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200x newby
07-05-2007, 08:27 PM
ok talked it ove worked otu the bugs ready to start the pre-order REMEMBER:idea: money must be recieved before we order shrouds will take anywhere from 6-8 weeks depending on how fast we get the money in there will be a paypal link on page 3 for ones who are buying.

Dammit!
07-05-2007, 08:29 PM
I'm in! :beer

PWK39
07-05-2007, 08:46 PM
I'll take a set cool idea

200x newby
07-05-2007, 08:48 PM
sweet guys. keep em comin only 6 more sets to go.

MyMistress86R
07-05-2007, 08:48 PM
DAYUM...you are giving me something serious to think about here...I'm in the market for all new plastics and this would be SWEET.

Let me know when you get close to or enough interest for an order...I think I could sell a few things to come up with the $$ for a set.

Dammit!
07-05-2007, 09:11 PM
Just in case it isn't completely obvious, these have NEVER been made before. If you buy a set you'll own one of only ten sets in the world. ;)

200x newby
07-05-2007, 09:27 PM
Just in case it isn't completely obvious, these have NEVER been made before. If you buy a set you'll own one of only ten sets in the world. ;)

lol yes very great point Dammit

oldsking86
07-05-2007, 09:31 PM
damn I need to scramble some money together that's for sure! How are you going to take payment, paypal? Because right now my best shot is to charge it to my credit card until I get the funds haha

200x newby
07-05-2007, 09:34 PM
well even if i did accept paypal i dont take credit card payments usualy instant transfer only. but i would really like money orders or cashiers checks by the way take your time we still have yet to order them were just putting a list together of people who want them and pay first so we dont get stuck with left overs.

oldsking86
07-05-2007, 09:38 PM
Sweet, Yea I have to pay my license renewal fee's which are about 180 bucks... pay for my next batch of college classes which is nearly 800.. SO I'm trying to get that money together first but Definetly put me on the list for a set!

MyMistress86R
07-05-2007, 09:45 PM
ok...given that we have a little time...i'm in

I NEED THESE!!

85 250sx
07-05-2007, 09:50 PM
count me in also. did you ask about fenders and headlight shells? would they do them also as longs as someone orders 10 sets?

200x newby
07-05-2007, 09:54 PM
yeah they would but myabe headlight shrouds but i think fenders would be to much carbon and that would be aroun $400-$500 a set im thinkin

oldsking86
07-05-2007, 09:59 PM
Fins and shrouds would be sweet.. That with a red color combo would be the ticket! this is going to be awesome

hrc85250r
07-05-2007, 10:40 PM
what about real deal carbon fiber? anybody have any friends with some mat and resin? that would be fun to try out... they would be hot too.... in case you guys don't know carbon is laid down pretty much the same as fiberglass...

200x newby
07-05-2007, 10:46 PM
already was gonna try it until i figured the cost of fiber cloth then relized that no one is gonna coin out $200 per set.

Xowner
07-06-2007, 02:19 AM
yes carbon fiber has nearly trippled in price over the last year!

200x newby
07-06-2007, 10:35 PM
anyone else we only need a few more!

Dammit!
07-06-2007, 11:51 PM
Yeah really lets go guys. You don't get a chance to get stuff like this made very often.

KASEY
07-07-2007, 12:22 AM
so its a plastic that looks like carbon? hmmmmmmmm i guess i would have to see it to see if it looks alright,,,,,,,,,

200x newby
07-07-2007, 12:46 AM
looks like there carbon fiber plastic for the trx250r's and such

badasskfx
07-07-2007, 08:59 AM
im in as of now unless i get rid of the machine. pm me just before you order them so i have a couple days to get you the cash.

200x newby
07-13-2007, 02:39 PM
come guys we only need 2 more! that sounds right dammit?

Dammit!
07-13-2007, 03:47 PM
I think so. :beer

Mosh
07-13-2007, 05:41 PM
If I order these for you guys I will buy 2 sets So If I think correctly That should put us at the 10 set mark.Let me know

Dammit!
07-13-2007, 05:43 PM
I'm ready to go as soon as I know where to send the check.

200x newby
07-13-2007, 10:53 PM
im ready to go lets make sure the rest of them are ready.

250rfan
07-14-2007, 04:41 AM
I'll take a set, if you accept paypal???

