size. Its the same difference as a Metric Adjustable Wrench.

Good info. to know

[84honda200s]

i found heat works pretty dam good. it doesnt take long or much to get them cases heated up enough to break them bolts loose.

[Dirtcrasher]

I too would use a little propane....

[honda250sx]

Always good to have a Hand impact driver when removing bolts on engines and such. The kind you hit with a hammer. They can be purchased at lowes, home depot, sears hardware and so on. You can get a reducer 1/2 to 3/8 and use any socket you'd like. Plus they come with a tip for using phipps and flathead as well.

[pinkhonda]

if you'd like to see what the 200x looks like with black plastics check out our web site under "the collection" and then "1984 200x"
as far as the shrouds, search & search e-bay or maybe you'll get lucky & one of the board members will be able to hook up like my pink ones. if not, you can krylon fusion them, thats what i did at first. and my last idea would be go with red or white & then use that as your accent color.

good luck & it's cool you're attempting this solo

[rckstrgrl21]

Thanks pinkhonda! You have a very nice collection going on!

I love the black! I am getting more excited by the hour!!!! :Bounce :Bounce :Bounce


I haven't completly decided what colors to do, but heres my next question:


I want the bike to look as amazing as possible, so i was thinking EITHER:

1) To have ALL plastics, tank, AND seat to be black with the frame being either cobalt blue, metallic cherry/maroon, OR silver.

~OR~

2) Having front/rear/headlight plastics & tank black, with the frame, seat cover & tank shrouds being the silver, cobalt blue OR cherry/maroon.


Which one do you guys like?








Oh and P.S. I went out and bought a deep 8mm socket for that bolt. I will try it now and get back to everyone.

[rckstrgrl21]

Ok...Quick update:

I am so close to getting the engine out of the frame! The bottom rear bolt (the one that is more recest) is being a little more tricky than the others (and they haven't been pleasant!).

So far, I have broken 2 bolts in half, broke the chain connector thing, and the pin thing that holds the rear brake pedal together.

Not bad for my first time!



The swing arm bolt looks like it will be a BIG pain, can't wait! ;o)

[250rfreak]

wow, not to highjac the thread but pinkhinda i just read that whole scam thing,how long ago was that?

[rckstrgrl21]

Ok! So my current state....CRAZY! lol

I got everything disconnected from the engine, and it's ready to come out!!! yippee!!!!


Only problem.....It wont budge! I triple checked all around the engine, And everything is free to go, but it got stuck at a 5 degree turn and a little angled to the left of the trike.


now i can see why a 350x engine wont fit!! theres no room!

anywys, whts the trick to getting the engine out?

[Twilight]

Are you trying to remove from left or right? I think u can only from the right side.

[TwoHundredEx]

Hmm, I'm trying to remember how I took mine out.
If I remember correctly, it came out on the right side.
I keep thinking it's the left side, but think I remember using the kicker as a handle to pull it out.

[84honda200s]

im pretty sure i read in my manual they pull out from the right hand side. dont feel too bad rckstrgrl21 . when i first started to mess with my trike i busted almost every bolt on the danm thing.

[The Goat]

it comes out the right side. also...as for your color scheme, i myself have basically the same thing. black plastics and tank....black chrome engine, black seat, and the original honda red frame.

[Twilight]

Ditto and a few on the motor somehow O_O

[rckstrgrl21]

well...My only problem with removing it from the right side is that my exhaust is stuck and blocks that side. I was told that the exhaust comes apart in the middle but mine isn't budging (what's new?!? everything on this bike is being difficult!)


I am getting a new exhaust so I guess it doesn't matter but I wnted to sell the cobra exhaust. ;o(

[84honda200s]

it should come apart in the center. not to sound like a prick or anything but did you undo the clamp? if so try to tap it with a hammer to loosen it up. exhaust can be a royal pain in the ars.

[350xrider911]

it might be to heavy, that y it wont move drain all the oil it might get a little liter. when i pull my 350x motor i lift the back and push the motor front and lift up. i dont know if it will help on a 200x.

[rckstrgrl21]

i see where is could be taken apart into two, and someone else already mentioned the clamp thing.

I do not see a clamp, it looks like is just got pushed together and is now too rusty to come apart.



I did pick a little something up while i was on my usual payday shopping spree....

should help with all of this!

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/toolset2.jpg

[84honda200s]

it might be to heavy, that y it wont move drain all the oil it might get a little liter. when i pull my 350x motor i lift the back and push the motor front and lift up. i dont know if it will help on a 200x.

but the 200 is a pretty lite motor. my 11 year old brother pulled my engine out while i was at work one day. as for the push the motor to the front and lift....your dead on man. thats how they come out the best.

