86 250R reed cage options

[dovesprings250R]

All right, I've had my carb modded, my cylinder bored and ported, a new esr pipe, silencer and flange installed. Do any of you have any experience with the esr reed assembly? I think my next upgrade will be a v force or a rad valve or the esr set up. Any thoughts on which may be better for me. Dune and desert riding at lower elevations mostly. The esr set up is not on their website but I hear is real nice using carbon reeds. Any input is appreciated. Thanks....Dove.

[ATCWRENCH]

you might give www.1dirracing.com a look see. i haven't tried them yet but my T3 is getting their reed cage set up as soon as its ridable

[Dammit!]

I can't comment on the esr or v-force setups but, you've seen my R run and I've for a Rad Valve on there if that helps at all. I should have told you to take a spin on it.

[dovesprings250R]

I can't comment on the esr or v-force setups but, you've seen my R run and I've for a Rad Valve on there if that helps at all. I should have told you to take a spin on it.
Yup. Your's is what I'm aiming for at Glamis next year:twisted: That's what I was thinking of running until I heard about the esr. Your's hauls!

[Dammit!]

I'm gonna have to make mine a little faster. I have people gunning for me now. :lol:

I finally got a good set of paddles. When I bought my air compressor the guy threw in a practically brand new set of 20x10 8 paddle haulers. I just have to get some rims for them. No more crappy Sand Sharks! :w00t:

[breastman569]

a lot of guys that i deal with here in a town that do custom work all say to get the rad vavle thats the set up they like the best.

[Yamahondaman]

Rad Valve,Ram Valve....... YUK !!!!
When i get back to work i'll post the Honda part # for the CR Reed Cage........
You Will LIKE IT !! Along with the Paul Turner High Rev Pipe..........
It's The Best Set Up !!! Tested,Been There,Done That !!!

[3leggeddog]

i like my v-force reeds.they are a wicked bolt on.that and the pt high rev,wow,what a combo.i think i had a drag with brapp at tf.i didn;t run many cause my motor is comin apart in the bottom,but i did spank a 450,and i think,maybe brapp,and i ran.

[dovesprings250R]

Can you still get paul turner Hi rev pipes? I went with the Esr, I heard it was very good. The esr reed set up looks similar to a haonda cr set up, billett with or without a reed spacer and carbon reeds. I'm leaning rad valve but considering esr. The guys at Esr say they have tested their set up and a rad valve and say they got better performance from their's. (of course) It looks like aa tricked out Cr unit. Thanks for all the feedback guys.

[willcamach]

dont know too much about this but ive heard the rad valve is limited to your stock carb size. so that may be a problem unless you buy the specific valve for the size carb you are using. i personaly like the v-force but have never seen the esr setup.

[3leggeddog]

you can actually have more choices with a rad valve.they have a rubber boot/sleeve that is easy changed for bigger/smaller carbs.

you can still get pt pipes.i love mine,i have had them both,and both are great.dunno about esr stuff.i have heard alot of good things though!!good luck

[willcamach]

i know they have different boots but i was reffering to the size of the valve opening (bore). and im not even sure if its true or not just repeating what ive heard. lol sorry for the confusion

[3leggeddog]

no confusion bud,i know whats going on!!!,lol,j/k.

good point,but then wouldn't all of them be limited?i like the rad valve's,back in the day thats all there was,boyseen,or fmf.

[willcamach]

im sure its better than stock. and if they had one for my aircooler id snatch one up but for me the only choice was the v-force since the boot on the rad valve is angled, and the v force still uses the stock intake. do they make a rad vlave for the tri-z?

[ChrisD]

I have run the CR cage in the past...it's OKit works fine, but I don't like that it is plastic. I run Rad valves now. On my ice bike, I run a 40.5-42 mm taperbore carb. I then took a modified KX500 Rad valve (estra 2mm of opening on the motor side of the cage) and honed it to match the carb. It is a perfect port job that matches the carb exactly.

