175cc 2 Stroke X Build... Video, April 17th [Archive]

TwoHundredEx

09-18-2007, 10:30 PM

After a lot of time thinking of what I can do to give my 200x engine a little more power while it's out, I noticed my dirtbike sitting in the corner of the shed.
A 2 stroke 6 spd, 1984 Suzuki PE175. Runs...somewhat. Has major carb. problems, but could easily be fixed with a new carb.
It's a fast bike for it's age and size. I blew away 125's all day with that thing.
Anyways, the bike is only about 70 pounds lighter than the trike. I think I read in the manual that it's about 216, and the X is what, 280 something? So I don't expect a huge power loss when putting it in the X, gearing can fix that.
What we've decided to do is price out a new carb. and get the engine running perfect while it's still in the bike. Then, after that we can pull it, and start working on alignment and motor mounts. Sadly this won't be a "finished next week" kind of thing. I'll try to get it done as fast as possible, but a lack of funds and welder is going to mean that this may take me a little while. I hope it turns out to be a quick little trike though.
Anyways... pics.
Donor:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture034.jpg
Sadly, it doesn't look that nice anymore. So I don't feel as bad about robbing the engine from it.
Recipient:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture026.jpg

rally4x4racer

09-18-2007, 10:45 PM

TwoHundredEx

09-18-2007, 10:51 PM

I thought about this with a 175 tri moto engine and a pile of 200x parts I have - but I lack the main factor: motivation

I look forward to seeing your progress. Have you measured the engine mounts to see how hard it is going to be - or are you just taking the any motor will fit with modification approach?

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I haven't really looked at the motor mounts very closely yet. But I'll probably end up taking the second approach anyway, my dad is good friends with a mechanic who can weld everything up for me.

at least if you get the bike running and the swap is too much hassle you can ride th ebike again
Exactly what I was thinking. I just hope I don't change my mind when I ride the bike for one last time. The powerband is definitely nice on it, I'm a 160#'s and it still throws me back if I'm not expecting it. :)

SYKO

09-19-2007, 12:25 AM

I would repaint the X in suzuki blue and yellow! that would be hot

Kilborg

09-19-2007, 08:41 AM

Thats a pretty clean PE to gut for a trike motor, especially if it only has carb problems.

If you got the extra cash, why not pick up another PE motor then you can have the bike and the trike running the same mill?

Nice 200x roller btw.

oldskool83

09-19-2007, 08:53 AM

Make it an auto-x...let the PE alone.

SYKO

09-19-2007, 09:22 AM

I say chop it! or better yet, add the 200x swinger and forks to the PE! lower the subframe and ride out!

storm_impulse

09-19-2007, 09:36 AM

I say chop it! or better yet, add the 200x swinger and forks to the PE! lower the subframe and ride out!

now theres an idea! fully custom trike.

BigGreenMachine

09-19-2007, 09:38 AM

That X is pretty hot. I'd go ahead and do the swap, it'll be fast for a small trike.

WHat part of Canada are you in?

TwoHundredEx

09-19-2007, 10:21 AM

Nah, the PE doesn't look that good anymore. That pic was taken quite a while ago. All the stickers are falling off, the paints faded, grips are torn up, and I've robbed the number plate and shifter for the trike. I'll keep the PE and try to find another motor for it later on, but for now I'd like to make this X a 2 stroke.

OR, I'll slowly rebuild the 200x motor when I get this one running, and throw that in the PE...

Oh, and BigGreenMachine, I'm BC.

jeffatc250r

09-19-2007, 04:15 PM

How does the bike motor mount up, does the swingarm bolt go through the back of the motor? Only thing i would be concerned about is that, if you have to make a new cradle as i did on my atc 500 you will be in for a treat, it is kinda agrivating making new frame rails. But if you can get that bad boy in that x frame with only making new mounts i say give it hell!

mdskinner731

09-19-2007, 04:30 PM

all right.. i keep seeing people refering to an "auto x" i was wondering what exactley is that?

jeffatc250r

09-19-2007, 04:56 PM

all right.. i keep seeing people refering to an "auto x" i was wondering what exactley is that?

Just a 200s motor in a 200x

mdskinner731

09-19-2007, 09:08 PM

ahh i see!!!

TwoHundredEx

09-19-2007, 10:30 PM

I thought about going the auto X route, but honestly, we've got an auto quad and it's just not as fun to me as a manual. Not to mention the motor in the PE would kill an auto 200, and since it's nearly stock, a simple pipe/silencer combo would really wake this engine up.

TwoHundredEx

09-19-2007, 10:40 PM

Quick comparison of the slide from the PE(left) and the 200x. Little bit of an upgrade eh? :)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture041.jpg

MTS

09-19-2007, 10:43 PM

Dig up a older 36mm flatslide if you want some real snap off the bottem, and dont cheap out on the pipe, have one built to fit the machine, hacking and welding the stocker isnt gona work.

TwoHundredEx

09-19-2007, 10:47 PM

Dig up a older 36mm flatslide if you want some real snap off the bottem, and dont cheap out on the pipe, have one built to fit the machine, hacking and welding the stocker isnt gona work.

I wouldn't mind finding a bigger carb. but for now, I'll just be buying a stock replacement, as long as they still make them. Stock is 34mm, which isn't bad anyways.
And I definitely won't be cheaping out on the pipe. I really want this to sound nice too, so I'll be sinking some money into that.

jeffatc250r

09-19-2007, 11:11 PM

Dig up a older 36mm flatslide if you want some real snap off the bottem, and dont cheap out on the pipe, have one built to fit the machine, hacking and welding the stocker isnt gona work.

To have a custom pipe made its prob gonna be $400, or even more. I say hack the stocker, did you look into what its gonna take to get that motor in there?

TwoHundredEx

09-19-2007, 11:18 PM

To have a custom pipe made its prob gonna be $400, or even more. I say hack the stocker, did you look into what its gonna take to get that motor in there?

Not yet. Didn't have time today. I'll defiitely start measuring things tomorrow, but I'm really not worried. I don't want to use the term "bolt on" but I feel that it'll be fairly easy. The motors are pretty close in size, and the front motor mounts are damn close. I think the hardest parts will be routing the exhaust, and the kickstarter.

MTS

09-20-2007, 10:44 PM

To have a custom pipe made its prob gonna be $400, or even more. I say hack the stocker, did you look into what its gonna take to get that motor in there?

Well no shat, it cost Money to go fast, Sure you could hack the stocker but chance's are unless you know what your doing or get lucky its going to run slower than a stock 200x.

dirt bike dan

09-20-2007, 11:06 PM

that pe is probably worth more than youd think. they dont make many if any parts for it anymore either, so keeping the motor running could be a problem. its a cool idea but any mx 125 will pass it

NINJA

09-21-2007, 02:36 AM

that pe is probably worth more than youd think. they dont make many if any parts for it anymore either, so keeping the motor running could be a problem. its a cool idea but any mx 125 will pass it

If you wanna make an omelet you gotta break a few eggs!

jeffatc250r

09-21-2007, 03:30 PM

Well no shat, it cost Money to go fast, Sure you could hack the stocker but chance's are unless you know what your doing or get lucky its going to run slower than a stock 200x.

Umm, ya unless he decides to go all out and have a lot of motor work done i dont see a need for an expensive hand made pipe that may add a few hp, my 500 has a "hacked pipe" and it runs the same as it did when it was in the bike frame. For the money its gonna cost for a new exhaust he can put it towards freshening up the motor, i think that is a better call and im sure most everyone else would agree. Reshaping his old pipe isnt going to harm performance on any noticeable leval.

TwoHundredEx

09-21-2007, 08:25 PM

Umm, ya unless he decides to go all out and have a lot of motor work done i dont see a need for an expensive hand made pipe that may add a few hp, my 500 has a "hacked pipe" and it runs the same as it did when it was in the bike frame. For the money its gonna cost for a new exhaust he can put it towards freshening up the motor, i think that is a better call and im sure most everyone else would agree. Reshaping his old pipe isnt going to harm performance on any noticeable leval.

Exactly what I was hoping to hear.
AND, I just found out that the guy who's going to be doing the welding for me, also knows how to fabricate exhaust, and/or modify/tune them...:)
So tomorrow afternoon I'll be giving Holeshot (parts distributor) a call and see if I can still get a carb. for it. I would think that I can, because I've gone through them before to get parts for the bike.
And usually if they can't get it, they're really good with trying to find me one that'll work for it.
And if they do, I'll hopefully get it running by the middle of next week so we can start on getting it in the X.

jeffatc250r

09-21-2007, 08:51 PM

TwoHundredEx

09-21-2007, 09:17 PM

jeffatc250r

09-21-2007, 09:40 PM

I wouldnt go any smaller, 34mm huh? Same size that the liquid 250r's have, im sure you could post a wanted ad here and get a nice 34mm keihin oval slide cheap.

TwoHundredEx

09-21-2007, 09:46 PM

I wouldnt go any smaller, 34mm huh? Same size that the liquid 250r's have, im sure you could post a wanted ad here and get a nice 34mm keihin oval slide cheap.

I'd like to but I would have no way of paying since I'm not old enough for a paypal account.
And I thought it was the same size as the liquid R carb. but I wasn't too sure. So what I could do then is if they can't get me a stock carb., I could see if they could get me an 85-86? liquid R carb...right?
Sorry for the questions, I'm just trying to make sure I understand this.

jeffatc250r

09-21-2007, 09:56 PM

Pay-pal is nice, but money orders work just as good!

TwoHundredEx

09-21-2007, 10:03 PM

I guess I've never thought about money orders. Could definitely be an option.

