Problems with my 200s

[playboy]

Sorry, I'm not very mechanical.

I am haveing to run it on full choke all the time and if I get off the gas it dies.
It just started running like this about 2 weeks ago.

I took the carb apart and cleaned it real good and replaced the bowl gasket , spark plug and air filter.

Should I try to adjust the needle?, Air mixture?

How do I adjust the air mixture. I mean i know where to do it but is there a procedure?

I also replaced the fuel line with a slightly smaller one. I didn't think that would matter but hell if i know.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
~Jason~

[DeePa]

nice lookin 200s...

go and buy a carb rebuild kit and replace all of the jets. See if that helps at all.

That should fix your problem. Just cleaning the jets sometimes doesnt work. You have to either get in there with wire or just replace them. Only costs 15 + shipping off of ebay or www.mfgsupply.com or www.hyperparts.com

Mike

[playboy]

Can someone with minimal mechanical skills install this kit without too much trouble?

I mean I'm not completely useless but this would be the first time I rebuilt a carb this small.

[traxxasx]

Yea its just taking out the old jets and replacing new jets needle and gaskets. Its simple but what i would so is take your carb off and apart, there will be 2 brass looking jets, the have holes in the middle of them.
Clean both of those real good with carb cleaner and use compressed air to takeout any dirt inside. Seems like one of them are clogged and it cant get gas unless its choked just to stay on. So try cleaning the carb real good and remeber how everything went and if ya have to take pictures. Then try that before you spend money.

[playboy]

Thanks. Thats a great idea...........The taking pictures part.

I will def. do that if I rebuild. I'll try cleaning tho's jets again when I get home.

I also had the old man at my local atv shop tell me that the air runs down the frame and into the airfilter box and I should try to run a coat hanger thru it because dirt dobbers sometimes get in there.

But it was running like this with the box top off so I don't think thats it. I'ma go ahead and ream it out anyway tho..............just in case.

[traxxasx]

Thanks. Thats a great idea...........The taking pictures part.

I will def. do that if I rebuild. I'll try cleaning tho's jets again when I get home.

I also had the old man at my local atv shop tell me that the air runs down the frame and into the airfilter box and I should try to run a coat hanger thru it because dirt dobbers sometimes get in there.

But it was running like this with the box top off so I don't think thats it. I'ma go ahead and ream it out anyway tho..............just in case.


Well just remeber what you did to it before it started acting wierd. Its mostlikely your jets, you can take them out and go down to honda and get new ones for it. Id suggest go to some OTher bike store say as SAMS or somthing cause hona wants like 15$ a piece were other places charge 4$.

[playboy]

Yeah we went muddin at an atv park a few days befor this and my filter was junk. I'm sure I got it gunked up.

Thanks for all your advice.

[playboy]

I am ordering the kit.

I checked out both sites and the one on hyper parts is about 6 dollars more.

Is there a reason for that? Is it a better kit?
All the parts look brass on hyperparts kit.

[Vealmonkey]

Here's a good suggestion, get a shop manual for the trike. Don't ask people to give you advice when your not very familiar with the trike, I could be a bad deal. You also don't say wether you replaced the air filter and all these items before or after your carb problems, it could make a difference. And you state your filter is junk. What do you mean by that? Were you running your airbox lid on or off when you went riding throught the mud with your junk filter? You have to be more helpful with what you were doing with your trike and what conditions that parts were in when you were running the trike when it started messing up. A dirt dobber nest in the intake of your air filter wouild choke off air to the airbox and carb, but you are having to run with your choke on which cuts air off to the carb so the clogged airbox inlet doesn't seem very likely. Also, if you have rebuilt carbs before, what difference would the size of the carb make they all have the same basic parts, some just less than others. People don't mind trying to help or give advice, but you have to be a little more descriptive up front when you are describing you problem. But still you need to get a shop manual for your trike. Honda shop manuals are the best but any manual is better than none.

