switched from a 85 to a 86 250r frame, what a difference

[deathman53]

I snapped my 85 atc frame and yesterday swapped it to a 86 frame, its like a new bike, I didn't change anything except the frame, the front wheel is more planted, jumps better, didn't expeirence the full difference yet, bacause I'm still using 86 trx 250r peg mounts, they will be changed to 86 atc mounts(I have roll design pegs and they fit in the 86 atc and 86/87 trx's), that should drop the peg height about 1 1/2 inches, for a better ride. never realized how 1/2 degree of camber could make a difference. also I didn't have to grind my frame to fit the cr ingition in, and on the 86 did they drop the height of the motor? compared to how my 85 was it seams as the motor is lower. I got a line today about a 86 atc frame and front end for free(he took the motor and rear end off and left the rest), so I'm gonna powdercoat that, and put on my +1 lsr swinger and build myself another bike around that. How much better are the 86 forks? the 86 forks I have need to be rebuilt, worth the money to rebuild them or use my 85 forks?

[Lots_Of_Nothing]

I wasnt aware there was any frame differences.

[x.system]

I thought the only difference was the way the tail light mounted, could be wrong though.

[smokinp]

even though I dont own a R i thought there was no differences....

[deathman53]

there is a difference, the 86 forks need more oil than the 85, peg mounts are different and so are the pegs, the 86 frame seams stronger in some places and less meat in other places. It seams like the bike sits lower, all I changed was the frame, everyting else stayed the same. the 85 and 86 use different bolts for the rear suspension linkage as well as different bushings, the motor mount on the swingarm is thicker on the 85, as we all know the swingarm is different. something is different on the 85 and 86 frame also, on the 85 the back bolt thread for the tank is much thicker as is the front, the 86 its skinny. the bike handles way different. I'm sure if I really looked I could find more differences. the frame on the 86 is longer, my 86 is about 1"-1 1/2 longer, I can measure this from how much room I have from the bike to tailgate.

[AZ250R]

I snapped my 85 atc frame and yesterday swapped it to a 86 frame, its like a new bike, I didn't change anything except the frame, the front wheel is more planted, jumps better, didn't expeirence the full difference yet, bacause I'm still using 86 trx 250r peg mounts,... never realized how 1/2 degree of camber could make a difference.
Camber? I think you mean "RAKE", the angle the front forks sit out from the frame @. I didn't know there was a difference though. & as far as the swinger I think the only diff was how the carriers fit not the swing bolt connection, cause I was gonna transfer my 85 WestCoast onto a TRX if I ever get one. ;)

[Red Rider]

I snapped my 85 atc frame and yesterday swapped it to a 86 frame, its like a new bike, I didn't change anything except the frame, the front wheel is more planted, jumps better, ...
Death, you say you snapped your 85 frame. I know these frames just don't break. I'm assuming you've been riding around on a cracked 85 frame for quite awhile, and that's why the 86 frame seems to handle & feel better. Other than a few minor changes to the frame, which have already been discussed here, none are specification changes that would drastically improve handling, except maybe the swingarm.

[deathman53]

it broke on the left engine cradle rail, it could be repaired, without much trouble. right above the left front motor mount, found a crack in one of the bottom motor mount hole, but didn't find any other cracks. I always looked over my frame after I washed it. I didn't wash the bike the time before I rode it before it broke(track was very dry) I already had the peg area repaired and the left front motor mount was starting to crack(got repaired). I had a trx250r and know the areas to look for cracks. I was told that atc frames like to crack right where the two cradles meet, foot peg area(same as trx), rear shock mount, any others? if anybody wants the frame they can have it, I certinally don't want it. Don't have room for it, my storage is filled, garage filled, basement has atc and trx parts as well as tecate parts. Also I have a 88r being built, 86 200x, 86 200x motor(gonna put a new head on it), 01 xr250r(long story, short=mechanic ran away with my parts), and the 86 atc 250r(formally 85), plus tires, plastics(trx), new works shock for 86 200x, paddles, partial short track kit, and all the stock xr 250 parts, 3-4 sets of radiators, a complete 86 250r motor(bad cases and c/b), 84 250r front end(was for 86 200x), and probably more if looked. forgot also I have a 86 trx 250r frame and related parts.

[cliff2302]

are you looking to get rid of any of your tecate parts? i'm looking for front forks/tripples and a swingamr with an axle. basically, everything to convert a bike to a trike. pm me if you want to sell anything

[deathman53]

forgot I also have 86 tecate forks, tripple and front tire, . the forks need a rebuld and one stem is crushed. they are all for sale. I have 85 tecate tripples too, new cdi, 1 or two others, used coils.

[Lots_Of_Nothing]

i didnt say there was NO differences at all, i just meant the bare frame, wich i think everyone else meant also., and in the frame case, there is no difference, maybe the tailight mount like the other guy said, other then that, i'm not away of any, but i do know the frontend didnt change on the FRAMES., let me re-read this artical introducing the 86 R (they list all the changes), although i've read it before and they dont mention anything frame-wise.

[hotroddal]

i never new there was difference from 85 to 86

[atc86r]

How about a pic of the roll design footpegs on an atc?