NINJA

09-22-2007, 01:44 AM

What size carb are you planning on getting? What is on it already? And what do you plan on doing with this bike, is it just going to be a daily rider type of rig? From what ive noticed bigger carb =more emphasis on top end where as a smaller seems to be much snappier down low, im not really sure on the physics behind it or if that is absolutely true, but it seems to be what happens to my r when i play around with different size carbs, maybee someone else who knows more on this can shed some light, or maybe im wrong :lol:

When you have a smaller carburetor you get a greater venturi effect, as in the incoming intake charge to your ports is moving at a greater velocity. This is due to the fact that the air is being bottlenecked through the carburetor thus pulling fuel with it at a higher speed. It's like when you put the anteater looking attachment on your shopvac, it sucks harder. When you throw a larger carburetor on your bike and open the throttle it takes longer for the intake charge to speed up. That is why they now put accelerator pumps on the carbs in the modern mx machines. When you open your throttle quickly the pump shoots a tiny stream of fuel down the throat of the carb to balance out all the air rushing into your motor. Ride a YZ450F, huge carb, instant throttle response.

DarkestGKnight

09-22-2007, 02:42 PM

hey i have a web site where u can get any stock part for the pe. its called naturecoastmotorsports.com go to suzuki then type in year,model, and motorcyclea and run threw the names of bikes and both the 175 and 250 are there.

jason 32

09-22-2007, 09:28 PM

auto's suck for hard ridin ,and climbin ect...
man thats a nice vintage pe- i would sell it /keep it- something--- no way i would kill it
you can always get a different motor off something

DarkestGKnight

09-22-2007, 10:07 PM

hey just to let u kno i have a rs which is the same as the pe only different head light but u can put a rm250 engine in the pe i am pretty sure its the same engine bolts.

jason 32

09-22-2007, 11:10 PM

the pe gear box will be funner since its designed for trails ,be a lil wider ratio
but i still wouldn't do it - i d snag the rm motor- lol

TwoHundredEx

09-22-2007, 11:25 PM

Jeez you guys are acting like I'll be destroying the PE. I'm only switching the engines.
I don't know if you actually read the whole thread but I've already decided that I will be putting the 200X engine in the PE once I get the X all set up with the 2 stroke.

It's still going to look the same, it'll just sound a little different. :)
And it's not like I'm wrecking it's "collector/vintage status", because that went out the window with all the cosmetic changes that were made to it.

But yeah, I'll definitely be keeping it. I've done way to much work to it cosmetically to just get rid of it.

Nick_R_23

09-23-2007, 04:23 AM

If I were you, I would sell the bike and buy an XL185 motor, they are geared for street and haul @ss in a 200x. Or possibly even a CR motor. I have a CR80 motor Ive been thinking about putting in a 200x frame. Whatever you decide to do, good luck with it!!

-Nick :TrikesOwn

TwoHundredEx

09-23-2007, 01:33 PM

I thought about an XL185 but I've already decided that I want a 2 stroke in it.

Basically, the whole reason I picked the engine was because it's the perfect size. A 125cc doesn't have the power this has,
And if I was going to go through the trouble of a putting a 250cc in it, I would've just sold it and bought a 250R.
And since I like doing projects like this, and having things that nobody else has, it was perfect.
I really don't think it'll have a problem hauling the X.

NINJA

09-23-2007, 06:40 PM

I've never been against this project, more power to ya! Besides, I've never seen it done, go for it.

TwoHundredEx

09-24-2007, 07:33 PM

I've never been against this project, more power to ya! Besides, I've never seen it done, go for it.

Thanks
And thanks for clearing up the carb. size questions. Really made it easy to understand.

Dirtcrasher

09-24-2007, 08:14 PM

DarkestGKnight

09-24-2007, 08:30 PM

scrap the rest they didnt make many of these bikes, they are true vintage suzukis, hey go for the trike idea i like it, just make something out of the pe or sell it, like i said ill buy some parts if u want to part with it.

TwoHundredEx

09-25-2007, 12:04 AM

"Buy an XL, buy a CR".... Basically the kid has a free 2 stroke motor, why not use it?. It comes from an other wise useless older PE that he obviously doesn't care to ride anymore. Sell the PE in pieces, it's not worth crap in terms of a true "Vintage" once the motor gets swapped with a tired 200X motor. I'd sell the 200X motor for parts too.

Everyone has there input but at least SOMEONE is trying to make a nasty ATC and not just talking about it.

It's a PE, not an RM, CR, KX420 or other more desirable vintage bikes. Use it, enjoy it and scrap the rest. Just my TWO CENTS.....

Well I'm glad I'm not the only one looking at it that way.
BUT, just for the record, I WILL be rebuilding the 200x engine before it goes in the PE, with XR200 parts.
And I completely understand that it isn't worth anything in terms of vintage/collector status. Like I said in an earlier post, that idea went out the window with cosmetic changes that we did to it.

scrap the rest they didnt make many of these bikes, they are true vintage suzukis, hey go for the trike idea i like it, just make something out of the pe or sell it, like i said ill buy some parts if u want to part with it.

I understand that they're weren't a ton of these made, but Dirtcrasher hit the nail on the head...Sure they're vintage but they're just not that desirable, you're not going to see a demand for PE's anytime soon.
But if I do decide to part it out, you'll get first dibs on it.

Nick_R_23

09-25-2007, 02:18 AM

TwoHundredEx

09-25-2007, 09:25 PM

Im not against it either, I think it will be a kick @ss bike, but I was just stating my .02 on what I would do. BTW, whats keepin ya? Tear this thing down and start it already!!! :lol: J/k just raggin',, cant wait to see it finished!!!

-Nick :TrikesOwn

Thanks.
The carb. is the only thing holding me back now. I could tear it down and start mocking it up but I think I'd rather get it running perfect in the bike first. Will probably make things easier in the long run.
But I am definitely anxious to see how well it throws the 200x around. :naughty:

TwoHundredEx

09-26-2007, 10:33 PM

Well after a little thinking, I've decided to tear the bike down and get the engine out. My thinking is, if replace the carb. and it turns out that it's not the carb. and is actually a cracked piston or reeds, I'd be pissed. So I'll eliminate everything else first.
Anyways, got it somewhat torn down. Tomorrow will involve removing the chain, and all the electrical, and then actually pulling the engine.
Anyways, heres a little pic:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture050-1.jpg

I also decided to trade bars with the PE. I like the wider, lower profile bars better than the stock X bars, and they feel really nice on there.

BEFORE:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture043.jpg

After:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture045.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture046.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture049.jpg

TwoHundredEx

09-27-2007, 07:52 PM

Well I got the engine out, and threw it in the X frame.
It's a tight fit....a real tight fit. It's quite a bit longer than it looked. The area for the carb. will be an issue, and I'll need to ground down one of the front engine mounts, but other than that, it fits pretty damn good!
I even got the rear mount to line up!
The pictures are a little dark, but I'm too lazy to take more right now. If anybody wants any better pics, I'll take them later.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture054.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture053-2.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture055-1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture061-1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture062-1.jpg

I also weighed each engine while it was out... First is the X engine, second is the PE. :naughty:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture051-1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture052.jpg

ATC-Eric

09-27-2007, 09:24 PM

NICE!!!!!

Thats an awesome build.

jeffatc250r

09-27-2007, 09:59 PM

You mentioned the carb will be an issue, is it because of the rear shock?

TwoHundredEx

09-27-2007, 10:32 PM

You mentioned the carb will be an issue, is it because of the rear shock?

Yep. It's turning out to be more of an issue than I thought. The carb. fit's back there, but that's about all that'll fit. I'll have maybe an inch to spare. Although, the engine is tilted back quite a bit right now because of one of the front engine mounts hitting downtube. Once we get that all figured out I should gain an inch or two more. Still doesn't leave me much to work with though.

TwoHundredEx

09-27-2007, 10:48 PM

Heres a picture of how close it is:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture063-1.jpg

rally4x4racer

09-28-2007, 12:07 AM

lookin' good

jeffatc250r

09-28-2007, 04:12 PM

post a pic of the intake, is there any way to perhaps find one with an angle so you can get your carb to point away from the shock, maybee even make one? If you have access to something like a bridgeport you could make the flat piece that has all the bolt holes, then weld a aluminum tube in the middle about an inch long, then go to your local parts store and find the perfectly angled piece of hose to clamp on there to get the carb pointing in the direction you need.

Dirtcrasher

09-28-2007, 05:41 PM

Looks like a pretty decent fit aside from the carb.

Someone mentioned a Bridgeport and some hose.

One thing I always thought of for changing the carbs angle was making a spacer plate out of aluminum say 3/8 thick or so, then mill it at an angle to achieve the desired angle either up/down and side to side. If you attach the carb to the boot and use real long bolts but allow it to float against the cylinder head, you can take a scale ruler and figure out which edge or edges need to be milled how much and at what angle to change the angle of your carb.

It is an easy project and an easy way to point that carb somewhere else.

It cannot be angled any other way as you need both surfaces to be perfectly flat.

TwoHundredEx

09-28-2007, 08:07 PM

The intake isn't bolted on.
It's molded into the engine, so no go on the aluminum spacer plate.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture065-1.jpg

I'm thinking with a combination of straightening the shock, and tilting the engine forward, I can get myself enough room to maybe run a hose to the side and into the stock airbox. But those are just ideas right now, not really set on what I want to do yet.

I did get a little more done today though.
Switched over the little electrical that there was, and noticed how perfect the alignment is. With the engine perfectly center, the chain is dead straight, which was nice to see. Might need to add a link or two though, but I won't know for sure until I get the engine sitting flat.

storm_impulse

09-28-2007, 08:27 PM

very nice build. i though about killing my 490 yz and slapping the motor in my 200x. i already know the top end wont fit into the frame. many props on the well done job u have accomplished so far.

Black86tri-z

09-28-2007, 08:57 PM

walk around home depot might b surprised at what you might find to help the carb,wonder if it would run if the carb was mounted towards the foot peg with a 45 off the intake

SYKO

09-28-2007, 10:46 PM

turn the cylinder backwards and have the carb in front with ram air and run a straight drag pipe out the rear.......

TwoHundredEx

09-29-2007, 05:58 PM

Okay, another question.
When I took off the exhaust, I noticed 2 dents in the back of the expansion chamber. Both are about a half inch deep, and around 1x2"s in size. Is it worth getting these fixed?
Am I losing power because of them?

super90

09-29-2007, 07:18 PM

TwoHundredEx

09-29-2007, 07:30 PM

Alot of my friends dirtbikes have dents from laying them over and theres really no performance loss that I can tell. But isnt that thing a backwards kick? How will that be modified to work besides trimming the plastic?

