Speedometer gear seal-Honda 200e????? [Archive]

Jd110

11-21-2017, 06:07 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171121/0681e499b6c77b20a6ce64bdf5010c00.jpg
Will anyone know where I can find a seal? It was locked in there pretty good & spent a couple days of soaking to get it out. It took a toll on the seal in the process, but it was compromised to start with.Thanks for any help.
Edit: I found out this is not a gear for the 200e. It's for a smaller tire.

jeswinehart

11-22-2017, 07:45 PM

Jd, have you had it completely apart to inspect the beveled and worm gear that often go to crap. ???

Jd110

11-22-2017, 08:48 PM

Jd, have you had it completely apart to inspect the beveled and worm gear that often go to crap. ???

Hi John,
The worm drive and other gear look great, as I see it. I haven't figured out how to get the worm out of the head, yet. Sounds like I should, so I will to inspect-Thx. It's in pieces getting painted.
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Found a seal that might work, from Browns bearings thanks to local Honda.

jeswinehart

11-22-2017, 09:12 PM

The beveled gear you have in the egg carton, one with all the grease still on it,,,, is mainly the one I have found to be missing one tooth rendering it useless. Can't quite tell condition of your but with all that grease on it,,, well that's a very good sign it is in good condition.
Hopefully you found a usable seal. If not, I may be able to seal off area where oem seal fits into + mold release everywhere inside and pour a Shore 80A rubber to seal.
john

Jd110

11-22-2017, 09:51 PM

Haha. It had no grease, just brown sludge. My son just did that. We're getting a little ahead of ourselves. The only seal we could come up with is a tad too small. The OD is a tight fit only a bit short in the race. Pushed all the way down, it's not flush.

Thank you, John, for all your contributions. The old threads from you and the others are a very valuable resource. Oh, I was studying your picture above, just this morning. Happy thanksgiving.

jeswinehart

11-22-2017, 10:30 PM

Yes, happy thanksgiving. Let me know if I may have a go at it.

Jd110

11-22-2017, 11:30 PM

That's amazing imho. I really appreciate that. Your confidence in what you can do is nothing less than amazing.
Truth be told, I pm'ed dirtcrasher before this thread. He got back to me tonight and generously offer his help and expertise in finding what I need. So I'll hang tight. I don't know if I can say thanks enough, but Thanks[emoji4]

Jd110

11-29-2017, 08:54 PM

For anyone reading, this is not a gear for a 25" tire. Dirtcrasher sure knows his stuff. He knew it almost instantly. Anyways, I think I'll be ok.

Dirtcrasher

11-30-2017, 03:22 PM

Honda did not make it easy; I've now found 4 different housings and 2 different drivers, I can only share what I have:

The seal in between the gear box driver and your hub is 30mm x 42mm x 8mm. The company I use has 7mm thickness dual lip and spring backed.

The seal between the gearbox and the gear box driver is 27mm ID x 36mm O.D. and forget the thickness (5,6,7,8mm) but it can only be raised up a bit before
your seal pushes that drive towards the other side, you'll have less surface area contact.

^ I have seen that O.D. of 36mm and increases it to 40mm IF THE STEEL SLEEVE IS REMOVED out of the housing!! (I have found some gone...)

Now, the other style drive housing (which mainly I see with drum brakes) is different. It is 30mm I.D. (thicker driver), a 40mm O.D. and again the width is listed in the 1st line.

ALSO, that (lets call em o ring drives) have a different method of mating your drum to the hub and seal it. It uses an o ring 36mm I.D. x 42mm O. D. and 3mm wide.

To remove the pinion shaft, use a #29 drill bit (thats for an 8 - 32 " tap). Just hold the housing in soft jaws and use a punch to drive it out. Tap it 8/32 or MM thread for resealing. The o ring drives seem to have a setscrew and hat or cap on the bottom.

There is a knurled bushing, it's just driven in and has a thrust washer on the bottom (don't lose it), the bushing and the pinion seal is 4 or 5mm I.D. 15mm O.D. and 4mm thick or wide amd single lipped, no spring....

PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK OR ADD INPUT!! I'll try to get talp a talk on here later for pics. It's not on my phone....

