Long Live 3Wheeling Magazine

[BigGreenMachine]

Sure can't pull that one off today.

LOL Sounds like a good trip.

[Bryan Raffa]

hey dean where ya been?? got any tri-z storys from back in the day?

[atcfreak85]

Havn't heard from you in a while dean!! I was wondering if you recieved the money for the stickers I sent you? Plus it would be good to hear some more from you!!! Let me know. :welcome:

[oldfart]

Okay guys, I'm back. Sorry for the long delay on the two 3Wheeling sticker orders. I finally got time to locate some more in the garage. And, you two guys got some extra goodies as well.

A Tri-Z story? I can do that.... We got one of the first Tri-Zs on the planet from Yamaha, as a test bike. So, once we did our magazine test, it was off to Bassani for an exhaust system. At the same time, we sent parts to a bunch of different shops for R&D, and we got Brett Driscoll to ride it. Now, I believe that they used to run Corona Raceway dirt oval on Thursday nights, and we wanted to get this trike done, basically, for the next issue of 3Wheeling. So, we pushed the deadlines right up to the last day, and hoped that we could get the Yamaha done for the next Corona race.

Well, it was right up to the last minute, as usual. If we had to be at the race track by 5:00 pm, we got there at 5:30 or something! Well, Ron Crandall knew what we were trying to do, so he teched us in late, and gave Brett the green light to race! Well, when we pulled that Tri-Z out of the trailer, the pits went nuts! Now, very few had ever seen one, let alone a race version. In the short time we had the Tri-Z (maybe two weeks?), we added an axle, flat-track tires and Mitchell wheels, a fork kit from Terry Cable, twist throttle, pipe, carb, air box mods, number plate and so on. It looked really cool, sitting all alone next to all those red Hondas!

Well, the main idea was to get some night shots of it on the track sideways, which we did, and Brett had a blast! All the Hondas were gunning for him, and some, just rode behind him, just to see what it would do down the straight-aways. What a cool deal. That next day, we rushed the film to the processors, had a few quick black and white prints made, wrote the story that morning, and by Friday night, it was laid out, captioned, and sent off to the printer in Illinois. It was on the newsstands a few weeks later, much to the surprise of many, including the guys from Yamaha HQ! Who had no idea that we had modified it to the moon, then, put it all back stock, and returned it! I wish I had that kind of energy today.

[chris200x]

I'd love to see a pic of that bike. or any of those old school racers. I was wondering if you can scan some old articles of intrests (perhaps some of your all time favorites) and we can get some untold stories. :naughty:

[slothminx]

I managed to find a buck for stickers, will one be enough for your you to post back here?

Will

[oldfart]

I only have a few 3Wheeling stickers left gang. This last bunch, I really had to dig to the bottom of the box of misc stickers. So, you can still send $1 for two, but you gotta include a stamped envelope as well! No more $5 orders please.

I really don't want to scan any old magazine layouts... Not a good idea. You guys need to find some old issues on e-bay, or at the swap meets. There's some really cool stuff in those old isssues. By the way, I am going to visit Tracey Dickson this weekend, in Charlotte, NC. TD is now working with a huge NASCAR team.

[atcfreak85]

Recieved stickers today!!:w00t: :Bounce Thanks Dean! -Mark

[oldfart]

I had a chance to visit Tracey Dickson in Charlotte, North Carolina last weekend. TD is now head of the fabrication department for Wood Brothers Racing..... NASCAR! He has about 25 guys under him, and I saw no less than 50+ race cars in the shop on this weekend. With over 100,000 sq. ft. polished epoxy floors, dyno room, and equipment you just could not believe... What a huge investment!

Anyway, Dickson is still doing commericals for Honda, mostly large utility stuff in the mountains and deserts. He's too large for the smaller sport 4-wheelers, so he does a lot of 4x4 rock climbing for the spots. They do a lot of helicopter shots chasing him, which are way cool. In one shot, they used a helicopter to lift the Honda 4x4 to the edge of a massive cliff. Then, brought Tracey down by harness to the spot, so he could stand next to the Honda. The helicopter then flew around him 360 degrees. He said the prop wash was only about 4 ft away! But they pay really well!

[Bryan Raffa]

thats a great story about the Z!!!!! Did it look any thing like this?:naughty:

[TheGreg]

got any stickers left? if so ill send out imdiatly :)

[3WheelsOva4]

Sounds like you were one lucky man I bet you had a blast.

[oldfart]

Stickers are still available.... a few left..

Okay guys, who knows what "Moto Lube" was, and where was it used? Winner, gets a special prize from my stash.

[erectordale]

Old fart what do you have far as the Tiger 500 articles if you can remmber what issues I will add them too search for info Thanks Dale

[chris200x]

A wild guess here but was this an oil additive?

I sent you a pm about your stickers. thanks

[oldfart]

"Moto Lube" was very unique.... You will NEVER read anything about this in any ATV magazine ever! You can be sure of that. So, what was it? Hmmmm. Actually, Tracey Dickson and Mike Hallett used it, and I'm sure some of the desert racers as well. Works like a charm. But, that's all I will tell you.

[Billy Golightly]

Was it by any chance the slang term for gatoraid or some type of hydrating fluid the racers carriered with them on the extra long races?

[oldfart]

Nope, that would be too easy...

[Fox250R]

chain lube?

[firefirefire90]

Ooo Ooo Ooo...is it butt cream? HAH I just remember seeing that "monkey butt" butt powder so that immediately popped into my head. Just thinkin outside the box!

[Fox250R]

Ooo Ooo Ooo...is it butt cream? HAH I just remember seeing that "monkey butt" butt powder so that immediately popped into my head. Just thinkin outside the box!
LOLLOLLOL!

[oldfart]

WE HAVE A WINNER! Yes, Moto Lube is Vasoline! Before a long ride, Dickson and Hallet would grab a handful of the stuff, and put it, you know where! Stops the "monkey butt" and other related problems. Now you know why we couldn't talk about it in 3Wheeling!

[Billy Golightly]

Bahahaha, thats awesome.

[Dammit!]

So what did he win?

[Red Rider]

So what did he win?Probably a lifetime supply of Buttcream by Mennen! :w00t:

[firefirefire90]

So what I win dude? I hope its somethin sick! I can't wait! Unless its an old tube of "moto Lube" :lol: hah SWEET

[Fox250R]

Thats awesome! i never would of guessed lol :)

[oldfart]

You can only imagine what your butt will feel like after riding a good portion of the Baja 1000. Moto Lube (patent pending...), helps, but you still have to power-wash your riding pants afterwards. Would the winner of a brand new 1987 ATC250R please give me their mailing address for your prize.... Yeah, right. It will be cool nevertheless.

[Billy Golightly]

Hey Dean, I was just wondering, was drag racing competition that popular back in the day? Here on the eascoast its pretty popular, 300ft flat in the sand or on a loosely packed clay. You guys have hillshooting out there with the big dunes, When did that get really popular? Around the time the 250R came out I'm guessing?

[oldfart]

Sand drags were sorta big out here. Same deal, 300 ft/100 yards. Although most Team Honda guys lived at the dunes, so racing up the big dunes was a huge turn on. And there were guys who built hill shooters for the sport as well.

[chris200x]

Got my stickers yesterday THANKS! Got any more? They are great for holding my fenders together! ;)

[america]

Hey Dean, just from an experienced perspective such as yours, could you explain what you liked about one brand over another? It seems like a large portion of the fans on the site are honda enthusiasts, but Im just wondering what different things you liked and disliked about each company. Thanks in advance!
-Corey

[oldfart]

I think it has to do with how you feel in the seat. Generally for me, the Hondas were a better thought out machine and everything just fell into place. It is a combination of power delivery, balance of the vehicle, ease of control, placement of levers, pegs, thumb throttle and shape of gas tank. During the early '80s, I felt that the KLTs were just not up to par with the rest. The early Tri-Motos were terrible in so many ways, but they had some serious obsticles to overcome just to offer any type of 3wheeler that wouldn't break Honda's patents.

For me, being 6'-1 and all legs, many of the ATCs just fit me better, and I generally liked riding in the sand, so from riding time, the Hondas just worked better for me. Of my all-time fav list, here are some of models I rode the most; US90, ATC 185S, ATC 200X, ATC 350X, ATC 250R, along with the Tri-Z. Going into the Quads, I would say Suzuki 250, Fourtrax 250R, Moto-4 200 Yamaha, and Fourtrax 200. And then, we stopped riding....

We had less problems with Hondas than the rest, Yamaha was not that easy with work with, Kawaski never had anything in stock or their test bikes were falling apart, and Suzuki just didn't have much in the 3wheeler era. I can also say that some of the test bikes were not production pieces, and I'm sure they were handbuilt, hand-selected jewels.... that's why we often bought them, just because they were so nicely put together. Hope this helps.

[america]

I think it has to do with how you feel in the seat. Generally for me, the Hondas were a better thought out machine and everything just fell into place. It is a combination of power delivery, balance of the vehicle, ease of control, placement of levers, pegs, thumb throttle and shape of gas tank. During the early '80s, I felt that the KLTs were just not up to par with the rest. The early Tri-Motos were terrible in so many ways, but they had some serious obsticles to overcome just to offer any type of 3wheeler that wouldn't break Honda's patents.

For me, being 6'-1 and all legs, many of the ATCs just fit me better, and I generally liked riding in the sand, so from riding time, the Hondas just worked better for me. Of my all-time fav list, here are some of models I rode the most; US90, ATC 185S, ATC 200X, ATC 350X, ATC 250R, along with the Tri-Z. Going into the Quads, I would say Suzuki 250, Fourtrax 250R, Moto-4 200 Yamaha, and Fourtrax 200. And then, we stopped riding....

We had less problems with Hondas than the rest, Yamaha was not that easy with work with, Kawaski never had anything in stock or their test bikes were falling apart, and Suzuki just didn't have much in the 3wheeler era. I can also say that some of the test bikes were not production pieces, and I'm sure they were handbuilt, hand-selected jewels.... that's why we often bought them, just because they were so nicely put together. Hope this helps.

Yes, it does very much. Thanks for replying! :TrikesOwn

[trikes4life]

after being on this site for 1 year and i never noticed this thread. It took 3 complete hours of reading and i finished it. i got to say this is the best thing i have ever, ever read on this sport. I was born in 1987 and never lived the life of a trike rider untill 1994. Than it was to late, Dean it was a blast to hear some of the stories and to learn about other riders, and the best part where about the machines. The stuff you seen with your eyes, i would give i life to see, and the stuff you had in your possesion, priceless. Wish i would of been around to see it. Dean are u still with us.

[bigred1981]

your like a God of three- wheelers. You've done and seen things i'm sure that me.. and many many others have only dream of

[Billy Golightly]

Hey Dean, I asked Mike this same question, but..do you recall when you first seen a dirtbike to three-wheeler conversion out in the wild? What was it and was it done well? Were they ever that popular?

[Chevy200s]

Hey Dean, great thread, I really enjoyed reading it. I had a question, my friend gave me an old Kawasaki kx 250, its one of the aircooled ones from the late 70's I believe. The motor looks a lot like the one on my 1983 aircooled atc 250R. I was wondering if you knew if Kawasaki ever made any prototypes or designs for an aircooled sport trike before the 1984 kxt with this motor. Sorry if this has already been asked in the past, just popped into my head, lol. Thanks!

