This Drives Me Nuts!!!

[R Nutt]

First off let me say sorry in advance to the owners of these bikes if they are members of this board and happen to see this thread, But i had to get this off my chest.
Second maybe this should be moved to the E-Bay thread, but i think it needs to stay in the Trikesylvania threads.

My problem is peoples description of "restored".
In my local paper there was an ad for a restored '86 tecate, So naturally i call him and we talk for about 10 minutes, he's describing how nice the bike is, and it sounds like it might be worth a look.
I decide to take the 45 minute drive, and guess what...'85 with Maiers, Razr tires, and a green and white seat cover!!!

What a waste of TIME!

Although it was a decent "REBUILT" bike it was not a "RESTORED" bike! And it was not an '86 that he claimed and he still stood by his claim that it was an '86 and that i didnt know these bikes very well!!!!

Here are a couple of links to E-Bay auctions, This is what i'm talking about, they are nice "Rebuilt" R's but not "Restored"!

EXAMPLE 1: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-ATC250R_W0QQitemZ280145538790QQihZ018QQcategoryZ67 24QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

EXAMPLE 2: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-ATC-250R-250-R_W0QQitemZ230162385216QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6724QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


And finally here is a couple of links to some threads here on 3ww and web sites of members of this board with TRUE RESTORED bikes!

EXAMPLE 1: http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=43129

Example 2: http://www.vintagemotorsports.net/

Example 3: http://tigerrotax.googlepages.com/home


I will probably get flamed for this, but i just have high expectations of "RESTORED" "LIKE NEW" "ALL ORIGINAL", there is nothing wrong with the 2 "REBUILT" "CUSTOM" bikes that i listed from ebay but those are the the bikes that when I drive for a couple hours and get there I am very disappointed with!

What do you guys think? Am i just Anal?



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[Louis Mielke]

Dude, your right on the money. The way the words, RESTORED, MINT, and ORIGINAL get thrown around really irritates me.

EDIT: Obviously all these words are not used in these particular adds but I've seen them used incorrectly plenty of times before. :EDIT

I completely agree with your statement. I think you've hit all of the main points on the head.

[seadoo650]

Yes. Your anal. J/K. Those are two nice machines. If your gonna drive to see a machine and want original than just ask if it is original, oem. The one from Sandpuppi looks pretty original minus plastica and tires. Trust me to find an "original" nice 250r you're gonna pay way more than that. my .02 cents.

[seadoo650]

Dude, your right on the money. The way the words, RESTORED, MINT, and ORIGINAL get thrown around really irritates me. I think you've hit all of the main points on the head.

MINT, and ORIGINAL

Don't see these words in the ads. Just restored. Read Louis read.

[Louis Mielke]

MINT, and ORIGINAL

Don't see these words in the ads. Just restored. Read Louis read.

Ummm... I don't think I said those words were in the adds, I think I was just adding those words to the list of words that get missused, I should have tried to be clearer on that.

I'll use the edit button. :-)

[Billy Golightly]

We need to establish a condition grading standard like NRA has for guns.

[big schott]

What bothers me is when I see a E-bay machine with the word "Mint" in the description. Then I see the pict. and it has Mayer plastic (still with the Mayer sticker on the fenders) ,different handle bars, new and WRONG tires, and a PLASTIC TANK and NO ORIGINAL DECALS.

I have seen this type a few times and it drives me CRAZY!!

And oh yeah,,, he has a "Buy It Now" for $3000.00 for a 1982 200.

PISS ME OFF!!

[seadoo650]

Ummm... I don't think I said those words were in the adds, I think I was just adding those words to the list of words that get missused, I should have tried to be clearer on that.

I'll use the edit button. :-)

Just bustin your balls buddy. I'm bored. At least with Ebay you get to look at pics and see for your self. Craigslist ads with no pics make me leery.

[honda250sx]

Everyones interpretation of the words, mint, original,restored and so on vary to an EXTREME. Haha. I agree I see alot of garbage that is supposed restored, mint and original. Restored, might as well be built completely with NOS or damn close to it. Mint is nothing short of stock original, clean and shiny and almost new. just my 2 cents :naughty:

[mymint87]

Mint is nothing short of stock original, clean and shiny and almost new. :naughty:

hey that perfectly describes ME........I always knew I was fresh:postwhore

[Russell 350X]

I think your a bit anal, but I see where your coming from.

[honda250sx]

hey that perfectly describes ME........I always knew I was fresh:postwhore

:beer LMFAO

[Dammit!]

