Could not resist. Another 200x

[frankydodo]

Well.....don't know how to say it but this is my 9th Atc so far and i have to say its the prettiest i've bought so far. Its not a museum quality atc but by looking at the picture you will understand what i say.

First this was the Add picture that got me.

http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/frank336/Mobile%20Uploads/ad_0_1470008902651_zpsymlpdrsd.jpg (http://s917.photobucket.com/user/frank336/media/Mobile%20Uploads/ad_0_1470008902651_zpsymlpdrsd.jpg.html)

Call the guy, no answer, leave a message. The guy calls me back after a couple hours. He say he was in the wood and his cellphone did not have signal. But since he got out of the wood his phone does not stop ringing of message for the atc. ( When i called him the add was up since 2 hours )

He tells me that i'm the first that leave him a message and he called me back first. So we decided that the next day ill come and look at the atc!

And as soon as i turn in his driveway i knew i would buy it. It was there sitting so clean looking haha. We talked a little i test drove it and bought it without negociate. Price was really fair.

He changed the kickstarter gear and spring and gave me the old ratchet gear that look almost new. but the spring broke and he just changed everything.

So back home i gave the atc a little clean and realised that it is damn clean for a 31 years old machine.

Just look at the exhaust.

http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/frank336/Mobile%20Uploads/GOPR0273_1470154616649_high_zpsd7yuvd9e.jpg (http://s917.photobucket.com/user/frank336/media/Mobile%20Uploads/GOPR0273_1470154616649_high_zpsd7yuvd9e.jpg.html)

The only downside is the front fender that was cracked and repair with rivets. But beside that everything looks pretty damn good.


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http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/frank336/Mobile%20Uploads/GOPR0278_1470154616649_high_zpsyhlsvaib.jpg (http://s917.photobucket.com/user/frank336/media/Mobile%20Uploads/GOPR0278_1470154616649_high_zpsyhlsvaib.jpg.html)
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/frank336/Mobile%20Uploads/GOPR0277_1470154616649_high_zpszn6xpeda.jpg (http://s917.photobucket.com/user/frank336/media/Mobile%20Uploads/GOPR0277_1470154616649_high_zpszn6xpeda.jpg.html)
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The inside of the fuel tank is 100% rust free. Even have the chain guard! I will try to keep it as close as stock possible. The rear wheel are 300ex wheel so 9'' wheel.

Frank!

[DohcBikes]

I will try to keep it as close as stock possible. Thank you.

Beautiful bike Frank!! Congratulations!!

Your forks are bent...

[frankydodo]

Yeah forgot to say he gave me another set of straight fork lol

[DohcBikes]

Yeah forgot to say he gave me another set of straight fork lolAwesome!! Too bad you're in Canada, I'd straighten those originals for you if you were closer.

That bike is low hours and has been stored inside for the most part. The seat hasn't even lifted from the tank much. I'm jealous!!

[frankydodo]

Are they hard to straighten? I heard people say it was easy. Other saying its impossible

[DohcBikes]

It takes a hydraulic press or tube bender, a set of "V" blocks, a dial guage, and patience. No, it's not very hard.

[AK47KID]

It takes a hydraulic press or tube bender, a set of "V" blocks, a dial guage, and patience. No, it's not very hard.
Unless you have OCD

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[NETRA3]

Beautiful!!!! What a score.....I had the same machine back in the day.....One of the Best ATC's I've owned. The truck in the background is in good shape too.

[frankydodo]

Thanks guys! Need a little advice over here! What would be the best way to bring back the fender to life?

They are a little faded and some minor scratches are here and there. I don't want to do the torch or boiled linseed oil method. I want to sand them the proper way and make them shine again!

What would be the best grit order? Wet or dry? And after sanding what kind of wax or compound to apply?

[atc12]

Start with 800 grit wet and work up to 2000 grit. Get the big scratches out then get the scratches the paper leaves with the finer paper. End with a buffer to bring back the sheen. Lots of time to do it right. Don't burn the corners and only sand by hand. Only use the rough paper on the deep scratches.

[frankydodo]

Well good news for the 200x ( not for my wallet ) i spoke with a local powdercoating shop and i will probably strip naked the old x to send it to powdercoating. Along with the swingarm and other small parts! I wanted to leave it like that but its in too good condition.


Here we go again!

[DohcBikes]

Boo. Hiss.

[Dirtcrasher]

Great score!!

[frankydodo]

Also i think i will do a little something woth the stock engine!

Wiseco 10.25:1 piston

Xr200 carb ( you can still get new one from honda for 140$)

http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-16100-KT0-A10.html

Xl185s camshaft ( also new from honda for 60ish buck.

http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-14101-437-010.html

Is the xr200 intake boot is also needed for the xr200 carb?

Also if someone have other tips for any engine mod it will be appreciated!

I would also like to get an exhaust but my stock one is the best one i had so far. Its in perfect shape. I had a dg rcm on my other 200x and it rusted out in like a year.

[DohcBikes]

Tips for engine mod: leave it stock and ride it

[frankydodo]

I'm talking about basic stuff. Not stroking it to make it 218 and putting a 12:1 piston to run 100+ octane gas

[DohcBikes]

I'm talking about basic stuff. Not stroking it to make it 218 and putting a 12:1 piston to run 100+ octane gasYou're talking about taking apart a perfectly good running survivor and spending hundreds of dollars to gain 2 horsepower. It's your ride to do as you please but you had the right idea when you claimed you were going to leave it alone. There's a billion modded 200x' and hardly any nice stock ones left. Soon with nobody willing to show restraint, there will be none left.

[DohcBikes]

Also, modding a survivor that nice is going to devalue it. So, you'll spend hundreds to have a bike that's worth less than it was before you started. It's a fact.

