Possible 87 250R found..(UPDATED) 7.31.06

[petesatc]

Well a buddy and i came accross this.....it looks like a 85R front end and 86R seat but the rear plastics and the shrouds look like 87R !!!!! the rears are not maier as the lines are to sharp and the number plates are the wrong shape but check out the decal on the shrouds!!!!! that's deffo 87R decal......the second pic is a close up shot of the decal from my 87 brochure.......i 'm tring to contact the guy who owns this bike to see what the chassis and engine numbers to confirm what year it is ......but what do you guys think??????????:D :D :D :D :D :D

[firefirefire90]

OMG awesome bro! buy it up or tell the dude to check the tag! But where are all the reflectors?

[petesatc]

i'm going to try and buy if possible....the grab bar looks like it's got reflectors on it:)

[BigGreenMachine]

Looks like he has made her street legal. Dunno about it being an 87 however.

[Billy Golightly]

Interesting...keep us posted on the details

[petesatc]

Interesting...keep us posted on the details
will do Billy:D :D :D

[Blown 331]

About the 87 R's. Now if Honda had to destroy any 86's they have left why would they still produce an 87?

[Dusty]

well thats a mind bender anyhow......nice find i hope you get to buy and confirm what year it is...

[Howdy]

About the 87 R's. Now if Honda had to destroy any 86's they have left why would they still produce an 87?

My theory: 86's were destroyed because they were in the US. The US was the only Country ( to my knowledge ) that banned the selling of them. The 87's ( 250r's / 350x's ) were not available in the US and Honda wasn't banned from selling them in other countries. Since the US was the Main market they stopped production, and only sold the ones that were already made.
Howdy

[slothminx]

Pete, Is that in the UK? Have you seen it in person yet?. If its near me ill be ahppy to try and take a look at it and get some clearer photos :naughty: Nice find! But we need more details and especially the VIN

Will

[Tri-ZNate]

IMO its just a look-a-like. The only thing that even looks like the '87 is the shrouds and decals.

[350x'inNY]

Well a buddy and i came accross this.....it looks like a 85R front end and 86R seat but the rear plastics and the shrouds look like 87R !!!!! the rears are not maier as the lines are to sharp and the number plates are the wrong shape but check out the decal on the shrouds!!!!! that's deffo 87R decal......the second pic is a close up shot of the decal from my 87 brochure.......i 'm tring to contact the guy who owns this bike to see what the chassis and engine numbers to confirm what year it is ......but what do you guys think??????????:D :D :D :D :D :D


I'm still skeptical.... lot's of white paint on it..... (swinger, exhaust, front fork W/ decals there) The decal looks like a CR250R decal doesn't it???

Bruce

[slothminx]

They ahve gone to alot of trouble if it is a copy, has the same shroud decal, the 86 had a blue R the 85 none this has a red one.

[chris200x]

Somewhere out there, there is a whole warehouse of 87 250r's and 350X's. :wondering

Well, a guy can dream can't he? :lol:

Seriously though. Don't you think if there were any out there one of us would of found one by now? ;)

[69HemiGTX]

Well, that is interesting. I won't say for sure that it's an 87, but I won't say it's an 85 or 86 either. :lol: The only way we'll know for sure is if the VIN is decoded. There have been parts from 87s sold before, so it's possible that the fenders and shrouds are genuine. If they have Honda part numbers, they will be the first real copies I have ever seen.

[Dammit!]

My money is on 86. Blue boots, red headlight, 86 seat. Looks like someone just put white plastics on it and a different decal.

[petesatc]

I'm still skeptical.... lot's of white paint on it..... (swinger, exhaust, front fork W/ decals there) The decal looks like a CR250R decal doesn't it???

Bruce
Hey Bruce
nope i checked and the cr250r (all years) don't look like that....all i can say is the decals are real 87R or look real...... and if they were painted fenders you would see some red somewhere as it's not in showroom condition,so on rub marks would show through...

[Lomax]

Looks like a nice machine no matter what year it is, the pic isnt quite clear enough to make a good guess, I looked at the shrouds on the one pictured and compared them to the red Maier ones on my 250R and the lines Look to be a little cleaner but its really hard to say 100%. Like I said, nice looking machine regardless of its year.
-Will

[atcmatt]

I would say it is just a mock up. He has gone with a white theme, as can be seen on the lower fork tubes and the exaust heat sheild.

Matt

[Dusty]

well it would deff. be nice if it was a 87 but the rear plastics dont have the decal R on each side....if i was to guess ide say its a 85/6 with the 87 shrounds and decals

[OldSchoolin86]

VIN................

I think if Santa is real there is a chance for an 87. It just doesn't make sence to me that Honda would have any of them in other places but not here in thier biggest market. Honda bailed on the 87 and went to sport quads.