Yep it's a rear kicker. It's not something that I'm really worried about right now. And I haven't really thought about it alot. If I was going to trim the fenders I'd have to take pretty much the whole fender out to clear the kicker. So for a while I'll just be taking off the rear fenders when I want to start it. But once I get sick of that, (which won't take long) I'll look into modifying it somehow.

EDIT: Actually, I think I might go out there right now and take a look at what can be done.

TwoHundredEx

09-29-2007, 08:59 PM

Well I ended up getting a little sidetracked with trying to get the X motor in the PE, but it looks like I'll have to shorten the kicker and trim the fenders. I'm still going to try to find another way though, because I don't really like the idea of trimming.

TwoHundredEx

09-29-2007, 10:09 PM

Well I've decided to go with straightening the rear shock, and tilting the engine forward idea for the carb. issue. To straighten the shock I'll be getting an upper mount welded in when I get the engine mounts done. It'll raise up the rear end up, which I wanted anyway. Something like this:
STOCK:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture071.jpg

Raised:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture070-1.jpg

It won't be quite that high once the weight is on the shock and things like that, but I like it. Looks alot better in person too. Can't wait to get the mount welded in and see the final ride height.

super90

09-29-2007, 10:17 PM

Looks like its going really good so far. So do the sprockets and everything line up?

TwoHundredEx

09-29-2007, 10:27 PM

Looks like its going really good so far. So do the sprockets and everything line up?

Yep, they line up perfectly, and the chain fits the PE sprocket.
I'll be running the sprocket thats on the engine right now which is an 11 tooth. So the ratio will be a 40-11. The bike was a 45-11 and even though I've never had it topped out in 6th, I would assume it's capable of 70mph+ easily. So with this 40 tooth, the top end is going to be fun. :naughty:

4cylinders

09-30-2007, 02:46 PM

hry, why not swap the PE engine cradle with the 200x cradle?

TwoHundredEx

09-30-2007, 04:08 PM

hry, why not swap the PE engine cradle with the 200x cradle?

I thought about that, but it seems like it would just be extra work. Right now all I have to do is shave some of the front of the PE engine mount so that it sits flat, and then fabricate some mounts. If I switched cradles, it would involve the same amount of work, plus the actual switching of the cradles and since the cradles are very similar it wouldn't be much of a benefit other than the bottom engine mount... if that makes any sense.

4cylinders

09-30-2007, 09:37 PM

hey, why not put a bottle jack in there and push the down tube forward about an inch/25mm?

jason 32

10-01-2007, 03:02 AM

looks good- how you going to kick start it?

TwoHundredEx

10-01-2007, 10:43 AM

looks good- how you going to kick start it?

I'll just be taking off the rear fenders when I want to start it, until I come up with a better way. I don't really want to trim the fenders.

I made up a rear shock mount yesterday. Raised it 3"s in the rear.
I modified the stock 200X upper engine mounts for the bracket, worked pretty good. Just need to get them all welded in, and replace the top bolt with something a little stronger.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture072-1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture073.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture076.jpg

SYKO

10-01-2007, 10:49 AM

damn that thing looks RIGHT! suzuki motor....you have to make that trike blue and yellow!! ALT 175 baby!!!

DarkestGKnight

10-01-2007, 05:05 PM

would u mind posting a pic of the pe with the 200 motor in or a pic of both seperate? thanks

TwoHundredEx

10-01-2007, 05:40 PM

damn that thing looks RIGHT! suzuki motor....you have to make that trike blue and yellow!! ALT 175 baby!!!

Thanks, yeah I'm really tempted to paint it yellow, but I just painted the white at the beginning of last month! It's barely set in.
Once the white gets scratched enough (which won't be long, I don't think I prepped the plastic enough for this Krylon to stick very well) I'll strip it down again and throw some nice yellow on it.

would u mind posting a pic of the pe with the 200 motor in or a pic of both seperate? thanks

Yep, I can get you one in a little while.

super90

10-01-2007, 06:14 PM

So did you figure out how the exhaust will work in that frame? That and the carb seems like the biggest problems. The mounts shouldnt be very hard to fab up I dont think.

Is that shock mount one of the old engine mounts?? It looks similar to the top engine mounts on my 200x.

TwoHundredEx

10-01-2007, 06:18 PM

So did you figure out how the exhaust will work in that frame? That and the carb seems like the biggest problems. The mounts shouldnt be very hard to fab up I dont think.

Nah the mounts won't be hard at all. Carb. problem is a little better now with the shock mount I put on there, but the exhaust will be a little more tricky. The guy who's doing all the welding for me know hows to fab/mod exhaust setups, so hopefully when we bring it in to him, which will hopefully be next weekend, he can figure out a way to modify the pipe to make it work.

TwoHundredEx

10-01-2007, 08:24 PM

Heres pics of the 200X engine in the PE.
Not a bad fit at all, tons of room, would be relatively easy to get it set up in there.
I just kind of set the exhaust on there, that's why it's hanging so low like that.
Chain lines up, but the engine is a little crooked right now which is why it's off a bit:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture081.jpg

It's hitting the tank a tad, but the engine isn't quite sitting flat, so that could be why.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture078.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture077.jpg

DarkestGKnight

10-01-2007, 08:57 PM

thanks did u have to cut the bar under the tank were the coil goes?

TwoHundredEx

10-01-2007, 09:15 PM

thanks did u have to cut the bar under the tank were the coil goes?

Nope, it's all still there. Since I can't do much more to the X until I get the mounts done, I'll work on the bike a little bit this week and get the electrical in there, and see if I can get it sitting properly in there.

TwoHundredEx

10-03-2007, 12:02 AM

Well, tomorrow were bringing it in to the mechanic to get everything welded and try to get the exhaust routed.He said he'd work on it when he's got some free time this week.

Anybody have any input on the rear kicker?
Like I said before, I'd really like to avoid cutting the fenders, and I konw that taking the fenders off everytime I want to start will get annoying, very quick.
I've looked at it a bit, and it doesn't seem like theres much else to do though.

icp4life162005

10-03-2007, 01:45 AM

get rid of the fenders all together, pop start it every time, some kind of hinge setup up? cut the fender off completely and then have a mount system so that it could be quickly removed and replaced.

Nick_R_23

10-03-2007, 01:58 AM

Both of them look like theyre coming along really nice!!! As for the fenders, icp4life has a good idea, make some sort of a hinge setup for the fenders. Take a look at the 85 Big Red, I believe the rear fenders on them have a hinge setup, maybe you could fab one up similar to it, or possibly just use one from a Big Red?

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/Brochures/ATCsite/85atc250esi.html
Should be able to see what Im talking about here, on one of the pics on the right, they show the machine with the fenders proped up.

-Nick :TrikesOwn

TwoHundredEx

10-03-2007, 07:11 PM

I like the idea of a hinge setup, something I've never thought of.
Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do. I'll definitely look into that when I get it back.

200x Basket

10-04-2007, 05:26 PM

look for my 500r build post. i hinged my fenders.

TwoHundredEx

10-04-2007, 09:34 PM

look for my 500r build post. i hinged my fenders.

I found your thread, and the one on .org, but I'm not sure I quite understand what you did. Do you have any close up pics?

TwoHundredEx

10-06-2007, 10:30 PM

Since the trike isn't done yet, decided to work on the PE a little bit today and got the engine mounted.
I was able to use the stock rear PE engine mount, and got the X mounts to line up the bottom 2 holes in the front.

I also sanded down the side panels and tank and filled in any major scratches. I'm not sure which color I'll be painting it yet though, kinda thinking about blue/white like the trike...

I thought it looked kind of empty in the first pic without the stock airbox, but with it on, it didn't leave any room for the X carb. So I decided to just put the covers on. It looks better, and since I'll just be putting a clamp on filter, it made a good shield for debris.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture087.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture089.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture090.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture091.jpg

Nick_R_23

10-14-2007, 01:58 AM

Any progress??? :pics: :pics: :pics:

-Nick :TrikesOwn

NINJA

10-14-2007, 02:19 AM

That will actually be a really nice bike. Should be awsome for technical stuff.

RedRider_AK

10-14-2007, 02:56 AM

What I would do is make a panel in your fender that you can remove to clear the kickstart. Maybe attach it using those "no-tool" darts or something. Maybe some bolts with wingnuts.

TwoHundredEx

10-14-2007, 12:49 PM

No new pics, because the trike is still at the mechanics, but we did make a little progress on the exhaust. We went down there yesterday, and ended up getting the expansion chamber to fit in between the tank and head mostly. The header will probably hit the rear of the front fender though, so I'll have to trim it a bit.

Basically, all that's left to do is weld up the exhaust, modify the downtube a bit, and get the damn thing running!
There will be a few little things left though, like the rear brake, extending the shifter a bit, and the rear kick.
I think for the rear kick I'll be hinging the rear fenders. Seems like it would be the most logical, since I'm trying to avoid any cutting to the fenders.

Dirtcrasher

10-15-2007, 11:49 AM

TwoHundredEx

11-11-2007, 12:07 AM

Well it's been a little while since I've updated this, but I got a little bit farther today. Made up the front engine mounts and bolted it up, along with the rear mount so it's nice and solid now.

Tried my hardest to get the PE exhaust to work but theres just noway it'll happen. The only way it'll fit between the tank and the head is if it rests on the head, and is right agains all the electrical, which I don't want. Not to mention the header is only a couple inches away from the front tire and the tailpipe rubs on the frame.

But I may have solved that problem. Found a mint KDX200 pipe on Craigslist that I think will work. The reason being that the expansion chamber sits mostly outside the frame unlike the PE pipe which needed to be wedged in. I'm hoping that with a little work to the header, we can make it fit.