[oldfart]

Sorry for the long delay in getting back on this forum. The only air-cooled Kawaski 250 that I saw was at the 1981 SCORE Riverside Off-Road Championships. This was the big debut of all the ATCs in front of a large off-road crowd, and of course, Honda 250R was the thing. But, unknown to all of us, when the first round of practice came out on Friday, there was a green Kawaski out there running around with full suspension and a decent amount of power! Well, after that flew by us a few times, once the first practice was compelted, we high tailed it back to the pits and went looking for their camp. But, it was no where to be found. What we later found out was, Lee Rogers of Kawaski R&D had brought this prototype trike out without anyone seeing it. And right after the practice, they locked it back in their box van. When Lee saw me walking around with a camera, he went and got into the truck. I never did see that trike close up. As you know now, Kawaski didn't come out with thier own production 250 until year later (only wished they had installed a counterbalancer in that engine!) I think I lost a few tooth fillings riding that one for a weekend.

What I find most interesting about this thread, now 50,000+ strong!, wow!, is that when we were in the middle of the '80s, we always looked forward to see what was about to come out next. But here, years later, most of you are looking back at what was going on then. Hmmmm. I believe that '85 and '86 were probably the best years, or just before the Quads came on strong. Although in '81 when the 250R was out, the ATV industry went full throttle almost instantly. Seeing the first 250Rs running at the 1981 Parker 400 Off-Road race was incredible. Now that was a great experience. And for us at 3Wheeling Magazine, when we beat Team Honda at the '83 Baja 500, and won the Overall ATC class, on a little ATC200X, well, it just doesn't get much better.

[Chevy200s]

Very cool, thanks Dean!

[Darius1502]

Dean,

I remember your great editorials. So really the '87 did exist?

Your quote:

"Up to about 1988, I can safely say that I rode nearly every production ATV that was produced up to that time, and many prototypes that never were built for production. I rode the Honda ATC200R, Honda ATC450R and many other "secret" projects. The 1987 ATC250R with white plastic? Yup, that one too."

[oldfart]

As far as I can remember, I did ride the '87 ATC250R. It was purchased by an ATC rider/racer, who traveled across the U.S. boarder into Canada and bought it for his own use, and then brought it back into the States. We hooked up with him, and that's how I rode that particular ATC. As I recall, it was basically the same as the '86, but with different plastic. I don't have a clue to how many were built by Honda.

[whipit]

I still flip through some of my old 3wheeling mags from time to time, good stuff!!

[BigGreenMachine]

As far as I can remember, I did ride the '87 ATC250R. It was purchased by an ATC rider/racer, who traveled across the U.S. boarder into Canada and bought it for his own use, and then brought it back into the States. We hooked up with him, and that's how I rode that particular ATC. As I recall, it was basically the same as the '86, but with different plastic. I don't have a clue to how many were built by Honda.


Thats some solid info Dean, thanks for sharing about the infamous 87 R.

Ever throw a leg over an 85 Tecate with a KX500 motor in it?

[oldfart]

No on the KLT 500... I like having my limbs attached and working properly... Thank you very much.

[triker111]

Yea i dont blame you old fart woohoo. Hope you can share some more stories sometime.Or any other little tid bits of info.:beer

[triker111]

Hey dean i know youve probably been asked this before but did you ever get to see an 87 350x by any chance. Just curious well thanks again.

[freeze_sucka]

here a site that has the specs of some atc's. it has the specs on the 87' 250r, the 87' 350x, 87' 250sx, and 87' 250es. http://www.atcheaven.com/Model_ids_p4.htm

[gravelord]

dean i really hope your still reading this forum post, i was just wondering what state you live in ? would you happen to have any old race photos of any prototypes? one question that im really curious about, someone told me there was supposed to be a dual sport ATC released, that was a 500cc 4-stroke and honda never got to release it, do you know any thing about this, or about any one ever making any ATC's dual sport? thanks please reply.

[oldfart]

I live in Vista, California, which is about 30 miles north of San Diego.... birthplace of the ATV industry.

Any old photos I took during the years of publishing 3Wheeling would be back at the office, and I can tell you, there are thousands of them! There were times I saw some of these prototype ATCs, but was asked not to take any photo of them....

Dual Sport ATCs? Do you mean street and off-road? No way Jose. Honda hated the fact that some ATCs were converted to street use. What an insurance headache for sure on that one.

I try to read this forum when I can, but during the summer months, I am on the road so much, that I really don't have time to spend telling old stories. But I do check in from time to time. I'm glad Mike Coe is around here. He was there from Day one as well.

[v2comp]

I havent been here in a while, but when I saw your post I felt rejuvinated.
I started riding and racing 3 wheelers in 1984, I was 15....my first bike was a 84 200x. I had a curtis sparks cam and pipe on it as well as a bigger carb... after growing up with dirtbikes, the transition to 3 wheels was difficult in the beginning to say the least. I persevered however to the most enjoyable time in my life. while I cant claim the notoriaty of the "oldfart" and didnt have the luck to have been living in california back then, I did all I could do at the time for the sport of atv racing and riding.
The closest I ever came to my dream was at a AATVA National event in TN. I met Marty Hart, Stevie Wright, Jimmy White ,Mike Coe and Curtis Sparks along with several other of the best 3 wheeler racers in the world (ever).
I have pictures from that race as well as several others on the east coast I attended but didnt get to race in.
I also owned in order: 1985 200x, 1985 250SX, 1985 AND 86 250Rs, and a 86 Kawasaki Tecate
PS, My youngest son is now 16 and has only just last week got to ride a three wheeler (1985 250SX) for the first time. after about twenty minutes of riding and trying not to run over his leg, he stopped to tell me it was the most fun thing he had ever ridden. (difficult at first) but extremely fun.
sorry about the long post..........just seeing someone I remember post made the experiences seem like they were yesterday.(almost)

[BigGreenMachine]

You should scan those pictures v2comp and post them up on the forum. If you don't know how to post them I could do it for you. Send them to James_escortracing@msn.com

[v2comp]

I will for sure next week when I get back in town.......
Last weekend I went to Nashville TN for the AMA Supermoto races and had a blast. they had Quads on sunday and the other amateur classes that day too. I have to say that watching a Fourtrax 450 go around that track setup for supermoto was awesome. they must have been doing 90 mph at least around the oval.

[Captainuno]

Hey Dean,
I was down in Imperial Valley last week and of course had to go to Camacho's for some of that good Mexican food. I ran into Brett Driscole & his wife. I told him about the website and that I traded post with you, a big smile came to his face. He said he still keeps in touch with you every once in a while.
He has taken over his fathers clothing store and does our shirts for our racing club. He said he has moved back down to IV after living in San Diego for a while.

You 2 ought to get together and come out and watch some desert racing, D38 is back with a vengence. The schedual is in the website below in my signature. Craig Corda comes out and runs sweep for us once in a while. Greg Row is back racing with us along with his son.

Best Regards,

Kirk Hester

[oldfart]

Only a true, long-time resident of El Centro, California would know about Camacho's Mexican Food. The only way a non-local could ever stubble across this place if, they were totally lost! Brett and Mike Driscoll took me there years ago, and it was at night. To this day, I don't think I could find it even during the daylight hours. Great carne asada!

The Driscolls are just the best. I slept on Mike and Laural's couch so many times during our many desert trips, I lost count. We rode early ATCs, faster 250Rs, killer Quads, and Jet Skis by the score. Honda's, Yamaha's, Huskie's, Kawaski's, Tiger's.... you name it, they had them. Mike and Laural's old house/converted barn in Seeley, was reported to be haunted, and Tracey Dickson did not like staying there.... And to think, we got paid to do all that!

[BigGreenMachine]

Awsome! Love reading this thread, over and over!

[Tecate250]

All this hype over the 87 250r and 350x> Was there ever a 88 Tecate 3 prototype? Would it have the same fate as the quad with that pos 6 speed counterbalanced K.I.P.S motor?

[oldfart]

Boy that's a good one. I really don't think KW had much on the drawing boards for an '88 250 3-wheeler. At that time, most of the manufacturers were flat scared of the CPSC, and didn't know what was going to happen next. 3-Wheeler sales were such a hot potato, that most of them didn't want to have anything to do with high performance, jumping, wheelies, or getting sideways. In fact, one P.R. rep asked us not to show any (Honda) in the air! Guys, the ATV industry almost went away for good! Certainly they threw in the towel on 3-wheelers in hopes to have a future market with Quads. Those were some really dark days... when the factories dropped out of racing, no support, no sponsorships, and limited ads in the magazine. All they wanted to promote was "farm" vehicles, camping, trailing riding and hunting.... not exactly my/our cup of tea. I guess that's why all of us on ATV Sports just wanted the book to go away, it wasn't fun any longer. I recall our last ride at El Mirage dry lake, when Phil, Bruce, Tim, Matt and I went out and rode what we had in the backroom, and called it a day. Haven't been in an ATV much more than a few minutes since that day, almost eighteen years ago....

[Liquid-Darkness]

Welcome aboard!! We all hope you enjoy the site ( and visit a bunch too ).
I am sure you will get a ton of questions. lol

This should bring back some memories:
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/MagScans/C3Wheeling1980m01SpringPage01CoverThumb.jpg

Larger version:

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/MagScans/C3Wheeling1980m01SpringPage01Cover.jpg

Howdy

I wish I could read one of those old magazines.

[oldfart]

I still recall shooting that cover layout for our first issue of 3Wheeling. We took all the Team BAP to 24th Street, in National City, just off the 5 freeway south of downtown San Diego. At that time, you could ride your ATC on a small section of flat sand, right next to the loading docks. It was fun for a quick 1-2 hour ride in the afternoon, but they had to close it. Things were getting really crazy there on weekends. During the various action shots, all of the team member were riding around, and I remember they ended up bending two or three rear axles that day, but no one crashed! If you look at the ATC in the air, you will notice there is a hole in his team BAPP/JT Racing jersey (arm pit). Joe (the head of Big Al's Performance Products), went nuts when he saw that cover shot and the shirt looked like crap! Those photos were taken in late 1979, probably in the fall.

[Howdy]

I still recall shooting that cover layout for our first issue of 3Wheeling. We took all the Team BAP to 24th Street, in National City, just off the 5 freeway south of downtown San Diego. At that time, you could ride your ATC on a small section of flat sand, right next to the loading docks. It was fun for a quick 1-2 hour ride in the afternoon, but they had to close it. Things were getting really crazy there on weekends. During the various action shots, all of the team member were riding around, and I remember they ended up bending two or three rear axles that day, but no one crashed! If you look at the ATC in the air, you will notice there is a hole in his team BAPP/JT Racing jersey (arm pit). Joe (the head of Big Al's Performance Products), went nuts when he saw that cover shot and the shirt looked like crap! Those photos were taken in late 1979, probably in the fall.

That is some funny stuff right there, I never noticed it until now ( I bet others didn't notice it either ).

