SX-ext. hubs-pics !!!!

[als250]

Just put my hub extenders(3") on before we went to Badlands Fri. I like 'em ! Took alittle getting used to,clipped a couple trees :shock: in woods,nothing major. Liked the way it rode, felt good, doesn't donut as easy, but off camber hills were easier. Kept having to tighten lugs (4 times), so I added lock nuts after we got home, should take care of that. So what do ya think ? I think it's pretty cocky 8) lookin' !!!!

Al

@Howdy, I'm gonna be needing those mud flaps! :twisted Ended up knocking studs out of both hubs off my trike, and using them.(if you remember my predicament-ebay auction) The one that did come with set, didn't fit my trike. Talked to him again and he said he would send me both hubs "for" my trike.(we'll see,so not sure yet if I'll be needing any from you) Any idea what the other hub fits ? (it has same bolt pattern, but o.d. and i.d. of splined end is bigger. Just wondering.

[jeswinehart]

i think it looks great, got that wide tract look going for sure.

john

[ATCRYDER]

I like em :)

[mudfreak99]

thoughs are cool but I wonder how harsh it is on the axel when riding real rough and jumping...

[als250]

@-m.f.99- Was concerned about that also :? ,but as you probably know, my sx is shaft drive. The axle is completely contained, w/ bearings on either side of the final drive and also a bearing on each end of axle that hub rides in. Still not unbendable, from what I hear, but it's supported very well, unlike chain drive whereas only support is at bearing carrier, axle actually takes all the abuse (would be leery of putting hub ext. on these, just buy extended axle). That was my thinking anyhow and they held up real well at Badlands! :twisted: (didn't hold back either, rode hard like I normally would, even got small air,2-3 ft.! Thats more than the stock rear shock can take anyway. Don't have 350x shock on yet. ;)

@-John,thanks,can't wait to see ya at TF03. You bringing big red also, or just the new and improved 350?? X?? (couldn't remember if you bored ??)Man I can't wait !!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

@-Rob, thanks to you also! Are you going to TF03? Can't remember if I saw a reply from you on "sticky" (It's hell to get old,1st thing to go is the mind!) :-P :-P :-P

[ATCRYDER]

Al brings up a interesting point about the shaft drive.....I personally wouldnt run hub spacers on anything, but if I did, theyd be uncer 2 inches. Although, now, it makes sence to why running them on a shaft machine like the SX wouldnt be too bad for it at all.

[Tri-Z dude]

what about the DX
would they work on that
Ben

[ATCRYDER]

I dont know about the bolt pattern on the DX but I highly doubt youll find hub extenders for it. Als250 was lucky to find them for his SX at all.

[Kilborg]

that looks almost as wide as my 250r is....bet it helps the 250sx since its a pretty narrow machine. I clipped an old rotten log on the side of the trail one time on the 250r as i was coming sideways out of a corner..The log exploded and sent me and the machine for a little cartwheel action, it was good fun. your 250sx looks a little funky with the brake drum in plain sight, but otherwise is a huge improvement. the sx was way too narrow in my opinion (for my kind of riding).

[jeswinehart]

als250,,, probbly big red, i can crash at low speed just as well as high speed ! but then again,,, we shall see.

nice to look over your pics at badlands. gotten to know that place like the back of my hand. planning on a march ride with nuttyberserzco (doug) there,,, his wife don't know it yet but i am gonna abduct him and we are gonna ride badlands !

john

[Tri-Z dude]

i got a question
will ya help me look for some wheel spacers for my DX
ive been lookin for about a month now
Ben

[Joel85350X]

@ Al, nice look you got going on there. The brake does look a little odd, but hey, it has to be a lot more stable. Can't wait to ride with you again at TF03.

@John, you need to let us know when you are going to be at the badlands in march. The new and improved X should be rolling by then, so I might slip down and ride with you. I only live 12 miutes from there. It is actually about 18 minutes on the way home. Always in a hurry going there...for some reason.

[mudfreak99]

I wonder how well these would help in straight line dirt drags 9thats what I am building my bike for) I would rather get an extended axel but can't find any for my 200x. (85) but of course I will be doing a little casual trail ridng with the bike, but ic an take these off when I switch out my front ends and rear shock...

[als250]

@ Joel, Thanks !! As..for..the... bbrake..........dddrum......................iwaski ndathinkingicouldsendittoyouforoneofthoseA-1 8) polishjobs!!!! ;) J/K I'll either paint it or might try to polish it myself !! You may have inspired me, Joel. That was the only thing I didn't like about it either.

@ John, Let us know date for March ride (pm/e-mail/post). Always ready to go to Badlands! If at all possible me and buddy, Kelly (formerly 200x,now 300ex :oops: ) will meet ya there!!

@ MF99, My sx seems to get more traction w/ ext. (is this possible or all in my head,anybody?) If that helps at all.

Al

[Dirtcrasher]

Heck ya, they look great. Amazing how we get so use to the width of our machines that a few inches screws us up! The SX has two bearings on each outer side so it's plenty strong as far as that area goes. I would think the studs would be the only weak point. Are those after market or home made? The rim sits on a raised lip machined into the hub which keeps it in the center, the bolts keep it against the hub. As for loosening, maybe there's too much slop in the bolt holes or no lips for the extenders to mate to the hub or to the rim. As far as the DX hub extender question, all you need is a buddy with access to a lathe and some pieces of aluminum. Piece of cake except any real machine shop wants blueprints and 50$ an hour!

[als250]

@D.c., Thanks, so true about the width!! :shock: That was my thoughts too about studs being weak link in set-up,hence question at bottom. I believe they're aftermarket (got em off e-bay), they have the raised lip on one end at each stud hole.

@J.B., 46" out to out w/22x11x8 MudBusters!! Definitely too narrow stock. Much better now! Hey,watch them logs, they'll throw ya every time!! :-P

@John,MIGHT NOT BRING THE "X"??? :? Hell, I thought you'd at least bring that piece of work so all us non-350X owners could droooooooool !!!

@ANYBODY, Question:What grade bolts should I use? I bought grade 5 because guy at parts store said grade 8 while, stronger, is also more brittle? Would snap quicker, where grade 5 would "flex" more? Does this make sense or was he just trying to sell me the 5's because he didn't have them in 8 ?

Thanks,Al

[jeswinehart]

if i bring the x i am hanging with joel,,, i am sure he ain't ready to get his trike all muddied up right away,,, unless he starts following you around als250 (lmao !) was looking at that pic of joel the last time he followed you - wow !

grade 5 ? grade 8 ? joel, that one is for you.

john

[Dirtcrasher]

Grade 5 is more than enough strength. Neither one if attatched properly will snap. Your saying what the hell does that mean. In your case if it is merely longer bolts on hollow shafts used as extenders then there is just too much flex between the four fastners. Or is it a complete hub with mating flanges? Same thing happens when 4x4's use that block to raise the steering link on there front end. It works great for a while but the 5" long bolts are trying to hold all that torque between the two mating pieces which steer the vehicle.They flex and come loose. I'd like to see how those are made if you have any more problems keeping them tight. Good luck!

[Joel85350X]

@ John: Thanks John, the fact that you threw this ball into my court is a compliment to me.

You are right, I will be keeping the X free from most mud, however, with the new 1986 seat and plastics that I scored, I also got all of the fasteners and brackets. This means that I can swap from 1986 plastics to 1985 stock plastics which are in ok shape in about 1.7 minutes. All I have to do is unbolt the front fender, bolt the other one on, and the rears are a simple swap. I really like the ability to change this quick for different riding conditions.

@ Al: DC was right. The grade 5 should hold fine. The real difference between grade 5 and 8 bolts is the holding capability along the shaft of the bolt. Grade 5 are capable of holding about 19,200 lbs, whereas grade 8 hold about 24,000 lbs, for a 1/2" bolt.

The hardware store guy was not jerking your chain when he said that the grade 5 would flex more, because that is true. The grade 8 are harder, and thus most stiff, and thus more brittle. Most of this comes from the heat treating.

The idea is that you don't need near that much holding power, so either one will work. What you need is a bolt with a high shear strength. If one of your bolts is going to break, it won't be becasue the bolt was loaded so much that it breaks tensionally, but instead it will be because the bolt has exceeded it's shear stress capability in one way or another.

Basically, you should be fine on grade 5, but jumping to grade 8 isn't going to help you out any. It is merely the design of the hub extender that will make the bolts fail, if they ever did.

The long bolts are going to hurt you. I am assuming by what you have said that the bolcks use 4 bolts that run all the way from hub to rim. The best hub extension designs have in fact 8 holes in them, countersunk in opposite directions. For instance, you would line up the extension to the stock hub and fasteners and bolt it on that way, just like a stock rim. This would require about a 2"-2.5" countersink in the holes. Then, the other holes located 45 degrees away polarly would be countersunk from the hub-side so you could install a stock hub bolt from the back-side-out to bolt the rim on. By doing this you have taken all of the shear stress out of the long, lankey bolts, and introduced it all to the blocks themselves.

The block will be more than capable of handling anything you do on an SX that doesn't kill you, and this goes for the 16 stock hub bolts that would be required as well.

If anyone is interested, my buddy Vince is going to build a custom set of spacers for TORO1968's brother, Stephen. They are going on his raptor, and this is the design that he is using. I can get some digital pics and post them to explain it all visually.

[Jordan]

Just for clarification, I'm TORO1968 but not on this message board. That's what I post under on exriders.com. :-D On this message board I'm just "Jordan", used to be Jordan83ATC200.

That might clear up some confusion. 8)

-Jordan

[toyota200x]

What type of performance stuff do you have on your SX? I have a '85 too but I can't seem to get it to do wheelies that well. DO you have 200x front forks? Tell me what you know. Thanks
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[Dirtcrasher]

I think it must be more your technique than performance. My SX pops up with no trouble, and I don't have to power shift to do wheelies. Just get cruising along in third because 1st is so slow that 2nd is really 1st, then pull back lean back as you goose it! Keep your foot near the rear brake to keep it from flipping. Performance, you can add a pipe and change jetting, I'm sure a fresh top end would help, I don't know if you can put a big bore kit on it but the suspension couldn't handle it and I can't find a bolt on after market shock either. Tire diameter can be changed. I wonder if back in 85 they had more performance mods?? A fresh stock 250sx is a nice machine but will never be an R or an X. But they'll never die either - I beat the absolute piss outta my SX.

[als250]

@Joel, I understand concept you're explaining(does seem like best way to go),and sounds like you understand what I got.So I need to know which bolts have highest SHEAR strength.(Stainless??) :shock:

@D.C.,
. But they'll never die either - I beat the absolute piss outta my SX. HERE,HERE!!!! :twisted:

@T.200x, yes that's a 200x frt. end. I like it better, 1:lighter 2:hyd.disc 3:chrome frt. rim 4: Looks " KILLER!!! "
also has 350x handlebars,ims plastic tank,22" mud busters,3" hub ext. and soon to be added 350x rear shock!! (If it ever warms up abit, no heat in garage.Been averaging about..................10-15 degrees!!)
Motor and carb=stock (if it ain't broke, don't fix it !!)LOL :D Like D.C. said, it'll never be a 350x or 250r! But still a damn good trike!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

Thanks,Al

p.s. @T.220x, Try wheelie like this:

[als250]

Here's some pics of extenders. Hell, anybody with access to machine shop could make 'em pretty easy! :-D

Al

[als250]

Here's some with Carlisle Trail Pros(SUCK) Trails must be the only thing they're good for! We got 6" of snow earlier in week,so I slapped the trail pros on to see how they would do. Never spun so much in my life. Thurs. and Fri. almost 50,melted all snow quickly. Went riding Fri. afternoon,fields are MMMUUUUDDDDDYYY, Trail pros didn't perform any better than in snow. First order of business when I got home: Put " MUD-BUSTERS " back on!! The trail pros look good,(wider,hides more of the brake drum and on chrome rims)but the "MUD-BUSTERS" RIP!!!!


Al

[plkmonster2]

ahhh! trail pros! yep, they are only good for DRY trails. i have one on my 110, on the front, and if you go through thick mud, they clog up and jam the wheel. i also hate how, like you said, they slip in snow. my 110 won't turn worth beans on snow.

[als250]

i got a question
will ya help me look for some wheel spacers for my DX
ive been lookin for about a month now
Ben

Ben, just got catalog from www.jlatvproducts.com . They have spacers for your DX. Alot of other cool things at good prices, too!

Al

[bbechtel16]

als250: So those are the wheel spacers that are going on eBay? I've been eyeing them myself for my SX. So all around they rule? Any bad points other than fitting through tight spaces? So I guess with such an improvement with the 3" spacers and the stress they put on stuff and things I shouldn't waste my time with the 5" version?

I got a 350X front end on my SX, those X front ends are nice, lifts the front for better cornering and such. Also, uses that sexy tire/wheel, and the disc brake (locks up for me super easy and just slides so it doesn't do much good but it doesn't matter because you can say you have front disc).

Oh and about a beefy piston, I bought a piston from powroll (www.powroll.com). Go to their Honda garage sale and you can get it for only $25 plus S&H. It is a 2mm overbore which i calculated the new displacement to be 260cc. The compression ratio is also raised from 9.0 to 10.5. If you're looking for a cam www.webcamshafts.com has 2 for the SX. I want one of those but can't afford it right now.

[als250]

bbechtel16- Yes the spacers came off of e-bay. I really like them. Only downside is learning the width of trike again! :shock: Mine are 3",with 5" would be even more stable(I think it could take it ) but bolts would be a big factor! I would think about drilling out hubs, spacers and rims to accomodate 7/16" or 1/2"(or metric equiv.?) bolts. A little hint: tack weld head of bolts to back of hubs(on brake side), otherwise pain in the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro to tighten down.
Thanks for the links! I'll have to check them out! Let me know what you end up doing.

Al