TwoHundredEx

11-17-2007, 10:28 PM

Little bit of an update; Pics with the motor mounts, and chain on.
Got the exhaust done today too, but no pics since I left it there for him to finish welding. I'm not going to lie though, it's not the prettiest thing in the world. It's not really that it looks bad, just the way the expansion chamber comes out... you'll see next week sometime.
Also, for the chain, it's not supposed to look like that is it? I haven't tightened it up yet, but should it have that much of an angle in it? Not sure what to do about that yet, anyone have any ideas? I guess the front sprocket was a little higher on the X motor.

Hint for anyone doing any motor swaps and trying to route an exhaust...Don't paint your frame first. :(

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture030-1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture035-1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture028-2.jpg

Dirtcrasher

11-17-2007, 11:46 PM

Looking gook kid!! Don't sweat the small crap like your scratched frame or exhaust. This is your 1st try and you can only improve from here!! :beer

Can't wait till it's running!! Just let your friends laugh :naughty:

TwoHundredEx

11-18-2007, 12:11 AM

Thanks!
It's mostly my fault that the frame is like that anyways. I didn't prep it enough to begin with. But you're right, I can only get better now.
And I'm hoping that I can get the pipe back early next week so that I can get it running before the weekend. I'll try to get some videos posted too.

RedRider_AK

11-18-2007, 02:28 AM

Looks positively sick! I can't wait to see the thing ready to run, it should be about the same as a stock Blaster in terms of performance... :)

I think I've seen more hacked up exhausts than that, so we'll see!

jason 32

11-18-2007, 07:04 PM

TwoHundredEx

11-18-2007, 07:23 PM

looks like the chain is going to eat the swinger up - the angle is too steep
the chain will ware through the rubber ,and then the metal if you dont make some brackets to set the engine up a lil higher

The engine can't go up any higher. Can't I just modify the bracket for the guide on the swinger? I'd rather lower that, the raise the engine.

EDIT: I just went out and looked and realize why I can't do that. But, I also realized that the angle isn't as steep as it looks in the pic. I think I'll run it like that for a little bit, and check on it every few rides. If I start to notice any wear, I'll figure something out.

TwoHundredEx

11-29-2007, 11:24 PM

Got the pipe back today!

I told you guys it wasn't pretty :D

We don't have the mounts made yet, so I made a ghetto mount by clamping a hose clamp on and then hooking the springs to it :) It works for now. We tried to get it running tonight by pulling by the quad, and man, is it ever close. It actually ran a couple times but got worse as it went on. By then end it wouldn't even fire at all. I'd take the plug out, clean it, throw it back in and it would fire a couple times then stop. Exactly what it was doing when it was in the bike. Were going to go out and by some nice expensive plugs and see if that helps. It sounded mean when it did run though.

The pics are pretty crappy, but I'll get better ones tomorrow.
My ghetto mount:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture069.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture066.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture068-2.jpg

DarkestGKnight

11-29-2007, 11:33 PM

nicee that thing i think looks cool, i bet it does sound mean those old pe's are nutz

Danold

11-29-2007, 11:34 PM

I would repaint the X in suzuki blue and yellow! that would be hot

I totally agree:beer . that would look awsome. I was thinking of put a 2-stroker in my spare 200x roller.

Danold

11-29-2007, 11:50 PM

RedRider_AK

11-29-2007, 11:51 PM

Damn that's a BIG PIPE! Jeez!

It looks VERY NICE. I congratulate you on your accomplishment.

I remember using the old hose clamp and springs technique on my old Yammi V-Max 500 snowmobile. Worked all winter :)

NINJA

11-30-2007, 12:05 AM

Get that old mount cut off that pipe and weld some tabs on for those springs. Lookin good man! God I bet your anxious to ride it.

cr480r

11-30-2007, 12:10 AM

looks like the chain is going to eat the swinger up - the angle is too steep
the chain will ware through the rubber ,and then the metal if you dont make some brackets to set the engine up a lil higher

Its definately gonna be an issue... since its kinda too late in the build to change the engine location... Maybe an idler pulley or sprocket could be added... sort of like an Amp link...

TwoHundredEx

11-30-2007, 12:12 AM

Thanks for the compliments guys!
I'll get some better pics of the pipe tomorrow from the side.

Get that old mount cut off that pipe and weld some tabs on for those springs. Lookin good man! God I bet your anxious to ride it.

I actually wasn't too anxious until I heard it run for those few seconds, that sweet sound makes me want to ride it worse than ever. :D

TwoHundredEx

11-30-2007, 08:21 PM

Heres some better pics:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/175R/Picture071-1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/175R/Picture075.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/175R/Picture076-1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/175R/Picture077-1.jpg

RedRider_AK

11-30-2007, 08:57 PM

Said it before, will say it again, that pipe is one mighty fat exhaust! I love it, it's classic 200X until you see the big expansion chamber and you do a double (triple, quadruple) take! :drool:

Brockey

11-30-2007, 09:02 PM

Sweet looking machine. The pipe catches the eye for sure on an x.

TwoHundredEx

11-30-2007, 09:57 PM

Yep, it's a big pipe, it's from a '93 KDX200. It was a lot easier to work with than the stock pipe since the expansion chamber sits outside the frame.

SYKO

11-30-2007, 10:10 PM

you know I think a blaster pipe would fit in there better than anything, get a trenga or toomey and that will waken that little beast up

factoryX

11-30-2007, 11:31 PM

riding yet?

TwoHundredEx

11-30-2007, 11:41 PM

I think the Blaster pipe would be a little tall, but I might look into it if it doesn't run right with this pipe, I think it'll be okay though.

FactoryX, not riding yet. Should be tomorrow though, I'm hoping it's just a bad plug, so I'll pick up a couple tomorrow and report back. Now I'm really anxious though, since they're calling for a good snowfall tomorrow and sunday.

super90

11-30-2007, 11:41 PM

That looks so right, honda should have make a trike like that back in the day with the 200x frame and a smaller 2 stroke engine. The 250R would still be better but it would be pretty cool as a starter trike. But congrats on the build, I was wondering if you gave up on it but I guess not :TrikesOwn

factoryX

12-01-2007, 09:47 AM

that great looking bike, my question is that motor going have enough torqe to make that faster than stock 200x motor?

New2ATC

12-01-2007, 02:42 PM

looks sick man..That pipe is HUGE!!

TwoHundredEx

12-01-2007, 11:50 PM

You know that feeling of accomplishment you get when you build something that actually works?
I've got that right now. :D

Threw a new plug in it this afternoon and it fired up after about 10 kicks. I was so surprised I actually froze and didn't know what to do for a second. First thing I did was grab my helmet and open the side door of the shed and pushed it out. Got on it, started it up and off I went. Threw the chain after a few seconds, but I didn't really care, I was just happy I finally rode it.

Heres the video:
Yep, I look a little nervous, it's the first time I've ridden a trike in 8 or 9 years.
Threw the chain again about half way through, and it was still cold so I didn't open up yet,not to mention it's loud as hell.
I'll get a good vid tomorrow..in the snow hopefully.
http://media.putfile.com/First-ride-chain-throw

FactoryX, to answer your question, even though I've never ridden a stock X, and even though I haven't gotten it out of 1st, I have a feeling it's gunna be a 200X killer.
I'm not sure if a 200X will break loose in 1st gear going from half to 3/4 throttle... but this one will, and that's when it's cold :D You can kinda see what I mean at a little before the 50 second mark in the vid.

TwoHundredEx

12-02-2007, 12:15 AM

Is the video working for anyone else? Doesn't seem to be working for me now...

NINJA

12-02-2007, 01:12 AM

Link works fine. Dude, get that chain adjusted man! Nice job though. It actually brought a little tear to my eye. LOL

RedRider_AK

12-02-2007, 01:25 AM

TwoHundredEx

12-02-2007, 01:35 AM

LOL Your rear plastics are all cockeyed at the beginning of the video to help you kick it. I love it.

That thing sounds evil when you start it up! Vriiip vriiiip vriiip. I like it. Definetely get it fixed up all the way and you'll be killing 200X's left and right!

Haha, yeah, it was a pain to get them back on too, since I had to keep it running with one hand, and latch them in with the other.
Yeah, I really like the way it sounds with that pipe, definitely have to get a silencer though, it's just too loud.

84honda200s

12-02-2007, 01:43 AM

that great looking bike, my question is that motor going have enough torqe to make that faster than stock 200x motor?

thats a silly question to ask. that "little" 175 probably has allot more power than the stock 200 4 stroke. a 2 stroke dont need torque. they have a ton of gitty up and go to make up for any lack of torque it may have.

great build man. props to ya. now just get that chain fixed up and get us some more video. :lol: again man great job.

steven 250sx

12-02-2007, 03:04 AM

ohh man that is sweet nice job i'm glad to see your almost done

SYKO

12-02-2007, 10:26 AM

Bulldozer

12-02-2007, 11:20 AM

nice work to bad i cant get that link working i realy wanna see this vid

TwoHundredEx

12-02-2007, 02:10 PM

good job man!!! that has to be one of the shorest custom builds from conception to finish! plus you dont have all kinds of special equipment and tools, just hard damn determination to have something to ride!!! totally awesome!! now its time to ride it and have fun! you can work the details out later!!
Thanks man!
I actually would've had it done sooner if I had my own welder, but I wasn't really complaining since the guy did it for free. The wait just made it that much better.

nice work to bad i cant get that link working i realy wanna see this vid

I'm not sure what it was doing before, but it seems to be working now.Your not missing much anyway. :D
It's just a first gear ride around the yard.

Hopefully I'll have some snow vids today, theres a couple inches on the ground and it's snowing like crazy right now.

Dirtcrasher

12-02-2007, 03:07 PM

TwoHundredEx

12-02-2007, 03:42 PM

Man that things gonna rip!! You should be proud of yourself, like Magilla Gorilla said - from concept to completion that was a quick build.

Now, take a step back and fix everything that isn't just right. Like the chain, if it isn't lined up or something, fix it before it breaks the engine case.