Dean, Just wanted to Thank You again for the "Project ATC" and your presence here on the web site. I would like to personally invite you to Trikefest some time. I think you would find out just how gung-ho many of us are towards 3 Wheelers. It's like turning back the calender to 1985 or so. It will bring out the kid in ya. lol
Howdy

[oldfart]

Howdy, it is fun to read some of the posting here on this web site. Amazing how the interest is still around for the 3Wheeler..... Hope you are making progress on the ATC Project. I still have a lot of junk up in the rafters and stashed away. When I get my new shop built, and move from one garage to the other, I will get all this together, and go wild on e-bay. Remind me when the next Trikefest is, and where. You never know....

[Howdy]

Dean, I have the Project ATC put together and running. That thing sounds better in person than words can say. WOW!! I haven't done much more than some polishing and cleaning so far. But I do get a lot of ooh's and aah's when people see it. I will email you more info on it as things come together in a month or 2. ;)

Trikefest2007 will be June 21-24th, 2007 at Haspin Acres in Laruel, Indiana. Some of us get there a few days early to have extra fun. lol
Howdy

[oldfart]

Here is a photo I took back in 1978, at the first 3Wheeler and Odyssey Nationals, Lake Elsinore, CA. Guess who that rider with the number 2 plate is? Would you believe that is Mark Waxieldorfer! This was taken at the sand drag portion of the event. Curtis Sparks was also there, as well as Bob "Ace" Williams.

[Curtis-Tecate3]

Dean, Thanks for checking in and posting from time to time. I can't speak for everyone but lots of us really enjoy your contributions.

I still have all of my old magazines from 80-87 but some of the choice photos are missing as I used to cut them out and tape them to my bedroom walls when I was a young teenager.

Any chance that you could post the famous photo of Dean Sundahl flat tracking the 1st gen 250R hanging off so far that he was nearly dragging his butt. It was a center fold 2 pager if memory serves and probably real hard to scan but thought I would ask.

It might be my all time favorite 3 wheeler photo.

Thanks again for your contributions,

Curtis.

[Billy Golightly]

Look at that, that is so cool. A scene from history in the moment that started the entire ATV competition craze. Awesome, just awesome.

[Bryan Raffa]

YES! indeed Verry Cool!! I hope you can join us this year!! campfire storys are the best...even better at Trike Fest!!

[Chevy200s]

Remind me when the next Trikefest is, and where. You never know....

That would be too cool. I went last year for my first time ever and I can tell ya, its unlike anything I've ever experienced. I thought I heard the sound of 2stroke in my ears for days after I got back, haha. It would be awesome if you could come, and if you dont have a trike by then I would have one you could use, and I'm sure everyone else would be more than happy to lend you theirs. Only a few more months...:beer

[driscoll333]

this is brett driscoll, dean kirsten told me this forum was something to check out. its cool to see the posts on here. hey Coe whats been going down? well i miss all those 3wheelin days. i still do business with Sparks. Sundahl is in my desert once in a while. i saw Wright in san diego last summer. i talked to Dickson 1 year ago. and Corda is still the funniest guy around.

[Curtis-Tecate3]

Brett,

Let me be the first to offer you a warm welcome to the site. We have many, many members with lots of young people that may not recognize you but there are plenty of "Seasoned" people like myself on here that will truly appreciate input from a pioneer & veteran of our 3 wheeling sport. I for one very much look forward to anything that you are willing to share with us from the good old days.

Curtis.

[Tecate250]

OMG The man himself. Wow I can't believe legends are actually finding there way here. You guys know this thread Just got another 40 some pages from bret.
Its funny how I had no heros till I grew up. Trike fest just keeps burning a hole in my heart.

[Billy Golightly]

Awesome, great to have you on the forum Brett! I hope you'll stick around and see how much of a following three-wheelers still have today, and how many people appreciate the presence of another "old school" racer on the forum. Thanks for joining and posting.

[Tecate250]

Look hes at the back of the pack:lol: :lol: :lol:
jk

[Bryan Raffa]

Brett, welcome to the site!!! hope ya come back often to share some memorys!!!

[Old 179]

Welcome Brett,
Please wet the appetite of our "yamaha" members of your "1985 Tri-Z factory ride". Top three at "Scores" Riverside International comes to mind!
Also fill in our members about your great success in the desert! Baja 500 ,@1000,
Parker 400?,ect. I believe Honda was under you for most these races.

[driscoll333]

anything you guys want to ask , just fire away. i will stick around as long as you want me to. i will see about getting some other old pro's on here. i saw a post about the fastest 3wheeler made . i would say the mugen 360 kit was the baddest animal. and then the husqavarna "prototype" 6 speed. only tracey dickson and I were the only riders to ever race them. only 2 built.

[chris200x]

This just keeps getting better and better! :w00t: WELCOME!! :welcome: I'm looking forward to any old stories or pics you will share with us.

[Billy Golightly]

Brett, could we get you to start your own thread like Mike did? I got LOTS of Tri-Z setup questions for ya :naughty:

[driscoll333]

honda never helped me. not sure why?

[driscoll333]

riverside was the scariest track EVER. wide open with zero visability

[driscoll333]

the tri-z days were awsome..... sure i can start a new thread

[Old 179]

Hey Brett,
What did you think of the 85 Tri-Z? First year model had thier flaws. My 6'3" frame felt great. (Honda"s felt cramped) I had a hard time keeping it together.
When it ran, it was fast. The power ban was to my taste of riding.
Do you wish Yamaha invested more in thier race program to compete with the reds and greens? Tell use about your factory ride
Thanks

[Old 179]

honda never helped me. not sure why?

I ment to say "a" Honda was under you. not " Factory Honda " Sorry!

[driscoll333]

the tri-z was an inferior bike to honda's, but with a few thousand $ you could make it close. im 6' and it felt great. but the yshould have never moved the gas tank. the fuel pump never worked right with tricked out motors. and the suspension (especially the forks) was always a problem. my forks were worked honda 200x. (compliments from stevie "2 tight" wright). if factory honda would have found out, it would have got ugly for 2 tight!!!!!HAHAHA

[Tecate250]

Did you use the original seat while your whole racing career or did you convert to the tank on the cross bar, or tri-z speaking, bars?
You mentioned the mugen 360? What is this? A new trike we do not know about?

[driscoll333]

we fabricated an aluminum tank where the tank usually goes, right between your knees. for off-road we ran a thicker seat. and for short course and speedway we used the stock seat. the 360 mugen kit was before yamaha tri-z. it was a big bore kit for the honda 81 thru 85, i think. fast fast fast

[Old 179]

Did you use the original seat while your whole racing career or did you convert to the tank on the cross bar, or tri-z speaking, bars?
You mentioned the mugen 360? What is this? A new trike we do not know about?


360 was a big bore kit made by Mugan. It was adapted from the use on the honda cr 250 dirtbike. $700 for the kit. (1981 Dollars)(Cylinder head, cylinder, piston, rings. mikuni powerjet 36mm carb., reed valves, intake manifold, clutch spring kit, ect. Stock crank was used, Bore was changed from 70 to 83.5 mm.
Crank cases were split and milled to except the new cylinder. cost of another $150

[HondaHarry]

http://www.vintagefactory.com/mugen_shop1.htm

read and learn. :cool:

[Old 179]

http://www.vintagefactory.com/mugen_shop1.htm

read and learn. :cool:


Good info. That is for dirt bikes only.

They had the atc mugan kit. Thier ads were in Dirt wheels and 3Wheeling mags
81-84 (our bibles) My mention was out of the Dirt Wheel, Sept 81 issue, pages 42-43 artical. Atc kit included the 36 carb where the dirt bike must of had the 36 already on the bike! The same pamplet for the machining is in both kits.

[driscoll333]

yeah, i think i had to travel to hesperia CA . and pick everything up. I was teamed with craig corda on that bike. we won the parker 400 SCORE, that year. . that motor was vicious.

[Tecate250]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[mad_max]

Dean, I saw a pic of the "europen tour" jacket over on Driscolls thread...
Whats the story behind that?

[oldfart]

In 1985, Brett Dirscoll, his dad Mike, and I went to Rotterdam, Holland to race an indoor ATC event. This was run on a bicycle veladrome, but the ATCs ran up and down the aisles and down in the basement. The event was put on by Veronica TV, which is Holland-based, kinda like our ESPN, but they not only broadcasted these events, they promoted them as well. Veronica's Bob Dejong, paid all of our ways to have Brett race against the best Euopean ATC riders of that time.

We flew on a chartered 747 owned by Martin Air, and Brett brought along all of his tuning stuff, as there was a basic/borrowed 3-wheeler for him to ride. That event was on TV all over Europe.

Later on that same year, we came back to Holland for the big beach race at Scheveningen, and Brett and others, rode again.

Now about the jacket. Brett as you may know, is the king of silk screening in the Imperial Valley, so making up some custom jackets was too easy for him. The European Tour was about having some riders form American come over to Holland and race against the European riders. The other jacket, was his Factory-Tri logo, when he was making parts for the Tri-Z. I think either of those jackets have only been worn only a few times. Brett also made up custom jerseys and long-sleeve T-shirts for the staff. That one cover on 3Wheeling, with the night pit scene and our Dico trailer, Brett made up all the shirts for that photo session. We never had to worry about cool T-shirts, etc, when Brett was around.

[DomanD]

hellow has any 1 heard of a pacesetter 3 wheeler and if so can any 1 tell me about them

[oldfart]

Amazing what you can find when you clean out your garage! I uncovered this sign from 1981. After 3Wheeling and Honda ran the Parker 400, and then a month later (March 1981), the Mexicali 250, we showed the ATCs at the annual SCORE show at Anaheim. This was the sign I had made up to display that famous ATC250R.

As you know, Bob "Ace" Williams died a few years back, and Mike Chester has been paralyzed since 1983. Steve Wright is a successful clothing retailer based in Alpine, California.

[Bryan Raffa]

thats cool old fart.. you got alot of that kind of stuff layin around?

[firefirefire90]

What company does steve run? Oh, and did you get pictures of those sticks? I did send you my email, no?

[firefirefire90]

Did you know a Factory rider named Marty Smith. From Kawi?


A little birdie told me where to find the trike in a certain spot under a tree in Nantucketville, Santee. :drool: :drool: :drool:

GET BACK TO ME :beer :lol:

[driscoll333]

steve, owns the "out house" in a couple of malls in SD. they are like pac sun. yes, i know marty smith. i saw him 2 years ago at el cajon MX track.

[viper]

well i started reading this thread last night about 9 pm and didnt ( couldnt ) stop till i read all 40 pages ..just couldnt sem to walk away from this thread ..thank you guys for sharing your stories with us it was very cool .................shannon

[Dammit!]

Dean and driscoll333,

Do either of you guys have any good pictures of the old desert racing machines? Particularly the 1985/86 Team Honda 250Rs?

I've also heard there was some people running Tri-Z's in the desert but have never seen a picture of one. I've been wondering what they did for a larger capacity gas tank.

My next trike project is going to be a desert trike in the mold of the Team Honda machines. Finding images or any info about them is difficult though.

[dovesprings250R]

Dean and driscoll333,

Do either of you guys have any good pictures of the old desert racing machines? Particularly the 1985/86 Team Honda 250Rs?

I've also heard there was some people running Tri-Z's in the desert but have never seen a picture of one. I've been wondering what they did for a larger capacity gas tank.

My next trike project is going to be a desert trike in the mold of the Team Honda machines. Finding images or any info about them is difficult though.

