200x 350x speedometer Drive gear

[andnuaa]

Quick question I have two speedometer Drive gears one I believe is for a 83-85 200x and the other one I believe is a 350x so my question is how can you tell them apart ? also the worm gear on One turns counter-clockwise and the other one turns clockwise. Will upload pictures as soon as I get to the shop

Thanks for the help in advance

[andnuaa]

Pictures of the gears

[atcmatt]

Nothing stamped on them, 350x should be HA5.

[Dirtcrasher]

No, they are not always stamped because I have a few of these. (I lost your phone # BTW).....

If you stare down into it and stand in front of the trike, your looking at a right hand drive and if your rolling the tire forwards the cable drive in that drive box will rotate clockwise to be correct.

Remember, your in front of it and the 200X drive will be on your right, but sitting on the trike it is actually a left hand drive.

With a 250R and a 350X, the caliper is on the left so the drive is on the right. Those are typically much harder to find/buy etc etc and there are no other options with street bikes and gears etc because you can't seal them correctly and/or buy the gears inside to run a 23.5" tire.

The left hand drive sitting on the trike is for a 200X because a 200X has a caliper on the right hand side. Be careful though as the LH drives include big Reds etc etc and are for a 25" front tire, not a 23.5".....

They (200X, big reds etc) will be located on the left and rotate CW if you are STANDING IN FRONT OF IT LOOKING DOWN.... The ones that look like a "b" are left hand drives. A "d" is the 250R/350X or a right hand drive.

Sorry if this is a bit confusing, I need to figure out how to post pics with talp-a-talk so it's understood better.

I have 250R/350X big red, 200E, 200S drives but listing them here doesn't work pricewise, I just use EBAY....

[110 atc]

Can the gear drives be rebuilt and resealed in any way? I have a 185/200s and a 200x gear drive that have come apart in two pieces.

[jeswinehart]

Can the gear drives be rebuilt and resealed in any way? I have a 185/200s and a 200x gear drive that have come apart in two pieces.

Yes, they are very serviceable (and thee most neglected part by far).
Most likely the large internal snap ring (circlip) came out (difficult to remove by hand so NO idea how it would have come out in the first place)

[andnuaa]

Is there any other bike that more common that has a drive gear that will work for the 200x ? Because as you can see in the picture it's been snapped off

[atcmatt]

You can likely change out the worm gear. You would just have to find one from a bike that will work, that could be expensive. If you want to sell the 350x one PM me. Thanks.

[110 atc]

That's cool. Where can these components purchased? I am not in a hurry as these are just extras.

[Dirtcrasher]

Good luck, I have found nothing that fits, nothing. I can spot the right worm gear a mile away and all the street bike worms angle is cut opposite and less teeth than required.

I simply got lucky to purchase many drives at decent prices.....

[atcmatt]

That's a shame, I know a cb350 worm gear will work in a 250es. I had to do that to mine as a moron (Louis Rego) on eBay sold me a 200es one :rolleyes: goodluck with it mate anyway and let me know if you want to part with the 350x one.

Matt

[andnuaa]

That's a shame, I know a cb350 worm gear will work in a 250es. I had to do that to mine as a moron (Louis Rego) on eBay sold me a 200es one :rolleyes: goodluck with it mate anyway and let me know if you want to part with the 350x one.

Matt

I figured it would be a mission to find the right driving gear for it.

Anyway Matt I'm actually going to keep the 350X gear for my project that I am currently Gathering parts for

[atcmatt]

Too easy mate, I have a 250sx one on my 350x and it works fine though it would be nice to have the right one for it. I'm pretty sure all the internals are the same on these gearboxes. The only difference being the left and right hand worm gear and pinion gear.

[Dirtcrasher]

Can the gear drives be rebuilt and resealed in any way? I have a 185/200s and a 200x gear drive that have come apart in two pieces.

I have the new seals in stock.....

