83/84 and 85/86 R - I never noticed just how .......

[Huffa]

............much these machines differ. So much that it may very well be the most extreme changes between different year models of any ATC out there?

The main ones I see, well of course the water cooling but I'm not even talking about that, I'm referring to the .............

1) 5/6 F brake set is on L, 83/4 on R

2) 5/6 pipe on R, 3/4 on L

3) 5/6 chain on R, 3/4 on L.......... which of course means the R brakes are opposite too

Just strange to go to all that trouble, for what? I just don't see what that accomplishes by doing so?

[team-red-rider]

u got this backwards 5/6 chain on R, 3/4 on L the water pumpers had keft hand drive the air foolers had right hand drive~

[smyers33]

No you got it wront team red... 83/84 chain is on the right.

[Huffa]

No you got it wront team red... 83/84 chain is on the right.

He did say that then ......... "the water pumpers had left hand drive, the air foolers had right hand drive "

He was just showing in 1st part what I said wrong.

[team-red-rider]

[/quote u got this backwards 5/6 chain on R, 3/4 on L ....the water pumpers had left hand drive the air foolers had right hand drive~/quote]....."i kinda did say it right read it again!"

[smyers33]

Missed that sorry I should read the whole thing.

[Billy Golightly]

Their a completely different engine, hell the whole bikes are different. About the only things that interchange are the rear wheels. It just shows how committed Honda was to making improvements to their trikes, they totally re-designed the R every 2 years since its inception.

[Dammit!]

Just imagine if they had made it into the mid 90's. I get so pissed off at the CPSC and general drunken retarded public just thinking about it. Powervalved motors, inverted forks, 12 inches of travel, upper 40's in stock horsepower... Hell the ATC 500R would have been out for a few years by then. :mad:

[rich250rracer]

............much these machines differ. So much that it may very well be the most extreme changes between different year models of any ATC out there?

The main ones I see, well of course the water cooling but I'm not even talking about that, I'm referring to the .............

1) 5/6 F brake set is on L, 83/4 on R

2) 5/6 pipe on R, 3/4 on L

3) 5/6 chain on R, 3/4 on L.......... which of course means the R brakes are opposite too

Just strange to go to all that trouble, for what? I just don't see what that accomplishes by doing so?

This is about the same time frame that Honda switched the bikes over from right side drive to left. The bikes were left side kick though, and the change let them narrow out the motor.

[Huffa]

Their a completely different engine, hell the whole bikes are different. About the only things that interchange are the rear wheels. It just shows how committed Honda was to making improvements to their trikes, they totally re-designed the R every 2 years since its inception.

True, but I have seen quite a few times, heck what am I saying, lots of times where "improvements" are not always improvements. Sometimes Honda changes things, just for the sake of changing things and the "old" set up worked just great!!

Aren't the 81 thru 84 motors real simular and share the same casings (most everything else?), since you say every 2 years Honda totally redesigned the R?

[Billy Golightly]

Yes the engine castings are the same but thats about it. Different forks, swingarm, frame, rear shock, gas tank, seat, fenders, carb, exhaust, almost everything.

[Huffa]

Yes the engine castings are the same but thats about it. Different forks, swingarm, frame, rear shock, gas tank, seat, fenders, carb, exhaust, almost everything.

YEP, that I knew and between those two models I'd say they were all HUGE improvements. The 81/2 still is a cool model though, I lke them.

[Rm250RF900R]

Hello Huffa hows your bike collection doing haha.. But yeah, It is amazing how different the 83-84 R's and the 85-86 R's are. Shoot, even the 81 and 82 R's are completely different from the 83s and 84s. Like Billy said. That just shows you how commited honda was just to make a better trike. I have to give them some props.

[ratvespa]

heh, they are committed to change for some vehicles, others they just left alone. The XR600 from the 80's is still pretty close to the XR650 they still sell, they just updated some stuff on it, and thankfully got rid of that stupid dual carb (2 carbs for 1 cylinder, stupid!) The rebel 250 is the same bike from the 80's as well. Honda keeps on top of it when it's a competition machine, but some times they know when to leave well enough alone. Kinda like the yamaha v-max motorcycle, same bike since 1985, and it's still a awesome bike to this day. I would love to get one, but I know I would be changing that rear tire on a weekly basis.

Has anyone though about making a tripple clamp that could hold a set of long travel inverted forks? and I am really amazed no one here has taken a newer quad with all it's modern technology and turned it into a trike

[SWIGIN]

[QUOTE I am really amazed no one here has taken a newer quad with all it's modern technology and turned it into a trike[/QUOTE]



iv thought about this too....a trike has a huge pipe under the tank and most quads have 2 smaller tubes that are at the sides of the tank...Suzuki quads would be the easiest to convert since the q-racer and q-sports have the same single huge pipe under the tank.

this is why the astro kit used some suzuki parts in those kits

[slothminx]

Has anyone though about making a tripple clamp that could hold a set of long travel inverted forks? and I am really amazed no one here has taken a newer quad with all it's modern technology and turned it into a trike

There are many people with inverts on trikes, and there are a few quads coverted around too ;)

[Huffa]

heh, they are committed to change for some vehicles, others they just left alone. The XR600 from the 80's is still pretty close to the XR650 they still sell, they just updated some stuff on it, and thankfully got rid of that stupid dual carb (2 carbs for 1 cylinder, stupid!) The rebel 250 is the same bike from the 80's as well. Honda keeps on top of it when it's a competition machine, but some times they know when to leave well enough alone. Kinda like the yamaha v-max motorcycle, same bike since 1985, and it's still a awesome bike to this day. I would love to get one, but I know I would be changing that rear tire on a weekly basis.

Has anyone though about making a tripple clamp that could hold a set of long travel inverted forks? and I am really amazed no one here has taken a newer quad with all it's modern technology and turned it into a trike

The 2 carbs /one cylinder worked extremly well though, as I had an 83 XL 600 with that set up which was my favorite bike of all times.

I think, if I remeber correct, the one carb would only open up the 1st 1/3 of throttle twist, then the other would join in. The twin carb had more air velocity too. I think it was a matter of simplicity why Honda went back to a single.

The XR 200 (can't remember which years) had that too and supposedly smoked the single carb model. I think it had more valves also, not sure though.