I don't have any pics of the desert hondas but I raced desert on them in 85-86. I remember the desert mods were the same for most honda riders back then. The axle was run in the shortest position. 22 inch ohtsu pro vector tall profile tires. Some riders ran the wheels mounted inward to shorten the wheelbase even more to clear large rocks. Acerbis handguards, desert tanks and beefy skidplates. I don't remember what pipes the honda guys ran but other than some porting and bigger carbs the bikes weren't tweaked too much. I saw Fred Wings ( he worked for Honda and was a great desert racer) up close many times and it appeared to have longer travel than all the others but his was the only one I remember like that. It would be very cool to do a Baja set up 250R. I'll ask my buddy Denny Wolf what he ran for a tank on his tri-z. He won Barstow to Vegas in his class on a tri-z in 85 or 86. I'll post that info soon. I remember some kind of fuel reserve tank mounted as a # plate but I'm not clear anymore.

[Dammit!]

Now see, I have never heard that before about narrowing the width at all. Not sure how I feel about it actually. :lol:

I don't know if I'll ever get a chance to actually compete with it as I haven't looked into wether or not I'd be allowed to (anyone know?) but either way, I WILL build something along those lines for my own enjoyment if nothing else. It's something I've always wanted to do. I'll probably have more mods than it sounds like they did but nothing crazy. Mostly chassis/suspension stuff to make for a more forgiving ride.

ANY desert racing stories you guys have from back in the day would be great for this thread. I love reading this stuff.

[SpeedyTide]

I was a young teenager when I got my first atc...an '84 Honda ATC 110...Blue.

I quickly subscribed to DirtWheels & 3-Wheelin (ATVSports).

I still have EVERY issue I ever received!! :p

[Merriman]

DAMMIT

My uncle still has his factory 1986 ATC 250R desert race bike. IMS sold the large capacity tanks for them, and should still be available?

[abernal]

why is my flywheel not engaging

[abernal]

why is my flywheel not engaging on my honda 200es

[oldsking86]

I think your in the wrong thread buddy, try going to Trikeslyvania and start a new thread.

[rally4x4racer]

I think your in the wrong thread buddy, try going to Trikeslyvania and start a new thread.
:lol:

definately..

[gaukel350x]

I remember my first 3 wheeler, it was like love at first sight.

[ATCT]

Hey, Dean, hope you still check us out from time to time.

I thought you'd like to know that your magazine is really expensive. The last issue I bought ran me $30.

Damn that eBay....:lol:

[Old 179]

Hey, Dean, hope you still check us out from time to time.

I thought you'd like to know that your magazine is really expensive. The last issue I bought ran me $30.

Damn that eBay....:lol:

Tri-z guys would like this copy. This was first pictures "sneak preview" of the 85 Tri-Z.
Not bad for a $2 news stand issue. I must be sitting on a gold mine, on all those
issues from several mag and paper sources!!!!!!!!!

[oldfart]

Hey Guys.... Been away too long with too many irons in the fire, and enough time to enjoy them all. Here is an old photo from the distant past... Can you name any of the players? Enjoy, Dean

[CoeShow]

Dean,
I think I can name 5 of the players. Darryl Bassani, Jimmy White, Lance Bryson, Marty Hart, and I "think" Bruce Simurda? How'd I do?

Mike

[driscoll333]

coe, i think u got the ones i know,is that mickey dunlap?(front center)

[oldfart]

The guy up front is Matt Hildenberg. The guy next to Darryl Bassini is Bruce from Kawasaki. Bruce Simurda is also shown... More beer!

[81Rmachine]

So where is this photo of Dean Sundahl flat track racing a 1st gen 250r? What number was Sundahl, acually I may have seen this photo. Also I must add, both dean kirsten and brett driscoll, it is a great honor to speak with men of such great importance to the world of three-wheeling.

[1upfront]

Dean I have a question about the air cooled 250Rs. How did the different pipes stack up against one another? Was there one that stood out as clearly being "the best"? I hope that you haven't already been asked this question.
It is great to have some guys on here that can answer questions like these . Not too many people are as lucky as you to have had a job where you got to ride all of those different machines and see first hand how they all performed.

[oldfart]

Pipes are a very personal pick, some liked the Bassani for its smooth mild powerband, others like the Paul Turner for its deep sound and torque. Bill's pipes and Klemm Research both were very popular with the racers. DG were very pipey, with little low end. All depends on riding style, port work, and rpm range you wish to ride in.

[sameold]

any hints on getting clip out honda rear shock

[Billy Golightly]

Please make a new thread in the Trikesylvania forum.

[pmktm]

I have three 250Rs and the 3Wheeling mags with the test in them. Also some shoot outs with wheelers + wheelers and wheelers + quads. It is fun to read them now and again.:beer

pm

[riffermadnass]

Hey all you atcaholics.......i am just wondering if anyone knows whether a 1985 or 86 cr250 can beturned into a trike using a txr250 r swing arm....is the gas tank for a cr 250 the same as a atc 250r thanks for your help

[Red Rider]

Anything is possible with conversions. No, the gas tanks are different from CR to ATC.

[task456]

yes i remember the days also. unfortunately i could not afford tohave my own atc's soi stood by and watched my buddies enjoy theres. i would get lucky and get a few rides in here an there. well those days are over and i have quite a nice collection now. i am totally consumed with my 3 wheelers. i just recently bought a 1985 250sx with 182 miles on it. it is still brand new. when i got it shipped the transporter broke the back left corner of my fender off. needless to say i was devistated and have searched the world over for new fenders. please can anyone help. i must put this treasure back the way it was. anyway its exciting to know there are others out there who love the atc as much as me.

[peco250sx]

i was sitting in my motosport tech course the other day and my instructor was throwing out a bunch of old mags from the 80's and i asked if i could look through them and sure enough there was a bunch of 3wheeling mags sitting there i took them home and read through them seeing as these were the first ones i had seen and i came across an article about doubling up the rear tires to make a 5wheeler i was just wondering if anyone had tried this or if there were anyother weird mods that had been featured in the mag before.

[drsung]

New to the forum and new to this thread. What an awesome read!

I realize this thread is 5 years old now, but do you still have stickers left??

Thanks!

[200Maniac]

wow, this site is great!...

I got a trike in 84 (was 10 years old) and loved 3Wheeling.. bought it every month I think right up until the last issue of ATVSports...

I think the first issue I got was July 84 - the cover had a 200x being refuelled by the pit crew in Baja. A girl was holding a sign with a message to the rider : "Get your skirt off!".


I also read DirtWheels and 3&4Wheel Action, but they didn't have the same level of quality (sorry to anyone involved with those magazines).

[1RMASON]

my first issue of 3wheeling winter 1980 it had the new 1981 250r on the front. I still have to this day. What great memories.its great to hear your still around loved your magazine. i currently own a 07 suzuki ltr 450 , and 1983 185s all orig right down to the tires. i just spent the weekend at glamis and rode the 185 all over . its a head turner,mostly by old guys like me. thanks for the great site. ron

[KingGlamis]

What a trip reading this thread. I was a subscriber of 3Wheeling magazine from 1982 to the very end of ATV Sports. Got my first ATC in '83, a 185S. I was a huge fan of the magazine and was very sad to see it go.

Fast forward to 1998. I got a job working for Sand Sports magazine in the same office as Dean. I was in Heaven workin' in the same office as the famed 3Wheeling. And of course they had every issue in the archives and I would often read many of them.

I think it's awesome that this thread has lasted several years and is still going.

Now I'm in AZ and do freelance work for a couple of other magazines. Anyway, just want to chime in. Great thread!

Doug Dixon

[Tecate250]

How about making a 3 wheeler mag? I think it would shoot right off. You could get all your info right here on 3ww and 3w.org.
Where is the old fart at anyways?

[KingGlamis]

How about making a 3 wheeler mag? I think it would shoot right off. You could get all your info right here on 3ww and 3w.org.
Where is the old fart at anyways?

I wish. Feel lucky that we have this web site. Specialty magazines are very hard to produce that make a profit, especially one for 3 wheelers where there are very few companies that make products for them these days. For anyone that's not aware, what you pay for a magazine doesn't even pay for the ink on the pages. It's the advertisers that pay the bills to produce a magazine.

[Tecate250]

Yes but people like ricky stator and maier ect that still make parts. All of those parts that right now are just becomming discontinued. Short track gas tanks ect.
Sorry about high jacking the thread.

[killerklown]

This has to be one of the best thread reads... I just zoned for about 90 minutes on this little beauty. I better get back to work. Thanks for the great stories, hope you stick around!
Later

[harryredtrike]

do i remember?hell yea loved that mag.

[plumbnutz]

Hello I am a new member that just bought my first trike in about 12 years. Can't get spark. Just wondering if any body would know where to start. No spark at the coil. The person I bought it from changed the CDI unit but it did not help. Wondering if the brain box would be the next place to go and a place to find one. If I can get a coil and brain it would be perfect. I build hot rods for a hobby but finally realized how much I miss the old dirt in your smile feeling. Thanks for your advice and if anyone ever wants to port, polish and fine tune their top end I know the correct way from experience. Can't wait to take the old girl for a ride with my six year old. Never to young to love your trike.
:)

[bigblock61]

i have a copy of the premier issue

[titeline22]

Hey Dean, do you know were to get fender and tank decals for a 1983 honda atc 70 christmas special ? Thanks

[oldfart]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-ATC-70-Gas-Tank-stickers-5-pcs-ATV-decals-logos_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQ hashZitem27aa9529b9QQitemZ170365626809QQptZMotorsQ 5fATVQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-ATC70-Honda-ATC-70-Rear-Fender-Decal-Sticker_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14 QQhashZitem27aaa81f27QQitemZ170366869287QQptZMotor sQ5fATVQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

[oldfart]

As many of you know, 3Wheeling magazine became ATV Sports magazine later in life. Although even that didn't last long.....

Today, I saw a letter from the publishers of ATV Sport (no relationship to us!), that they are no longer going to publish that magazine.....

[Bretmd94]

I'm new to the forums. Dean this thread is a great source of 3 wheeling history. I read through it twice and I want to thank you for sharing the stories. I grew up on 3 wheelers and last week bought a great condition 85 250r. This recession has really brought out some good finds on craigslist.

[GTackett]

Recently I was cleaning out the attic and decided to get rid of some of my old magazines. I glanced on ebay and saw a market for some. Hardly any of the street bike, dirt bike, car, or 4x4 magazines sold, but man have the 3-Wheeling and Dirt Wheels magazines been selling.

I'm not trying to promote my ebay sales, but just wanted to say that I'm glad it appears these magazines are going to people who are still interested in 3-wheelers and the sport some how seems to still be hanging in there. Which is amazing considering the race trikes were only made for about 3 years.

Greg

[wheelyking]

i have 1 1985 tri z 250 that is having a runing problem braking up at full trottle i need some help .has good compression and new carb

[Beerside]

I scored this on ebay for only about 20 bucks!! I couldn't believe that nobody else bid on it. It is in Mint uncirculated condition!!
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr186/beerside/IMG_1789.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr186/beerside/IMG_1790.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr186/beerside/IMG_1791.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr186/beerside/IMG_1792.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr186/beerside/IMG_1793.jpg

[Curtis-Tecate3]

I have that one too...

I must be sitting on a small fortune if that was $20.00....

