Former owners of my trikes = shabby work = piss me off sometimes !!

[Huffa]

I can't believe this guy was a Honda mechanic and put the wrong pitch threaded bolts in all my triple clamps and what should take a minute or two to remove all eight turned in to a nightmare, I can just feel they are strippng the threads and one busted off so I might as well just go ahead and get other 83/84 R triple clamps (I'm sure they are realatively cheap) rather then screw around with trying to get them out.

I did heat them and that made it even worse.

I'll post WTB in the classifieds, if you have any, contact me there.

I'm sure a lot of you guys run into expeiriences like this too, feel free to share .

[SYKO]

if they strip out dont despair, go get some longer grade8 bolts and but a locking nut on the end grade8 dosnt look that bad and they will be stronger than stock

[Huffa]

if they strip out dont despair, go get some longer grade8 bolts and but a locking nut on the end grade8 dosnt look that bad and they will be stronger than stock

Great idea .......... but I'm really picky, I want it how it should be and who knows how many more bolts will break, :( I did not even get to the right side yet !

To hassle with getting the bolts out is really a pain, I worked up a sweat doing it, there in that bad, then getting the busted one(s) out, just not worth it, ya know ?

[SYKO]

well, if you think so.... I would just drill the basdards out and proceed to get some nice grade8 get some chrome acorn caps for them, then they will look trick! save some cash i say, cuz if your going to get another set of tripples I want your old ones! hehehehe

[Huffa]

well, if you think so.... I would just drill the basdards out and proceed to get some nice grade8 get some chrome acorn caps for them, then they will look trick! save some cash i say, cuz if your going to get another set of tripples I want your old ones! hehehehe

Drill them out!! I know exactly what will happen there, just know it, since the bolts are steel and the trips are aluminum, I'd wallow the holes out some what and I can only imagine how long it would take to drill through an inch or so of the bolt, screw that man ! :lol:

[Dirtcrasher]

Let me guess, he used a 5/16-18 standard thread in there that has a 1/2 hex head.

It's close to 8mm 1.25 but no cigar......

[atctim]

I've seen so much shotty work that pisses me off badly - but from a Honda Mechanic??????? WTF? - remind me to stay away from that Honda Shop!

[Chevy200s]

Now I see why you need new tripples. Like mentioned I would try carefully drilling and then retapping but thats just me. Actually, I had to do that one of my trikes a while back now that I think of it:lol: And I bet if you asked me then I would have rather just bought another set of tripple trees then fart around for hours with those ones, haha. If theres daylight when I get home I'll take those pics for you.

Yeah I've seen a lot of those kinds of fixes and to be honest I've done a few of them too, haha sometimes when you just want to get back out and ride you get desperate, and the magyver in ya comes out, haha. my buddies always say when something breaks, look out, here comes the farmer with a welder, haha

[Huffa]

yea, sometimes you got to do what ya got to do if your riding depends on it, trike won't be ready for a while (not even going to project a date anymore:lol:)
but I can just forsee what it will turn into, hours and hours of work and it's far easier to just buy a pair since the trike is just sitting anyway.

Maybe down the road I'll try to fix them but have too many other things to work on. I just keep adding to the list :rolleyes: .......not really fixes though, mainly painting.

[Huffa]

I've seen so much shotty work that pisses me off badly - but from a Honda Mechanic??????? WTF? - remind me to stay away from that Honda Shop!

I don't understand it either although I'm now wondering if the threads are right and if that grade of steel bolts (their all rusted) created some kind of fusion between the two (alum/steel) metals because the threads really don't seem screwed up yet they really, REALLY turn hard ? :wondering

Definitly not Honda bolts though, hardware store variety most likely but they should have not rusted so bad ?

I did PB blast them too, didn't help much.

[edog]

Will 85 200X triples work?

[TwoHundredEx]

I know the feeling.
Previous owner not only lied to me about rebuilding it when he did the timing chain, but he also torqued the head down with freakin' gorilla strength for no reason! Not to mention he stripped one of the allen head bolts, and had the top motor mount bolts just sitting there, with no nuts!