[playboy]

Ooooooo, k.

I just ordered a manual today. That is great advice.
I found a clymer. I've never bought a manual are they pretty good (cylmer I mean)?

What I mean by junk airfilter is that is was junk..Tore up, Holes, etc. Old and dried out. All the new stuff was added afterward. The airbox lid was on of course.

Thats good to know about the nest. Very simple and I completely over looked it. Didn't even think about the mechanics just figured it couldn't hurt.

And I have only been part of a 2 man team on a carb rebuild before on a car. Brother, I said I'm not very mechanical.

I understand I need to be "more descriptive up front when I am describing my problem". But thats kind of why I started this thread, Once again not very mechanical, to find out what kinda things I need to be looking for or describing for you to understand my problem. I am not aware of all the factors which may lead to this problem.

And I know nothing can beat a manual. However I did get the idea that thats what this forum was for. Comunicating with other trike riders, tech talk, advice, etc.

Beginers as well as novice.

Thank you for all your advice.




Would one of you guys take a look at these sites and tell me which is the better kit.
http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/MD03-007.html?id=3WdJFMvM ....&.... http://www.hyperparts.com/wc.dll?ctwp~iteminquiry~1001~1002~H230337

Thanks,
~Jason~

[dickieg89]

You'll find that your clymer manual will be very helpful. I use mine quite a bit for the diagrams and that sort of stuff. my 2 cents.

Thats a nice looking 200s, there a story behind that being that mint looking?

[playboy]

I don't know if there is a story.

Just looks like some old man bought it back in 85 and just kept it in a garage for 20 years.

Unfortunatly it doesn't look quite as good now. But still in good condition. But I did buy it to ride.

It has been the best find I have ever found.
I'm not even gonna tell ya what I gave for it. lol

[traxxasx]

Yea if its been sat for 20 years then its proably clogged, those kits look the same i would go with anyone there isent a performance jet or anything so u should be fine with the cheaper one.

[Vealmonkey]

I wasn't trying to pick on you or anything, but the better you describe the problem the easier it can be to help figure it out. Also, with most of the manuals, they have a trouble shooting section which helps you to find problems or at least try to isolate them to a certain section. I can tell you there are air vents on your carb that help the carb from locking up airflow wise internally and if one of those got any mud or dirt in it that it will mess up how the carb behaves. If you got any dirt or rust in your carb from your tank it could clog the inlet to the float valve or clog your jets. If your not running any extra fuel filters in the 2 lines between your gas tank and your carb you should try that too. The fuel inlets and the jets on the carb are small and can easily get blocked up enough to stop the flow of fuel. Clamp off the 2 fuel lines to the carb petcock and remove the petcock to make sure it is not full of crud, that could stop or slow down your fuel flow. It is easiest to work from the tank to the carb and look for problems before you majorly tear into the carb. Any extra filtration of the fuel before it gets to the carb can't hurt and those little inline disposable filters can be purchased for around $1.00, cheap insurance. The petcock is held on by 2 screws, but make sure you use something to clamp off the gas lines first and make sure you catch the fuel that comes from the petcock to see if it is full of crud. I would order the carb rebuild kit anyway and keep it on the shelf in case you want to tear it down and rebuild it later, but you might not need to tear apart the carb right now. Check the easier things first. You say you have a fuel problem and the fuel comes from the gas tank so check the tank first and work your way to the carb.

[playboy]

Thanks for the advice on the kit traaxxasx.

Thats great advice vealmonkey. I think I'm gonna go ahead and rebuild it when my manual gets here. I prolly won't ride all week anyway. Work has been crazy lately. Great idea about the fuel filter. Is there a certain size or better brand I should look at?

Thanks Again,
~Jason~

[trikes4life]

yeah nice 200s love thos bikes. Its starving for gas, how small did you go on the gas line.

[playboy]

I don't know the exact size but it was just a little smaller. I switched to a larger one last night and there was no change.