Curtis.

[GTackett]

I recently cleaned my attic of about 50 Dirtwheels and 3wheeling magazines via ebay. I didn't really want to get rid of them, but they are being enjoyed again instead of boxed up in my attic.

Those with articles of the racing 3-wheelers (250Rs, Tecates, Tri-Zs)drew the most attention.

Some of the older magazines didn't draw as much attention.

I guess you never know.....

Greg T.

[Beerside]

Thanks GT, I got your Nov. and July '85 issues. I love reading and looking at the old articles.

[GTackett]

Thanks GT, I got your Nov. and July '85 issues. I love reading and looking at the old articles.

Yeah, I flipped through most everyone of them before shipping them out.

~ I saved a couple to look through every so often.....

[inv3ctiv3]

I'd really like to get some old mags as I was just too young to be able to buy them myself back then but can't justify spending $20+ per mag.

[GTackett]

I'd really like to get some old mags as I was just too young to be able to buy them myself back then but can't justify spending $20+ per mag.


I believe BusterBrown has scanned some entire magazines and posted on this site. But, it is still very cool to have the original magazines to flip through.

[inv3ctiv3]

I believe BusterBrown has scanned some entire magazines and posted on this site. But, it is still very cool to have the original magazines to flip through.

Oh I am all about printed media, I like actually having it.

[Beerside]

Oh for pete sakes Inv3ctiv3!!! You mean to tell me you live in Santa Barbara, Ca. and you can't afford a vintage 20 dollar magazine? Which by the way will at the very least hold it's value. So actually there's no real loss. Come on now Inv3...sack up!! :lol:

[inv3ctiv3]

Oh for pete sakes Inv3ctiv3!!! You mean to tell me you live in Santa Barbara, Ca. and you can't afford a vintage 20 dollar magazine? Which by the way will at the very least hold it's value. So actually there's no real loss. Come on now Inv3...sack up!! :lol:

No I could, I just want a bunch of them haha :beer

[trikerooster]

The best magazine ever! They should sell them still.

KEEPIN IT OLD SCHOOL

[trikerooster]

Awsome magazine.

[Wish4NSX]

Hi guys,
I've thoroughly enjoyed reading this forum. Looks like I'm a little late to the party.
I posted a picture of a poster that is at one of my Honda dealers. Has some great signatures on it. Enjoy it everyone!

84518

[shortline10]

Hi guys,
I've thoroughly enjoyed reading this forum. Looks like I'm a little late to the party.
I posted a picture of a poster that is at one of my Honda dealers. Has some great signatures on it. Enjoy it everyone!

84518

Great old poster . I remember when Mike Coe signed mine he said he always signs the sweet spot in the middle T :lol:

[jays375]

Just joined the forum.Talking to a friend of mine who had a major collection of 3Wheel action magazines probally 10 years worth.Had is the key word here.They were all packed away safely in boxes in his mothers attic.Well his brother found them and ebayed them on him.Think they went in one lump sum.When he recently looked up what they go for he was really mad.He would rather have them than the money though.Wish I still had all the old brocheures posters and magazines.Even had some clothing some where geniune Honda stuff.

[Cadaver Dog]

Too bad it is such a small market relatively but it would be sweet if the whole run could be reprinted in some sort of bound editions for each year. But try convincing anyone that such a thing wouldn't be a big comercial dud. I really liked all the oddball conversions and things people did back in the day.

[jeffs250Russell]

Welcome. I'm sure you will be busy here..I got my first trike because of dirt wheels, reason beeing My mon got sick of all the pages picturing the 250R and 200X taped to my walls in my bedroom back in 1985..My whole room was covered along with a photo album..I ended up with a brand new 200X.Never will I forget that day.;))

[huntinpecker]

Hey 3WheelerWorld, Mike Hallett here. I ran into Brett Driscoll at a D-38 dez race last weekend, swapped some old stories and Dean Kirsten's name came up and he told me about this site. He also said he and Dean both post now and again, and I thought I would give it a go. Tech talk ain't my deal, tales of the trail are more my style. Tracey Dickson and Dean Kirsten took a big chance when they offered me a seat, on the 3 Wheeling Magazine project 200x. I could never thank them enough. What a ride. The pic is from the San Diego Stadium in 1981, 3 lb. pneumatic suspension, Osha approved steel toe boots and all. I left a chunk of my hide around center field that day. I found out how good I wasn't.

-Mike

P.S. My daughter typed this cause I suck with the computer.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/misskch2/DSC03220.jpg

[driscoll333]

great old school pic... no suspension , street bike helmet and work boots.... that's the way us old privateers had to do it... hey mike what was your racing budget for the entire year?..

[DixiePlowboy]

Cool pic, Mike. Memories and reminders of the good old days of 3-wheeler racing are always read and re-read when I come across them.

Back then, all the locals and farm boy-racers secretly wanted(well...not so secretly:)) wanted to at least hang with those in the inner circle. To bench race, get tips, ....etc., while daydreaming of coming one step closer to riding with the names in the magazines.

That's why so many of us read these threads over and over again.

Having Brett, Mike Coe, Dean, and Scott Steger here is like a music junky getting on a guitar forum and being able to talk to Eddie Van Halen, Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top, the creator of Rolling Stone Magazine, and the owner of Fender Guitars Inc.

[Curtis-Tecate3]

Welcome Mike,

Thanks for posting and keep your daughter around to type up some memories to share with us.

Curtis.

[huntinpecker]

Brett, it made my weekend to see you and your folks at the race. It also inspired me to call Deano. It had been 20 years since we last talked. He's still a gem. In 1986, 3W Magazine attempted to set the first ATV endurance record with Tracey Dickson, the magazine staff, and myself on an 86' 250R Quad. We did 866.5 miles in 24 hours. Fud ran the event, and Dean still had my plaque! 24 years later I now have proof. He sent it to me last week. Thanks Deano.

On my racing budget, Goodwill had everything I needed. The pic is hardtail to racebike, my buddy Mark Webber aka Wingnut installed the high performance ATC swing arm and triple clamp with TM 125 forks, desert ready!

-Mike

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/misskch2/0011.jpg

[Billy Golightly]

Mike, welcome to the site! That is a great picture of the hardtail launching over that jump, I bet that was a rough landing!

Looking forward to seeing some more of your posts, when you talk to Dean again tell him to stop back by here, haven't seen him post in a while.

[Bryan Raffa]

Mike,, welcome and thanks for shareing! Killer 185s!!!!

deano sent you the plaque! ,,,, wow... got a way to get a picture of it?

[Beerside]

Here's the issue you are talking about. Later tonight I will scan the article for all to enjoy. Great to have you here!!
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr186/beerside/IMG.jpg

[driscoll333]

Hey, who's the rider on the warrior?..(its me)... I would've posted this cover myself, but I thought u guys didnt like quads.......hahaha.....

[DixiePlowboy]

Doesn't have a single 3-wheeler on it....and it's the June '86 issue. Hmmmm.

[huntinpecker]

Sweet jofa brett,bet its hard to spit tobacco juice through that bad boy.

[driscoll333]

Sweet jofa brett,bet its hard to spit tobacco juice through that bad boy.

Mike..... I hated wearing that jofa.... I think JT had an over stock of those things..haha...... It took JT over a year to produce the full face hemets...

[mxnick]

Hey guys, i have pretty much a complete collection of these mags, just about all of them, from 1980-87.

I am missing 2-3, but am scouring ebay and am pretty sure that i will find out...Good stuff! also have a complete collection of Dirtwheels, every issue printed from the inception through 87.

[xxx]

Hello, for those of you that are old enough, you might remember a publication entitled 3Wheeling Magazine, published by Wright Publishing Co, of Costa Mesa, CA. This magazine started in March 1980 with its first issue devoted to the ATC/3-wheeler market. At the time, I was the Associate Publisher/Advertising Director and co-creater of this idea (with Tom Chambers). We actually started covering the ATC market in issues of Hot VWs Magazine, back as far as 1976. We even covered ATC90 flat-track racing in the San Diego area during the late '70s.

My first "ATV" was a 1975 Honda US90, with steel front fender, and folding fork assembly. My last ATV was an ATC350X.

Up to about 1988, I can safely say that I rode nearly every production ATV that was produced up to that time, and many prototypes that never were built for production. I rode the Honda ATC200R, Honda ATC450R and many other "secret" projects. The 1987 ATC250R with white plastic? Yup, that one too.

Since the last issue of 3Wheeling/ATV Sports was published, I have not been on an ATV.... After spending the majority of my time riding, testing, building and loving 3- and 4-wheelers (nearly ten solid years), and seeing the ATV industry turn upside down by some legal morons, I could no longer enjoy my sport.

I got rid of all of my spare parts, riding apparel, ATVs and so on, in the late '80s. The only treasure I still hold on to, is my collection of factory rider helmets. This includes helmets worn by Dean Sundahl, Stevie Wright, Tracey Dickson, Mike Hallet, Mark Wiexeldorfer, Jimmy White and Mike Coe. I only wish I had one from Bob "Ace" Williams...

That is for now. I just thought some of you might like to hear from someone that was there in the beginning... before the CPSC, and lawsuit city. Sincerely, Dean Kirsten

A true sport and passtime is dead forever except in memories. Thanks for shedding some light on it.

[Beerside]

Does anyone know what was the last issue of ATV sports? And what was the reason for its demise? DirtWheels and 3&4 Wheel Action survived. Why didn't ATV sports (formely known as 3wheeling).

[jondeercowboy]

i just read all of these post. this is so interesting. i just cant comprehind honda crushing all these atc's. if i was a rider back in 87 i would have walked to canada to get a 87 250r. awsome post on here. does dean get on anymore?

[Red Rider]

Does anyone know what was the last issue of ATV sports? And what was the reason for its demise? DirtWheels and 3&4 Wheel Action survived. Why didn't ATV sports (formely known as 3wheeling).3Wheeling magazine was successful because of the 3 wheelers. Once their formula for success was taken away, the magazine simply withered on the vine.

[huntinpecker]

Three wheeler abuse

After overalling the Baja 500 in 1983, on the 3 Wheeling Magazine project 200x, Tracey Dickson and myself were contacted by factory Kawasaki asking if we would test ride their pre-production Tecate. I believe there were only 4 or 5 in the states, of course we jumped at the opportunity. In June of 83' we met the Kawi guys at Saddle Back Park in Orange County, CA. Got our riding orders: First and foremost, don't crash, they wanted wear data, and handling input from us. We started with 3 trikes, 1 guy rides while the other debriefs, 1/2 hour shifts as I recall, in 4 hours 2 of 3 were unrideable with broken frames and swingarms. The one that was rideable had a cracked frame. They kept measuing the cracks, not very comforting for the rider lucky enough to be on it when it gives up. It was like Japanese roulette. It never folded up, the following days were the same, break em' all then go home. They were some busy guys repairing those things every night to give us 3 that could be ridden the next day. It ended up being a 3 or 4 day test. My conclusion was it turned great due to steep head angle, but squirrelly at high speed. Handle bar vibration was a problem, good horsepower, but the frame would crack every 2 hours. Shortcourse trike for sure. Desert trike, only if you could tow a welder. I honestly believe the reason Honda gave us a B-team desert deal in 1984 was to keep us off the Kawi. What Honda didn't know, we wanted nothing to do with it for desert racing. The Tecate was a factor in shortcourse.