[edog]

He was real....so the 87 must be real.lol
Looks like a wanabe to me.

[Dirtcrasher]

I hate to upset anyone, but I've seen this go on for at least the 7 years or so now after I stumbled upon 3WW and I don't believe there are ANY 1987's 250R's or 350X's. Look how many new members we have and how many people have found this board in the past few years including some people that were actually involved in the industry. Someone found a seat which could have been a reproduction but where are all the other parts?????? By now EBAY has posted just about any rare ATC item available and we just haven't seen any 1987 parts or a whole machine with a good VIN # anywhere. We have members in other countries and even they have not seen anything. It's great to dream and hope but the 87 250R and 350X do not seem to exist....anymore.

[jason85atc250r]

About the 87 R's. Now if Honda had to destroy any 86's they have left why would they still produce an 87?


they actually cut up alot of 85 atc 250r's also. Burgards cycles in Spring Grove PA got a lot of complete rear ends from a guy in Louisana. he got about 100 of them and at least 150 rear ebnds from 86atc 250s. he got a lot of 85 and 86 350x ones also.

they were at a scrap yard just heeped up in a big pile. he bought them for $150 each. there was alot of plastic also.

[Orangecnty250r]

Something,somewhere, someday will be found...They were built... test ridden... and photographed for the brochure (That wasnt a photoshop mock up!!!)....It took how many years to find the Titanic. We are a society of instant gratification and skeptics....do you know how many people who have no idea how to use a computer are left out there who may be holding a part. Mark my words.... even if its only a single authentic part like a shroud, rear fender, or decal... something will turn up.

[350x'inNY]

There was a guy a few months back that was selling duplicate 87 350X tank wings he made up to match that brouchure. I don't know.... you go look at it and tell us Pete!

Bruce

[Red Rider]

Whether or not Honda ever produced an '87 ATC250R, I don't know, but I really doubt it. As Dirtcrasher said, all these years have gone by and none have ever turned up here or any of our other favorite websites. With regards to this debate, I do know one thing for certain, based on that '87 brochure, that was gonna be one ugly three-wheeler! :eek:

[wolfspider]

go check it out dude, buy it if possible!!! if it is an 87 250r the reason for the mismatched parts would probably come down to availability, pete checked for 87r parts and nearly all were discontinued so you put on what you can get, right!!
i hope this turns out good. :w00t:

[eh_tee_see]

I thought i'd bring up one thing that ive had bottled up for a long time but never had the heart to let it out. That brochure is not accurate. How could you trust a brochure which shows the 87 250sx headlight as being red when it was white? (though the one in the brochure is the large type like the 86 and 7 had) And what are those reflectors doing on every surface of the bike? Every 87 big red and 250sx ive seen never had any of those plastered about them. Also, the 350x for both years it ran had looks exactly similar to the 200x. For example: same decals, same color fenders, frames, headlights, swingarms, seat cover printings-everything. The 87 200x had a red swingarm and awesome looking tank decals and there was no decal on the seat, and the 350x in the pictures had a silver swinger and doofy looking decals and the old 86 graphics on the seat. I don't beleive that is what honda would choose to do for its father and son bikes. Sorry to dissapoint, but that ad simply can not be trusted. Furthermore, here is what I beleive the 87 350x actually looked like.

[wolfspider]

reflectors were standard atc issue on canadian, british and australian hondas and still are on honda atvs.

[petesatc]

Yep like Wolf said reflectors were fitted to ALL markets apart from the US....plus check out this 87R parts manual........does that look the same as the brochure...yes!!

[crackshot]

Why don't you just get the VIN and the year off the tag and be done with this? I personally doubt that is an 87.
You would think if their were any remaining, someone would have posted pics, etc. by now.

[wolfspider]

if you read the original post, pete said he was trying to get in contact with the owner to verify the vin numbers, he only posted this yesterday, give him chance!!!:rolleyes:

[breastman569]

anything ever come of this?

[Dusty]

been wonderin the same thing...was wantin an update on it....

[petesatc]

Sorry guys..... he never answered my emails........

[SpeedBump]

Keep Emailing! LOL! Go visit him. (or give the location so another member can possibly head over...camera in hand.)

[Yamada]

the A of atc on the seat cover is not like a 87's one

[slothminx]

Keep Emailing! LOL! Go visit him. (or give the location so another member can possibly head over...camera in hand.)

Where about was the R? In wales? I too would like know, i know its very unlikely.

[Jez]

The bike is in Japan, hence the difficult communication!

Cheers,
Jez

[85hondaatc125m]

yo thats not even an 87 seat that piece of crap aint no 87
It might not be a 1987, but that sure as he77 isnt a piece of crap, a trike is a trike and no trikes are crap, any more information yet to this day?