[350xrider911]

what brand are thouse. do you got screw driver?

[rckstrgrl21]

I drained the oil prior to removing anything.

Thanks for the tip 84honda200s & 350xrider911

[84honda200s]

i see where is could be taken apart into two, and someone else already mentioned the clamp thing.

I do not see a clamp, it looks like is just got pushed together and is now too rusty to come apart.



I did pick a little something up while i was on my usual payday shopping spree....

should help with all of this!

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/toolset2.jpg




crap it sucks its all rusted up. all else fails grab the hack saw. you may not have too much of a choice but to cut it off.

nice tool set by the way.

[rckstrgrl21]

they are Cresent brand 211 piece mechanics tool set from Costco...LIFETIME warranty!

[luke]

It's nice to see some one asking for advice, and using it. Going away and following it to the letter and not needing to ask again. Unlike James9r9r, i think youve done well not to attack it with a large hammer like i would have. Slow and methodical is the best way, but beating it does make you feel better when a bolt wont come out.
Keep up the good work, please take some pics and post them as you go, and post about every thing you do. It will be intresting to people in a year's time as well as to us right now.

[rckstrgrl21]

Ok so here is an update!!!


After hearing a lot of you told me the exhaust pipe DOES seperate, I went all for trying to get it apart. so i held one side tight and hit the other end with the back side of an axe...and walla! there was two! and even without a scrtch! ;o)


Then i wiggled the engine back to its original position. then i pulled it forward and out the right side.



THE ENGINE IS OUT!!!!!


now what is the next step to getting it down to just the swinger?


brakes?
wires?


the manual stops at removal of engine.

[84honda200s]

ok the brakes arnt too bad. if you dont wanna bleed the breaks later just take the caliper off the swing arm line and all. there shoud be 2 bolts that hold the caliper to the mounting bracket on the swinger. just undo the bolts and the caliper should slide rite up and off. as for the rear master and stuff its bolted on as well. if you unbolt it all you can get it all off in one shot and not worry about bleeding the system at a later date.

just take your time and look it all over real good.

as for the wiring ... what are you doing ? you want the whole harness off ?

[rckstrgrl21]

I am going to powder coat the frame, foot pegs, hubs, grab bar, maybe swing arm (might polish instead)


polish my forks, triple tree, axle

ss bolt/nut kit

[84honda200s]

that should be one killer looking bike when your done.

ok so to take off the wire harness just unplug the switches and lights. they are color coded so when you go to put it together its not hard at all. i usually keep the coils attached to it when i pull mine off. it just makes it easier to keep track of it all that way.

[250rfreak]

im glad your doin good you found me a badass deal

[tapper190]

Nice Job! :w00t: Hopefilly you don't have to change the needle bearings in the swing arm, they are a royal pain! You have talked about the bolt kit you can get of e-bay, do you have the sellers name or information on it? Thanks and keep up the good work! Take lots of :pics: and post
Tapper

[Mrs.Mosh]

Good to see another Gal getting her hands dirty.This kinda stuff is fun and will teach you things about your bike.
You will know it front to back when you are done.

Before you take the wire harness off,you may want to draw a crude picture of the routing,so You know where it all goes when you reassemble it.Same with your fuel lines and stuff like that.
Good luck with it,cant wait to see the finished product.

[drhatc200]

ive been outside today doing about the same thing to mine just havent got the money to go to the extreme. im painting the plastic's with krylon plastic panit its looking good. painting frame with 99 cent walmart.lol got new set of moose handle bars and grips to go on it. took motor to honda shop today to get bored. gonna be running 20 over weisco. new did cam chain got new front and rear sprockets and chain.got my chrome dg exhaust from venom yesterday cant wait to hear it.

[scooterroo]

them dg exhausts thump on the 200x. nice deep rumble! gotta love them 200x's and the ease of working on them.

[rckstrgrl21]

ive been outside today doing about the same thing to mine just havent got the money to go to the extreme. im painting the plastic's with krylon plastic panit its looking good. painting frame with 99 cent walmart.lol got new set of moose handle bars and grips to go on it. took motor to honda shop today to get bored. gonna be running 20 over weisco. new did cam chain got new front and rear sprockets and chain.got my chrome dg exhaust from venom yesterday cant wait to hear it.

Well, let me tell you 1st hand....KRYLON FUSION FOR PLASTICS SUCKS!!!!....

