Tecate axle swaps

[cr480r]

Is there any alternative to wheel spacers for added width on a 84/85 Tecate? I have found bits and pieces about Lt 250 and 400ex swaps. What the real story? anybody have any creative combos they would like to share? Even If I found an extended kxt axle to buy, It would be a shame to risk ruining it. There has got to be a solution...

[scooterroo]

well miltech used to make extended swingers for them, and set them up to except the honda 400ex or 250r rear bearing carriers so you could use honda axles and have a better variety of choices for extended axles. but as far as a honda axle fitting a stock t3, i'm not sure it will. i think unless your able to find an aftermarket extended axle for the 84-85, you will have to go with spacers. thats what i am going to be using, +2.5 inches on each side.

[oldsking86]

Yea spacers is all you can do.. On our tecate we have honda hubs so we can use honda wheels and spacers because there is a wider variety of them.

[BigGreenMachine]

You have Honda hubs on your 85 Tecate??? WHat model are the hubs off of?

[oldsking86]

My dad got them from a guy in south florida that made and had many trike parts.. They are honda bolt pattern on a kawasaki spline. So we use the stock kawasaki axle but can bolt on 4/110 honda wheels. We have +2 spacers on our bikes which we also got from this guy. THe hubs he had specially made for my dad's application.

Here see, we both have the same 10" douglas wheels on our bikes
http://usera.imagecave.com/lilcuban38/April20053.jpg

[BigGreenMachine]

Ok now I understand. I was hoping there was an actual Honda hub on your T3 that allowed you to run Honda wheels.

[oldsking86]

Yeah I know I wish there were too so i can get some for the other T3, don't even know if this guy is still in business down there.. If you interested I can look into it for you BGM

[BigGreenMachine]

Thats ok oldsking. You say you have another TEcate? Another 85 like your old mans?

I should mention that HAgen/Greenboy does custom billet extended axles for the T3 for I think 400...

[Aussieduner]

Where is Hagen ? ive PMed him re the Tecate stuff and never heard from him.

Aussie

[Meat-BoX]

It might work on an 84-85 Tecate. Heres some pics of it on Mik6's Trike.:drool:
See whats up with Miltech I hear they are good. Maybe you can find one.

[scooterroo]

this hagan guy does billet extended axles for the 84-85 t3? really:) need some info on this. any one?

[nd4speed]

I still believe an LT250R axle will work with the 6008LU axle bearings. When I did my orginal post about it I said the Brake hub lip would need to be turned down about 1/4". After I looked at my own pics I realized that lip is what goes inside the bearing seal. I never pressed the hub/axle all the way into the seal. Any way the dimension for where the bearings ride are very close and spacing the sprocket hub and brake caliper shouldn't be impossible.

Seeing as I am the only one with these two available I should prove it huh?

As far as 84-85 swingarm extension- It is steel isn't it? Cut and weld some more steel on.

[200x Basket]

i am 99% sure the 86 axle will work. you have to use the 86 carrier,sprocket hub,sprocket,brake rotor and hub... etc. basically a complet 86 rear end. it is wider and stronger.

[cr480r]

An lt250 axle would be slick, The thought of a creative parts combo appeals to me. Guess i could graft a different carrier onto my tecate swingarm. How about 300ex? do those have steel swingarms? I would like to be around 50" without spacers.

[BigGreenMachine]

xbasket is right you know. The 86 rear end will bolt into the 84/85 T3 swingarm and the axle is wider. Which also lets you run wider offset Honda 200X hubs and then if you were to run offset wheels you'd be in business.

I'd love to see how the LT axle fits!!! Do it nd4speed!

[200x Basket]

"KISS, keep it simple stupid" is the way i work and it did fit. i am jsut 99% sure because i sold the project before i ever rode it. it did bolt right in and everything lined up. I also had a 86 front end on it and had started to mate the 86 swinger on it. I had 86 OEM fenders and other tricks on it. i wish i would have finished it :wondering

[cr480r]

Hey nd4speed, any conclusions on the axle swap?

[nd4speed]

Not yet.

Since I have both LT and 86 KXT I dreamed of a Kawaszuki KXLT250R. With the swingarm bearing bosses ground flush it might fit and be +2" but shock angle is different. The LT motor might fit but its longer and would be a tight squeeze between the fork down tubes. Even then the pipe and front tire might rub. Anyway, just dreams. And who feels like takin all this functioning stuff apart to just find out?

I have a spare 86 T3 frame to investigate with but no parts to swap. I want to split the cases on the LT and would do it then but I will probably wait one more season.

[nd4speed]

LT250R axle in 86 T3 thoughts:

The distance between outer faces of axle bearings= 6" for LT / 6.25" for T3

From end of axle to carrier face= 14.25" left and 14" right

The axle needs to move .25" to left so bearings don't ride on splines and so the nuts have more thread engagement. (Axle Nut Pic).

Notice the 0.25" step on the leftside of the Brake Hub. Removing this shifts 0.25" left. (Pic 1) Or whole hub needs to move right.

Sprocket must be and can be moved to inside of hubs. But Bolts are now on the inside. How wide is the sprocket? You now lose the 0.25" of thread you gained by shifting axle to left. So must turn down sprocket hub's outside face and remove material there.

A spacer will be need between Sprocket hub and bearing. This will align Sprockets.

Can't move brake rotor to inside on brake hub. So space the brake out instead.

The stack up leaves the axle sticking out about 0.5" more on the left.

Did not measure Brake rotor diameter. Problems there?

Unexplored possibilities- I have never taken the Brake hub off and don't know what's under there. Tapered area? Couldn't I remove the axle nuts and shift the hub over 0.25" to the right? The axle would still hang out more on the left 0.5" so that leaves some type of wheel hub mod or spacer to correct the difference.

[cr480r]

I may look into using the entire suzuki swingarm then. That would be like a +4" on a 1985 tecate...

[cr480r]

and with a brand new 2+2 axle and some z400 hubs would be a slick setup I think.

[nd4speed]

OK, your turn.

Swingarm bearing bosses on outside (or inside frame) would need to be ground. Where does this leave the bearing size? It could be done.

My thought is the 85-86 LT swingarm but it is far weaker. Seems it would be easier to setup though.

Then there's the shock linkage........

[cr480r]

Thanks for the research nd4speed. I will be giving this swap some reseach as well. Thanks for your time

[nd4speed]

From post:
http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/s...385#post456385

AS for the 86+87 you can use a tecate 4 axle.

I have been keep this under my hat for alittle while,after that ordeal with the decals I swore I'd never help this stite again.I give you 1 more chance.

there are 2 things you need to know.

first: you can only use the eliminator axles.the tecate 4 is shorter then the tecate 3.so a plus 4 is only going to be +2 or stock.

second: you must use a rad lock nut there is not enough threads for double nuts.


THANKS TRIZTUNES!!!!!!

[nd4speed]

Check out this post about a guy who found a 84-85 Tecate 3 axle on a Suzuki LT250R:

http://forums.everything2stroke.com/lt250-quadracer/14473-lt250r-hub-help.html