Some say that the ESR/ V Force (same thing in my opinion) is better on bottom end for snappy power because the petals need to move less to get the same flow. I can see that, but the Rad Valve is a fully portable, grindable, flow monster. To compensate for the larger reed and longer distance of the reed swing, I use carbon fiber reeds. Very light and very stiff. Snaps back nicely. Very responsive. More for top end, and less restrictive than the stock setup.

[dovesprings250R]

Good info. Esr says theirs is ported already. Just saw some photos of it. I'm leaning that way now. Since no one has tried it yet maybe i can give some good feedback.

[deathman53]

I use a 86-98 cr rad valve and a 1/2 spacer, it fits my 39mm carb perfect.

[Dammit!]

When I was shopping for a new cage I asked about them at a couple different places that carried both the v-force and the rad valve. One of them was Trinity Racing but I can't remember who the other one I was. Anyway, They both said almost the exact same thing. Top end power will be virtually identical but the rad valve will hit a little sooner and the delivery is smoother. Take that for whatever you want. I usually don't put much stock in what these shops tell me but it was so similar that I assume there must be some truth to it.

I installed the rad valve at the same time as a new carb so I can't comment on what kind of difference it made over a stock cage with boyesen reeds. The two of them together made a good difference though.

[atcsteve]

The pryamid cage is one of the best!!

[RideRed250R]

now, withmy tuning... 52 pilot 165 main!! thank god!!! my bikes back into good shape.... but i did install a vforce reed valve, and i have to admitt the VForce 3 with snapless reed design, and no screws.... i have to admit i like it!!! they say and dyno's read a 5% +INCREASE with Vforce reeds ALONE

[Dammit!]

now, withmy tuning... 52 pilot 165 main!! thank god!!! my bikes back into good shape.... but i did install a vforce reed valve, and i have to admitt the VForce 3 with snapless reed design, and no screws.... i have to admit i like it!!! they say and dyno's read a 5% +INCREASE with Vforce reeds ALONE

You better do some WOT plug chops. 165 main for what you're running sounds lean. I'm running a 178 with a smaller carb and a smaller bore. I bet that 52 pilot helped a ton though. :beer

[NOS_350X]

Pryamid will be what my R will have on it when i get it. Duncan racing sells them and ive herd NOTHING but good things about it.

[hrc85250r]

ok, ive tried the v-force, rad valve, ram valve, ported ram valve with stuffer removed, CR, ported CR, stock, ported stock and the ESR reed cages. from experience with all of the cages, i would rate the ESR at #1 and it is definately not the same as a v-force, the ESR has huge petals and it is all billet and the carb side has knife-edged crosshairs to strighten the flow, extremely high quality, second was with the ported-to-hell ram valve with stuffers removed, it cranked, but when i put nitrous to my R, i blew the reeds out the air filter(dont ask me how, idk), and third was the v-force 3, it seems restricting to me, i still run it on my rider, but the motor doesnt seem as free to rev as the others

[ChrisD]

You better do some WOT plug chops. 165 main for what you're running sounds lean. I'm running a 178 with a smaller carb and a smaller bore. I bet that 52 pilot helped a ton though.

Larger bore motors have less velocity, so they use smaller jets. I went from a 190 (warm weather) 200 (cold weather) on my bike to a 175 main in cold weather when I went from the 250 to the 330. I run a 40.5 PWK. It sounds counterintuitive, but it's true.

[Dammit!]

Larger bore motors have less velocity, so they use smaller jets. I went from a 190 (warm weather) 200 (cold weather) on my bike to a 175 main in cold weather when I went from the 250 to the 330. I run a 40.5 PWK. It sounds counterintuitive, but it's true.

Yeah I thought I'd seen someone post that before after I said that. Still. Better safe than sorry.

[RideRed250R]

yah i will do so... right now the bikes BACK down apart cause iam doing the tranny the way i want to... ill be up in pismo the 23-26 with it... so far my trans will be a dune override cut 1-3 HEHEHE means i can down shift to!!! GOD BLESS DMR!!! once thats all said and done (probably weds) ill go street tune it again LOL....no but seriously..
Adam