1985250sx
07-14-2007, 03:55 PM
im ready as well

PWK39
07-14-2007, 10:04 PM
ready here

200x newby
07-14-2007, 11:12 PM
waiting on go ahead will be a day or to then i will be ready to start collecting

200x newby
07-16-2007, 08:19 PM
pre-order form post how many sets your are wanting also along with your name(real name or member name)

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moshman will be collecting money so he will post sometime tonight or tomarow with payment instructions. thanks!


P.S. copy and paste this form and keep it updated when you copy and paste thanks!

Dammit!
07-16-2007, 11:20 PM
Not sure if this is what you meant but...

1. Dammit! 1 set
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10.

Mosh
07-17-2007, 07:12 AM
Not sure if this is what you meant but...

1. Dammit! 1 set
2.Moshman 2 sets

3.200xnewby 1-2 sets
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10.
I (Moshman355) will be taking the orders and payment for these.
The price will be $73.50 shipped to you.
Maier says 6-8 weeks before I get them.
As soon as I recieve all payments I will call in the order.
I do take paypal.I will aslo take money orders or I can send you a credit card request thru paypal.
Pm me with your order and I will provide paypal info or mailing addy for you money orders...

IF YOU LIVE OVER SEAS OR out of THE U.S., YOUR SHIPPING WILL BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER!!!
Thanks,Rob

I will update this post with who has paid and the status of your orders.

Dammit!
07-17-2007, 06:51 PM
This is what Maier's carbon fiber stuff looks like. I think it's pretty sweet personally.

http://members.cox.net/dammit3ww/carbonfiber.jpg

super90
07-17-2007, 06:59 PM
Are these only being made for the 250r? The price would be pretty high im guessing?

Dammit!
07-17-2007, 07:05 PM
It's a special order to get them for the 85-86 250R. We need to order ten sets or Maier will not even do it. Maier will do pretty much anything in any color (assuming they have the mold) but it's 10 piece minimum which gets pretty expensive.

They have never made 250R shrouds (or any other trike parts) out of this stuff before so if anyone wants a set, now is the time to get in on it because you might not ever have another chance.

84honda200s
07-17-2007, 07:11 PM
let me know a price and if you get some for a 200x. ill be all over it.

Mosh
07-17-2007, 07:25 PM
None for 200 x sorry.These will only be for 85-86 250R.The price is $73.50 shipped to you.

Mosh
07-17-2007, 07:28 PM
Updated list

1. Dammit 1 set ***PAID****
2.Moshman 2 sets****PAID***

3.200xnewby 1-2 sets
4.PWK39 1 set
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
That is 5 sets.We need 5 more.MAier will do more than 10 sets for the same price if anyone else wants in,,Now is the Time.

NESC104
07-18-2007, 03:32 PM
Updated list

1. Dammit 1 set ***PAID****
2. Moshman 2 sets****PAID***
3. 200xnewby 1-2 sets
4. PWK39 1 set
5. NESC104 - 1 set
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

Im sending my payment.

ONLY NEED 4 MORE......

Doc86R
07-18-2007, 07:57 PM
Updated list

1. 1 set ***PAID****
2. Moshman 2 sets****PAID***
3. 200xnewby 1-2 sets
4. PWK39 1 set
5. NESC104 - 1 set
6. Doc86R - 1 set
7.
8.
9.
10.

Will paypal, sent PM for payment instructions - Thanx Dammit for posting the link at .org

250rfan
07-19-2007, 02:36 PM
Updated list

1. 1 set ***PAID****
2. Moshman 2 sets****PAID***
3. 200xnewby 1-2 sets
4. PWK39 1 set
5. NESC104 - 1 set
6. Doc86R - 1 set
7. 250rfan - 1 set
8.
9.
10.

Pm sent to - moshman355 waiting on reply on where to send money by paypal.

Dammit!
07-19-2007, 03:06 PM
We only need two more to hit the minimum since Rob is getting two sets. Lets get this done guys!

3Razors
07-19-2007, 03:29 PM
Updated list

1. 1 set ***PAID****
2. Moshman 2 sets****PAID***
3. 200xnewby 1-2 sets
4. PWK39 1 set
5. NESC104 - 1 set
6. Doc86R - 1 set
7. 250rfan - 1 set
8. 3Razors - 1 set
9.
10.