It's nice to see someone try to put in a different motor that makes sense. Some guys just go way too big or way too overboard or they don't have the equipment to get it done and the project gets abandoned.

That thing is gonna rip it up real good, NICE JOB!!

Thanks again.
Funny you mention the case getting broken because you can't hear it in the video, but as soon as the chain came off and killed the engine, the first words outta my mouth were,
"ahhh sh*t" thinking I broke the case already. Luckily I didnt, and I think the cover that goes over the chain actually prevents that from happening. Theres 3 bolts that hold it on, 2 of them are in between the front of the chain, and the case, meaning the chain would have to go through those first.

I know what you mean about people going overboard too, bigger isn't always better. I really think this motor is suited nicely for the X size and weight.

Threes company

12-02-2007, 03:49 PM

I was grinning from ear to ear just watching you putt around your backyard. That thing is going to scream......... Sounds just like my old RM125. :drool: :drool: :drool: Be real proud of yourself man...... thats an awesome creation! Real "Monster Garage" type stuff. Good luck. :beer

TwoHundredEx

12-02-2007, 07:28 PM

Took another short video today, nothing much, just a couple slides around my uncle on the quad. Still didn't get out of first since the shifter still needs to be lengthend.
Man, does this thing rip, I just can't get over the powerband hit with this pipe. Like I said before, it hits high, but when it does, it screams!

http://media.putfile.com/Snow-Ride-73

SYKO

12-02-2007, 07:41 PM

that thing looks like its going to be a fun trike to ride!!!

rally4x4racer

12-02-2007, 07:52 PM

you never got it out of first?

Dammit!

12-02-2007, 07:54 PM

Why is the rear end sitting up so high on it? I'm sure that's answered somewhere in this 9 page thread but I don't want to look for it. :lol:

TwoHundredEx

12-02-2007, 08:01 PM

you never got it out of first?

Nope, that whole video was in 1st, I've got 5 more gears to go :D. It's too hard with the shifter being so short. I actually did once, but I brought it back down to first almost right after since I have no brakes and I was about to hit the fence.

Why is the rear end sitting up so high on it? I'm sure that's answered somewhere in this 9 page thread but I don't want to look for it. :lol:

The carb. was really close to the shock since the shock is angled, so I made a mount that straightened it out, giving me a little more room and bringing up the rear a couple inches. I actually like the way it sits, might soften the shock up a bit though, just so it sits a tad bit lower when I'm riding.

rally4x4racer

12-02-2007, 09:08 PM

thats a pretty nice trike, maynard. I can't wait to see vids of you ripping thru the gears on it... I bet it would smoke a 200x

New2ATC

12-02-2007, 09:39 PM

great job, sounds great, and should have a lot of power. Cant wait to see it rippin in the snow some more..Gotta love winter riding!

steven 250sx

12-02-2007, 11:46 PM

sounds awsome hows the chain rubbing doing?

TwoHundredEx

12-03-2007, 12:37 AM

I'm not too sure, I actually forgot to check to see if it had rubbed through at all. I doubt it did though, I didn't get to ride much, shortly after the video I fouled the plug again.

cr480r

12-03-2007, 03:41 PM

I know what you mean about people going overboard too, bigger isn't always better. I really think this motor is suited nicely for the X size and weight.

It really depends on what your doing...

TwoHundredEx

12-03-2007, 03:49 PM

It really depends on what your doing...

Oh I completely agree, I was referring more to the ones you see on E-bay and Craigslist with big heavy 4 stroke streetbike motors that are half finished or handle like crap, and weigh a ton.
Thats why I liked this motor, since not only was it close in general size to the stock motor, it was 15lbs lighter which let me keep the stock handling and overall feel.

factoryX

12-03-2007, 05:10 PM

3 things: 1. where are you going to mount the rear brake lever? 2. how hard was it to swap motors 3. power differences...

TwoHundredEx

12-03-2007, 05:34 PM

I have no idea what I'm going to do with the rear breaks. I need a new master cylinder before I can do anything anyway since mines garbage.
I'm not really too concerned about it at this time. I think I'll be fine with just front brakes for now.

The actual swap was fairly easy, like I said before, I would've had it done sooner but the welder took a little longer than expected with the exhaust.
It did take a little creativity though, like the carb issue with the shock.. I ended up having to modify a stock 200X upper engine mount to work with the rear shock to straighten it out a bit, I think theres a pic in the thread somewhere around pg.5. I also had to make a new intake boot that angled the carb to the side a bit, it wasn't difficult either, and it'll make it easier to get a air hose and filter on it. Only other problems were that I had to grind down the bottom front mount on the engine, and the chain issue.

Power differences... Since I haven't ridden 200X I can't really say for sure, but most people seem to say the the 200X is a good trike to learn on, with decent power.. Well, even though I still haven't gotten this out of first gear I can tell you, if I had never ridden an ATV before, I sure wouldn't want to learn on this one. Its very quick, and becuse of the way we did the pipe, the powerband hits HARD and really throws you back. It's obviously not going to be quite as fast as a 250R or Tri-Z, but that's just 'cause theres no replacement for displacement. Although I don't think it would be a complete embarrasment if I raced something like an air cooled R. I know I wouldn't win, but I don't think I'd get killed by it. Won't know for sure until I actually open this one up.

factoryX

12-03-2007, 06:47 PM

I still think the kdx motor would have been a better choice, but if this motor runs good then it might be a okay thing do you any blue prints, I might do this since I have a rolling 200x chassis, how long did it take you and how much did you have to spend?

TwoHundredEx

12-03-2007, 07:43 PM

If I had access to a KDX motor I would've used it, but I couldn't find one, or afford one, and I already had this motor. Not to mention it would've been more difficult, due to the fact that you would need to find a place to mount the Rad's, and framework would've probably been needed.

I didn't do any blueprints since it was pretty straight forward, no frame modding needed. Just fab up some mounts, an exhaust, straighten the rear shock, and one thing I'm still working on is the chain alignment, it's straight, but the front sprocket is too low. Not sure what I'm going to do about it though.

I started a few days after I made the thread, so I guess about 2 months. But it would've been a lot quicker if I had my own welder.

I've spent a total of $70 on it so far, and that was only for the KDX pipe.
I already had the motor, and I had the welding done for free. The only other thing I will need to buy is a new chain, but I've made a temporary fix for that right now.

factoryX

12-03-2007, 09:04 PM

where can get one of these? or if not would a honda or yamaha 175 work?

TwoHundredEx

12-03-2007, 09:19 PM

You could check E-bay, although they are a little rare. You can sometimes find complete bikes on Craigslist too.
I'm not too sure about any of the other 175's. I think Yamaha makes a DT175 and IT175, but I'm not sure if those would fit as easily as this one, they might though. I'm also not sure if they would have the same power as this one.

SYKO

12-03-2007, 09:51 PM

a blaster motor would be a good alternative for this as well.

factoryX

12-03-2007, 10:08 PM

nvm look at the pe175 horse power....:crazy: 24 hp

I found the 1984 kdx 200 motor and it had 10 horse power...idk if that is correct, but that is kind of wierd...

cr480r

12-03-2007, 10:45 PM

I found the 1984 kdx 200 motor and it had 10 horse power...idk if that is correct, but that is kind of wierd...

I call BS on that...

TwoHundredEx

12-04-2007, 12:04 AM

Yeah, definitely not 10hp for the KDX.
Where did you find that spec sheet? It took me days just to find a manual online!
Oh well, 26hp isn't too bad. Anyone know what a stock 200X came with? I did a search,
but the only one I found said 18hp, which didn't seem right.

cr480r

12-04-2007, 12:07 AM

Anyone know what a stock 200X came with? I did a search,
but the only one I found said 18hp, which didn't seem right.

I doubt its too far off.. that figure probably errors on the generous side...

factoryX

12-04-2007, 01:20 AM

I think the 200x is closer to 12-16 horse power...

TwoHundredEx

12-04-2007, 01:32 AM

Wow, I didn't think it was that far off from the PE.
I did a quick search on google just for fun to see what a Blaster is.
An '04 is rated at 17hp. I don't think I'll be too worried if a Blaster comes up behind me on the trail. :)

I should be able to finally open it up later this week too. I just cut up the shifter and somewhat shaped a 1 1/2" extension that I'll be getting welded up.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture092.jpg

It's not done yet, I'll smooth it down and shape it properly once it's welded.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/175R/Picture092.jpg

factoryX

12-04-2007, 02:03 AM

sweet...make video of of top speed. should make a custom brake lever....

TwoHundredEx

12-04-2007, 02:48 AM

I'll try to. I'm thinking we might actually take it out this weekend so I can have some room to get it through all 6 gears.
I don't know about the custom lever, lol, sure I could possibly make one, but making one that looks good AND functional? Probably not going happen right now. :D I'll look into the PE brake lever tomorrow and if see theres anything I can do with it. Really wish Honda would've put the lever on the frame like they did on everything else.

cr480r

12-04-2007, 02:56 AM

I'll try to. I'm thinking we might actually take it out this weekend so I can have some room to get it through all 6 gears.

I am curious to hear your results... A 2-stroke can gain or lose alot of power with exhaust mods... Do you still have the PE pipe?

TwoHundredEx

12-04-2007, 03:03 AM

I am curious to hear your results... A 2-stroke can gain or lose alot of power with exhaust mods... Do you still have the PE pipe?

Nope, there was just no way it would fit, so I ended up cutting off most of the header and using it along with the KDX pipe.
So far, I've noticed a lot more in the mid to high RPM range than before.
I'm guessing because of the shortened header moving the powerband higher up.

RedRider_AK

12-04-2007, 03:10 AM

I think the shorter the header, the lower the RPMS the powerband is at. If you look at all the aftermarket pipes around, the "low end" ones are all pretty fat right from the bend of the header, but the top end ones are stretched out towards the back of the bike...