If you drive a long distance to look at a "mint" machine without seeing pics first, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. If I don't see a pic these days I don't even trust they even have the brand right, let alone anything else. Twice in the past year I've gone to look at 1985 250Rs that were 1982 250Rs. A lot of people don't know what they have or wtf they're talking about. Both times I asked if they were SURE it was a 1985 with radiators on the sides of the gas tank and I was assured both times that they were (and god forbid if you ask for the tenth digit in the VIN). Apparently some people are so dumb they don't even know what a radiator looks like or how to count to ten.

I don't have a problem with the terms you mention though. 90% of the population isn't that anal about terminology so just don't assume things without seeing it with your own eyes. You obviously know a machine that meets your idea of restored or mint when you see one. You can't expect Joe Average to know the difference. The word restored does not automatically mean "restored to OEM" anyway. If something has been taken from poor condition to good condition, that still fits the basic definition.

[Jim mac]

I put my 87 200Xs on craigslist the other day, I got a email saying Im nuts for asking too much, ( you got to start negotiating somewhere) AND I was told honda never made a 87 200X. that the 200X production ended in 86! This guy owns a air cooled 250R, because he wanted the gold ones off my 250R roller. I had to give him a little ATC history that I learned from this and the other three wheeler site.
Mint and Restored is such a all encompassing word. If you think trikes are irritating, you should get into chevelles. every 70 chevelle with a pair of SS emblems is being sold as a SS clone. To clone one right. you need to swap out so many parts, dash, hood, rear, steering,motor,discs, and the list goes on. Jim

[1985 200s]

restore
One entry found for restore.
Main Entry: re·store
Pronunciation: ri-'stor
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): re·stored; re·stor·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French restorer, from Latin restaurare to renew, rebuild, alteration of instaurare to renew
1 : GIVE BACK, RETURN
2 : to put or bring back into existence or use
3 : to bring back to or put back into a former or original state : RENEW

[1985 200s]

The term I used I thought more fitting.
refurbish
One entry found for refurbish.
Main Entry: re·fur·bish
Pronunciation: ri-'f&r-bish
Function: transitive verb
: to brighten or freshen up : RENOVATE


Was careful not to use restored, original or mint.

[atctim]

The way I look at it - restored does not mean OEM - you can restore a trike using after market parts like Douglas wheels and Maier plastic to make it look really nice - an OEM restore on the other hand is much different. I too know where you are coming from............

What irritates me is all the incorrect years listed in ads. People should know what they have - but hey - everyone is an expert - just ask them!

[oldskool83]

the words to ge used alot but not the right way.

i my self will not be RESTORING my 200x. nothings mint unless its orginal (and never used) also in my mind...i will be rebulding imy 200x with alot of after marking parts for a custom rebuilt trike...the H*ll with OEM restored, i wanna ride it.

[sandpuppi101]

LOL,well I guess since one of my machine's is pictured , I should say something.Obviously everybody know's I own Muddogs Restoration's,now when I sell a machine I am very strict on how I present it.I do use term's such as OEM,NOS, Orginal and Yes Restored.Now if you notice in my add's I am 100% honest with my description's.On this particular machine I did use the term Restored,Not all boldly in the title but in the description,and yes it is Restored.I did'nt pound the word Restored ,Restored ,Restored,in the listing either.I took lot's of pic's and let the pic's describe the machine,I did'nt butter up nothing.You will also notice that I did not state that it was Restored to orginal,because it does have the aftermarket plastic's and such,but how can it be said that the machine is not restored.I also put in my add's ,to call me with any question's.Now I have done many a ATC that I Restored back to orginal, that were 100% oem and those are listed as Restored Original.I do understand that the term Restored can be swung this way or that way,but people know what I build,and have been very happy with my OEM Restored ,Restored,Riders and Custom machine's.Bottomline is that when I list a machine I want to present it in a fashionable manor and I actually critisize the machine's ,as much as I make them look good in the add's,I am very honest with my listing's and alway's have more than 1 way too be contacted ,if people want to ask question's.I personally don't feel I have too defend myself in this matter and I have no anger toward's it at all,I have sold many machine's that have gone into personal collection's ,never to be ridden again and I have sold many rider's also,and with all my machine's they were presented as they are, and as honest as they could have been.I do understand where your coming from,and I understand the issue of what is actually a restored machine,I am only as good as my last machine and I put my reputation on the line with every machine that roll's out the door.To put on a machine and say Refurbished ATC 250R does'nt seem practical when I know what I am selling, and the next guy Joe Blow has a junker and states it a Restored machine ,which has a custom frame aftermarket this and this and that.Lastly,I am a businessman and I do these machine's to make money,for sure,I also am very direct with word's in my listing's also.And if Joe Blow is gonna say Restored on some Custom,then I am gonna say Restored on a machine that was blasted ,paint matched etc.machine I did .

[team-red-rider]

muddogs resto is Sandpuppi........he was at TF

[rally4x4racer]

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