Never pull on the top where that pinion shaft is sticking up, it will break.

P'S. It truly is tough for me to get to some parts, I have too much :lol: But that's why I may not respond to a PM until I know I have a few hours to try and help out.

Jd110

11-30-2017, 10:23 PM

Alright, I double checked--it's 37mm 28mm 6mm.
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1st post shows the O.D as 37mm.
Would it be right to order this one:https://m.ebay.com/itm/AVX-Shaft-Oil-Seal-TC28x37x6-Rubber-Lip-28mm-37mm-6mm-metric/361455693281?epid=1771139001&hash=item5428702de1:g:5KsAAOSwZ1lWfIJw
It sure looks right.
I really appreciate your time, I just searched this tonight after reading your post. I would have pulled the trigger on this last week, had I known better. Again, thanks for the info.

110 atc

12-01-2017, 07:13 PM

Does anyone have a write up on how to rebuild these drives?

Dirtcrasher

12-01-2017, 10:17 PM

^ You can't buy any parts, just seals.

The head is normally "not serviceable" but some of us ATC loonies just have to take apart everything, :lol:

JD - SEE!! I spent 2 hours draggin all the crap out, measuring it and it's different :lol:.

Don't measure the I.D. with the seal, use the O.D. it rides on, Should be 27mm. All the "d"s I have have 36mm ID versus your 37mm, no rhyme or reason to it....

In your 1st pic from the beginning, the bottom of the housing is beat up, is the retaining ring gone??

Jd110

12-01-2017, 10:17 PM

What are you talking about bud, It's in the making....!!!!🤠[emoji106]good question really. I did search first.

New seal was shipped this morning.

Jd110

12-01-2017, 10:24 PM

^^ I got you something, too. I just need your address. I'll check it out. Thanks

Jd110

12-02-2017, 11:42 AM

Race is 37mm
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Parts in order of assembly from left to right
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The little thin washer I broke goes down first, then ring gearhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171202/57b0f39a3b03c4ce2cb6763bdf898442.jpg
The seal next
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Hub connection
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Like I said, there is a seal on its way that will hopefully be the right size. I can let you know.
Ps. Yes, the housing and inside of the hub connection (side that contacts the ring gear) has a few gouge marks-not sure why...??

Dirtcrasher

12-02-2017, 02:30 PM

Here are 2 "d"s and the o ring seal drum brake type that's larger.

The last pic is the hub seal, it grows up to 30mm ID x 42 x 7.

Do you need that seal as well? Or is it still in the hub.
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Jd110

12-02-2017, 03:07 PM

Here is that seal I think your asking about-it's 42mm
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Jd110

12-02-2017, 03:15 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171202/ed0c1479d1482a16ca9c2c33dc80fc1d.jpg
Yes, this is 27mm, as well. If there is a seal that's supposed to be here, I'll need that because this didn't have one. BUT, when this connects to the ring gear it rides against this seal pictured below, the seal I'm after.
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Dirtcrasher

12-02-2017, 03:18 PM

Yes, your last pic. That's the hub seal and it is 30 x 42 x 7 or 8mm

As far as the seal you ordered, did you go with 28mm??

I'm pretty sure your 28mm should be a 27mm.

Use your calipers on the OD of the driver instead of the seal and I'm pretty sure you'll find it's 27mm.

If your size is off, I can get you both of the seals out for next weekend delivery.....

Jd110

12-02-2017, 03:25 PM

Ya, that's right. 28 is what's coming. Well, I didn't measure that right.

Dirtcrasher

12-02-2017, 03:28 PM

No worries, it's not easy to get all this stuff right and be on the same page....

Jd110

12-02-2017, 04:20 PM

Yes Steve, if you could bail me out here and get those seals, that'd be great!! Pm me or something how I can send payment-I'll get it out Monday. Thanks man-enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Dirtcrasher

12-02-2017, 05:45 PM

I've got even more of these "b"s and "d"s and I GOTTA figure out why your O.D. is 37mm and mine is 36mm??!!