[Mike_Ham_250R]

Get a load of the 250R sticker on the shroud. They seem different on that bike than on an 86. I'd actually bet that bike was an 87. Unless those are repro stickers. The rear fenders were the numberplate is kinda throws me off.

[Mike_Ham_250R]

I just thought of something, I know a guy in JAPAN thats into the TRX250R's, maybe he can shed some light.

[hrc85250r]

ya the dude on exriders has some nice bikes in japan...nice guy too.

[InPiEcEs]

The seat is definitely an 86 seat. If you look at the pic of the "87" you will see that the A is closed off. That seat look exactly the same as my 86 seat. Until numbers become known from the machine to verify, I am skeptical that is IS an 87.

[rich250rracer]

I just saw this thread for the first time since I'm new here. Hopefully I can give a little useful info. I worked at Andrews Honda in Salem, Ohio from March of 1987 to July of 1987. While I was there, we had 2 '86 250R's and 1 '85 250R on the showroom floor. They were available for sale at that time, so the order to destroy them must have come down later than everyone thinks. This should make the possibility of an '87 exsistence more likely.

[Nick_R_23]

This should make the possibility of an '87 exsistence more likely.

Every little bit of info helps! I personally dont think this ones an '87, but Im sure somebody somewheres got one of the few lucky trikes to make it past chopping stashed in a barn somewhere and doesnt know that its rare.

-Nick

[petesatc]

Well i found out it is a 86 bike but the guy bought the plastics and decals in 2000 ....here's some more pics......

[69HemiGTX]

I wonder where the radiator shrouds came from, because they are much higher quality than Maier. Look at the edges of the air holes. They are recessed and very crisp like original Honda parts, whereas Maier's are fairly soft and rounded around the openings. The bolt bosses are much larger on the Maier shrouds, too. The white shrouds are definitely injection molded.

http://www.maier-mfg.com/ezcart/products/58002.jpg

[69HemiGTX]

I just noticed another thing. The decal has a white background. Why would you put a decal with a white background on a white shroud? You wouldn't because it makes no sense. Unless they were made by Harlan or someone with the same equipment, I would speculate that they might be genuine Honda. Not even the cheap layered repro decals would have a white background. Other than exact reproduction type decals, only real ones from Honda would have the white background, just like there are red backgrounds for use with red plastic. This is getting interesting.

[petesatc]

I just noticed another thing. The decal has a white background. Why would you put a decal with a white background on a white shroud? You wouldn't because it makes no sense. Unless they were made by Harlan or someone with the same equipment, I would speculate that they might be genuine Honda. Not even the cheap layered repro decals would have a white background. Other than exact reproduction type decals, only real ones from Honda would have the white background, just like there are red backgrounds for use with red plastic. This is getting interesting.
All honda Oem decals have a color background??? check out any 86R decals??they got a red background....

[Darius1502]

Hmmmm...that is interesting about the background

[Jeb]

Am I seeing this correct??? It may be an 86 250r, but that looks like factory plastic. In white? Did he order 87 flavor plastics & decals back in 2000 and actually got them?

If you look at the 3rd pic, up under the rear fender, it looks like you can see the boss in the plastic that the "forward" rear fender support hooks into. I can't remember for sure, but it isn't it true that Maier plastic does not have the hook bosses????

MIGHT be an indication that the rear fender is indeed a factory Honda part.

The shrouds & decals sure look it to me. The white matches perfectly from the decal to the shroud, just like the OEM red ones.

[Darius1502]

Also look at the cut out of the graphic around the wing...exactly perfect.

I don't have reproduction shroud graphics for my R but tell me are they usually cut just right like these?

Also that R is exactly like the '87 pic in the famous '87's Brochure'

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31502&d=1154332929

[Darius1502]

One more thing....that lead me to believe that these are in fact OEM decals.

Notice where the '2' and the '5' are multicolored and the red and blue blend.

There is a slight overlay that actually makes it darker...like a purple. All the OEM decals on my '86 R have that exact type of 'blend'.

Thats one thing that Harlan's decals don't have. So these look like the real deal to me.

Has anyone tried to order some?

[Darius1502]

Someone needs to get a close up of the rear fender to see if there are warning labels molded in there.

Ask the owner and see if he can get a close up. Or if its for sale...someone buy the dang thing!!

[petesatc]

Yes i'm 100% sure these are OEM fenders and decals only reason i haven't posted the pics earlier is i'm still tring to buy this bike or get hold of some plastics...but not had that much luck yet...the guy did infact find these parts on the self of a dealer in Japan....this was back in 2000 but sure there must be more out there...i've got the 87R part numbers in a parts manual.....I sure there's white plastics out there just got to find them:)
only find one more pic.....
Jez help me out dude????you got them all:D

[whipit]

here is another japanese web page about 250r's...doesnt look like this guy knows anything about an 87 either http://www11.ocn.ne.jp/~kaz-zx11/ATC250R.html

[Darius1502]

Wow Pete....this is amazing news!!