TwoHundredEx

12-04-2007, 03:19 AM

Thats what I had thought at first too, but after doing some research online I've heard many people say the opposite. (fifth post down)http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/archive/index.php/t-10428.html
We shortened the header quite a bit, and I don't seem to have much on the low end now. You can hear it in the video, it almost bogs down in the snow until the RPM's start climbing and once they get fairly high, the powerband finally kicks in.

factoryX

12-04-2007, 03:31 AM

we wil have to see the video of you topping out to fully tell.... if this turns out really well, I will probably do this myself with my 200x frame....

TwoHundredEx

12-04-2007, 10:23 PM

Well, got the shifter back today, and got a couple new plugs.
Took it out on the road and my dad gave it a run through it's gears, but by the time he got into 3rd it was obvious that I'm going to need a new rear axle.
The thing is bent so bad that you just can't gain speed, you can hear it and see bouncing down the road. I knew it was bent but I didn't think it was this bad.
So, I'm now in search of CHEAP 200X axle, I've made a thread in classifieds so if anyone has one that they wouldn't mind letting go for cheap, (and I emphasize the word cheap :D) I'd really appreciate it.

Yamada

12-05-2007, 11:01 AM

Just to give you an idea Honda 200 ( E, and M ) engine are rated at 13 hp/7000 rpm and 10.6 lbs-ft or torque at 5500 rpm. it is what the honda repair mamual call for.

The Honda 200s is rated at 13 hp 7000 rpm and 11 lb-ft of torque 6000 rpm. I don't know why the S is got more power?

So the X engine should be a little higher than these number

factoryX

12-05-2007, 02:17 PM

hey, I just got an idea about the rear brake lever, the tri-z foot peg has it mounted on it, if you cold fab up a tri-z right side foot peg and mount it, I think it might work...

TwoHundredEx

12-05-2007, 06:53 PM

hey, I just got an idea about the rear brake lever, the tri-z foot peg has it mounted on it, if you cold fab up a tri-z right side foot peg and mount it, I think it might work...

Hmm, thats not a bad idea, could you post a picture of what it looks like?

TwoHundredEx

12-05-2007, 11:54 PM

Seems like everytime I start it after it's been sitting for overnight, it backfires on the 2nd or 3rd kick, then starts on 6th or 7th. Theres been a couple times where it's needed a little throttle to start too even with the choke on, not lately but it has.
It also seems to be really lacking in throttle response until the RPM's start climbing. once I hit half throttle and the RPM's are up, the throttle response is almost instant, unlike idle to quarter throttle. My air screw is at 1 1/2 turns out, just like the manual says. How do I fine tune it with that? Do I screw it all the way in, and then go out until my throttle response comes back? I tried that, but it didn't seem like it was doing much.

factoryX

12-06-2007, 09:02 PM

IT sounds like the pipe, you might try to find a way to get the stock pipe on there...

Generation-X

12-06-2007, 10:27 PM

I would try to make up a nice drag pipe for it. One that come out the side.

TwoHundredEx

12-06-2007, 11:21 PM

IT sounds like the pipe, you might try to find a way to get the stock pipe on there...

It might be, but theres no way the stock pipe will be going on. It just won't fit, not to mention it got hacked up so that I could use the header with the KDX pipe. I'm thinking it's a jetting problem though, I don't think the pipe would cause it to backfire. It's not a huge deal to me since it still rips on the top end, just wondering if anybody had some insight.

I would try to make up a nice drag pipe for it. One that come out the side.

Nah, this is a daily rider for me, a drag pipe would be a little much in the trails.

EDIT: Just for future reference, one thing I do not plan to change anytime soon is the exhaust, so thank you for your suggestions, but it works, it's done, and it was a pain in the ass. :D

Black86tri-z

12-07-2007, 12:34 AM

kool conversion i like it use to have a 83 or 81 pe 175, they screamed for a old ass bike, do you have a muffeler on tht thing?
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w302/black86tri-z/aaaaaaaa086.jpg

TwoHundredEx

12-07-2007, 12:46 AM

kool conversion i like it use to have a 83 or 81 pe 175, they screamed for a old ass bike, do you have a muffeler on tht thing?
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w302/black86tri-z/aaaaaaaa086.jpg

Thanks, yeah for an older bike, they definitely are surprisingly fast.
No I don't have a silencer on it right now, I gotta find one though, it's just too loud. The one that was on the bike doesn't fit since the KDX pipe is a little larger diameter, it was all beat up with a crappy baffle anyway.

Black86tri-z

12-07-2007, 12:51 AM

hell yea mine was to fast for the crappy drum breaks on it i would just buy a little dg or something used to get some back preshure might run a little better, also what did you do for gearing on your bike,stock pe front with stock 200x rear? i would imagine that it would give you to much top end if that's a bad thing,haha

TwoHundredEx

12-07-2007, 12:59 AM

Yeah I'll probably just buy a cheap one for now, it'll be a lot easier to find one for the KDX pipe than the stock PE anyway.
The gearing is stock 200X rear (41), with an 11 tooth on the front. I had changed the stock PE 12 tooth out a long time ago for the 11 when it was still in the bike. It does have a little too much top end right now, with not enough low end, I'm thinking of going to a 44 or 45 rear like the bike had.

TwoHundredEx

12-07-2007, 08:02 PM

Center mounted silencer anyone? :D
I'm running the super expensive, rare, high flow, pocket bike silencer!
Don't laugh, it was hanging on the wall, so I figured I give it a try, plus it looks nice. :D
it actually doesn't sound that bad either. It's only temporary so I can atleast ride it around to test something without annoying the neighbours too much. Finished off the shifter too, it's far from perfect, but you can't tell that it's been cut and welded by just looking at the trike from a normal distance away.
Only had blue paint left and since I didn't want it to rust, I had to use it. I'll be doing it black when it's all finished and I tear it down to re-paint the frame.
I'll get some better pics of the silencer tomorrow, the camera batteries were dieing.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/175R/Picture096-1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/175R/Picture095.jpg

Black86tri-z

12-07-2007, 08:30 PM

where's the chain?

TwoHundredEx

12-07-2007, 08:39 PM

Well the temporary master link that I had made just so I could ride it, blew apart while I was testing the silencer.
It lasted longer than I thought it would, but I'll just have to get a proper one tomorrow.

RedRider_AK

12-07-2007, 08:42 PM

Hell I'd keep that pocket bike can on there, it's really funky and different!

Also, damn that frame is BEAT UP. Maybe not use spray-bomb next time?

ATC-Eric

12-07-2007, 08:42 PM

I love the center mount silencer. :w00t: I think whatever silencer you end up with, MAKE it work through the center!!!

You gonna paint the motor too?

TwoHundredEx

12-07-2007, 08:49 PM

I think I might keep it on there for now,it actually sounds pretty nice. I'll get a video once we get some new batteries for the camera. and I'll definitely be keeping it center mounted, I really like the look.

Yep I'll be painting the motor. I'm thinking once I get everything worked out like the axle and chain, I'll tear it down after Christmas and re-paint everything. Properly this time too, I really didn't prep the frame enough and it shows.

factoryX

12-08-2007, 12:48 AM

just wondering about the rear axle? you said that it was bent?

TwoHundredEx

12-08-2007, 01:00 AM

Yeah, it's bent pretty badly. I knew it was bent when I got it, but didn't think it was as bad as this. It's so bad that it stops me gaining any real speed on the street. I'm hoping to get one possibly next week, I have one lined up, just waiting until I can afford it, shipping costs are crazy.

I should have the chain problem fixed tomorrow too, like I said earlier, I'm picking up a couple master links but I also realized that I should get a half link so that I can adjust it properly. It was always a hair too long or a hair too short, hoping that will help the problem.

TwoHundredEx

12-08-2007, 01:06 AM

Hell I'd keep that pocket bike can on there, it's really funky and different!

Also, damn that frame is BEAT UP. Maybe not use spray-bomb next time?

Missed this post the first time. It wasn't so much the spray bomb, it was my prep-work, and the fact that I scraped that engine and exhaust against almost every part of that frame so much while we were mocking it up. But, that stuff only had to be done once, and I really should've waited to paint until after.

steven 250sx

12-08-2007, 01:11 PM

looking good keep up the good work and i loce the center silencer looks good

TwoHundredEx

12-21-2007, 12:45 AM

Well, the axle came in today. Big thanks to bp739 for giving me such a good deal.

I got tired of looking at the primer/red/blue chipped frame so I sanded it all down and did it again. Also went with a white swing arm, blue axle, white lower forks and blue fork boots. I like it a lot better than before. Looks much cleaner and more simple.
This is as far as I got tonight, hopefully I'll have it all back together tomorrow and can get a video of a run through the gears. :D
Anybody have an extra fork boot like mine? The left side one ripped. I don't care what color it is since I'll paint it to match the other one.

Before:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/175R/Picture096-1.jpg

After
Looks like I missed a spot on the fender latch. Oh well, it's not a show trike, and I'm not really worried.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture121-2.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture122-1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture123-1.jpg

Nick_R_23

12-21-2007, 01:05 AM

Wow!!! Lookin good!!! :beer I like the offset the red shock spring gives it!

Are you going to paint the motor also?? ;)

-Nick :TrikesOwn

TwoHundredEx

12-21-2007, 01:08 AM

Thanks, I was originally going to paint the shock white, but didn't feel like taking it apart so I left and as soon as I put it in I was glad I did.
The motor will be satin black after Christmas.

bp739

12-21-2007, 01:24 AM

Well, the axle came in today. Big thanks to bp739 for giving me such a good deal.

Glad to help out.......you sure didnt waste any time gettin that axle painted and put in..:D ....It looks really good...I like the paint scheme you picked .

TwoHundredEx

12-21-2007, 11:36 AM

Glad to help out.......you sure didnt waste any time gettin that axle painted and put in..:D ....It looks really good...I like the paint scheme you picked .

:lol: Yep, the axle came in around 3:30, had it pressure washed, cleaned, primered and painted by 5:30. :D

The Goat

12-22-2007, 01:39 AM

hey can you tell me how you upped your shock height so much, i'm having some clearance issues with my battery box on mine...need it to be a lot higher. as it is now, battery box slaps the brake over a good bump.