[Dirtcrasher]

Too easy mate, I have a 250sx one on my 350x and it works fine though it would be nice to have the right one for it. I'm pretty sure all the internals are the same on these gearboxes. The only difference being the left and right hand worm gear and pinion gear.

I will say this, the 200E, 200, 200S are exactly the same and for a 25" tire, I have 4 of them.

I have 5 or so 350X or 250R drives (ONLY 4 SALE ON EBAY).

The 200X SHOULD be different. I just won a whole 200X kit in the Hondaline box from DONZI on EBAY yesterday.

Next week I will know every housing, every gear and every application!! :lol:

[atcmatt]

Would be good to open them up one day and count the different teeth etc on the cogs. I'd be willing to bet they are all the same. My 250sx one (22inch tyre) counted exact same teeth as my 250es one (25inch tyre) so yeah go figure. I feel like the hondaline speedos were more of a gimmick than an accurate way to measure speed. Still love both of mine though. Really set the trike off!

[Dirtcrasher]

To me that would seem odd. Honda was always moving things 2mm's or shortening 10mm's , I have a few of the 25" tire types in front of me.

My point is Honda was always striving for perfection from what I saw and read in the past 33 years.

I have a brand new kit for a 200X on it's way!! :w00t:

I will see the ratio and compare it to other Left Hand Drives. (200E, 200S 25" tire versus 23.5)....

[atcmatt]

Yeah please do Crasher. Would be good too see how it compares.

[Jack G]

What's the verdict on the 200X gears?

I purchased a complete Hondaline 200X kit a while back and would like to make sure the gearbox is up to snuff. Anyone know where to find the seals? Do you still have some Dirtcrasher?

And what kind of lubrication should be run in these gearboxes?

[Dirtcrasher]

Verdict?? In what part bud??

Hold the gear box in your left hand. Mark the pinion gear and align the worm wheel gear (with the drive notch) on center with the phillips screw up top for the speedo cable. Turn it CW.

If it's for a 200X, it is also shaped like the letter "d", and when you turn the ring gear (worm wheel gear) with your right hand, it rotates 1 revolution and the pinion will spin CW about 2.5 turns IF it's for a 200X.

A 350X is ALSO shaped like the small letter "d", but the worm gear is spun CW the pinion will spin CCW for the same amount of turns.

The gear boxes have 3 seals total, they should be packed with grease. If you love to be a fish, make sure you take it apart ever so often and re lube it up.

I believe have all 3 seals in stock, send me a PM if you'd like or text me at 774 766 1798

At this point I could care less who has my number as it's been whored out.

It doesn't appear to me that Honda changed thins for the 22" tire up to the 23.5" tire. But they certainly changed it for a 25" tire.

If it turns more or less turns, OR it is shaped like the small letter "b", you have a gearbox for a utility type 3 wheeler.

Such as the 250SX drive is shaped like the small letter "b" and ithe pinion gear turns CCW in your LH when the worm gear/pinion gear is turned CW.

[Jack G]

Verdict?? In what part bud??
It doesn't appear to me that Honda changed thins for the 22" tire up to the 23.5" tire. But they certainly changed it for a 25" tire.

I should have clarified, this is what I was after. Since you had/have them all on hand, I was curious to know if there really were any real gear ratio differences between the various models.

Thanks for the insight!

[atcmatt]

So safe to say the 250sx one I used to run on my 350x would have been pretty close to accurate �� man I miss that thing.

[Dirtcrasher]

So safe to say the 250sx one I used to run on my 350x would have been pretty close to accurate �� man I miss that thing.

I believe it would but that one is shaped like the small letter "b".

It also seals to the hub differently (with an o-ring versus a seal), but I can't see what the issue would be.

I think I found about 5 or 6 different gear boxes and they seem to cover every single ATC model...

200X - "d"
350X + 250R - "d"
250SX + 250ES - "b"
200E - "b"
200ES + 200S + 185 - "b"

Some spin RH, some LH