I think the world just stopped for a second...yes someone buy up all that '87 stuff before they throw it out!!

[Jeb]

That is awesome, because there has definitely been an 87 seat on ebay. I had noticed it on ebay and I think Jez bought it.

Now there's proof of 87 flavor FACTORY fenders and decals in white! Man, if that trike just had the white head light plastic.

Anyone have any info on the rear fender "ATC250R" decal that's on the very back? Is the one on the bike actually 86? What's the difference between 86 & 87 on that decal except it should have a white background instead of red?

Exciting! :w00t: :beer

[69HemiGTX]

This is too cool. We know that seats have popped up in the past, now an almost full set of plastic and decals. This is kinda like the missing link. :beer

What's odd is that the numberplates on the fenders are solid red instead of having the red R like what is shown in the factory brochures. Did they come like that or did he change them? Did the plastic come with the decals installed? If not, then he must have bought them separately, indicating that there may be more out there.

[Infinity Cycle Supply LLC.]

Well what was the verdic on the whole thing??

[Darius1502]

Well what was the verdic on the whole thing??

Bike is not an 87, but he has some '87 plastic and decals on it.

Look closely at the radiator decals....thats factory baby!

[wanta86r]

anyone could have made those decals, and the pic isnt real clear. looks like an 86 with some maier shrouds and fender that someone got carried away with white paint.

[willcamach]

well if they are 87 plastics he ruined them with those gay pink mud flaps. And while finding an 87 250r would be awsome imo the 87 with its white plastics, blue seat, and red accents was probably the ugliest 250r of all anyway. but it would be nice to have since its so rare.

[69HemiGTX]

anyone could have made those decals, and the pic isnt real clear. looks like an 86 with some maier shrouds and fender that someone got carried away with white paint.

True. But the evidence I have highlighted here suggests otherwise. Take a look and actually take time to decide whether or not they are reproduction or geniune parts. I firmly believe these are real Honda parts, not reproductions. We know the seats exist, and here we finally have proof that plastic and decals were produced, albeit in very small numbers.

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL546/2314539/4590413/173176374.jpg
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL546/2314539/4590413/173176364.jpg

[wanta86r]

that 250r decal is not factory. it appears to be photoshopped the 250r looks very odd. the honda decal could be oem, but the 250r just isnt right. i bet the fenders were painted. where is the 87 seat, and the white headlight garnish and the red fork boots. there is alot of white painted items on the bike which leads me to believe the plastics are painted. the white all seems to match real well. plastic can be painted if prepped correctly. i would love to see an 87 as much as anyone, but this is drfinitely not it

[Troll 2]

I wonder if the 87' rear fender number plate comes with the "R" or red inserts?
http://www.bmi.net/magoos/my87r2.jpg

[atcsteve]

I know a computer geek who can make any decals he wants,look close,the 250r just isnt right.If it really was an 87,he should know everything about it,and wouldnt just put those pics out there for everyone,unless he was selling it for a premium price!!

[Aussieduner]

True. But the evidence I have highlighted here suggests otherwise. Take a look and actually take time to decide whether or not they are reproduction or geniune parts. I firmly believe these are real Honda parts, not reproductions. We know the seats exist, and here we finally have proof that plastic and decals were produced, albeit in very small numbers.

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL546/2314539/4590413/173176374.jpg
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL546/2314539/4590413/173176364.jpg

I agree those are factory fenders and shrouds....not Maier.

Aussie

[69HemiGTX]

I hope you didn't think I meant that the whole thing was an 87 Wanta86R. That's not what I'm saying at all. I know it's an 86, but the plastic and decals (I believe) are left-over stock 87 parts. To quote Pete:


Well I found out it is a 86 bike but the guy bought the plastics and decals in 2000

The guy did in fact find these parts on the shelf of a dealer in Japan

The part numbers for all of the specific 87 parts exist, so why wouldn't there possibly be some actual parts? And what better place to find some than in Japan? At this point, we kinda have to believe this is true. As for painting the fenders, that seems like a lot of trouble to go through when white Maiers are available for cheap. What we need is for Pete to get some detailed, high resolution pics so we can determine once-and-for-all if these are real or not.

[Darius1502]

that 250r decal is not factory. it appears to be photoshopped the 250r looks very odd. the honda decal could be oem, but the 250r just isnt right. i bet the fenders were painted. where is the 87 seat, and the white headlight garnish and the red fork boots. there is alot of white painted items on the bike which leads me to believe the plastics are painted. the white all seems to match real well. plastic can be painted if prepped correctly. i would love to see an 87 as much as anyone, but this is drfinitely not it

Not to question you but take a look at the brochure for the '87 R and the smae of the R. It does not look odd...thats what the '87 "R" lettering looked like.