TwoHundredEx

12-22-2007, 02:20 AM

I used a stock 200X upper engine mount. I drilled a new hole in it, then a hole through the frame. That didn't really make any sense, but this pic might help. It was taken right after I did it, so it still has the old bolts. I'll get a pic where I drilled the hole in the frame tomorrow.
I've taken it out right now since it was causing the bad chain angle, but I really don't like how low it sits stock, so I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture076.jpg

I also got it all back together today and took it out for a ride.
It's a hell of a lot faster than I thought it was going to be. It scared the sh*t outta me the first time I opened it up. Pulled the front end up in the first 3 gears. I haven't gotten through 4th gear yet, and it's a 6 speed. :D
I don't see 70mph being completely unreasonable, but I won't know for sure until I find a place big enough to wind it out.
So far I'm extremely happy with the outcome.
I took a video but it was fairly dark. You could still make out what I was riding, but after I put it on putfile you can't see crap. Here it is anyway. I was shifting a bit quick too.
http://media.putfile.com/Dark-ride
I'll try to get a daytime video tomorrow or Sunday.

300rman

12-22-2007, 02:53 AM

for starting my R, i have found that using the choke and NOT hitting the throttle at ALL on a cold startup it starts the fastest. i mean in winter, its running in 3 kicks.
try that, it may relieve your starting issues?

after it starts you may have to play with the throttle. you will get a better feel for it as time wears on.

and yes, your total lack of low end is your pipe. those make the world of diference

TwoHundredEx

12-22-2007, 03:14 AM

Yeah the starting has gotten better, I can usually get it within 8-10 kicks now after it's been sitting for a day or two.
I know it's the pipe that's causing the lack of low end, we shortened the header quite a bit which sent the powerband way up in the RPM's. I had just wondered if it was jetting since I was fouling plugs too, but that doesn't seem to be happening anymore.
I actually don't mind it though, the top end just screams now. 20" tires should help out a bit anyway.
I think if I end up keeping it for a while I'll experiment with a Blaster pipe and see what I can get out of it.

TwoHundredEx

12-22-2007, 07:16 PM

Heres the pic of the hole in the frame and what one of the motor/shock mounts looked like:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture127.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture128.jpg

I won't be getting a daytime video today, I woke up to about 6"s of a snow/slush mixture. It's mostly melted now but it's still too slippery, I just spin. If the weather is decent tomorrow I'll get one.
And couple pics of it all back together:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture136.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture134.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture133.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture130-2.jpg

NINJA

12-22-2007, 08:53 PM

Lookin good man!

TwoHundredEx

12-24-2007, 05:30 PM

Well I finally have some video...

Just so everybody knows, I don't actually suck at riding, I was really just having a bad day.:D

I do miss shifts on occasion, but twice in 30 seconds!? Still can't beleive I missed one right in front of the camera. :lol:
Now keep in mind that I had 2 flat tires, and the highest gear I was in, was 4th...I had 2 more gears to go.
I can't beleive I'm even posting this. :lol:

http://media.putfile.com/Day-Ride-97

Dirtcrasher

12-24-2007, 05:39 PM

cr480r

12-24-2007, 05:43 PM

is the clutch slipping?

Danold

12-24-2007, 05:51 PM

those old suzuki motors are famous for missing shifts. i had a 77 rm125 and it missed sometimes.

you just gotta get use to shifting at the right time for the gears to go in place.

btw i think your build tured out nice. great job.

TwoHundredEx

12-24-2007, 05:51 PM

Oh don't feel bad about the missed shifts... At least you brought about an idea and DID it!! Most people, it's just a thought.... I wonder if on UTUBE the video wouldn't jump so much? I have FIOS??????

Just gotta get your AF figured out, thats the LEAST of your building blocks!!

MERRY HANAHOLIDAYSXMAS!!

Thanks!
The video isn't working out too well for you?
Think it would be better on photobucket? I was going to put it on there anyway.

is the clutch slipping?

Doesn't feel like it. The front end comes up going into second and third, so I don't think it is. I just need to get used to shifting that motor again. When I missed the shift in front of the camera, I didin't pull it up all the way so it went into gear for a second then dropped to neutral. It's pretty sensitive.

cr480r

12-24-2007, 06:05 PM

Doesn't feel like it. The front end comes up going into second and third, so I don't think it is. I just need to get used to shifting that motor again. When I missed the shift in front of the camera, I didin't pull it up all the way so it went into gear for a second then dropped to neutral. It's pretty sensitive.

It just looked like the bike wasnt going as fast as the engine sounded like it was:wondering ... The top end really started to scream like the front wheel should be in the air:w00t:

TwoHundredEx

12-24-2007, 06:12 PM

It just looked like the bike wasnt going as fast as the engine sounded like it was:wondering ... The top end really started to scream like the front wheel should be in the air:w00t:

The front end is almost floating when the powerband hits, the forks top out and I'm so close to lifting off the ground. I know what you mean though, it sounds like I'm doing 90mph. :D I'm hoping with smaller tires I can get the front end up a little higher when I shift.
I think the tires were holding me back too, last time I had it out they were aired up and I definitely noticed a difference a little lag with them flat.

Heres a photobucket version in case the other one isn't working for anybody.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/th_goodone.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/?action=view&current=goodone.flv)

NINJA

12-24-2007, 06:28 PM

Good to see you're having some fun on that thing. I love how it sounds! Are your neighbors getting sick of you yet?

SYKO

12-24-2007, 06:39 PM

cool!! I likey!!! very mucho!! but honestly you may not be able to feal it but I think your clutch is slipping some on ya, even some cheap stock replacements may be worth getting for it, I would do it any way, just today my gf's blasters clutch started to do the death slip, revs real sweet but isnt going any where as fast as its revvin, so I know its clutch time try it!

TwoHundredEx

12-24-2007, 08:26 PM

Good to see you're having some fun on that thing. I love how it sounds! Are your neighbors getting sick of you yet?

Well one of our neighbours was actually standing right beside my dad while he was video taping it, but he was one of the few good ones.
We have about 14 houses on our street, and I'd say 10 of them wouldn't be sad to see us move :D
But, it's not like were a bunch of d*cks, if someone asks us to stop, we gladly will, no question about it.

cool!! I likey!!! very mucho!! but honestly you may not be able to feal it but I think your clutch is slipping some on ya, even some cheap stock replacements may be worth getting for it, I would do it any way, just today my gf's blasters clutch started to do the death slip, revs real sweet but isnt going any where as fast as its revvin, so I know its clutch time try it!

Well, it seems to be pulling all through the gears, but I understand where your coming from. It was fine on the bike, but I probably should get a replacement. After the holidays I'm planning on getting new tires, so as soon as I get that out of the way, I'll see what it's going to cost for a new clutch.

factoryX

12-25-2007, 01:58 AM

air the tires up....

TwoHundredEx

12-25-2007, 02:11 AM

air the tires up....
....

Now keep in mind that I had 2 flat tires

I think the tires were holding me back too, last time I had it out they were aired up and I definitely noticed a difference a little lag with them flat.

:D

I didn't realize they were flat until I got out there. I didn't feel like going back to fill them up since it was only going to be a quick video.

super90

12-25-2007, 02:32 AM

TwoHundredEx

12-25-2007, 02:58 AM

I think smaller tires would be a bad idea. Its revved up pretty high in 4th right there and that seemed about as fast as a 200x would go in 3rd/low 4th. I would fix the clutch if theres a problem and work on the gearing. I would gear it up atleast 2-3 teeth in the front and go from there. But I cant really judge since I never saw it or rode it.

Well it's hard to tell how fast I was really going because I let off right in front of the camera, and those flat tires slow you down in a hurry. Don't forget it's a 6 speed, too, I had a couple more gears to go.

I plan on going up 1 tooth in the front, and that'll put me at stock 12/40 setup.

I think once I get everything worked out like the clutch, properly inflated tires, and proper gearing, it'll be a lot faster. Like I said in my earlier post, I really noticed a difference with the flat tires. Seriously, go take 75% of the air out of your tires and go for a ride, really slows you down. :lol:
I'm not trying to make it seem faster than it actually is either, I'll gladly admit if it's slower than a 200X, but I think if I do the things I mentioned earlier, I shouldn't have a problem.

factoryX

12-25-2007, 04:39 AM

air up the tires, and it should make you go a wee bit faster. also you are gearing like you gear on a four stroke, gear faster and you should haul. It should take you 2-4 seconds to shift to a higher gear.

cr480r

12-25-2007, 08:32 AM

I would inspect the clutch and at least put new springs... They are cheap... They are probably very old and the atc has a lot more traction than a bike... I have had bikes that I suspected were slipping, but could not tell for sure...Then after installling new HD springs and scuffing up the steels it becomes obvious I had a problem..

Brockey

12-25-2007, 10:17 AM

Well now its only small things to improve. It goes well and works good. Now take a look at the clutch and then the gearing. Must feel nice to get it for a rip!

oldskool83

12-25-2007, 02:12 PM

i think you sould switch up your gearing...those old enduro bikes never did go very fast. i had a KDX175 and it only topped out at 50mph if that. i could crawl better then any 4 stroke because the front sproket was so small. try somehting like a 13 or 14 on the front...and get some 20" rear tires.

TwoHundredEx

12-25-2007, 02:32 PM

Really? My bike was the complete opposite. All top end with no low end, which is why I had the 11 tooth on there. With the 12 tooth I had to stay on the throttle or it would bog in deep sand unless I was in 2nd but would beat stock 125's all day as long as I had enough room to get to atleast 5th.
I'm definitely going to play with the gearing, I'm going to buy a 12 and 13 tooth and see which I like better. Not sure if theres quite enough room for a 14, there might be though.

cr480r

12-25-2007, 02:56 PM

One tooth makes a huge difference... Going from an 11 to a 14 would be drastic... If you think the low-end sucks now.... Wait until you gear it up....