Are you 100 percent sure your 37mm is correct?? I see where the outside edge rolled up on installation (It's only about .020 diff on each side to have this 1mm difference. I wonder if the square edge of your caliper/ruler is screwing up that measurement; I'm not sure if your caliper comes to a point or has square edges. I'd like to see you open them to 37mm and set the calipers on top of that raised retainer so we can see straight down and check your 37mm versus the 36mm I have here...

Seems like something funky is going on.

Don't use the O.D. of the used seal ; we're not sure it's right yet. I know your no dummy, but it takes allot of hours, days, months and years to see/research/PM/cold call these parts, and I still learn new things that catch my eye all the time.

2 weeks ago I saw, (and almost bought because I'm a hoarder), a white dial faced speedo head that said ATC on it!! NEVER EVER have I seen that!! They had a 250ES kit I believe...

Once we get you sorted out, we can clean up the thread some. I had to learn allot on my own; And trial and error cost me a bit of $$; But, I made up kits that brought 700$ (900$ was my best) and 550$ was the lowest I accepted.

I'm pretty sure I have the hub seals in stock, but if I'm going to get the "driver seal", I gotta get it right (36/37) so I can buy 10....

I'm not worried about the $$...

Jd110

12-02-2017, 07:06 PM

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This original seal fits perfectly-pops in tight. OD measures 37 anyway I look. It is torn and worn to where you can see the metal inside of it, but nothing rolls upon installation.
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The front for comparison with yours.

Jd110

12-03-2017, 09:01 AM

Was thinking the race was machined at some point.
The seal was rusted in the sleeve. It took two days prying with an angle pic and other hook type tools. You can see the marks at the bottom lip of the race, from that process.
Once it was out, the race had a fair amount of rust, so it got scraped with the side of a screwdriver. Then steel wool was stuffed in and reamed around. Ok, now this 37mm seal still fits tight.

Here's more pics in effort to solve the size difference:
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Here you can see the dark brownish ring around the base of the shaft. That is where the little thin washer was.
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Thanks for your help.

Dirtcrasher

12-04-2017, 03:29 AM

Dirtcrasher

12-04-2017, 03:43 PM

Bearing guy will call me in just a bit...

But, I ordered a bunch. Usually 36 hours to my door.

Jd110

12-04-2017, 04:37 PM

Awesome!!! Thank you[emoji4]

Jd110

12-05-2017, 10:06 PM

Found a shim (little broken washer) at a local wreaking yard. It's the same as a Honda '76 GL.
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big specht

12-05-2017, 11:55 PM

How do you tell which style will work on a atc I found a almost full bucket of those at a local bike shop last weekend?

Dirtcrasher

12-06-2017, 03:10 PM

Right off the bat, the width tells you if it's for an ATC or not.

The width should be the same width as a typical 200X 350X 250R front axle collar, because the speedometer gear housing takes that collars place. The tapered down collar, not the hat on the caliper side.

A bucket full of them I would think would be nearly all street bike speedometers; Similar but geared for a street bike front tire.....

big specht

12-06-2017, 03:40 PM

Ok I wasn't sure anything would be useable for parts on the atc ones or able to be converted to atc usage

Dirtcrasher

12-06-2017, 10:10 PM

All the heads were for either MPH or KPH.

And the drives must match the head of course, so that's where Honda changed for a 25" tire or a 23" tire versus a street bike tire....

I'm sure many people have unknowingly bought the wrong drive because it fits. But the ATC drive is special for a more accurate speed.

Dirtcrasher

12-07-2017, 09:11 PM

Found a shim (little broken washer) at a local wreaking yard. It's the same as a Honda '76 cl.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171206/6331c83b56ae277f9225189b27c33e34.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171206/b14bb14c573ffed298cce2ea86e58ec3.jpgOkay, I have all the seals in my hands.
1) Gear box pinion - 5x15x6
(Should be an I.D. of 4.5mm because that's what the pinion shaft measures at!! ) Single lip, but the only one I could get was a 5mm I.D. It is sealing it, and the Speedo cable grommets help keep out water and junk.

2) Gearbox to the driver seal - 27x36x6mm. Whichever I.D. of either 36mm and or 37mm, well, one will fit!!

3) Gearbox to the driver seal - for this same application, is apparently 27x37x7mm based on your findings.