[250rAL]

it broke on the left engine cradle rail, it could be repaired, without much trouble. right above the left front motor mount, found a crack in one of the bottom motor mount hole, but didn't find any other cracks. I always looked over my frame after I washed it. I didn't wash the bike the time before I rode it before it broke(track was very dry) I already had the peg area repaired and the left front motor mount was starting to crack(got repaired). I had a trx250r and know the areas to look for cracks. I was told that atc frames like to crack right where the two cradles meet, foot peg area(same as trx), rear shock mount, any others? if anybody wants the frame they can have it, I certinally don't want it. Don't have room for it, my storage is filled, garage filled, basement has atc and trx parts as well as tecate parts. Also I have a 88r being built, 86 200x, 86 200x motor(gonna put a new head on it), 01 xr250r(long story, short=mechanic ran away with my parts), and the 86 atc 250r(formally 85), plus tires, plastics(trx), new works shock for 86 200x, paddles, partial short track kit, and all the stock xr 250 parts, 3-4 sets of radiators, a complete 86 250r motor(bad cases and c/b), 84 250r front end(was for 86 200x), and probably more if looked. forgot also I have a 86 trx 250r frame and related parts.


Mine cracked in the square tube section ABOVE where the engine cradles meet. Between the radiators. By the time I noticed it, it was completely through and separated and the motor was holding the whole trike together via the top motor mount. I welded plates over top of the cracked area and haven't had any more trouble.

[KASEY]

good thread deathnam53, i ride BOTH alot,,,, same tires the 85 has a little more power,, but its funny how you get a weird suprize once in a while on the 86 ,,,, they DO handle different ,,, i have a practice track i ride for conditioning ,,, so i ride both trikes ,, so i don't wear one out ,,,, and on most days its the same but once in a while without looking you can tell what trike i am on,,,,, say BS or whatever ,,, the 86 is different and better,,,, :D

[deathman53]

its gonna change even more soon(for the better), I'm putting on a lrd 310pv and a +1 lsr swinger, and currently hyper carbon fiber beadlocks with fast trekkers are on it. By the way, I cracked the 86 frame on the top rail, near the rear shock mount(its been long fixed already). My main issue with switching the frame was the threads for the foot peg mounts were stripped and helicoiled on the 85 frame and the whole piece stripped more, I wasn't messing with it anymore. I have a 86 frame that I'm gonna reinforce and powdercoat.

[Apollo]

I can't wait to hear about your lrd pv 310. Since I've been on 3WWorld, I have learned that people with 85 frames have spark plug cap clearance problems when you use spacer plates, etc., that you do not hear about on the 86. Whats different with the 86 for that to happen? This is a good thread, I did not realize where R frames crack.

[md1985250r]

How about a pic of the roll design footpegs on an atc?

I got a pic of that, I just need someone to post it for me. GREG

[deathman53]

the cross bar is much thicker on the 85 frame(where the front tank bolts are). I had to grind mine out to fit the coolhead I had.

[md1985250r]

Sorry deathman,,,,I didnt mean to step on your thread!! Although you could probably use some Roll Designs on your trike!! :D

Its no wonder you snapped the frame!!I've seen those pics of you jumping.Nothing is gonna withstand that kind of impact ,repeatedly :w00t: :w00t:


NUCKING FUTS DUDE!!!

[deathman53]

well, thats why it wasn't a big suprise to me. I did bigger jumps than those also, those are just ones that are on photo.

[atc86r]

md1985250r, thanks i've been wanting some but have yet to see them on an atc.

[deathman53]

http://www.pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/deathman53/250r+12-012.JPG.html

[atc86r]

What had to be done to install? Thanks for the pic.

[atc86r]

Checking out a few of the pics. Got some nice parts on that trike. Does it clean up nice? How's the pipe? I'm going with the esr atc5 also. My fmf fatty has fallen apart.

[Apollo]

You are going to love the ESR ATC 5 pipe.

[a-camp]

We have every year in camp of R . I found this thread interesting. I have been looking at differnt 85 trikes next to my 86 while im working on them. I have been suspecting two of the things you cover hear , Fork rake and hight. I think you may be right. Hight can be effected by many things but I think the 86 is lower all around . Also looks like front wheel is out farther, I though mine may have a little tweek. Also CDI is diff, on off switch, carb, and on and on. They ride diff. in my opinion.

[deathman53]

all you need is 86 atc 250r peg mounts to use them, they also work on 86/87 200x, 86 350x. I just ordered a set for my 200x(86)

[350x'inNY]

looks like they welded two footpegs together. Why wouldn't it also work on a 85 350X? I didn't know the footpegs were any different between 85 and 86. I had a few sets of Hondaline footpeg covers... they increase the width about the same and add a 'catch' on the end.

Bruce

[deathman53]

they don't work with 85 250r peg mounts either, where the peg slides in and you put the spring and pin isn't wide enough on the 85 models. I'll post some pics of why it wo't work later on.

[md1985250r]

I made it work :naughty: :naughty: ....a little heat and a little tap tap and presto....had to add a small piece so the pegs wouldnt hang down like beagles ears :D :D I got pics but I dont know how to resize them or I would post them GREG

[atc86r]

Thanks. From pics of roll footpegs in catalogs it looked like I would have to put them on by removing the pin.

[Mr. Sandman]

I made it work :naughty: :naughty: ....a little heat and a little tap tap and presto....had to add a small piece so the pegs wouldnt hang down like beagles ears :D :D I got pics but I dont know how to resize them or I would post them GREG
Here's the pics of the Roll Design 'R' footpeg setup from md1985250r.