The pics are of before and after testing. Was this thing an 83, 84? I have no idea. CRS.

Mike Hallett

Before:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/misskch2/002.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/misskch2/003.jpg

After:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/misskch2/001.jpg

[Curtis-Tecate3]

Mike,

Very interesting story. Thanks so much for sharing. The second generation Tecate's are what I like and as an owner I hate to admit it but they are/were still fragile compared to the Hondas. As you said always a factor on the Short Course though. It reminds me of a story I read about Dean Sundahl where he was racing an 86 Kawasaki Tecate in Baja (or some other long distance desert race) co-riding with Lance Schoonmaker. They were literally smoking everyone by a HUGE margin and the bike began falling apart like 50 miles from the finish and resulted i believe in a DNF.

The Tecate in the photos is an 84.

Keep the stories (and photos) coming if you can.

Curtis.

[DixiePlowboy]

I think the question is one that I had years ago due to the fact that a few Tecates were on the local tracks in late '83 around here. they were still '84's, of course, but early '84's.


And I saw more than one cracked frame myself in the early days.

When the '85 R exploded onto the local scene, the Tecates thinned out. By March 1985, everyone that really wanted a Tecate was still riding them.....and everyone else had either switched or switched back to Honda.

[robindavis]

Well, well, well. I can hardly believe what I've read! Hello oldfart! It took me a few hours to get through 46 pages. And I thought about the stickers and how everyone got them...but actually...I think I still have one or two left in my sticker arsenal.

As for the magazines....I'm blown away. After reading that some of you paid money for old copies?! I have a complete set of 3Wheeling magazines stored away in a styrofoam chest and an incomplete set. I probably have three or four copies of the "first" issue with the BAP crew. I knew them all....they were the good times. I never knew they would be worth anything. I must be sitting on a land mine! OMG! I'll have to check out ebay on those and see what they are worth. Holy batman! :p

I read with gusto all the stories Dean had about the old days. Although I wasn't a part of the Honda group....those little guys from the east didn't think us girls could race...I knew each and every one of those guys and have a closet full of memories and stories. hmmmmm I also have hundreds of photos from Speedway 117 to Baja. Been there done that...took photos. Oh the stories I have. Anyone interested?! ;)

I wasn't the first cover girl of 3Wheeling...and that burned me to NO END Dean! I was the fastest chick out there and the only one racing at the time and still kicking guys butts...and they chose some "chick" and not me to be the first girl!

What great memories Dean wrote of. I knew Ace very well. I still chat with Dean Sundahl on occasion and recently connected with him on Facebook. Every name, every race, all those memories. Wow...how great were those days. It was great fun reliving them with Dean's stories. :)

I've got all these magazines...what shall I do with them?! And even double copies of most!

[driscoll333]

Hey robin, thanks for visiting this site.... U were the real deal... Racing was in your blood.... And u did kick some butt... get some pics on here... Im sure most of the guys and gals on here want to know some facts and memories about the fastest chick on 3 wheels....

[dcreel]

Yes, thank you for the old stories, it's much appreciated. We love pictures too.

[dirtbiken]

yeah glad to meet yaa.

[250rAL]

I've got all these magazines...what shall I do with them?! And even double copies of most!

Something tells me you're going to make a bunch of new friends!

[robindavis]

Something tells me you're going to make a bunch of new friends!

I'll have to get busy...dig out those old magazines....scan some photos....and get them on here. Being a newb to this board...I guess I should start a new thread with some stories. I have an album and could post photos....did a few already. You guys are real fanatics! I never knew that our history would so interesting to anyone anymore. lol cool

First little tid bit of a story...the first night I met Chip Corfman and Craig Corda at Speedway 117; We were racing old ATC 90s built back then. Corda and Corfman were the first Imperial Valley boys up at Speedway 117. Corda side-swiped me and I chewed his butt out for being a jerk (language cleaned up) and that started a life-long friendship with Corda and Corfman. That was 1977.

When I have time I'll start a thread....off to work I go!

[DixiePlowboy]

Im sure most of the guys and gals on here want to know some facts and memories about the fastest chick on 3 wheels....

Oh heck yeah..... we sure would!

Welcome Robin, and let 'er rip :welcome:

[huntinpecker]

Curtis- In 86' Kawasaki was trying hard to get a win in the desert. Early that year Kawasaki offered Allen Fox and myself 6 stockbikes and 6000.00 for prep and entries, plus 2500.00 fr class win or 5000 for overall. 3 wheeler win, good money. Kawasaki gave us a trike to test once again, a couple hours of riding we broke it apart. We were bummed, we had to turn it down. Our sponsor John Tomson with California Communication, Fox, and I decided money meant nothing if we couldn't finish a race.I think the race you were referring to was the 86' Mohave 250, Sundahl was solo and he had 15 minutes on us with 20 miles to go. We had been plagued with 5 flats. The grease wood was brutal around Barstow. His Tecate grenaded the swingarm bearings. He came up 20 miles short, we won overall. The 3 wheeler in that one pic is the trike we won the Mohave 250 with. We named it the Tarantula, built by Allen Fox with CR 500 suspension.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/misskch2/001-1.jpg

[Beerside]

That's an awesome picture Mike, Im trying to build a 1986 Baja 1000 replica race machine and I notice the rear tires on the 250R in the picture above seem to be what I always see. Are those Ohtsu Pro-comp 301's?? And yes, please keep the pictures and stories coming, luv them!

[dcreel]

That is definitely an awesome picture. So what was that 250R running.. about 11" of travel? Did it use a lot of droop travel like a trophy truck or did it sit real high? Got any pics of it sitting on all three? Awesome guys, thanks for the pics and memories.

[huntinpecker]

Beerside those tires I dont know. dcreel the tarantula had 12 inches front,13 inches rear travel.Probably 4 inches of sag.She was a little tall for tight stuff,but in the whoops,nothing could touch it.We tested it in 3 foot whoops wide open, no sweat. we have video. Allen Fox still has one of those kits for a tarantula in a box. Mike

[SneakyATC250R]

Beerside those tires I dont know. dcreel the tarantula had 12 inches front,13 inches rear travel.Probably 4 inches of sag.She was a little tall for tight stuff,but in the whoops,nothing could touch it.We tested it in 3 foot whoops wide open, no sweat. we have video. Allen Fox still has one of those kits for a tarantula in a box. Mike

I would buy that kit right now!!

[oldfart]

Hi You-all... I haven't had much time to spend here lately, but I do check in to see how the thread is rolling. Glad to read Robin, and Mike Hallett are now on-board. We all had so much fun in the early '80s with these 3-wheelers. Just a quick thought... San Diego has always been a mecca for these ATCs, so if you are looking for the older models, make sure you check Craigslist for San Diego, and type in ATC. The world will open up once again!

[inv3ctiv3]

Beerside those tires I dont know. dcreel the tarantula had 12 inches front,13 inches rear travel.Probably 4 inches of sag.She was a little tall for tight stuff,but in the whoops,nothing could touch it.We tested it in 3 foot whoops wide open, no sweat. we have video. Allen Fox still has one of those kits for a tarantula in a box. Mike

Do you have the video or know who does? If you guys have a hard copy of it (VHS, beta, etc) you could send it to me and I'll upload it to youtube or my server and send back the tapes.

[Billy Golightly]

Dean, glad to see you back around again!

Mike and Robin, welcome to 3WW too!

[huntinpecker]

Do you have the video or know who does? If you guys have a hard copy of it (VHS, beta, etc) you could send it to me and I'll upload it to youtube or my server and send back the tapes.

Jim I will do my best to get my hands on that video

[90crazy]

Does anyone recall a trike called "Frankenstien"? I know it's in this magazine I just don't know which one! It's gotta be one of the early ones. I think it's a 90 with a XR200 head and jug on it or something similar. I know theres a thread on here right now with something similar, but this trike was featured. Please help!

[Beerside]

Hi Robin, don't make me have to get out my Oct. 1981 issue of 3wheeling magazine...ooops, to late, I just did. Cheers from Jeff in Bonita, Ca.
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr186/beerside/IMG-1.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr186/beerside/IMG_0001.jpg

[LB1]

Hey Guys.... Been away too long with too many irons in the fire, and enough time to enjoy them all. Here is an old photo from the distant past... Can you name any of the players? Enjoy, Dean

To add a little flavor to Dean's picture…that is Matt Hildenberg front and center, Bruce Simurda to the left, JW above Bruce, me to the right with Bruce Stjernstrom to the right of me along with a friend of ours…John May. Marty Hart is above right of JW with Darryl Bassani above me.

As you can see…we were well on our way to having a good time and it got better/worse! The girl and I think her boyfriend, the blonde guy to the far right…had the table, but we took it over, we had no idea who they were and really didn’t care, that’s why he looks the way he does…he was pissed. The girl ended up latching to one of the above names the rest of the night while we were in the bar.

The ride back to the hotel was just as entertaining…OK, out of control.
Once at the hotel, one of the above names decided to nose the rental car against the side of the hotel…then drop the hammer…and left it dropped for a good 3-4 minutes. It was a nasty smell, but we all had a lot of fun!!!

[phantomtracer]

Hi,

Great website!!!
I have spent much time reading Coe's thread!! I raced at the Batavia, NY Nationals and the Lyredda (sp)Lynns Race, either 84 or 85 cannot remember, except that Mary Hart Lapped me in the heat race! I still have almost every 3 wheeler magazine, Dirt Whees and ATV News, but I do not have the first few 3 wheeler magaxzines. I can picture the first one I saw, it had accessories listed, lighted antenna was the one that comes to mind, anyone have that mag.
What month and year was that?
I can remember going to the magazine shop and buying that magazine with my dad, that quickly turned to me/dad purchasing a 1980-KLT 200.
I have almost every mag after that.
Mike Coe, I cannot believe that story, I mean I believe it, but at the time I never gave the points a second thought.

At that time I was totally bummed that 4 wheelers were taking over and I was going to college, I ended up racing a YZ 125 the following year.
i would never race or own a 4 wheeler!
At the time they were seen as too easy to ride and a joke!
I can remember when a 4 wheeler knocked my brother out of first place in a local race and kept on going, that hurt!
We always thought that 3 wheelers were much harder to ride and we would ride 2 wheelers in-lieu of the quads.

I am really interested in the TPC 3 wheeler. can that be raced in the quad class?\
What month is the the AATVA woods race discrapancy noted?

I cannot believe I just simply read over that without a second thought.

Great website, thanks for all the memories,

Phil Rode

[bobr]

Hello,Phil ,you must be Johns' brother.You were on here a few years ago,right? He used to work with me @ M-B. Bob

[bighead]

Oldfart I was wondering if you can tell me anything about my new Odyssey I have bought. In another thread a member sent me these articals. In those articals you were the writter. You would not happen to have any contact info on the owners of these odyssey's in the articals? Here are some pics. Thaks for your time an any info.

