85 200x transmission?

[dirtydozn]

ok sorry for the long post in advance but having some issues with a transmission. I have two 200x's one that is a basket case and the other that had kick start issues. so I rebuilt one complete engine using the kick start gears on the two trans shafts from on engine to the other that atc runs great no issues. the problem that I am having is that I purchased a used trans on ebay for an 85 and every thing looks the same except the two gears. by the way I am trying to put together the second 200x. my question is did I get a trans for another year or what. I have also seen when doing research that there might be a trans a and b not sure if that's true and how do I tell if that is true.both new gears have the same amount of teeth they are just a little different in width of gear wich causes the main shaft to not turn when case is tightened when case is loose everything spins fine. and lastly I thought most every thing for the 84-85 were the same I know the 83 has some different sprocket sizes in trans. any help would be great just got this crap and it don't fit:

[shortline10]

The 84 trans had the thinner gears and the 85 were the thicker ones . Use the 85 gears their the best of all three years .

[Dirtcrasher]

I have one 1985 OEM Honda kickstarter new repair kit, in the box.

2 new kickstart ratchet gears and 1 wider transmission gear as well as a new spring.

300$ shipped, not a dime less...

I can text pics if you PM me with a cell phone number.

[dirtydozn]

I would love to use all the new gears I got. all the gears on the counter shaft seem to be ok its the kick starter gear on the main shaft that is to big by a couple mm and the shaft will not turn with the case bolted together. maybe I don't have the gears in correctly. should the 84 and 85 be interchangeable for these gears. I have looked over the counter shaft a few times I believe I have all the washers in the right place. its that the kickstarter gear is to tall or did I even get the right trans from ebay

[dirtydozn]

thanks for the offer but I don't think that's what I am after

[dirtydozn]

I chwcked both case numbers and it seems I took out 85 gears and put them in an 84 case so if these new gears I got were out of an 85 they should work ? it has me perplexed

[Dirtcrasher]

If your looking for the 2 outside case gears that make it kick forwards, you have to have the gasket in place or they bind up.

I thought you needed the gears inside the case for the kickstart ratchet mechanism.

hortline (Mike) knows everything about these motors....

[dirtydozn]

I do have all the gaskets in place. normally when you have these two trans shafts in the gear in the first pick does stick above the gear in the second pick about 1mm but now its 3mm due to the size of the gear in first pick. like you said the tolerance in these motors is very tight like you said the width of the gasket. but this is way off. unfortunately I cant look in the motor I just built nor do I want to and see what they look like I just cant remember. I think I put gears from an 85 into an 84 and I need to get the 85 running I thought they were essentially the same. now I bought gears from an 84 according to the ebay add cause I thought they were the same and they are except for the two end gears I think Honda has them at two different part numbers but I am also seeing that there might have been two different trans for 85 an a and b I guess no one can seem to tell me for sure the counter guy at my local shop couldn't tell me that's why I am here

[shortline10]

The recessed gear goes face down , the other gear that attaches to the clutch basket is installed without the shim .
This is all going by memory lol .
Cases are the same for 84/85 but 83 cases are different .

[Dirtcrasher]

I do have all the gaskets in place. normally when you have these two trans shafts in the gear in the first pick does stick above the gear in the second pick about 1mm but now its 3mm due to the size of the gear in first pick. like you said the tolerance in these motors is very tight like you said the width of the gasket. but this is way off. unfortunately I cant look in the motor I just built nor do I want to and see what they look like I just cant remember. I think I put gears from an 85 into an 84 and I need to get the 85 running I thought they were essentially the same. now I bought gears from an 84 according to the ebay add cause I thought they were the same and they are except for the two end gears I think Honda has them at two different part numbers but I am also seeing that there might have been two different trans for 85 an a and b I guess no one can seem to tell me for sure the counter guy at my local shop couldn't tell me that's why I am here

I can tell you one thing; No matter how DAMN close the part numbers are, they can be very different.

If I don't have a service manual, I just use parts fiche online and print it out.

[dirtydozn]

I have the manual and have looked at both the 84 and 5 and the picture is the exact same of course the manual and parts fiche are for 83-85.

[dirtydozn]

so if I get that right recessed part down which I have. that shaft turn fine in neutral. now I didn't have the shim under the gear that goes to clutch basket and I think it turned but was tight and you could feel some grinding and of course the pic in the manual shows on being there. stupid question is there supposed to be a washer at the other end of the shaft the side that doesn't go to the clutch. I will try it again without washer on clutch side and see what happens thxs

[Dirtcrasher]

If you just measure the dimension for L x W x Height.

Measure in between the bearing inner surfaces lengthwise as well.

And the gears, You may have torn that crankcase apart and you gotta figure out what is fully engaged or what is not.

If it was you tearing it open the 1st time, you'd probably be fine.

But hey, your on the right track. I always shift thru every gear gear before I button it up anyhow...

[dirtydozn]

unfortunately this motor came to me in pieces the other 85 I built that has an 84 engine was all me and went back together no problem. I kept everything together exactly the way it came out so when it went back together there was no problems I used some parts from the doner motor and a few bits of hardwear that were worn out. now trying to build this one for the basket case 85 I have, by the way the case went back together ok this time I am not sure about the 84 engine but this one looks like on the main shaft on the left crankcase bearing there is a small raised area so when the shaft goes in you don't need the washer cause everything works great now but every diagram I could find shows there being one. I cant remember if there was one in the 84 or not but I am sure there are small differences between years. I know they beefed up the two starter gears on the trans for the 85 so maybe that different bearing design was there way of compensating for the bigger gears now you don't need the washer thanks for all your help everyone. I also have a bunch of different parts for the 84-85 200x I got a bunch of extras when I bought these three bikes so if any one needs something let me know thx

[Bren_downe]

Have any spare brake parts? Really looking for calipers or caliper mounts.
Thanks

[dirtydozn]

I do have calipers both front and rear and the mounts are on them let me know which one you need

[dirtydozn]

I also have the brake lines and a rear master cylinder but it will need rebuilt

[Bren_downe]

Hey Dirty, I just sent you a PM

[Dirtcrasher]

One time I rebuilt a 350X motor that came "in a box". I too keep everything together and I try not to tear them down until I am ready to start assembly.

Anyow, when I was done, there was exactly .040 (or 1mm) of play in the mainshaft left to right. I was pretty sure I didn't miss anything but I ordered another main bearing and split the case AGAIN.

Anyhow, I tore it down and triple checked it and in the end, all was fine. But, I had to check..... And you'll have to do the same.