Look real close at the shroud decal...real close its an odd looking R because he never saw it in production.

True the plastic may be painted...and there are alot of painted parts.

Lets be critical BUT positive....we all hope its an '87 but thanks for making us stay subjective!

[petesatc]

Well this is the other reason i didn't post the pics....because of the doubter's!!!!!!
But don't care what anyone says THESE ARE OEM Fenders NOT painted (the guy sent me pic where the sun shines through the plastic ..can't find it right now) with real decals.........all the 87R numbers are still on the honda system here in the UK... and only a matter of time before i find some ...

[wolfspider]

that 250r decal is not factory. it appears to be photoshopped the 250r looks very odd. the honda decal could be oem, but the 250r just isnt right. i bet the fenders were painted. where is the 87 seat, and the white headlight garnish and the red fork boots. there is alot of white painted items on the bike which leads me to believe the plastics are painted. the white all seems to match real well. plastic can be painted if prepped correctly. i would love to see an 87 as much as anyone, but this is drfinitely not it

if you look at these parts diagram pictures from my 250r parts manual, you`ll see that the 87 r decals were a different shape from the 86.
i`m positive those are 87 decals and factory fenders.:w00t:
nice find pete.
steve

[wanta250r]

So this is a 86 250r with factory 87 rear plastics and shrouds with decals? Is this correct?

[petesatc]

So this is a 86 250r with factory 87 rear plastics and shrouds with decals? Is this correct?
Yep that is correct:)

[petesatc]

Hmmm forgot to say that i have already found a load of 87R parts ....handle bars,grab bars,chain sliders ,cylinder etc......the parts are different to 85 or 86R ....(the bars have a different bend etc)
just got to find the plastics!!!!!!!

[Jez]

Hi Pete,

Sorry I've not posted on this before. I've been off-line! I'll upload the pictures you asked for in a bit. I've just got to convert them to jpeg, as the site won't let me upload them in bitmap format :wondering

To those people who are suggesting that the guy simply painted factory fenders white, take another look at the second picture of the three posted by Pete a page or so back. It's the one with the front view! You can actually see the decals through the plastic of the tank shrouds! There's no way you'd be able to do that if they were painted.

Also, why stop at just painting the shrouds and rear plastic? Why not finish the job and do the headlight shell and front fender? For me, these are the real deal!

Cheers,
Jez

[Infinity Cycle Supply LLC.]

It is getting angry in here

[Teeksoffroad]

I'd like to hear YTMboy's opinion on this.

[Jez]

It is getting angry in here


LOL. It's all good :D

[ba7raini]

i wish i could make my r street legal :P

[ceaserthethird]

I agree The Fender's are - Authentic Honda Parts -

[69HemiGTX]

if you look at these parts diagram pictures from my 250r parts manual, you`ll see that the 87 r decals were a different shape from the 86.


Thank you for posting the diagrams. Now maybe some nay-sayers will start to have some faith. :beer


To those people who are suggesting that the guy simply painted factory fenders white, take another look at the second picture of the three posted by Pete a page or so back. It's the one with the front view! You can actually see the decals through the plastic of the tank shrouds! There's no way you'd be able to do that if they were painted.

Wow. :cool: I totally overlooked that. Those are the real deal, y'all. It's impossible for light to pass through painted plastic. This just keeps getting better and better.

[Orangecnty250r]

That is awesome.....Just awesome!!!!!!

[Billy Golightly]

Veeeeerrrrrrry interesting!

[Darius1502]

Hmmm forgot to say that i have already found a load of 87R parts ....handle bars,grab bars,chain sliders ,cylinder etc......the parts are different to 85 or 86R ....(the bars have a different bend etc)
just got to find the plastics!!!!!!!

This is very cool...Pete...I can't wait to see what you have!!

Keep up the good work!!

[Darius1502]

That is awesome.....Just awesome!!!!!!

You took the words right out of my mouth brother!

[Darius1502]

An excellent point was made about the sun shining through the plastic. Look at the rad. shrouds in this pic:

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31503&d=1154332929

Oh Boy...I bet Pete'sATC really has some incredible stuff to show us one of these days!!

I can't wait! Keep me on your PM list Pete!

I believe, I believe!!

[petesatc]

Ok Darius when i get home from work tonight i'll post up some pics of the 87R parts i have already found.....

[Aussieduner]

Ok Darius when i get home from work tonight i'll post up some pics of the 87R parts i have already found.....

Im really interested to see the parts Pete this is a great thread !