Your Artical from 1983

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/dcreel/odyssey/001-17.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/dcreel/odyssey/002-13.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/dcreel/odyssey/003-12.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/dcreel/odyssey/004.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/dcreel/odyssey/005.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/dcreel/odyssey/006.jpg



And here is my Odyssey

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/65chevyII/racer%20kart/CIMG0339.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/65chevyII/racer%20kart/CIMG0338.jpg

I would love to hear what you have to say. Thanks

[robindavis]

Hey anyone heard from old fart lately?! Sorry I've been away. I'm on 2 other boards, moderating one on women motorcyclist for Brenda Fox. Long story...will post more later. She's battling breast cancer and other health issues...former 3 wheel racer. If anyone wants to donate to her cause, 100% goes to medical and drugs (she has no insurance and no family support) http://starride.net/brendafox and check out her other site where the chicks hang http://womenmotorcyclist.com . Anyway...I'll get more pics and stories up soon.

It may come as a surprise to those I know, but I have recently sold all my quads. And I sold 2 old 3wheelers, so now I have no dirt toys. Only my Manx-type dune buggy. The Economy and the Politics involved with the desert and riding here in SoCal have taken the fun out of it for me. I figure someday when the economy flips around, I can always buy a new quad. In the meantime, I'll get busy with stories. I think I'll have to write them down in WORD and then copy them over. Maybe that will be the start of my book!!!!

DEAN KIRSTEN....if you are out there message me!

Robin

[vintagemotorsports]

Welcome Robin,
As a huge ATC90 fan , you must have so many stories and pictures of your old race bikes and race pics would love to see them , thanks for joining in with us ATC nuts !! check out my company we do lots of early US90 restorations I bet you remember them well www.vintagemotorsports.net
look foward to reading some of your posts Mike

[stickerman68]

<a href="http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s288/stacypic777/?action=view&current=1106002014.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s288/stacypic777/1106002014.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
march 1985

[dcreel]

For stickerman68: Use the "go advanced" option then use the "preview post" to see if your posted pictures will work or not. Welcome to the site.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s288/stacypic777/1106002014.jpg

[Bryan Raffa]

Hey anyone heard from old fart lately?! Sorry I've been away. I'm on 2 other boards, moderating one on women motorcyclist for Brenda Fox. Long story...will post more later. She's battling breast cancer and other health issues...former 3 wheel racer. If anyone wants to donate to her cause, 100% goes to medical and drugs (she has no insurance and no family support) http://starride.net/brendafox and check out her other site where the chicks hang http://womenmotorcyclist.com . Anyway...I'll get more pics and stories up soon.
Robin

Please DO ..

[oldfart]

Very sorry to hear about Brenda Fox. She appeared in one issue of 3Wheeling as a model. We did a photo shoot using camping gear near Buckman Springs, off Highway 8 towards El Centro. She appeared with Bruce Simurda around a tent scene near that lake up there... We even had a custom helmet painted with her name on it... Hope she beats the cancer, and gets back riding motorcycles. Dean

[robindavis]

Dean, email me at robindavis@cox.net

[chopperimpala]

I know this is an OLD thread but I am new here and while browsing around I saw this thread and it gave me goosebumps:...

(from the very FIRST post) -----We even covered ATC90 flat-track racing in the San Diego area during the late '70s.-----

I was there (a young child 8/9/10???) and vaguely remember those days!!! WOW,memories, just had to comment.....Ken

[robindavis]

I know this is an OLD thread but I am new here and while browsing around I saw this thread and it gave me goosebumps:...

(from the very FIRST post) -----We even covered ATC90 flat-track racing in the San Diego area during the late '70s.-----

I was there (a young child 8/9/10???) and vaguely remember those days!!! WOW,memories, just had to comment.....Ken


Ken....flat tracking at Speedway 117? I was there! Good times, good memories.

[Shorty]

so what happened to your race bike? the yellow 90 to be specific. and was all done to it?

[robindavis]

so what happened to your race bike? the yellow 90 to be specific. and was all done to it?

I ended up selling it, which in itself is amazing, because I usually keep things. I just sold last summer a 1983 and a 1986 ATC200X three wheelers.

The yellow bike:
Johnson Bandito Frame
Stratton Link springer front end (that was the bomb in those days! suspension!)
108cc long-stroke engine with cam/valves ported
Ace ported the head, put a long rod on my crank and added a spacer plate so the piston would not hit the head.
It had a carb...can't remember what kind now. But the jets were drilled out for alcohol.
Bassani pipe.
Trivic Sprockets.

I'm sure it would all come to me....but that's what I remember. :)

[Shorty]

I ended up selling it, which in itself is amazing, because I usually keep things. I just sold last summer a 1983 and a 1986 ATC200X three wheelers.

The yellow bike:
Johnson Bandito Frame
Stratton Link springer front end (that was the bomb in those days! suspension!)
108cc long-stroke engine with cam/valves ported
Ace ported the head, put a long rod on my crank and added a spacer plate so the piston would not hit the head.
It had a carb...can't remember what kind now. But the jets were drilled out for alcohol.
Bassani pipe.
Trivic Sprockets.

I'm sure it would all come to me....but that's what I remember. :)




So a 54mm piston with a long rod ? Or a stock bore with say, a 61mm stroker?

[zrtsteve]

hello this my first post on here i used to have a subscription to that mag glad to see u on here, u one lucky man to have done that..

[jnoethen]

hey how do i get in to racing my 3wheeler?
thanks john

[oldfart]

Hi gang. Been busy doing the magazine deal, and haven't had too much time to hang out with you all. I have listed two items for sale on e-Bay, both my Team Honda apparel. Since I do not ride any more, and these items certainly don't fit me! I am selling them. They are both Team Honda ATC from Hondaline, and are a size Large jersey and size 32 pants... Thanks for reading... Dean
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Team-Honda-ATC-Pants-Hondaline-Size-32-/260801698384?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb8fe1a50

[motoman1012002]

Dean good to hear from ya I just bid on them but I guess not enough haha glad your still around

[robindavis]

So a 54mm piston with a long rod ? Or a stock bore with say, a 61mm stroker?

I have to think on that one....it was a loooooooooooooooooong time ago! It wasn't a stock bore I can tell you that. Sometimes I get it confused with my 200X I raced in SCORE. That was an overbore. But I think on my 90, it might have been 58mm. Something about that number rings a bell.

And to the guy who wants to get into racing your 3 wheeler.....it's not happening. No one will put on a race for those trikes. Insurance and govt regulations make sure of that!

I need to get back to the boards. I was SO burnt out after my 3Wheeling Magazine sale and the way I was treated by Ebay I just dropped out of site. I have two buyers for the rest of my collection. BUT...lol....I found two more boxes of Dirt Wheels, 3&4 Wheel Action, SCORE News, Dusty Times. I am cleaning and purging the things from my house that I have collected for the last 30 years. I'm no hoarder and my house is clean! But in the rafters of my garage, I had a bunch of boxes of this old racing stuff. I'll be back to let you guys know what I have.

Robin
"The older I get, the faster I was!"

[FEDowner]

I was looking at an old 3 Wheeling magazine and it had a note about Ace in it. Did a google search and ended up here. I remember his accident but didnt hear much more (I know it was a long time ago).
I used to race with him and the Honda guys mentioned on other pages before they were Honda. I got to race at the Riverside Score race. Even though my ATC seized it was the coolest race ever. My sponsor (KYSH 3 x 4) had some pants made for me with ATC on the legs and everyone from Honda came over and said Where'd you get those we dont even have that. It was such a thrill to come off of the dirt to pavement (tires squealing) and see the stand packed with people (they ran us right before the heavy metal trucks).
Anybody know where Mike Chester is?
After my racing career ended I did some race promoting and put on the Mini Baja at Indian Dunes.

[robindavis]

I was looking at an old 3 Wheeling magazine and it had a note about Ace in it. Did a google search and ended up here. I remember his accident but didnt hear much more (I know it was a long time ago).
I used to race with him and the Honda guys mentioned on other pages before they were Honda. I got to race at the Riverside Score race. Even though my ATC seized it was the coolest race ever. My sponsor (KYSH 3 x 4) had some pants made for me with ATC on the legs and everyone from Honda came over and said Where'd you get those we dont even have that. It was such a thrill to come off of the dirt to pavement (tires squealing) and see the stand packed with people (they ran us right before the heavy metal trucks).
Anybody know where Mike Chester is?
After my racing career ended I did some race promoting and put on the Mini Baja at Indian Dunes.

Ace passed away some 14-16 years after the accident. He never recovered and was in a "coma" sort of. His eyes were open but no one was there. I visited him at a treatment center in Tustin, California and at his home. It was an injury that damaged his spinal cord and information from the brain could not get to the body (that's the short version as I know it). When Ace passed away, I went with his family (I rode with his brother Walt) to the dunes where they scattered his ashes. I still get sad about that whole situation.

Not sure what happened to Mike Chester. He's around.

I'm still around too. I got so mad about what Ebay did with the problem with my 3Wheeling Magazines I hide for awhile. It was draining at best. I still have many magazines left. I think I still have one with Ace on the cover.

P.S. I found the Honda pants and jersey I wore on the cover of 3Wheeling Magazine. They are in pretty worn...but the memories are there. I washed them. The jersey is torn under one arm. Good times!

[Beerside]

Hey Robin, It's me Jeff. Do you remember me? I met you at your house several months ago (or has it been a year now?) and you sold me several issues to complete the albums I was putting together of all the 3Wheeling Magazines. It's nice to see you on here and thanks for signing my magazine back board and sending me the autographed post card from Brenda Fox. I also recently got to meet the associate publisher of 3Wheeling magazine, Dean Kirsten. He was really cool and shared some stories. I recently went to Barona casino and drove past your house. I almost thought to call you and say "Meet me at Barona". Haha, I hope all is well and take care!! I thought Dean's maibox was cool too so I even took a picture of that. I hope that's ok Dean? :-)
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr186/beerside/IMG_2718.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr186/beerside/IMG_2720.jpg

[robindavis]

Hiya Jeff. Call any time. If you are in the neighborhood come over and play a game of pool! I have not forgotten that you were here! I have more magazines left. I even found another box of them. So I have to go through them and see what I have. Most of them are 3&4 Wheel Action and Dirt Wheels. I'm sure Dean has some great stories...even of me! Hiya Dean! Good to see ya!

[jeffs250Russell]

Nice!.....Well said. I love my trike too!

[bighead]

Hello,
Maybe you can help me...I don't know if I'm in the right spot. I have a 1984 200YTM and my sprocket flew off of the camshaft. Now I've found the part and part number but the picture doesn't look anything like it. The bore of the sprocket is 1 inch and there are teeth that lock it into place followed by a bolt to hold it on. I'm confused about the whole situation and I would love to drive it this weekend. Thanks for your help.

When you meet Darwin, tell him I said hi.

[Super350]

Epic thread!

[robindavis]

Hey Jeff! It's been a few years. I was checking out the thread and saw this post. The last post was 2010. Now it's 2013 and I'm moving away from California to Texas and taking the rest of my magazines with me. There's a guy in Minnesota (Brad) that wants some and I have not forgotten about him. Most of my stuff has been packed for about a year now as we got the house ready for selling. I had it on the market last year over the summer...but the elections and the bad economy blew that attempt (as well as a rookie realtor). I put it on the market this year and have had two buyers, but it fell out of escrow TWICE! I can't wait to get OUT of California. When I get to Texas, I'll unpack my stuff and see what magazines I have left. There are still alot. When cleaning out the house for selling, I found a whole other box of them! It's amazing what you collect when you live in one place for 40 years! I thought about putting up my email but it will get spammed out. Just send me a private message and I'll get back to you. I hope all is well!

