Red Kote, Kreem - gas tank liner suggestions

[Huffa]

There are a few things I learned when using these products so I thought I'd pass it on (may not be in exact order) ..........

if you muratic acid your tank (I used a 50/50% MA/water solution), have a nice large tub to catch the last remainder of it that you must shake out of the fill hole, I have never found to get it all out by the petcock hole alone

with Red Kote there is no need to MA the tank (Kreem there is), but I did mine anyway

the tank may spring pin hole leaks from removing the rust so tape them up before doing the liner. The liner seals up to a 1/16" hole I think they said. You can also patch them with a few products made to do so from auto part stores .

make sure you have the set up figured out as to how you are going to prop the tank once you drained the liquid liner out (some tanks do not naturally sit how you would want them to because of the shape or petcock location)

when draining, have a good flashlight so you can watch the flow of it so you know which way you still must tilt tank for best flow out of the petcock hole.

depending on the tank, it is really hard to not get minor puddles out, which are a no-no. I had two very minor ones so I left the tank dry 2 days before applying the second coat. I think in 12 hours it was totally dry but I wanted to make sure that the slight puddles (very slight) had full chance to cure as much as possible

the baffel in picture certainly makes it a bit tougher for draining. :mad: it was a real pain actually

this is my 1st tank with red kote (did three with kreem through the years) and I really don't find it to flow any better then the kreem. I thin both products out with acetone which they do say you can do so

have some Q-Tips to clean out the petcock hole so the liner stays as thin as possible. If your doing two coats, it's best to use a wire brush and clean it out so there is none on so second coat flows out as good as 1st

the lip in the fill hole will usually not get an even coat and it's best to tape off the fill hole rather then use the cap itself, I used the cap and it :mad: looks like crap now, so I'll wire wheel it all off and just give it an even dunking of the stuff so it will look uniform

[ceaserthethird]

Nice info , Where did you get a small wire brush to fit in the fuel lines ?

Will be doing this soon

[Huffa]

Nice info , Where did you get a small wire brush to fit in the fuel lines ?

Will be doing this soon

In the plumbing section of most hardware stores, I used the smaller one here.

About 2 bucks a piece or so ............

Don't freak if you get some runs that come to a halt and don't flow good, this always seems to happen to me, it's very hard to get an even coat thru the whole tank and I had mine thinned!

It was fine till I thought I'll try and get that last small puddle out by tilting the tank and then the product just flowed a bit and came to a sudden stop but I'm sure it will hold up fine. Just glad you don't see it cause it does bother me that it did not get real even like on other tanks I did with Kreem.

Kreem was not perfect either but seemed a bit easier to work with then the RK stuff :wondering

[edog]

I did my 200X Tank with Kreem.Came out good.

[Huffa]

I did my 200X Tank with Kreem.Came out good.

Some really hate the Kreem, I think Howdy was one who had troubles with it.

I like the creamy color of it more then the Red Kote :lol:

That's right, I still have my 85 Honda 700S Nighthawk and that got a kreem job a few years ago, I think I'll just go pop the fuel cap and see how it's doing! :beer

Looks perfect yet!! :w00t:

OH MY GOD :eek: Your RIDING your machine on your avatar pic !! :lol: :beer

[BigGreenMachine]

Whats the cost of Red Cote verus Kreem? I need to do this with a plastic tank sometime the spring.

[Huffa]

They are both in the $30 range but won't work on pastic tanks.

I must say though, it certainly sticks and coats my plastic funnels just fine. Some say it may work, I'm telling you what the manufacturer says.

[BigGreenMachine]

It will work on plastic tanks. I've heard of people doing it on this site.

Edog...why do you post when you have nothing to say or add?

I need to coat the plastic tank, it keeps paint on plastic tanks from bubbling as well as stickers.

[Huffa]

It will work on plastic tanks. I've heard of people doing it on this site.

Edog...why do you post when you have nothing to say or add?

I need to coat the plastic tank, it keeps paint on plastic tanks from bubbling as well as stickers.

Yea, it might be holding up now but for how many years ? How long ago did they do it? If it was just a year ago or so that isn't saying very much as to how it will hold up in the long run.

The manufacter should know better then anyone if it will hold up and I would go by what they say but that is just my suggestion, you wreck what you want! :lol:

Here is a segment of the RK directions ..........

We are told that two of these thin coats still take less time to dry than one thick coat.

Red-Kote ® does not stick well to plastic tanks or to plastic parts inside a gas tank.

Do not coat over other coatings. Remove old coatings completely first, using M.E.K. or other solvent. Call us if you have a problem.

Do Not Use in Dry Sump Oil Tanks, oil temps can easily exceed the 250* max temp of this product and cause serious damage to oiling system and or engine causing engine failure.

Will not stick to Plastic Cells

[Dirtcrasher]

Edog...why do you post when you have nothing to say or add?



He said he used Kreem on his 200X and it worked good... That does add some usefull information.

Usually EDOG posts his desire for pictures which agreed, is a waste of a post.

BUT, thats just him and at least he can spell and does offer other helpfull information at times.