4) 30x42x7mm is for the complete speedometer drive assembly, seal INTO the front hub.

So, on hand, I have 3, spring backed dual lip rubber coated seals and 1 single lip.

Does 20$ shipped work for the 4 seals shipped to you?? There 30% higher than they were....

And, once you figure out the 36mm and the 37mm discrepancy, we'll know what's up!!

I need your address....

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jeswinehart

12-08-2017, 11:25 PM

Jd110

12-09-2017, 06:35 AM

DC, your a scholar and gentleman. Thanks for your time!!!
Ps. $20 is more than fair, bud. Make sure there's a return address [emoji106][emoji109]

Jd110

12-09-2017, 06:49 AM

Okay, this thread is bringing back a thought I had on back burner for awhile now. DC, if I am reading this all correct you basically have all the seals covered right ?
So, if yes,,,, all that would be needed is the body, the drive gears,,, and what else ?
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/148252-ATC-speedo-drive-(transmission)-unit(s)-reproduction

John, glad to hear it's getting another go. The drive above I thought was cl, could be gl. Anyway, you can have it if you like.
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It looks like this^^^^^
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This looks like one for 200e^^^^^

jeswinehart

12-10-2017, 12:51 AM

Kinda waiting to hear DC's input on this possible project. Like what all I would need to make mold of and such,,,

Dirtcrasher

12-10-2017, 05:58 PM

John, glad to hear it's getting another go. The drive above I thought was cl, could be gl. Anyway, you can have it if you like.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171209/427178b3975506ba52c574d79066ba5a.jpg
It looks like this^^^^^
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This looks like one for 200e^^^^^Yes, but they won't be wide enough and are geared wrong.

I gave you a rundown of all 4 seals, did you get that??

Let me get off the damn phone and see what's at 3WW.....

Steve
DC

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Dirtcrasher

12-10-2017, 06:12 PM

Okay, got it all now :lol:

Well, the deal is, I could buy the pinion and ring gear and almost all the pinions were 7 or 8 teeth. I can no longer buy that gear set....

Took me YEARS to figure that out but I did well on EBAY....

John, Honda CASTS those aluminum b or d housings INTO a steel hollow shaft with a step on it's O'D' , (to keep it in place and from wobbling).

Every part of this project took so many hours, trials and failures. Machine a housing and press it in, then the housing decides to crack.

I challenge ANYONE to modify one of these for an ATC. It took allot of steel, seals, boring. turning, pressing and finish machining to get it right.....

Next post, a game!! :lol:

Dirtcrasher

12-10-2017, 06:18 PM

Okay, got it all now [emoji38]

Well, the deal is, I could buy the pinion and ring gear and almost all the pinions were 7 or 8 teeth. I can no longer buy that gear set....

Took me YEARS to figure that out but I did well on EBAY....

John, Honda CASTS those aluminum b or d housings INTO a steel hollow shaft with a step on it's O'D' , (to keep it in place and from wobbling).

Every part of this project took so many hours, trials and failures. Machine a housing and press it in, then the housing decides to crack.

I challenge ANYONE to modify one of these for an ATC. It took allot of steel, seals, boring. turning, pressing and finish machining to get it right.....

Next post, a game!! [emoji38]Which drive WAS for a street bike? QUIZ FOR ALL!!

Everything is machined, bored, changed to fit the new gears that I could buy, depending on when and where the guts were made. Now I can only repair them, make them from scratch and or repair some of the Hondaline Parts.....

Left, right or middle are OEM and or modified??https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171210/f70df7130e88908a667c53fa890f632b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171210/08f45f468c58454324ce081fa7061885.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171210/d13114a411baf0a83b6c4228ecd9f14a.jpg

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jeswinehart

12-10-2017, 07:55 PM

so, you got it all sorted out then, great !

Dirtcrasher

12-11-2017, 11:09 PM

^ Well, we're all trying!!

Jd110

12-12-2017, 09:01 AM

Which drive WAS for a street bike? QUIZ FOR ALL!!

Everything is machined, bored, changed to fit the new gears that I could buy, depending on when and where the guts were made. Now I can only repair them, make them from scratch and or repair some of the Hondaline Parts.....

Left, right or middle are OEM and or modified??