[Huffa]

Will 85 200X triples work?

No, got to be the stockers.

hey edog, you got new blue fork boots on yours right?

Wondering because I have brand new 85/86's for sale, their too large in diameter for mine.

[super90]

I know what its like to have all the ghetto fixes on my bikes. My 200x has been pretty well taken care of though. Owner never ventured into the engine so that was good. But they drilled holes all through the swingarm for a grease zerk that went nowhere since the carriers blocking the bearings. So that let water in and seized the timkin pins. Nothing stripped though or welded on. But my 110 was a different story. The guy who had it broke and exhaust stud and drilled the hole out way too big and used a super coarse wood screw to hold it in! The exhaust was the worst by far, they broke it then glued it together, then drilled out 2 holes on each side and used flat bar to hole it together.engine studs were just really long bolts too, and the next week I had it the engine just stopped working all together. Probably the worst 200 ive ever spent!

[Huffa]

I know the feeling.
Previous owner not only lied to me about rebuilding it when he did the timing chain, but he also torqued the head down with freakin' gorilla strength for no reason! Not to mention he stripped one of the allen head bolts, and had the top motor mount bolts just sitting there, with no nuts!

Yea, on these used machines there is usally quite a lot of hidden "surprizes".

Got it all fixed ?

[edog]

No, got to be the stockers.

hey edog, you got new blue fork boots on yours right?

Wondering because I have brand new 85/86's for sale, their too large in diameter for mine.

I think they mite be the same.

Are the boots NOS?

[Huffa]

I think they mite be the same.

Are the boots NOS?

They don't have to be NOS, you can still get brand new Honda OEM jobs, that what these are, just listed them in classifieds minutes ago, with pic.

Can't be the same, they are too large in diameter, your forks are larger and judging from the fitment, by about 2MM probably.

[TwoHundredEx]

Yea, on these used machines there is usally quite a lot of hidden "surprizes".

Got it all fixed ?

Nah, I decided it would be more beneficial, and cheaper to put the engine from my dirtbike in the X, then slowly rebuild the X motor and put it in the bike.
Sure wasn't happy though, when I found out the engine wasn't rebuilt. He assured more than once that he did a complete overhaul when he did the timing chain. But oh well, that's in the past. Atleast it gave me a good reason to make a 2 stoke X. :)

[Rookie]

I hear ya Huffa. When I went to take the oil filter rotor off my 83 200x , the lock nut was trashed. I couldn't get the tool on it to get it off. I had to cut the rotor off and then cut the nut off. Same thing with the nut on the clutch, it was trashed. I was so PO. Edog saved the day though, he had a complete oil filter rotor.

[Huffa]

I hear ya Huffa. When I went to take the oil filter rotor off my 83 200x , the lock nut was trashed. I couldn't get the tool on it to get it off. I had to cut the rotor off and then cut the nut off. Same thing with the nut on the clutch, it was trashed. I was so PO. Edog saved the day though, he had a complete oil filter rotor.

Yea, I hate when you visulize a job time wise .... "should take 20 mintes or so" and it turns into a 1/2 a day or DAYS till you get the right tool or part.

Now that I need clamps AND other fork boots what I thought would be an hour till it's back together will easily be over a WEEK !! :lol: YEP, guess you have to just laugh about it but 1st comes the PISSED OFF phase !

[Nightbiker07]

you have an oxy-acetalyne torch, or access to one?

take a small drill bit out, drill out the center of the bolt/s.
use the torch to spray fire through the center of the newly drilled hole.
bolt edges will melt away, and if your crafty, the bolt will be removed.
aluminum has a higher melting point than steel, but be careful as not to burn the surface of the clamps.

then re-drill the holes, and re-thread them all, and get matching bolts to go with the threads you just cut.

VOILA! your newly threaded triple clamps are ready to go!