Maybe he rides his ATC's or maybe he just shines them up - yet another debate.... But he sure loves restoring trikes and giving them away for cheap money compared to the time and money he spends so he's AOK in my book :beer :beer And someday were gonna get a ride together and post all the pics :)

[BigGreenMachine]

Dirtcrasher, there was a reply after Huffa's reply to me. It was edog and his exact post was;


Plastic tank?:wondering :confused: :p


Was in a bad mood and that struck me as very stupid...added nothing and made it sound like I didn't know what I was talking about.


ANYWAYS!!! I want to paint my tank and put some decals on then clear it all so it lasts. I was told by Greenlightning on this board (owns the orange/checkered T3) that you need to Kreem or Kote the tank first so you don't get bubbling.

[Tres Amigo]

What do you use to remove old Creem liners that are peeling up?

[Huffa]

What do you use to remove old Creem liners that are peeling up?

Acetone. Just keep swishing it around, empty, do again till it's gone.

That's how I did it anyway.

[SYKO]

hmmmm..... thanx for that info.... I got 3 tanks that need that done.

[Huffa]

hmmmm..... thanx for that info.... I got 3 tanks that need that done.

I noticed in my above posts that kreem directions said for removing to....... " Remove old coatings completely first, using M.E.K. or other solvent."

I have no idea what M.E.K. is but just thought I'd point this out also.

[Tres Amigo]

Thanks Huffa!

[night4creeper]

What do you use to remove old Creem liners that are peeling up?


I just peeled mine out with a screwdriver and prybar.

Then found the tank also had several 1/4 to 1/2 in. rust holes in the bottom. I welded in a patch, but then started finding several pin holes all over the lower right side of the tank. After about 3 hrs, I gave up. time for another tank.

[rally4x4racer]

one of the companies make a kit specifically for re-doing a liner. It comes with whatever needed to remove the old liner. The easiest way to remove the liner is to not put one in it.

I hear you can coat the plastic tanks too. MEK should open the plastic up to allow for adheision ??

[Huffa]

I just peeled mine out with a screwdriver and prybar.

Then found the tank also had several 1/4 to 1/2 in. rust holes in the bottom. I welded in a patch, but then started finding several pin holes all over the lower right side of the tank. After about 3 hrs, I gave up. time for another tank.

:lol: :lol: :lol: You what ??? How in the world can you use a pry bar and screwdriver ? You are being sarcastic I hope.

[Huffa]

one of the companies make a kit specifically for re-doing a liner. It comes with whatever needed to remove the old liner. The easiest way to remove the liner is to not put one in it.

I hear you can coat the plastic tanks too. MEK should open the plastic up to allow for adheision ??

Nope, you can not kote plastic tanks too, they say it right in the directions.

[rally4x4racer]

Huffa, that is a disclaimer. Companies do that for various reasons - sometimes just because a lack of knowledge. Have you coated a plastic tank and witnesseth what you speak of?

I really can't speak because I have not tried it either. I have a BW80 tank I suppose I could sacrifice for the sake of our evolution!!

http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm A quick look turned up this product - I have not tired this either - but note the "applications" section at the top right of the page.

[rally4x4racer]

thanks John..... looks like the BW80 tank is up for sale :) !!!!

[Huffa]

Huffa, that is a disclaimer. Companies do that for various reasons - sometimes just because a lack of knowledge. Have you coated a plastic tank and witnesseth what you speak of?

I really can't speak because I have not tried it either. I have a BW80 tank I suppose I could sacrifice for the sake of our evolution!!

http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm A quick look turned up this product - I have not tired this either - but note the "applications" section at the top right of the page.

Put it this way, when I kreemed a few tanks I used a plastic funnel for draining it from petcock hole, the kreem is starting to peel off the funnel and about the only other thing I pour through it is gas.

Like Jes says, time will tell with his.

[Huffa]

I thing Huffa is right about them saying they don't recommend to use on plastic tanks but hey, they probably are just following csps rules or what ever that agency's name is,

john

Hey John, if yours does hold up well in time be sure and post that in a few months or year or so, because I am most curious since they don't recommend it.

Post either way though, if it did :p or didn't :(

Thanks!

[rally4x4racer]

If I referred specifically to "kreem" sorry, I dont like it on metal; nonetheless plastic.

I am trying redkote for the first time soon - after that I will check out the caswell product.

BTW- I just read some info on POR 15 and they say to use their paint stripper product to remove old liners.. I know other companies make some stuff too just never had to deal with it. I think acetone would work jsut as well like you said...
http://www.por15.com/Data%20Sheets/fuel%20tank%20sealer%20pdf.pdf

[rally4x4racer]

In any case, the caswell product should be good on plastics

[Huffa]

Thanks Huffa!


Your welcome !

Did you get the coating out ?

[69HemiGTX]

I noticed in my above posts that kreem directions said for removing to....... " Remove old coatings completely first, using M.E.K. or other solvent."

I have no idea what M.E.K. is but just thought I'd point this out also.

MEK is methyl ethyl ketone, a sweet-smelling powerful solvent usually used in aircraft maintenance shops. It's also a known carcinogen, which is why the military no longer uses it. I'll tell you this, if you're able to get some and use it, you'll want to from that point on. It's definitely the good stuff. ;)