How do i set 83 honda 110s timing?

[Scooter77]

Hello everyone, I just replaced the head on my 83 110 yesterday and I need a pointer on how to set the timing right. I dont have a manual for this one yet as i'v not really needed one. But any help on this would be great. Thanks. :cool:

[team-red-rider]

put it at TDC the cam goes in with lobes facing down and the cam sprocket can only bolt on one way thats a good starting point.

[Scooter77]

Ok well I set the piston to the top of the cylander and put the timing sprocket in with the o facing up than i put in the cam shaft with the teeth facing down. Put it all back together. I still cant get it to start, it gets spark, i know the carb works, it has gas in the tank and everything flows right. Is there anything i did or could have done wrong? thanks again for any help. :TrikesOwn Oh and one more thing..it spits gas out of the little breathing tube on the carb when i pull the starter with the choke on.

[team-red-rider]

the carb needs rebuilding

[Scooter77]

Hey rider i'v got a question. Do you think it could be a bad valve? This head came off a parts engine of mine. Also i have tons of carb parts and just built a good looking carb for it. I need to seal the bowl and then im gonna give it a try. But if it dont work I was thinking the valves could be at fault. I have a spare set of those to if i need them.

[team-red-rider]

well 1st try putting some fuel right into the motor (OHH WAIT ARE YOU SURE THE ROTOR UNDER the CDI cover is on right?

[Scooter77]

I do know theres the 50/50 chance thing to watch out for. I looked through the spark plug port and the cdi is at the fire position just after that valve closes. I think thats right not sure though.

[team-red-rider]

try flipping the black rotor over 180 degrees then try to start it....then please report back?

[Scooter77]

By black rotor do you mean the little black box that the wires run to? If so i set it in the same position it was in when it ran. its off to the lower right side. I can still give it a go though if needed. I just need to wait til the sealer dryes on the carb. Thanks for all your help by the way. :)

[team-red-rider]

nope not that there should be a rectangular black piece with magnets on the end..try flipping that 180degrees if u need a picture tell me LOL

[Scooter77]

Oh...i see lol i didnt get it for a sec...That thing is silver on my trike. I'll do that then lol.

[team-red-rider]

oh ok on my 84 and 85 its black lol but yea flip the 180 and try it ...even if u have to just put gas in the cyl through the spark plug hole ok?

[aquapunk]

http://www.drivehq.com/file/ShowFolder.aspx?catID=0&subCatID=0&sort=&isInc=&isGallery=true&share=true&shareID=233462&parentID=636956&parentPath=\\dammit\manuals\

theres a manual that says "atc 70-125" hope it helps!

[Scooter77]

Ok....I injected fuel into the the SP port with no luck starting, Did the 180 thing, put a carb on that was off a running trike i had (with new jets) and still no luck getting it started. It is spitting gas back and into the air intake and soaked the filter. All i can think of is either a bad valve or I need to double check my timing work. I did it just as its spose to be done though. Piston all the way at the top of cyl, i put the sprocket in the chain making sure not to move the piston, i put in the cam shaft teeth down and bolted it all together. And it spits gas through the carb and into the intake. any ideas? :(

[team-red-rider]

put your hand over the intake and pull the carb is it blowing or sucking in air?

[Scooter77]

When i put my hand over it, it sucks and then blows. even with my hand pressed firm it still sucks and then blows.

[team-red-rider]

bad intake valve same problem as my 110!

[team-red-rider]

take your head off look through the intake port while holding the head towards a light or even better the sun and can u see light around the valve?

[Scooter77]

LOL...Thank goodness. It's dark out side but i love my trike so much im working in lamp light. I'll fix that valve tonight maybe. P.S i have a shop light lol but i just moved and most of my tools are at my other house. :TrikesOwn

[team-red-rider]

ANY light bright enough to read under will work!

[team-red-rider]

also a new valve will need to have the seat lapped so the valve wont leak

[Scooter77]

Well red i have no idea whats wrong with this darn thing. I'v tried to reset the timing and all that still no luck though. I checked out that valve and it seems fine. Also i dont see why it would be the valves because this head came off a running engine i had with a bad tranny. All i can think of now is i am doing something wrong with the timing. there is 3 markings on the flywheel one is a O the other is a T and i think the last is a F. Would you happen to know anyone that could scan me the timing page of a 110s manual? I'v tried everything i can think of.....even stuff that i didnt think would be wrong.

[team-red-rider]

hmm i can do over the fone tech support ...but itll cost ya LOL j/k but seriously if u need help pm *Edited**Edited* numb'r

[Scooter77]

Well I think im making some progress. I got it to back fire lol but at least it fired...it dont seem to be spittin as bad either. I think im a few teeth off on the timing. I'll just keep going tooth by tooth and see what happens.

[team-red-rider]

flip that silver rectangular thing than try again!!!