Aussie

[Troll 2]

Bummer that theres ten holes drilled in the rear fender for the mud-flaps and light wiring loom:wondering

[scooterroo]

i talked to my local honda guy today when i stopped up to get some plugs and oil and some other stuff, and started a conversation with him about the 250r, he has been working at this dealership since he was 17, basically the early 80's. he said he had a few 86's on his floor and he said they didnt destroy the ones they had. they eventually sold them off. i asked him about the 87 model and he said that yes, infact there was a 1987 model made, not sold in the usa, not sure of the number of machines made, but he said they were in fact made. and he says he has seen one in person when he was overseas back in the late 80's. he said it wasnt all that much different from the 85-86 model, basically different colored plastic. now i dont know if he was just blowing smoke out his pipe hole or what, but that was coming from a honda dealer himself. my beliefs are they are out there, but only a few. so with all this information we are getting bout the 87 250r, now what does everyone say is the rarest trike made? it has to be the 87 r, its like loch ness monster or sasquatch.

[wanta86r]

you guys are starting to turn me into a believer. this is really getting interesting, wish i could find some of this stuff. sorry for being a doubter

[Tri-ZNate]

now we just need to find some '87 350x parts and both myths can be set true

[Darius1502]

Pete...I can't wait...

Best of luck on your quest!! Keep at it!!!

YOU ARE MAKING HISTORY FOR US TRIKERS HERE!!

[torker]

Hi there guys:

I know this is my first post but I've been on the site for some time now.

The 87's are alive. As I have intensify my search for the elusive 86 TRI-Z or 250R (elusive in the island anyway) I have posted wanted ads all over. I recieved a call from a guy with a 350x claiming to be an 87, camera on hand I went to see the machine and to my surprise IT IS AN 87!!!!!! This machine its been modified so it does not have the stock seat cover but the white, stock (but very beat-up and broken) plastics and grafics along with the frame stickers saying it was built 11/86 and 1987 model year!!!. It has an aftermarket, oversize plastic gas tank, 4" over swing arm, oversize rear rotor and carb which he claims its from a 4 wheeler, White Bross exhaust, high comp. Wiseco piston and maybe a few other goodies. This alone was enough for me to write this and let you guys know. There is nothing to say about its background as he bought it 5 years ago just wanting an atv and does not know anything about its past owner(s).

Now for the sad stuff. Camera fell and broke in pieces, with all 18 photos of the machine inside and no way of retrieving them (it was not mine, so you all know what that means). I will try to go back for sure and ask to get some more, its a 2 hour trip, but very worth the trip and effort. I maybe running out of time. This is vital info for all of us 3 wheel freaks. I apologise for my carelesness but I will try my best to take the trip to the mountains again and try and get this for all of us this weekend, hopefully he will still have the 350x. It's for sale for $2,200.
Its pretty decent for the abuse its has endure (very hard trail and mountain riding) with not a lot of attention or good care. I guess he does not know what he has, or maybe he does, if the price is any indication.

I'll try to get this for all of us. Again SORRY.

TORKER.

[petesatc]

Here we go Darius these are the handle bars the one is nos 86R the other the nos 87R bars.......the 87 bars were sealed in the bag when i got them so there's no doubt what they are....
as you can see the 87 bars are about 1/2 inch longer than the 86 they also have a different bend......
i just got in and i'm wacked so will post more 87 parts tomorrow:)

[250r'en +TCB]

Why did you take them out of the bag!?!?!?!?!

[Tri-ZNate]

lol and your touching them too! :lol:

[Darius1502]

Wow...more pics and more goodies!!

I am now solidly convinced that those are '87 graphics. Just that alone is an incredible find.

Gentlemen...we stand on the brink of a brave new world. Stand firm for reality has now shifted!

[Darius1502]

Lets see more goodies!

[petesatc]

Here we go D some more parts.......
first one is a chain slider as you can see the 87R has a different shape at the front.....and it's black not green.....
the second is a grab bar can't find a 86 at the moment so not sure if has a different bend......
i'll find some more tomorrow:)))

[chris200x]

This is cool indeed. But I was just curious as to if these other parts are not the same things as the 87 TRX parts?

[petesatc]

This is cool indeed. But I was just curious as to if these other parts are not the same things as the 87 TRX parts?
the chain slider was used on the TRX the rest of them are ATC only!!!!

[Chevy200s]

wow, this is too cool. I always thought there might be a few 87s out there. nice job finding so many parts pete, and good luck finding more in the future!

[Aussieduner]

Saw this 87 look-a-like on ebay,white Maier plastic,,red fork boots,"R" decals on the rear fender etc

Listing 110017331869

Aussie

[Russell 350X]

Looks pretty close to a 87, but its definetly not.

[Aussieduner]

Looks pretty close to a 87, but its definetly not.

He didnt try to pass it off as an 87 its listed as an 85 but he has done a pretty good job,the shroud decals could be a little straighter but its ok.

Aussie

[Lomax]

The white was a cleen look but I never understood the red tank, I thought it was a little out of place.