[Keith Salyer]

Hello Robin, good to see you on the boards. My best friend gave me an issue of 3wheeling mag for my 53rd Birthday with Mean Dean on the cover( Flash Dance) with the fire blazing under his tires. I threw all my mags away 25 years ago (probably because I wore them out) And ditched all my trophies. Except one from Mickey Thompson and the Yamaha Gold Cup I won in Texas. But Terry kept a bunch of his , the pack rat , Lol. Anyway welcome aboard and hope your move goes well....

[robindavis]

Hi Keith. Thanks for the well wishes on our move. I'm quite excited! California is getting too expensive and has gone to hell-in-a-handbasket. SDG&E is raising our electrical rates 12% and our gas tax is going up 3.5 cents this summer. It's nuts out here. Not even the desert or weather is good enough anymore! We decided on Texas because of its conservative values, booming economy and the ability to have our guns. We though of Arizona but it's still too much in the shadow of California and too close. We will be taking a vacation when we move and are going to visit Tombstone. Maybe we'll stay there! lol Even after selling most of my magazines, I still have plenty. While packing for the move, I found another box of them! I save them all....I guess my pack-rat trait from my dad was a good thing! I also used to have all my trophies dating back to Speedway 117. But in packing for the move I decided to ditch the trophies but I kept the plates off them and will mount them on a plaque. The trophies were falling apart anyway. That was way back in 1977...it was amazing they lasted that long...but they had been in my garage all that time and never moved...so they were frozen in time! I'll let you all know when I move. I'm sorry that I have not been more active on this board...but getting the house ready for moving and showing the house is so time consuming. ugh. I'll be glad when we can head east and go on vacation!

[Joseph Farrow]

Awesome Tread! :w00t:

When I first found 3WW this was the first tread I read. 3Wheeling Magazine was definitely the magazine for all things 3 Wheeler. I can remember seeing the first issue. A friend had a copy and we almost got into it because I would not give it back. I could not believe there was a magazine devoted exclusively to 3 wheelers. The problem was they were only available on the news stand for quiet a while. (you had better be on the ball because most places only got two or three copies) They did not start off offering subscriptions. They had to see if it was going to take off and take off it did. There were 3 wheelers all over the US at that time but SoCal got all the attention with the help of 3Wheeling Magazine. I say 3Wheeling Magazine help Honda build their unbeatable atc race team.

Dean I know you arent on here much anymore but I want to thank you for all you did for the Sport of 3Wheeling. The ATC and 3Wheeling Magazine changed the World. You were there in the middle of it when it was happening. Thanks again for all your knowledge and insite on what was going on during that time.

Here is my 3Wheeling Magazine Moment :Bounce

During the early 80's my family made a trip from Tennessee to California just to check out the 3 wheeling scene in SoCal. We went to all the Speed and Custom shops, Johnnys S&C, Dico, Dannys Machine Works, Johnsons ATC/Mini Truck, and others. We also checked out the race scene. Went to a National in Santa Cruz and a local race at the Ventura co. fairgrounds. But the Highlight of the trip was getting to meet Dean Kirsten. The associate publisher of 3Wheeling Magazine. He was a super nice guy that took plenty of time to talk to some goofie kids who just had to meet him. I'll never forget it.

This is my Dad and Dean:

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My Brother, Father, Dean and Myself:

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And the Icing on the Cake.....A personalized signed copy of 3Wheeling Magazine by Dean himself. :cool:

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Long Live 3Wheeling Magazine!!!

[Mickey Dunlap]

Awesome Tread! :w00t:

When I first found 3WW this was the first tread I read. 3Wheeling Magazine was definitely the magazine for all things 3 Wheeler. I can remember seeing the first issue. A friend had a copy and we almost got into it because I would not give it back. I could not believe there was a magazine devoted exclusively to 3 wheelers. The problem was they were only available on the news stand for quiet a while. (you had better be on the ball because most places only got two or three copies) They did not start off offering subscriptions. They had to see if it was going to take off and take off it did. There were 3 wheelers all over the US at that time but SoCal got all the attention with the help of 3Wheeling Magazine. I say 3Wheeling Magazine help Honda build their unbeatable atc race team.

Dean I know you arent on here much anymore but I want to thank you for all you did for the Sport of 3Wheeling. The ATC and 3Wheeling Magazine changed the World. You were there in the middle of it when it was happening. Thanks again for all your knowledge and insite on what was going on during that time.

Here is my 3Wheeling Magazine Moment :Bounce

During the early 80's my family made a trip from Tennessee to California just to check out the 3 wheeling scene in SoCal. We went to all the Speed and Custom shops, Johnnys S&C, Dico, Dannys Machine Works, Johnsons ATC/Mini Truck, and others. We also checked out the race scene. Went to a National in Santa Cruz and a local race at the Ventura co. fairgrounds. But the Highlight of the trip was getting to meet Dean Kirsten. The associate publisher of 3Wheeling Magazine. He was a super nice guy that took plenty of time to talk to some goofie kids who just had to meet him. I'll never forget it.

This is my Dad and Dean:

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My Brother, Father, Dean and Myself:

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And the Icing on the Cake.....A personalized signed copy of 3Wheeling Magazine by Dean himself. :cool:

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Long Live 3Wheeling Magazine!!!

This is funny,I just called Dean at Hot VW to see if he had any old Team Honda pics of me still. He wasn't in so I left a message.

[Joseph Farrow]

New Subscription Card for 3Wheeling Magazine. Postage Paid. :lol: (I wish)

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Found this in one of my old 3Wheeling Magazines. Boy I really miss this magazine. :cry:

[robindavis]

Micky,

I might have some old photos of you. Did you race in San Diego at the Sports Arena? It was only a one time deal and many of the old guys were there. I was taking photos. It was 1983 or something. What number were you and I will search my photos.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Micky,

I might have some old photos of you. Did you race in San Diego at the Sports Arena? It was only a one time deal and many of the old guys were there. I was taking photos. It was 1983 or something. What number were you and I will search my photos.


Yes I was there,my number was #19. I won,Marty Hart was second and I don't remember who was third.

I'm trying to organize my 3 wheeler career from all the magazine articles my mom saved 30 years ago. If you have pics please send them to me here 4STROKE@EMBARQMAIL.COM or go to my web site. http://www.fourstroketech.net/

Thanks!

[robindavis]

Yes I was there,my number was #19. I won,Marty Hart was second and I don't remember who was third.

I'm trying to organize my 3 wheeler career from all the magazine articles my mom saved 30 years ago. If you have pics please send them to me here 4STROKE@EMBARQMAIL.COM or go to my web site. http://www.fourstroketech.net/




Mickey,

I'll look through my photos. I'm SURE I have some of you. I remember. Now I just have to find them. I recently moved from California to Texas and we are just getting settled in the house. I have one of you on the podium for sure....and I think racing on the track. I'll email you soon.

Robin

[Keith Salyer]

Robin, glad to hear you made it to Texas. You need to drive up for the Midwest rampage in May, I'm sure we could find you something to ride :)

[robindavis]

Thanks Keith! Where IS Midwest rampage? I might not make it this year. We are just getting settled in and cash is short. I love Texas though. I'm out of debt and own my home. Doesn't get much better than that!

[oldfart]

Hi Gang, glad to see you guys are still serious about 3Wheelers. I bumped into Nick Nicolson at the Big 3 Auto Swap meet in San Diego last weekend. We talked about the old days for hours, how he built so many custom ATCs with full suspension before they came that way. Also, the handful of ATC500s that are still around (and one of Dickson's Husky frames). Talked to Tracey Dickson last night for an hour. He works for Hendrick Motorsports in North Carolina, on all the NASCAR stuff. He and his dad (Bob Dickson) are doing fine. We still talk about how much fun we had racing in Baja and doing 3Wheeling magazine. So long ago.

I have posted some items for sale on e-bay. Cleaning out my closet finally, so there might be some treasures.... Thanks for looking, Dean

http://www.ebay.com/sch/angliaobsolete/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_trksid=p3692

[Joseph Farrow]

Awesome stuff Dean! Gotta have the Danny's wind breaker.....
I talked to Loren last week. He said Danny was doing great and would still come in the shop to do a little work a couple days a week.
Glad to see your post.

[Coxy]

This is a massive... And amazing read.... All the way back from 2004... 50 pages an 10 years later it's still going..... Long live the 3 wheeler.... I was born in 88' so i never got to see those glory days when everything was "new" and just coming out.... I was wondering... Jus maybe maybe if you had any of those fine stickers left around? Or any other small racing/ trike related items kicking around that you would like to sell.... I'd love to keep a few things alive for another 50 years.... an pass them down one day to the next generation, an see the expression on their faces when I explain the history of where these things came from and the story of the 3 wheeler.....I may have been born to late.... But the 1st bike I owned had 3 wheels, an I shall always ride three wheels

Thanks a ton!

Coxy

[wpginterceptor]

anymore 3wheeling stickers?

[Keith Salyer]

Yea, good idea, How bout it Bruce, can you mock up some stickers..

[Bigirv]

I have questions that need answering

[jaybird4554]

Hey new to the joint have a ? I pick up a trike in need of much love painted seat shredded me n the ol man keep arguing about what it is maybe you can help on sticker on the frame it says 1983 yam24W0196 not sure if it's ytm 200ek or dvx225 it's shaft drive and has big ass racks on it stamp on frame says 24W-010394...

[Cheechot]

Hi all, first time joining as I’m restoring my atc 200x 1985 which my parents bought me at age 13... had a blast for at least 10 years and then sat outdoors for the next 25 years.... today at 50 I decided to restore my first toy! So my question is can’t seem to find any more original tires with the dimensions 23.5x8x11 at reasonable prices, can I go with a 24x8x11...or a 23x8x11 for the front ? Thanks

[jasong_10]

I run this one on my R and putting one on my 200x this winter.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ATC-200X-250R-350X-ATC350X-ATC250R-3-WHEELER-FRONT-KNOBBY-TIRE-23-5x8-11/402244642219?hash=item5da7a625ab:g:Qx0AAOSwpzdWtex W&redirect=mobile

I've been very happy with it so far.

[oddfellow74]

Do you know how I can get the axle out of a ATC 70 everything is removed from both sides and soaked with pb blaster tried the wooden block and hammer on both sides several times thank you

[Waylen]

I have a 1982 Honda 3 wheeler and was trying to figure out what model it is what different kinds are there it’s not a two stroke

[Waylen]

How much is a 1982 Honda 185S worth?

[ejowrench]

Hey Deano, I am surprised you never mentioned 3 Wheeling mag 24 hour world record on a Fourtrax. Any stories you would like to share?

What happened to Wesley Blair? I really enjoyed his adventures. [Off The Trail column] I could not believe all of you highly paid [lol] Californian big shots could not pool enough money to buy him a REAL ATV [Big Red, Suzuki 4x4] ! When he totaled his little 125 down a hill, I thought good, he can get one, but no, he went out and bought another 125!

What was your relationship [if any] you had with Dirt wheels? How did you get Phil on board? I was so glad to see him in 3wheeling, I missed him at Dirtwheels.

Hope you are doing well, really enjoyed your work.