[toocheaptosmoke]

I been there too. On my R, the frame has been hacked and welded in multiple places, rear brake was cobbled together, swingarm bolt was gone and it had a piece of all thread in its place. :eek:

[NINJA]

I been there too. On my R, the frame has been hacked and welded in multiple places, rear brake was cobbled together, swingarm bolt was gone and it had a piece of all thread in its place. :eek:

LMAO! Yeah, when I got my 84 200x when I was 14 it to had an all thread swingarm bolt. The sad thing is, I didn't know that was wrong and kept wondering why my chain kept derailing. The mechanic next door figured it out and replaced it with the oem bolt. That's when I decided I wanted to be a mechanic.

[Huffa]

you have an oxy-acetalyne torch, or access to one?

take a small drill bit out, drill out the center of the bolt/s.
use the torch to spray fire through the center of the newly drilled hole.
bolt edges will melt away, and if your crafty, the bolt will be removed.
aluminum has a higher melting point than steel, but be careful as not to burn the surface of the clamps.

then re-drill the holes, and re-thread them all, and get matching bolts to go with the threads you just cut.

VOILA! your newly threaded triple clamps are ready to go!

:lol: You make it sound ALL TOO EASY Nightbiker. I'll dick with it later, I'm more anxious to get other ideas:naughty: moving along.

[Huffa]

LMAO! Yeah, when I got my 84 200x when I was 14 it to had an all thread swingarm bolt. The sad thing is, I didn't know that was wrong and kept wondering why my chain kept derailing. The mechanic next door figured it out and replaced it with the oem bolt. That's when I decided I wanted to be a mechanic.

:lol: Years ago,I saw another machine that had that same "ultra trick" set up too :lol:

[Huffa]

I been there too. On my R, the frame has been hacked and welded in multiple places, rear brake was cobbled together, swingarm bolt was gone and it had a piece of all thread in its place. :eek:

That would definitly be classified as redneck, maybe we should do a "Who has the most Rednecked trike out there " post ? :D

[bp739]

Well heres my 85 350x ....some ROCKET SCIENTIST owned this one once. Where do I start..
1) Clutch lever was once a brake lever on a Schwinn :wondering
2) They welded a bolt across the header and held it into the motor with a hose clamp around the frame...only because the welds between the header pipe and the broken exhaust studs didnt hold...nice :crazy:
3) They welded some makeshift mounts to the frame to get the 83 200x swingarm to bolt up.:p
4) Not one brake part front or rear....just downshift to slow down I guess.:rolleyes:
5) Two shop rags and a zip tie for an air filter :lol:
6) Not one bolt holding the gas tank on...guess you just hold it with your knees while your riding..:crazy:
7) Sweet chrome fold away grab bar..:rolleyes:

Somewhere a villiage is missing it's idiot...:D...:crazy:

[Huffa]

Well heres my 85 350x ....some ROCKET SCIENTIST owned this one once. Where do I start..
1) Clutch lever was once a brake lever on a Schwinn :wondering
2) They welded a bolt across the header and held it into the motor with a hose clamp around the frame...only because the welds between the header pipe and the broken exhaust studs didnt hold...nice :crazy:
3) They welded some makeshift mounts to the frame to get the 83 200x swingarm to bolt up.:p
4) Not one brake part front or rear....just downshift to slow down I guess.:rolleyes:
5) Two shop rags and a zip tie for an air filter :lol:
6) Not one bolt holding the gas tank on...guess you just hold it with your knees while your riding..:crazy:
7) Sweet chrome fold away grab bar..:rolleyes:

Somewhere a villiage is missing it's idiot...:D...:crazy:

So far you, well the former owner, wins the red neck award fore sure :lol:

Your restore on both looks excellent, really nice, beautiful man!. I had 2 86's myself, definitly great machines and just love the red,white and blue color combo of them, it's balanced out just right.

Reguardless of power, the 86/87 200X is my favorite machine, the handling was surperb on them.