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I guess the middle one. Just a guess cuz I really know diddly. Kind of hard telling without seeing the height of the round center shaft. They're fools gold.

Jd110

12-12-2017, 09:39 AM

Steve, I sent you the payment through PayPal, last night. It might be a few weeks or so before I can get this on and working, but I'll try to get a picture of it in motion. Got a welding project, for the wifey to do, I'd like done by the 1st and of course I'll be assisting her.
For now, I'll sit a watch this paint dry. I had to respray after forming the lip on the ring, around the housing. Great tips from KbOnly, here a 3ww.
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Could have spent more time on this:
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Happy holidays, everyone!!!

Shep1970

12-12-2017, 10:05 AM

Well i have to guess the "right" one, it looks like this motorcycle one and has the same markings(gotta look closely though) ebay pics
248308 248309
And has the same shaped "nub" 248310
Shep

Dirtcrasher

12-12-2017, 04:05 PM

^ And you sir are correct!! All the measurements are identical in all 3 but I made the 1 on the right correct by using the right gears and pressing in a whole handmade hollow shaft....

And fabricated my own drive.

Anyhow, I shipped the seals, you'll have them in a few days....

Dirtcrasher

12-12-2017, 04:09 PM

DAMMIT!!

You still need a thrust washer or 2!!

What size, how thick?? ID.OD.W.

Jd110

12-12-2017, 08:00 PM

DAMMIT!!

You still need a thrust washer or 2!!

What size, how thick?? ID.OD.W.

What thrust washer?

Jd110

12-12-2017, 08:01 PM

Well i have to guess the "right" one, it looks like this motorcycle one and has the same markings(gotta look closely though) ebay pics
248308 248309
And has the same shaped "nub" 248310
Shep

Winner winner no chicken dinner. Good job shep!!

Shep1970

12-12-2017, 09:44 PM

Winner winner no chicken dinner. Good job shep!!

Ya, i never realized how many speedo drives there were (lots) and it was just honda i searched under, steve's definetly done his homework.....

Shep

Dirtcrasher

12-13-2017, 04:04 PM

What thrust washer?You had 1 bear up by large ID and OD thin washer all bent up somewhere in this thread. I have some for the in and or pinion.

Just need to know what you have.

Hopefully you'll have all the seals you need; I do have more. When I order, I ORDER!! [emoji38]
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Jd110

12-13-2017, 07:08 PM

Yes, you've got some seals there[emoji106].

Well Steve, when I took this apart there was only one washer. It's between the housing and ring gear and I got it off that street bike gear that is posted in here. So, I think we're good, bud. Thanks for everything.

Jd110

01-25-2018, 08:55 PM

It's working....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180126/7f2504cf2407a0ed606d7a5dfcde3868.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180126/7177f19c5d0ee5704ff27c0af0456b06.jpg
Before....
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Different 12V accessory plug bracket for speedo.
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Thanks for looking guys!

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Dirtcrasher

01-25-2018, 08:58 PM

Good job brother...

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gimmeamidget

01-31-2018, 08:25 PM

Just bought the 3 rubber seals to rebuild my drive gear on a 250r. Dirt Crasher hooked me up with all the seals for a good price and the fit was perfect.

Jd110

02-06-2018, 10:07 PM

Ok, it's been determined this gear is for a 250R or 350X. Which means it mounts backwards on this 200e and is spinning in reverse. Well, I'm having problems with it and I'm 99.9% sure it was used on the 200e it was one when I bought it.

It is now running at 70+ mph and makes a constant growling sound. I took the head off the bracket and shot greaseless lube up the cable hole. It drips back black. Not sure what to do from here, hope it's not shot. Any ideas why this would be acting up? Thanks

DirtCrasher, in case you read this again, I'm editing it because I see you might have thought the noise was in the gear. Well, that's the way it sounds but the noise was in the head and was so loud, my neighbor heard it across the street. The gears looked new when I had it apart and the seals fit like a glove-that's all working fine and dandy. I'm actually wondering if running them backwards is easier on the gears-idk. But the cable spins backwards in the speedometer head as well??? Not sure what that will do. I wish I took a closer look at the insides of it when I had it open.