A very unique and cool idea that will give the 250r a fresh look!

Doc86R
07-19-2007, 05:46 PM
Updated list

1. Dammit 1 set ***PAID****
2. Moshman 2 sets****PAID***
3. 200xnewby 1-2 sets
4. PWK39 1 set
5. NESC104 - 1 set
6. Doc86R - 2 sets
7. 250rfan - 1 set
8. 3Razors - 1 set

I paypal'd for two sets - that makes 10!!!!!

As soon as the checks arrive, right moshman?

85 250sx
07-19-2007, 06:34 PM
can you just order 10 at a time or is 10 the minimum? cause im still in for my set

Dammit!
07-19-2007, 07:22 PM
10 is the minimum. You still have time to get in on it. Just PM Moshman.

Mosh
07-19-2007, 08:04 PM
I have recieved the payments mentioned.I am waiting on 2 more payments.As soon as I get them I will order the shrouds.I am thinking that All payments should be in by this weekend,which means I will call Maier by no later then this Wednesday and place the order.We can order more than 10 sets.So if anyone else wants in,,,SPEAK NOW OR HOLD YOUR PEACE.
LAST CALL FOR LAST MINUTE BUYERS IS NOW!

I will update and finalize the list this weekend!

Sorry bout the caps,But bold seems to get more attention.Thanks to all that have jumped on the bandwagon.These will be sweeet!
Once again these will take 6-8 weeks to get done and to me.That is what Maier has told me.Hopefully they will be sooner than later!

DeePa
07-20-2007, 12:22 PM
i want a set...where to paypal?

Mike

3Razors
07-20-2007, 12:43 PM
Moshman did you get my pm?

oldsking86
07-20-2007, 01:59 PM
PM sent Moshman :)

Billy Golightly
07-20-2007, 02:47 PM
Would anyone have any interest in taking this a step further and getting front and rear fender sets? The scoops themselves don't interest me a whole helluva lot cause of me running the short track tank, but the fenders, now that I'd definitely be into :)

oldsking86
07-20-2007, 03:00 PM
I think it was discussed already and the cost would be a pretty penny.. more then when see-doo had his blue fenders made.. But a whole C/F set would be pretty trick if people want to spend

Dammit!
07-20-2007, 04:41 PM
Would anyone have any interest in taking this a step further and getting front and rear fender sets? The scoops themselves don't interest me a whole helluva lot cause of me running the short track tank, but the fenders, now that I'd definitely be into :)

I'm interested in MAYBE doing that down the road a little bit. I want to see the shrouds first. Make sure they're just as durable as standard Maier plastic and see how it looks and everything.

I may not be able to do the front and rear fender at the same time but if we did an order for just the front fender like we're doing here, then a little later did the rear, I could probably swing it.

I think these shrouds will complement black fenders nicely either way.

Edit: by the way, I think Maier is willing to do more than just one custom color at a time as long as the total order is at least ten. So say we had five people that wanted carbon fiber and five that wanted another color like green or something, I think they'd be able to do that.

Mosh
07-20-2007, 06:14 PM
My 2 sets will be setting in the basement for a while till I build my 250r.I might even order 2 more sets which will put me at having 4 total on hand for a while.I will update this list this weekend to who has paid and so on.Lot of Pm's and paypals to sort through here.Bare with me.

Mosh
07-20-2007, 06:17 PM
Would anyone have any interest in taking this a step further and getting front and rear fender sets? The scoops themselves don't interest me a whole helluva lot cause of me running the short track tank, but the fenders, now that I'd definitely be into :)Billy,that vwould be posssible but funds prevent me from doing a complete order right now.I think Doug's idea is the way to go.Check these out,then grab some front fenders,then Rear fenders later down the line.

Billy Golightly
07-20-2007, 07:26 PM
Oh yeah I definitely didn't expect you to front all the money Rob, I was just thinking if we could get enough people together to do another group buy on set. Is there anyone else that would be willing to put money down for a front fender now, and then for the rears in a month or something?

Maier carbon fiber look FRONT FENDERS:

#1: Billy Golightly *2 sets*
#2:
#3:
#4:
#5:
#6:
#7:
#8:
#9:
#10:

badasskfx
07-20-2007, 08:46 PM
pay pal mosh?

Mosh
07-20-2007, 09:26 PM
Updated list

1. dammit 1 set ***PAID****
2. Moshman 3-4 sets****PAID***
3. 200xnewby 1-2 sets payment on the way
4. PWK39 1 set ****paid***
5. NESC104 - 1 set, waiting payment
6. Doc86R - 2 sets *****paid*****
7. 250rfan - 1 set ***paid****
8. 3Razors - 1 set,,awaiting payment
9. badasskfx-1 set***paid****
10.oldsking86 1 set,,Awaiting payment
11. DeePA 1 set,,,Awaiting payment




Keep em coming guys.I will leave orders open til Tuesday nite!
:beer

85 250sx
07-20-2007, 09:29 PM
how much would front fenders cost in this C/F plastic stuff? id probably be interested in one of those as well.

badasskfx
07-20-2007, 09:30 PM
payed in full brother. what kind of time frame are we looking at after you pay maier?

Dammit!
07-20-2007, 09:31 PM
Billy,

I wouldn't be interested in a front fender until I see the shrouds. I have never seen Maier's carbon fiber pieces in person before so I'm kinda using this oppurtunity to check them out for a reasonable price.



Rob,

You might want to find out some prices on front and rear fenders. I'm curious to see what those would run if we end up liking these shrouds.


Edit: major props to 200xnewby for getting the ball rolling on this! Can't wait to see them.

Mosh
07-20-2007, 09:38 PM
Badasskfx,,Once I place the order,They are telling me at least six weeks.
I will hound them to get them done quick,But not make them angry.
As soon As they get here,,I will box and ship them within 7 days.

Dammit,Good call.When I call them, I will check into the full fender deal and drop a price at the end of this thread.
I am sure Maier will be pleased to find this big Trike order.Maybe They will hook us up with future ideas.,,Knowing we are seriuos and are willing to pay.

Mosh
07-21-2007, 08:32 AM
Updated list

1. dammit 1 set ***PAID****
2. Moshman 3-4 sets****PAID***
3. 200xnewby 1-2 sets payment on the way
4. PWK39 1 set ****paid***
5. NESC104 - 1 set, waiting payment
6. Doc86R - 2 sets *****paid*****
7. 250rfan - 1 set ***paid****
8. 3Razors - 1 set****PAID***
9. badasskfx-1 set***paid****
10.oldsking86 1 set,,Awaiting payment
11. DeePA 1 set****PAID***




Keep em coming guys.I will leave orders open til Tuesday nite!
:beer

seadoo650
07-21-2007, 03:12 PM
Hey Rob. I wanna see some close up pics when they come in. When I got my blue ones the trim lines sucked. I hope you guys don't have the same problem.

Mosh
07-23-2007, 08:26 PM
Ok Guys,This is it!!!!

LAST CALL!!!
Carbon fiber shrouds for the 85-86 AtC 250R!
As of tomorrow nite at 5:00 PM (7-24-07)The pre-orders Close!
We have 14-16 Sets Confirmed.
I am waiting on 2 money orders.As of now I have enough collected to place the order.I will front the 2 money orders for them.
As of the time and date I just posted I will be placing the order,with Maier first thing Wednesday morning.(7-25-07)
Thanks to all that helped, and paid so fast to make this happen:)

Current list!!!

1. dammit 1 set ***PAID****
2. Moshman 3-4 sets****PAID***
3. 200xnewby 1 set payment on the way
4. PWK39 1 set ****paid***
5. NESC104 - 1 set, *****PAID****
6. Doc86R - 2 sets *****paid*****
7. 250rfan - 1 set ***paid****
8. 3Razors - 1 set****PAID***
9. badasskfx-1 set***paid****
10.oldsking86 1 set,,Awaiting payment?You still In???????????
11.85250SX 1 set,Awaitning payment
12.DEEPA 1 set ****PAID****

If I have missed anyone Now is the time to let me know please.

BigGreenMachine
07-23-2007, 09:28 PM
Get me and price on the 250R carbon look front fender please Mosh. Let us know when you know.

badasskfx
07-23-2007, 09:31 PM
lets see how the shrouds come out then persue the fenders. ifd the shrouds look good i would love to get the fenders also.

Mosh
07-24-2007, 07:07 PM
I will be placing the order First thing Tomorrow.I will update the progress and I will also get prices on the front and rear fenders.

This is the OFFICIAL list of buyers


1. Dammit 1 set ***PAID****
2. Moshman 3-4 sets****PAID***
3. 200xnewby 1 set payment on the way
4. PWK39 1 set ****paid***
5. NESC104 - 1 set, *****PAID****
6. Doc86R - 2 sets *****paid*****
7. 250rfan - 1 set ***paid****
8. 3Razors - 1 set****PAID***
9. badasskfx-1 set***paid****
10.oldsking86 1 set,,Awaiting payment
11.85250SX 1 set,***PAID****
12.DEEPA 1 set ****PAID****

Dammit!
07-24-2007, 07:48 PM
Sweet! We should do this kind of thing more often. :D

200x newby
07-24-2007, 10:29 PM
yeah we should and i sen MO off today mosh sorry for the delay been a little busy. should be there tomarow or thursday

Mosh
07-25-2007, 05:34 PM
16 sets have been ordered.They told us 6 weeks.I will keep this post updated when I find out any new news.Thanks again!

85 250sx
07-25-2007, 05:44 PM
so did you ask about the front and rear fenders and stuff?

Mosh
07-25-2007, 06:01 PM
Yep they will call me back with a quote in a day or two.
They were Shocked to see so many ordered.

firefirefire90
07-25-2007, 06:07 PM
I think they are going to check out the strenght, look, and durability of the shrouds before a decision is made on whether or not the front fender would be possible/worth it.

DeePa
07-25-2007, 06:08 PM
front and rears are a great idea but what about the headlight shell???

Mike

Dammit!
07-25-2007, 07:21 PM
front and rears are a great idea but what about the headlight shell???

Mike

I'd only be interested in a headlight shell if they could somehow do the 86 style. I never liked the 85.

85 250sx
07-25-2007, 09:59 PM
I'd only be interested in a headlight shell if they could somehow do the 86 style. I never liked the 85.

haha realy? id like one either way but i think i actualy would rather have an 85 style headlight shell.

BigGreenMachine
07-25-2007, 11:19 PM
Well when Mosh hears back about the prices I think we should start a list like was done for the shrouds.

I'm in.

Billy Golightly
07-25-2007, 11:31 PM
I started the lsit for the front fenders on the second or 3rd page :)

Aussieduner
07-26-2007, 06:13 AM
Hey Rob. I wanna see some close up pics when they come in. When I got my blue ones the trim lines sucked. I hope you guys don't have the same problem.

Ric
I just had a new set of white Maier shrouds arrive today and the fit is extremely poor im really suprised they let them leave the factory like that ! something is not right with the trimming process if it is indeed robotic,its going to take me a while to retrim them for the correct fit if that is possible i actually would have sent them back if i was in the US.

Aussie

BigGreenMachine
07-26-2007, 10:29 AM
Is there anyone else that would be willing to put money down for a front fender now, and then for the rears in a month or something?

Maier carbon fiber look FRONT FENDERS:

#1: Billy Golightly *2 sets*
#2: BigGreenMachine *1 fender*
#3:
#4:
#5:
#6:
#7:
#8:
#9:
#10:


Who is taking payments/ordering on this buy?

Dammit!
07-26-2007, 11:10 AM
Ric
I just had a new set of white Maier shrouds arrive today and the fit is extremely poor im really suprised they let them leave the factory like that ! something is not right with the trimming process if it is indeed robotic,its going to take me a while to retrim them for the correct fit if that is possible i actually would have sent them back if i was in the US.

Aussie

That's not good.

Rob, could you call Maier and express some concern about that? Maybe we could get it taken care of before they ship them if we let them know about it now.

firefirefire90
07-26-2007, 01:04 PM
Same with my light blue ones. Bad fit. The holes are WAY off. My aftermarket tank might be part of the problem, but I highly doubt it.

BigGreenMachine
07-26-2007, 01:55 PM
Guys the front fenders fit the Tri-Z, Tecate, 350X, 200X as well as the aircooled 83/4 R so don't miss what will likely be the only batch of carbon front fenders for them.

Aussieduner
07-26-2007, 06:14 PM
Same with my light blue ones. Bad fit. The holes are WAY off. My aftermarket tank might be part of the problem, but I highly doubt it.

Yeah i thought the same as i was fitting to a Clarke tank too but i did a test fit to a stock tank and they are just as bad,the holes are out and the trim line is very crooked my thinking is that the plastic has been over heated and the part has shrunk after vaccing then when the robotic trimmer comes in the lines get all messed up.

Aussie

85 250sx
07-26-2007, 06:35 PM
uh... so why didnt anyone speak up before we made a 16 set order!!! we should deffinatly bring this to there atention hopefully before they goof ours up.

seadoo650
07-26-2007, 08:28 PM
uh... so why didnt anyone speak up before we made a 16 set order!!! we should deffinatly bring this to there atention hopefully before they goof ours up.

I did. Five days ago.

"Hey Rob. I wanna see some close up pics when they come in. When I got my blue ones the trim lines sucked. I hope you guys don't have the same problem."

BigGreenMachine
07-26-2007, 08:31 PM
Was it just the shrouds that had the bad trimming/fitment?

seadoo650
07-26-2007, 08:34 PM
Was it just the shrouds that had the bad trimming/fitment?

Yes. Just the shrouds. The trim lines were crooked as hell and they overlapped the indentations on the top front of the tank where they should of set flush. The holes were waaay off to as Aussie stated. This is the reason I'm not purchasing the some of the carbon fiber look ones. The headlight shroud was good but the mounts for the straps are kinda cheesy. The rear and front fenders were mint.

seadoo650
07-26-2007, 08:43 PM
Some pics.

max
07-26-2007, 10:35 PM
Ive been using Maier plastics for 5 or 6 years now. 250rs. 2nd and 3rd generation, and 350x. The radiator scoops are never perfect

The fit isnt that bad. Yes most of the times the holes are off. But if you oblong them a little you can make a nice fit.

Hell, ive recieved 86r fairings with no holes drilled. There is nothing you can do about this. If you all call maier and complain I doubt they will do anything. We are a minority in what they are putting out. They could say screw us (the 3wheeled population) because its not us keeping them in business.

If your looking for a perfect fit, buy OEM.

It doesnt matter what color your dealing with. The fit is a little off. But as I stated before, its not a bad at all fit. And for the price you really cant complain. I will continue to buy there product, because for the price/look/and slight mods to make it fit, its still a great deal and looks very nice.


Max

seadoo650
07-27-2007, 06:55 PM
I understand it's aftermarket and all but for the money Louis and I paid and what these guys are paying for their shrouds it would help if they fit just a little better. If it was a little better I would probably have bought some of the carbon shrouds. Minority or not my money spends the same for these older bikes as the guys on the newer ones do. Plus I have a newer quad. Don't get me wrong, I'll still buy but only if necessary.

Louis Mielke
07-27-2007, 07:59 PM
Might I take this opportunity to let everyone know that I may know where 2 sets of the blue plastic may still be running around somewhere....oh say in my basement.....

not selling in Trikesylvania.....I'm just saying.....*snicker*

Mosh
07-27-2007, 09:12 PM
I will call Maier and express the concern for "poor fitment".
But that aside,Anything aftermarket is bound to require modification to some extent.
For example if you buy Some Year one Fenders for your 69 Camaro,They wont just bolt right up.
The fact of the matter remains that,Maier is willing to accomodate us in a custom Special order.I dont want to push them to the piont Where It is a Pain in the Butt for them to deal with us.
I have already researched New mold making from them,For other models,And they want 2000 bucks just to remake a mold.
So I will close in this.I will make the concern apparent in a non pushy manner.
Anyone with a Dremmel and some time should be able to make these fit with Precision.
These are a limited custom order.No way in heck Honda would even consider it for us.
Lastly I do not want to tick them off to the point Where they say,,,"This gang of guys aint worth the hassle.Lets Discontinue All of the Trike stuff."
And then where will we Be?

Aussieduner
07-29-2007, 05:11 AM
Heres my new white Maier shrouds,the fit issues look the same as Ric's blue ones.First up Im a big fan of Maier and ive had 250R shrouds from them before that fitted a lot better so i do think the current trimming method could use some refinement.