[petesatc]

Here's another 87R part different from 86(on left)......it's the carb insulator as you can see it's a bit longer (about 5mm) and slightly different angle........
the part i would really like to find is the carb tube to airbox (see pic)look at the blue arrows these are totally different to 85/86 part in the next pic.
part#20 is called 'resonator'
it seems to be the only big difference i can find in the parts book between 85/86

[deathman53]

the carb boot seems the be listed a 87-89 trx250r, maybe honda added the resonator as they did on 87 trx250r also. I bet more stuff has common to do with the trx250r, dumb question, What rod did it use also, 85-86 250r or 87-89 250r?

[Aussieduner]

Here's another 87R part different from 86(on left)......it's the carb insulator as you can see it's a bit longer (about 5mm) and slightly different angle........
the part i would really like to find is the carb tube to airbox (see pic)look at the blue arrows these are totally different to 85/86 part in the next pic.
part#20 is called 'resonator'
it seems to be the only big difference i can find in the parts book between 85/86


Hey Pete if you collect all the parts you will be able to build a brand new 87..LOL now that would be awesome :w00t:

Aussie

[petesatc]

the carb boot seems the be listed a 87-89 trx250r, maybe honda added the resonator as they did on 87 trx250r also. I bet more stuff has common to do with the trx250r, dumb question, What rod did it use also, 85-86 250r or 87-89 250r?
The rod is Ha2-770 so its TRX250R Long rod........

[200Xjapan]

Dang!! This is my first time to see this thread. I am the guy in Japan with the TRX250R.

I just found out a guy on the main island supposedly has an '87 250R but I will not be able to verify this until I visit Tokyo later this year. Don't worry, I will snap lots of pics. He supposedly also has a full tune '86 200X that was built by Mugen.

Did you find this trike on Yahoo Auction Japan? I noticed the sign in the background were in Japanese.

[smackkk]

Man I wish I wasn't stuck in Arkansas right now. You see these posts on here from England and Japan and you realize just how big the world really is and how much you are missing out on in your small part of the world. I most likely will never make it out of the U.S.A. to see the rest of the world but it's great to know similar people share similar intersests. Good luck with your trike and the quest for the 1987 ATC250R , 350X'S, 200X'S. I would love to see that MUGEN trike......

[badasskfx]

looks like home made fenders. two colors atached to each other. like home made extentions.

[Darius1502]

I most likely will never make it out of the U.S.A. to see the rest of the world

Don't say that! I am sure you will. Henry Ford said, "If you think you can or you think you can't you are right".

I am so excited about this. The more I look at these tank shrouds the more I know they are REAL.

200XJapan, boy I hope you lead turns out to be true! I think the place where aa real '87 might actually exists would be Japan.

Even if its the one that was used in the Brochure. Someone should try to figure out what happened to that one.

After we find the '87 R we need to find the '87 350X!

I know we will find it...just too many sightings!

[Dammit!]

Dang!! This is my first time to see this thread. I am the guy in Japan with the TRX250R.

I just found out a guy on the main island supposedly has an '87 250R but I will not be able to verify this until I visit Tokyo later this year. Don't worry, I will snap lots of pics. He supposedly also has a full tune '86 200X that was built by Mugen.

Did you find this trike on Yahoo Auction Japan? I noticed the sign in the background were in Japanese.


That is absolutely 100% positively an OEM white shroud on there. Hmmm... :eek: :drool:

[Aussieduner]

Man I wish I wasn't stuck in Arkansas right now. You see these posts on here from England and Japan and you realize just how big the world really is and how much you are missing out on in your small part of the world. I most likely will never make it out of the U.S.A. to see the rest of the world but it's great to know similar people share similar intersests. Good luck with your trike and the quest for the 1987 ATC250R , 350X'S, 200X'S. I would love to see that MUGEN trike......

Dont forget Australia its as big as the US ! but we only have 25 million people...LOL


Aussie

[smackkk]

And Australia .... "THROW ANOTHER SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE" g' day mate ... so how is winter down there ? I know it is winter now and Krmas in in the summer .... all the hottiees on the beach on krmas day ... gotta love it ...?!

[firefirefire90]

i think we have 25 million people in California...





Hope that 87 is true!

[Levithan]

More pics!!!!!

[chris200x]

You guys want some proof? Go back and read dean kirstens 1st post in his thread long live 3wheeling magazine. Here's a quote:


Up to about 1988, I can safely say that I rode nearly every production ATV that was produced up to that time, and many prototypes that never were built for production. I rode the Honda ATC200R, Honda ATC450R and many other "secret" projects. The 1987 ATC250R with white plastic? Yup, that one too.


Maybe he can provide us a pic or two or some proof that can finally put this mystery to rest.

[Darius1502]

You guys want some proof? Go back and read dean kirstens 1st post in his thread long live 3wheeling magazine. Here's a quote:



Maybe he can provide us a pic or two or some proof that can finally put this mystery to rest.


I was just going to post this too! I saw it today.

Someone needs to PM him and get some more info. I believe him 100% and man would it be nice to learn more about it.

I think I'll PM him!

[Darius1502]

I sent this to Dean:

Dean,

Just wanted to say hello and say that as a young man in the early to mid 80's I enjoyed your magazine and read your editorials.

Early in your post at 3 wheeler world you said something about the '87 250R:

remember your great editorials. So really the '87 did exist?

Your quote:

"Up to about 1988, I can safely say that I rode nearly every production ATV that was produced up to that time, and many prototypes that never were built for production. I rode the Honda ATC200R, Honda ATC450R and many other "secret" projects. The 1987 ATC250R with white plastic? Yup, that one too."



Can you tell me anything else about the '87 R and what you thought about it. When did you ride it? Was this right before the consent decree?

I know it was a long time ago...but anything you can remember would awesome! We have all been foaming at the mouth trying to even find proof that they were real.

Now right under our nose we have an esteemed member who not only saw one...but RODE one!

Oh do tell me something, Dean..please!!

Thanks for the memories through the years!

[chris200x]

Geez Darius, I just noticed that you put that same quote in his thread... and here I thought I discovered something alot of memebers overlooked.;)

I sure hope he can help, but I too have no reason not to believe him.

[Orangecnty250r]

I totally beleive him also!!! I have the January 1987 3 and 4 wheeler action mag which highlights the 87 KXT 250 Tecate as "THE SURVIVOR"

If refers to the ATC 250r Here is how the first paragragh reads.



If you want a high performance three wheeler with an official 1987 pre-fix, this is it gang. In fact Kawasaki's KXT250-B2 is the lone two-stroke three-wheeled survivor of the inane goverment muddling of this past season. Gone indefinetly is Yamaha's Tri Z, "But honda hints that there may be a resurrection of the popular atc250r in 88". For 87 however (with the exception of the 86 tri z's and atc 250r 's on the dealers' floors) the Tecate is your only choice in the high perfoomance three wheeler category.

So once again this was January 87, At this point in time there was still some glimmer of hope. What month in 87 did they start pulling them off the floor. I wonder what kind of hints honda was throwing out of the 88 atc250r before they really threw in the towel??

[Billy Golightly]

ever since Dean had said he seen and rode an 87 250R I knew they were out there. It was just a matter of finding them. This does however still leave the 87 350X for us to wonder about...

[Darius1502]

ever since Dean had said he seen and rode an 87 250R I knew they were out there. It was just a matter of finding them. This does however still leave the 87 350X for us to wonder about...

I know they must be somewhere....but where? Geez...are we all that blind?

I don't think they were ever sold in '87. I think probably sometime in the Fall of '86 there were some tests, studio photos, and other pre-production models. I bet there were only a handful of them.

If someone knows Japanese maybe they could start contacting Honda in Japan and start calling, calling, calling. Its a possibility.

OC, I bet you would love to have an '87 R in your collection. As good as you are at finding OEM parts...maybe this can become part of your questions when you call dealers, suppliers, etc.

Pretty cool stuff!

[Darius1502]

So once again this was January 87, At this point in time there was still some glimmer of hope. What month in 87 did they start pulling them off the floor. I wonder what kind of hints honda was throwing out of the 88 atc250r before they really threw in the towel??

Again, I don't think any were on the showroom floor in the US. Can any dealers or employees of dealers tell me if any hit the showroom?

I bet they did in Canada and other countries.

[scooterroo]

maybe not 87 r's or tri-z's but the tecate was on the showroom floors in 87, i remember drooling over it and wanting to off my ride back then to get one. a place called alpin haus was the only place around me to buy kawi's back in the day, and they had both the t3 and the t4 sitting on his floor side by side. i was so jealous, me and my brother used to skip school and walk over there at least once a week just to see what was what. well now alpin haus is no longer a kawi dealer, they deal mostly in ski equipment, campers, rv's, and seadoos now. oh yeah they sell them bombardiers now too. god i miss the good ole days!!!

[Darius1502]

Here is Dean's response:

As far as I can remember, I did ride the '87 ATC250R. It was purchased by an ATC rider/racer, who traveled across the U.S. boarder into Canada and bought it for his own use, and then brought it back into the States. We hooked up with him, and that's how I rode that particular ATC. As I recall, it was basically the same as the '86, but with different plastic. I don't have a clue to how many were built by Honda.

[fordnut79@hotma]

Aliens/250r's 1987 do exist; i was probed,still got a keyed ignition up my arseeeeeeeee

[Billy Golightly]

TOTALLY Forgot about this thread! Wow. Need to get those pictures and a link to this thread on the '87s article stat.