TwoHundredEx

12-25-2007, 03:20 PM

Oh I know, I noticed a huge difference when I changed it on the bike.
Like I said, I'll buy a 12 and 13, and I'll try them both, but probably stick with the 12 and 22's for now. And then once I get my new tires, I'll go to the 13.
I think the shops are mostly closed for the week, but if not I'm going to order them tomorrow or Thursday.

super90

12-25-2007, 10:21 PM

2 teeth is quite a bit but it could be perfect. I went from a 12 tooth on my 200x to a 15 tooth and I was much happier with the 15 tooth. With the 12 it just flat out sucked anywhere besides hills.

TwoHundredEx

12-26-2007, 01:28 AM

2 teeth is quite a bit but it could be perfect. I went from a 12 tooth on my 200x to a 15 tooth and I was much happier with the 15 tooth. With the 12 it just flat out sucked anywhere besides hills.

What size tires were you running though?
I'm going to turn the garage upside down tomorrow looking for the stock 12 tooth that I took off.
Hopefully I can find it so I can judge before I buy them wether a 13T will be too much or if I need to do order a 14T.

TwoHundredEx

12-28-2007, 07:22 PM

Went down to the dealer today and surprisingly enough, he had a 12 and 13 tooth in stock! So I grabbed both of those, and a couple extra master links so I could extend the chain a bit.
I put on the 13 tooth first thinking it would take away too much low end and I wouldn't like it.... Not the case. :D
I compared my 4th gear pass today, to the 4th gear pass from the last video and it's not even close. Much better top end now. I think with 20's it'll be perfect.
My mom was video taping it, and after I shut it off, I said "little faster now eh?"
First thing she said was "Your lucky you don't kill yourself on that thing" :lol:
Thats why you can hear her say "kay that's enough" at the end of the video.
She's not against it, she thinks it's cool, but just a little fast. I told her to wait until I get a 250R. :D

http://media.putfile.com/Day-ride-December-28th

Dammit!

12-28-2007, 08:02 PM

cr480r

12-28-2007, 08:42 PM

I put on the 13 tooth first thinking it would take away too much low end and I wouldn't like it.... Not the case. :D

Keep in mind that what works in the street in front of your house and what works out on the trail may not be the same... The soggy low-end might make for some intersting challenges when out on the trail.... Did you ever get an air filter set-up on that thing? I bet alot of the noise is the lack of an airbox.. intakes can be quite loud...

She's not against it, she thinks it's cool, but just a little fast. I told her to wait until I get a 250R. :D

I think you and your mom would both be in for a surprise...:lol:

TwoHundredEx

12-28-2007, 09:32 PM

Keep in mind that what works in the street in front of your house and what works out on the trail may not be the same... The soggy low-end might make for some intersting challenges when out on the trail.... Did you ever get an air filter set-up on that thing? I bet alot of the noise is the lack of an airbox.. intakes can be quite loud...

Yeah, that's why I plan on going to 20's, should help a little bit. No filter,still trying to find the sled style one.

I think you and your mom would both be in for a surprise...:lol:

:lol: I know, my dad rode an '85 back in the late '80's and still to this day he raves about them. He want's one even more than I do, but they're just so rare around here. I FINALLY found one for sale this morning about an hour away, and the guys asking $2200, just don't have the money right now. You don't know how tempted I am to see if he wants to trade for my Jeep, or sell the Jeep and buy it...I'm seriously considering it right now.

TwoHundredEx

12-28-2007, 11:03 PM

It does sound like the clutch is slipping a bit.

If it's half as loud in person as it seems to be in these vids, get a better silencer before you make too many enemies in the neighborhood. A stock 250R silencer if you could get it to mount up would quiet it down real nicely and I seriously doubt you'd lose any noticable amount of power.

Missed this post the first time.
I plan on getting a proper silencer for it soon enough, most of the neighbourhood is used to it anyway. This isn't the first loud toy we've had. Most of them don't mind too much, but if they feel like it's enough, and they're willing to come out and ask me to stop, I gladly will, I have no problem with that. But I can't read minds, if they don't tell me, I don't know. I won't be riding it on the street much more anyway, once it stops raining here, we'll take it out riding.

Eric250R

12-29-2007, 03:25 AM

factoryX

12-29-2007, 02:36 PM

now,go and find a blaster to race and film it...

TwoHundredEx

12-29-2007, 02:47 PM

Great job, and I have to say it's good to see a build completed. I've seen alot started on here and never seen them again. Not only did you finish it quickly, but you have kept us updated after the fact with pics and vids. :beer :beer :w00t:

Thanks, I'm guilty of starting projects before and not finishing them, but I was determined to get this done before winter, and surprisingly enough, I did. :D

now,go and find a blaster to race and film it...
I will, I have a cousin who's friends with a kid with a stock late '90s Blaster. I'll talk to my cousin and see if he still has it.
My neighbour has a '07 Brute Force 750 that I'll race for fun at some point too, no chance in hell for me, but it'll give me an idea on how it compares to the big bores.

I'm thinking of getting a little port work done later on too, that should give me a little more power. Thats about the only power option left, since they don't make too many aftermarket parts for it anymore, other than a bigger carb, or finding another pipe and modding it, which I will also do when the time comes. I know that DG made a full bike in '85 that hauled serious a** but good luck finding those parts. I have a picture of it in the manual that'll post sometime today.

cr480r

12-29-2007, 03:03 PM

or finding another pipe and modding it, which I will also do when the time comes.

Have you considered trying to modify a aftermarket blaster pipe to fit?

TwoHundredEx

12-29-2007, 03:15 PM

Have you considered trying to modify a aftermarket blaster pipe to fit?

Thats exactly what I was planning doing. Probably sometime in Feb or late January after I get all the little things like tires, air filter, and proper gear ratios figured out, and I feel it's ready for the trail, I'll start looking for a new pipe to work on. Maybe even a stock pipe also, just so I can mess around and see which one I like better. I feel that with the right pipe, this engine will really wake up.

edog

12-29-2007, 04:20 PM

What's that guy with the coffee cup think of you ripping up in down the street?

TwoHundredEx

12-29-2007, 04:33 PM

What's that guy with the coffee cup think of you ripping up in down the street?

You mean in the first video, the guy standing in MY driveway?
Thats my uncle :lol: and he was laughing the whole time.
I've already gone over the whole annoying the neighbours thing a couple times now. Like I said, this isn't the first toy we've had, and by far not the loudest, we've had a 1600CC buggy with a stinger going down there before among others. Like I said, most of them are used to it, and don't mind it, but if they feel it's enough, and they're willing to come out and talk to us about it, we'll gladly stop. And it's not like I do this everyday, I've done it 3 times in the last 2 weeks.

TwoHundredEx

04-16-2008, 11:25 PM

Well it's been a while since I've done much on this but I decided last night that something needed to be done about the chain angle.

I used the rear engine mount and brought the rear of the engine up as much as I could.
Drilled a new hole in the stock rear frame mount, made up some spacers, and threw some ready rod in there.

I was even able to get away without modifying the exhaust. I just had to trim a bit off of one of the cooling fins to let the exhaust twist a little to compensate for the engine being moved.
It still isn't perfect but it should be once I put the 13t back on. That won't be until I find some new tires though.
It wasn't a big update, but it was one of the most important so far.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture341.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture344.jpg

Before (Smaller sprocket as well)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/small.jpg

After
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/Legacy44/Picture347.jpg

Louis Mielke

04-16-2008, 11:29 PM

Looks alot better!

Tri-ZNate

04-16-2008, 11:38 PM

Looks like it made a big difference. As DOT workers say, "Good Enough For Government Work"

TwoHundredEx

04-17-2008, 10:39 AM

Thanks. I'm hoping it was enough to stop the chain from popping off under hard launches.
It would only take about 2 launches before it would throw the chain, since I couldn't adjust it properly.
It rained last night but as long as it stays dry today I'll try it out later.

TwoHundredEx

04-17-2008, 08:36 PM

Well, it works. :D

And I seemed to have solved another problem. When I put the silencer on a month or two ago I thought I had noticed a loss in power and throttle response, but figured it was just in my head. Well, I forgot to bolt up the silencer (lol, you can see it hanging in the video) and guess what... My throttle response is back and I noticed a huge power increase. I'm obviously still going to find a silencer for it but something less restrictive.

This thing is FUN. First gear power is awesome.
Basically, in the video, if the front end isn't in the air it's cause the back end is spinning. It's still not perfect but man, I LOVE this thing.

The vid's pretty boring but I was having fun. :D
Don't mind my attempts at the donuts or powerslides. :lol: This was really the first time I've tried to do them on this thing.

http://media.putfile.com/Chain-fix-April-17th-20

TheFamer

04-17-2008, 10:25 PM

TwoHundredEx

04-17-2008, 11:11 PM

Very nice!

Get yourself some Holeshots and you could be doing some wicked slides and wheelies, what do you think the top speed is? what gearing are you running? what was stock on the PE? i think the 200x has 12/40 stock.
Thanks
Not sure what the exact PE gearing was but I think it was 12/45.
Right now I'm running stock X gearing, 12/40.
I'm really not to sure about the top speed since it's a 6spd and I haven't even had it past 4th gear yet...but if I had to guess I'd say around 65mph with this gearing and 22" tires.

bigreddaddy

04-19-2008, 08:22 AM

Thats one awesome X man.

factoryX

04-19-2008, 02:50 PM

air up the tires!

TwoHundredEx

04-20-2008, 12:34 AM

Lol, They actually weren't low this time. Well, atleast one of them wasn't.
The right has been holding air fine, but the left might have a been a little low.

Muddy200x

04-20-2008, 09:25 AM

Man, that thing looks like it really rips! Looks much better too since you fixed the sprocket alignment. Good job! :beer
It's too bad its a mix breed :p

TwoHundredEx

04-20-2008, 05:46 PM

Man, that thing looks like it really rips! Looks much better too since you fixed the sprocket alignment. Good job! :beer
It's too bad its a mix breed :p

:lol:
I know, I wouldn't have minded keeping it all Honda but seems like Honda's the only of the big 4 that didn't make a medium sized 2 stroke.
Yamaha has the IT175/200, Suzuki has the PE, and Kawi has the KDX.
A CR200 would've been nice. :D