I did my plastics the correct way, lightly sanded everything, did 1 super super light coat to get it to stick, then gave it light coats...letting it dry for 15 minutes, another light coat, letting it dry for 15 minutes, etc. In total i did about 30 coats. Then let it "cure" for 3 days before touching it. I carefully turn it over to do the other side the same way.....WELL when all said and done and i turned it back right side up, EVERY spot that touched the ground was chipped back to red.


1 30 minute light ride later, its all scratching away!!! I will never do that again, EVER! :banned: :banned: :banned: :banned:



I am doing this the right way. I always told myself do it right, do it once.

[RedRider_AK]

I am doing this the right way. I always told myself do it right, do it once.

Words to live by. :beer

[hinddee29]

30 coats? That's way way to many. The more paint you put on will work against you and crack. I agree I don't like the fusion either.
Have a questions. This plastic was used? What did you clean it with?
Or did you just start sanding? Reason is if it as any silicone base product on it and you didn't get it all off. When you sanded it you sanded the silicone into the plastic even more.

[scooterroo]

krylon fusion paint is a joke. stuff doesnt work as well as they say. i did my t3 fenders over 2 years ago, and the things still look like the day i finished them. i did a nice sanding to get rid of oxidation and whatever small scrathces where there, then i did a hotwater wet sand with some finer grits, and then washed the fenders with dawn dishwashing liquid, used automotive bumper primer for the base, then a flat white, and about 10 light light coats of the green. let it dry for a few days then put on my number plates, and laid down a few thin coats of clear. let them set for like a month, then buffed out and waxxed them. shine? geez i needed sunglasses on the first time i looked at them. like i said its been two years since i did them. they havent had any ride time yet, but been thru enough abuse in the garage alone that if they were going to chip or peel they would have by now. its all in the prep and craftsmanship. take your time and go slow, im sure you can accomplish what your after.

[drhatc200]

lol that sounds bad i just done it to make what i have look a little better im gonna get new plastic was just trying to get a better looking ride till then.

[350xrider911]

i had the sam problem with that paint. but i put primer down and it stuck alittle better.

[rckstrgrl21]

I first scrubbed it with dish soap, then i scrubbed it with a brillo pad and rinsed.

30 coats sounds like a lot, but when doing LIGHT coats it really isn't.


My plastics are really dry, so that might have a little to do with it.

[rckstrgrl21]

Wow, I can't believe it has been 2 YEARS since I pulled the engine out! ;-(


A lot happened in life since then and I wasn't able to do everything I wanted to ;-/

I took the engine over to the powersports shop and they tore it apart to discover the exhaust valve was fried. They are Boring the engine .05 over with a big bore kit. And then afterwards they are going to throw it all back together for me. ;-)

I miss riding it. Especially now that my family has a condo down in Rocky Point, Mexico. It would so nice to take it down there for weekend getaways and let it loose in the sand. ;-)

I think what I need to do/have is a trike to use & a seperate trike that I can re-do and make it all fancy.

Well, I thank all that have helped me, and had A LOT of patience with me. ;-) I learned a lot from all of this and I will be around here bugging you guys/gals some more :-)

[84honda200s]

welcome back .. time flies dont it ?

[tri-Z ripper]

time does fly especially when you wanna ride!

[rckstrgrl21]

Just an update:

The motor is all finished! Yay! ;-)

The dilemma I had was that the truck I usually use is out of town so I was trying to figure out how to get the chasis and stuff to the shop. I don't have a trailer and cannot get one due to the truck I have


sooo...In desperate times come desperate measures!

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/aa.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/RckStrGrl21/a.jpg


Should be ready to go in a few days! I can't wait!!! Memorial day weekend in Rocky Point here I come!!!

[Brockey]

Just a suggestion, I normally put the rear tires in and strap the front one on. Then there is less weight suspended. Nevertheless whatever works.

[rckstrgrl21]

Brockey= The rear is too wide to fit inside my truck, i tried that first. :-(

I get my trike back tonight, yippee!. The entire top end is re-done, bored half over.

I somehow lost my shifter pedal and front brake lever, so I had to order those to get them on.

The jetting was too high, so the shop fixed that.

The front master brake cylinder was completely frozen, so I had them put on a brand new one.

I ordered a Dura Blue +4 rear axle. I need new bushings before I can install it though.

And today I am taking it with me to Mexico for its first run in over 2 years!!!! Yippee, wish me & the 200x luck!

[oldtoys72]

Post up some pics!