South West Pa your from, where abouts ?

[bp739]

South West Pa your from, where abouts ?

Mount Pleasant, about 45 miles SE of Pittsburgh...

[Huffa]

Mount Pleasant, about 45 miles SE of Pittsburgh...

Sent you a PM !

[Nightbiker07]

lol, i try not to make it sound easy.........
that process would actually be fairly involved, but it wouldnt be hard if you have done this sort of thing before.

but then again, most people dont run into the types of problems i have, so the "tricks" are unknown to most.

[toocheaptosmoke]

Well heres my 85 350x ....some ROCKET SCIENTIST owned this one once. Where do I start..
1) Clutch lever was once a brake lever on a Schwinn :wondering
2) They welded a bolt across the header and held it into the motor with a hose clamp around the frame...only because the welds between the header pipe and the broken exhaust studs didnt hold...nice :crazy:
3) They welded some makeshift mounts to the frame to get the 83 200x swingarm to bolt up.:p
4) Not one brake part front or rear....just downshift to slow down I guess.:rolleyes:
5) Two shop rags and a zip tie for an air filter :lol:
6) Not one bolt holding the gas tank on...guess you just hold it with your knees while your riding..:crazy:
7) Sweet chrome fold away grab bar..:rolleyes:

Somewhere a villiage is missing it's idiot...:D...:crazy:

Maybe the guy who had your X had my R at one time too. :lol:

[NINJA]

Well heres my 85 350x ....some ROCKET SCIENTIST owned this one once. Where do I start..
1) Clutch lever was once a brake lever on a Schwinn :wondering
2) They welded a bolt across the header and held it into the motor with a hose clamp around the frame...only because the welds between the header pipe and the broken exhaust studs didnt hold...nice :crazy:
3) They welded some makeshift mounts to the frame to get the 83 200x swingarm to bolt up.:p
4) Not one brake part front or rear....just downshift to slow down I guess.:rolleyes:
5) Two shop rags and a zip tie for an air filter :lol:
6) Not one bolt holding the gas tank on...guess you just hold it with your knees while your riding..:crazy:
7) Sweet chrome fold away grab bar..:rolleyes:

Somewhere a villiage is missing it's idiot...:D...:crazy:

Hmmmm, I wonder how many people got severely injured because of redneck injuneering like that and then blamed it on the threewheeler?

[chris200x]

I can't believe a certified honda mechanic would do such a thing. That bike seemed to be very well taken care of bud. But I guess you have to expect some problems with an old bike.

I guess one sure way to find out is to take one of the bolts to a hardware store like lowes.. they have that bolt chart usually where you can match up thread sizes, and pitch etc.. see if it fits into a standard or metric.

I'm sure most of the guys complaining about rigged bikes in this thread are themselves guilty of the same crime. :lol: I once jb welded an intake to a cylinder! :eek: :rolleyes:

[Huffa]

I can't believe a certified honda mechanic would do such a thing. That bike seemed to be very well taken care of bud. But I guess you have to expect some problems with an old bike.

I guess one sure way to find out is to take one of the bolts to a hardware store like lowes.. they have that bolt chart usually where you can match up thread sizes, and pitch etc.. see if it fits into a standard or metric.

I'm sure most of the guys complaining about rigged bikes in this thread are themselves guilty of the same crime. :lol: I once jb welded an intake to a cylinder! :eek: :rolleyes:

I need a bolt chart myself ! I have tons of bolts and nuts and a "chart" sizer would make it so easy to identify them. Are they available to us from somewhere?

You might of missed my post that the (other theory) threads may be right and fusion took place between the steel and aluminum and that's why they are siezed in there. The threads are not butchered up at all but then I guess they wouldn't be, it's the softer aluminum threads that get screwed up. I didn't visually inspect the threads real good in the trips yet though.

I never Jury rigged, red necked anything, well unless on trail and had to, even my 64 Schwinn Stingray I wanted just right :lol: