I' new. I jsut got a honda ATC 185 (s?) need some assistance please.

[oscarmayer]

I have a few questions if someone coudl be gracious to help I'd be very appreciative.

The pull starter assembly is completely missing. I am geting the entire essembly but it's a 3bolt pattern. The crank case has 4 bolt pattern. Is one of the bolt holes not used? is there another piece ?i will need?

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/start.jpg

there is a cable missing that goes to the decompression linkage. Where would it connect form there?

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/decomp.jpg

This is the ignition section. i don't have the cover yet, but the bolt is loose. is there something that is missing from this area?

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/dist.jpg

I'm missing the rear brake lever that the cable goes too. any clue where to get one? the photo shoes the entire rear section.

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/rear.jpg

Here are 2 other general pics.

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/side.jpg

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/side_far.jpg

I am also needing to know what year/model wheels will fit on this trike? The one you see in the pic is not going to work, it's too big and they(owener i got it from) just stuck it on there to mover the trike around. So i'll need a new wheel and 3 new tires.


The motor is in good shape i can feel plent of compression and turns just fine. I forgot to mention, I only paid $50 for it. So i think I got a decent deal.

Thanks again for any help someoen can provide.

Mike
oscar@mayer.net

[team-red-rider]

i have parts if you need them

[team-red-rider]

i have a nice cdi rotor assy ill sell you for 50 dollars (guaranteed to work) (its got the cover bolts a nice rotor all of it!

[oscarmayer]

i need any parts you see missing. so if you have parts please lsit what you got and prices for them. Sorry if this is the wrong section , I'm just not sure what to do.

so i'm missing the CDI?

[team-red-rider]

nope not missing im saying if you need it i have it lol that one looks rusted up)

[Canadianwheeler]

Looks like a great project.
I think that one of the holes on the pull start side actually is just a locating dowl or pin. So I am sure that the pull start that you have will definatley fit. I would also recommend getting a manual pretty quickly. They are only about 30 bucks and will help you out big time to get this thing up and running.
Canadainwheeler

[team-red-rider]

YOU CAN downloada manual off this site!!

[BigReds Forever]

Pull Start question- There are different pull starts, though most can be made to work, youll have to get it and line it up and see how it works.

Cable- thats for the decompression release. It will connect to the pull start (if you got the right one). If not, thats ok. Mines not hooked up and it pulls over just fine.

Your ignition looks fine. If you get a book, you can learn how to adjust it and then tighten down that bolt. All you need is a cover. I have a regular one and a polished one if your interested (but i dont have the bolts)

I might have a rear break pedal for you but id have to check, otherwise post a thread in the classifieds.

Overall it looks like you got a good deal. Look for tires form denniskirk.com or check the classifieds. Oh ya, and please buy a manual. Yes you can download one for free. there full of info and are the actual honda ones. The Claymers manuals you can buy are much more user friendly and will help you out more in the long run.

[84honda200s]

that looks like a cross breed between a 200s and 185s. i think there was only one year they put a front suspension on a 185s. but im not 100% sure about that. what is the number on the neck ? if you get us that number we can be more of a help.


i have a cdi cover somewhere around here. as far as the rust on the cdi just use some emerie cloth. or very very fine sand paper and scuff the contact on the timing plate and the round parts on the oval looking thing.

[sandpuppi101]

You did good for the money on that machine.What you have there is a '83 ATC 185S,as pictured below.The cover that say's CDI ,actually is covering up your pulse generator,that whole assembly need's to be kept from the elements at all time's.It's kinda like a spark advance,I guess would beeasist to say.Check and make sure the springs are on the back side of that component and make sure your 10MM bolt is tight there ,it actually runs off the cam,but that need's the cover for sure.The decompression is'nt really an issue at theis point,but I also sent a pic of what the recoil should look like,A 3 bolt is desinged for the 90-110's and will not work on your machine,you need the type I have shown,even then some have different component's on the inside,You will need the 3 dawg type,and the recoil case require's 4 bolt's.. the rear brake should be fixed asap,frt's are not good in all braking situation's.You will need the arm which will hold 2 cables One for the foot and one for the hand /parking brake to make it correct,I highly suggest looking up past threads on the 185S and cross reference with 200 models also ,so you can get farmilar with the machine.Your baffle on the tail pipe is also MIA,FYI.. Hope I helped ya a bit,;)

[84honda200s]

thanks for clearing it up man. i tried but im not too good with words. i didnt want to confuse him by saying pulse generator and so on. i tried to keep it simple. i guess i may have kept it too simple lol.

[Jamie R.]

I would also get some bolts or studs in the head pipe!! I do think you got a pretty good deal!!

Jamie R.

[Jamie R.]

Uhmm I would look into a spark plug wire also.

Jamie R.

[foster]

Where can you see a manual for this bike on this site?
thks!

[oscarmayer]

Awesome info guys! thank you VERY much! *group hug* (ok not really, but if you guys were here's i'd buy you some beer at the local hooters :D ).

the cover I was getting doesn;t have the over hang seen in the pic from sandpuppi101, so I'm going to have to get one of those covers.

Thansk for info on the CDi. What do you guys think of thos e"aftermarket" CDI units sold on egay for like $36? They do any better job than the factory one? worth the $ or just a waste? I'm not looking to hop this thing up. It's jsut for having fun and riding and enjoying. Also to tow my drag car around while at the track back to the pits. So i jsut need to make it dependable.

I opened the gas tank yesterday. 6 year old gas in the sucker. YUCK! smells like rotten poop! There is some "specs" of suface rust int he tank, what do you guys recommend for removing that?

Yea, I know i gotta fix the exhaust, They removed/lost the bolts and never installed new ones. So I figure i'll just clean the hold up. (if stripped, i'll tap to next size) and then just put new studs on.

Where do you guys think is the best place to get things like gaskets, plugs, oil, and other misc stuff like that? I've only been using ebay because I don't know where to go. But I'd liek to find a real store or 2 to contact for help.

anyone in the Ft.Worth Texas area here? if so, email me and I'll have ya come over and looka t it. For your trouble, you'll get some dinner and beer. :)

Thanks Again guys! Looking forward to getting this thing running.

If anyone has spare parts that i need please pm/email me with what you have and what you wany for it. I'll make a posting in the classifieds.

I forgot to mention, I purchased a manual from online.

OK just made a wanted partt hread in the classifieds section.
http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?p=477693#post477693


ok some more questions, sorry to bug.

some of you stated this looks to be a cross of a 200s and a 185s. can you tell me what parts look to be crossed? the cyclinder onth emotor says 180cm (think it's cm) so that means it's a 185 motor if I'm correct: :wondering

next, the decompression cable. someone stated it connected to the pull start assembly. can someone provide me with a pic as to where? (I ordered a new cable, but I need to know where to connect it to on the starter.)

my manual will be here next week sometime.

Thanks guys for being so pacient(sp).

[foster]

The '83 185s was the only year that the bike came with front shocks, I do believe. That makes some people think the front end came off a 200. And you never know, maybe it did come off a 200.
I rode a 185s for years, same as yours.
It's a TANK I tells ya!

[oscarmayer]

hehe it feels good just sitting in it. Do they make a rebuild kit for the shocks? i know need new dust covers, but i see the rubber/plastic wipers on the top of the shocks cracking a little so they look liek they shoudl be rebuilt to ensure they don't get damaged from usage.

the guy has a old black nrlon burlap sack as a seat cover onthis thing YUCK!. I am defenitally looking for a new seat/cover. I'm building it to keep.

[oscarmayer]

do they make a rebuild kit for the front struts? if nothign else the whippers are getting work and cracked so i need to replace some of the parts on them.

[Bo0YaA]

Where can you see a manual for this bike on this site?
thks!

I was wondering the same thing?? I have found the ones for the larger bikes but nothing on the 185 am I just blind?

BTW..I should have quite a few parts left from the 3 of these im tinkering with so Ill let ya know.

[Gameover]

I was wondering the same thing?? I have found the ones for the larger bikes but nothing on the 185 am I just blind?

BTW..I should have quite a few parts left from the 3 of these im tinkering with so Ill let ya know.Here is the link to the manuals http://www.drivehq.com/file/ShowFolder.aspx?G=1&shareID=233462

[oscarmayer]

no one still has answered my question about stock rebuilds :( i see how it is :P

[DeePa]

OK.

The motor you have is a 180cc jug, but they had a different style compression release on the head. THe one you have there is off of a 200s. It would connect to the pull starter. Dont even worry about it. Leave it as it and return the cable.

Are the studs broken in the cylinder head? That what it looks like to me. Look on ebay and buy a new cylinder head for a 200/185 cc model and open that top end up and look how it goes. The factory service manual helps and the clymer does too.

As for shocks. Remove the 4 nuts and take that cap that holds the axle in place off. Remove the axle. You can take the tire and such off first if you need to.

Loosen the 4 pinch bolts (or 2) that hold the forks in the body. Remove the forks. You need to push down on that top cap to reveal a snap ring which you must then pry out with a screwdriver or some sort. Once you do this, tip the fork upside down, drain the oil (it will smell like BUTT), clean the springs and put aside.

Then you remove the dust seal that sits in the lower fork tube (outside fork, under fork book) Then take am impact and remove the allen head bolt which sits under the bottom of the forks. This may just spin...youre probabaly better off removing it first, but youll get fork butt oil all over the place.

Once that bolt is out, check for snap ring under that dust cover. i dont think there is one on this model. If there isnt, keep on tugging up on the fork slider (inner tube) and it will eventually pull the seal out.

For parts, honda sells a fork dust seal and fork seal as a kit. Usually around 20 bucks, and you need 2 of them.

Find out the right amount if ATF you need per fork for a rebuild, and then install the slider, fork seal, dust seal, springs, lower allen bolt, fill with atf, push the cap on and get that snap ring in there. I needed a friend to help witht he reassembly due to that snap ring.


Hope this is clear. The manual says it much clearer and cleaner.

Miek

[oscarmayer]

SWEET, THANKS a bunch! yea imy manual is comming next week! (i'm looking forward to it)

so my head is a 200 eh? interesting. Well i did order a decompression cable, so where woudl that go to?

[DeePa]

it would go to the recoil. its a *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* to install, and hard to get working. I took mine of and it starts up fine.

[oscarmayer]

^ yea i hear, i just ithe past had a issue once and nearly broke my thumb on an old 125 i used to have like 12 years ago. cause i forgot to sue the decompression. so now i always want to sue it to be safe.


oh hey, is there a way to install an electric start system on this trike?

[tapper190]

Looks like a great find for $50. If I were you I'd fix it up a bit and try and sell it. Then I'd buy a 250sx or a 250es (big red) They have electric start , reverse and it's a soft tail! I think they would be better for pulling your car around, but they are heavier. Don't get me wrong, you have a great bike! I have alot of great memories of mine!
Tapper

[oscarmayer]

:thumbup: Thanks! i tought of that, but yea the weight of having to load and off load it int he truck myself is quite a bit of a pain.

[Bo0YaA]

Here is the link to the manuals http://www.drivehq.com/file/ShowFolder.aspx?G=1&shareID=233462

Yeh there is no 185 manual in that selection :(

[oscarmayer]

i believe the 200s is the exact same bike as the 1983 185s except it has a slightly larger motor.

am i wrong here? :confused:

[team-red-rider]

noppe your right mike

[3 weelin geezer]

What I would recommend checking is the throttle cable freeness (trust me) , brake cables, brakes, air filter, oil screen where you take it out and the oil filter. You'll have to get a gasket for the right side of the case though. Mine looked like a brake drum with the lining not on the shoes but on the 'drum' itself. Nasty. It had about 1 cm of krud on it. Guess they never checked that before. As for the pull starter, it does not have a dowel on mine. See if you have threads on all the holes. The head you have goes to a pull starter that sorta looks like the one on this engine: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ENGINE-MOTOR-200X-HONDA-200-ATC-ATC200X-185S-200S_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43974QQitemZ190097 372795QQrdZ1
When you turn the engine and start feeling compression, can you take that lever and turn it about 100 deg. ccw and have it stay there? If it does, all you need to do is get a rod or something to make a handle for it if you want.

[oscarmayer]

how hard would it be to just convert it to a thumb lever like the older models?
(head swap maybe?)

[3 weelin geezer]

You don't need to swap anything. I went to the honda dealer looking for a replacement for mine because the bushing on the lever was wasted. They only had one that didn't have the kill switch built in. I think that one comes on an atc 90 model. The one that goes on the left handlebar side ran for around $100 or so. Wayyy too rich for me. I was going to get the modern aluminum thumb throttle, but that was also $100. So I settled for the $40 twist grip style. Works but is not as much fun. I just had to monkey paste an on/off switch from autozone onto the handlebar with some junk sheetmetal and it was only around $6 vs ~$100 or so for the M/c type that looks a lot prettier. I'll see if I can get a pic of it in the morning. The pic of it I have on the 'desktop pic' thread doesn't show it. Its too dark.

[oscarmayer]

sound good man