[bkm]

This is one of those bikes that you leave alone. Just my. 02

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[86125m]

I agree if the motor is running well do not tear into it. The only thing that I might would do to this bike is get a new front fender.

[frankydodo]

Also, modding a survivor that nice is going to devalue it. So, you'll spend hundreds to have a bike that's worth less than it was before you started. It's a fact.
Again, i'm not talking about putting anything else other than honda part ( except for the piston ) on a honda trike.

I never saw an atc losing value because of basics mods. In fact i sold my old 200x that was alot more non-oem mod ( chinese engine , maier fender) for 3k here in quebec.

And with the price i paid for this one. I could probably put 1k in parts and still be able to sell it with a little profit.

I understand the "leave it like that " thing but at the same time i don't understand it. Its not a meseum mint atc. Yeah its pretty clean and if i never ride it , it will also be that clean in 30 years but i did not bought it for that.

Of course i will get a new front fender. The rear one are not even cracked! I want to strip down the atc to the frame. Powder coat the frame as close as passion red possible. And then rebuild it the same way it was 30 years ago with minor "upgrade" if i can call it that way. I really don't want to go crazy stupid custom on this one as i really like the 1985 color scheme.

[DohcBikes]

Ok, you've talked yourself into it. R.I.P. to another original.

[redsox]

you should find a clapped out 200x and do all that stuff to it. then you'll have a modded 200x to ride and a nice original gangsta in your garage to look at. hell, you could probably find someone with a modded rider that would trade you straight up for that OG and save yourself the grand. Either way, nice rig. solid score.

[83ATC185]

yeah listen to these guys. if i had my clean survivor 200x to do over again, believe me i would.

Get a NOS stator cover and replace some of the rubber bits that may be cracked and brittle while you can still get them, do some detailing to that frame and polish those plastics out, and invest in some NOS tires and leave that one be in the corner.

IMO the fun of riding a survivor wears off fast, as fast as the value disappears from it. Mine was near as nice as yours until i rode it(it did have new tires). The swingarm skidplate is now broken off, the toolbox and complete toolkit broke off in the woods(i had fun finding that) the once intact oem plastics and decals are now chipped and cracked from normal trail riding. And i told myself id be careful with it but a stick the size of my pinky came out of nowhere and lodged between the tire and peg and cracked the rear fenders. I was so sick over that.

If i were you, I'd clean that thing up right with NOS parts and leave it be.

[plevib]

Cut it up! Stuff a big motor in it! Run it on alcohol! Do whatever tickles your fancy! While I would be reluctant to take apart a running machine, I'm all for doing whatever i want to my trikes, and the same for others! I've cut up cherry machines before (not just trikes), against the advice of others, and have been very happy with the results %75 of the time. AnD the other %25 I learned many things! :lol:

It's pretty funny that you said you want to make some improvements and everyone freaks out. Honda didn't get everything perfect, there's always room for experimenting! And I agree on your point, these machines aren't meant for museums, garages, or living rooms! They're meant to ride!

[frankydodo]

I think this is geting a little out if the subject. I did not bought this trike to make a garage queen out of it. Its also important to say that i will not be jumping or race track with this atc. I'm not riding my atc hard at all.

Of course NOS parts are cool, but i guess that everybody that put NOS tire on their atc doesn't even take it out of their garage. Maybe i'm not old enough and i don't understand but what is the goal behind that?

Again for the 3rd time. I will describe what i want to do with this atc.

Strip it to powdercoat the frame

Sand/buff the fender and find another front one.

MAYBE also do a cam/carb swap with the Honda XR/xl one, and a wiseco piston.

I want to make it the cleanest and stock looking possible. And if you look at it you wont be able to tell that it has a different carb of cam.

[DohcBikes]

It's pretty funny that you said you want to make some improvements and everyone freaks out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjibEkDoXQc

[RamsesRibb]

I think this is geting a little out if the subject. I did not bought this trike to make a garage queen out of it. Its also important to say that i will not be jumping or race track with this atc. I'm not riding my atc hard at all.

Of course NOS parts are cool, but i guess that everybody that put NOS tire on their atc doesn't even take it out of their garage. Maybe i'm not old enough and i don't understand but what is the goal behind that?

Again for the 3rd time. I will describe what i want to do with this atc.

Strip it to powdercoat the frame

Sand/buff the fender and find another front one.

MAYBE also do a cam/carb swap with the Honda XR/xl one, and a wiseco piston.

I want to make it the cleanest and stock looking possible. And if you look at it you wont be able to tell that it has a different carb of cam.

I think what some of the guys are saying is that eventually there won't be anymore good wheelers left except for ones that have been modded to keep up with the times.

[DohcBikes]

I think what some of the guys are saying is that eventually there won't be anymore good wheelers left except for ones that have been modded to keep up with the times.More importantly, to some of us, is that there will be less original survivors. Just as easily as a trike can be modded, it can be returned to factory spec, but it will only be original once.

[plevib]

Why is original better?

[plevib]

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(Now I'm just poking the bear. :naughty: ) Maybe I just don't get it because I didn't live through the 80's..... do you think in 30 years people will be collecting xbox 360's and being butt hurt because there aren't any "originals" around? ;)

[DohcBikes]

Don't know about anyone else but I'm not pouring gas on myself and threatening to light myself on fire if he mods the bike. Just passing a sentiment that he might some day regret not keeping a nice original, I know I have. It's clear to see that he's determined, I'm anticipating the outcome :)

30 years, try not to think that far ahead.

Got it down to the frame yet, Frank?

[frankydodo]

Yeah already done and everything

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160811/eb20a6d3d16e2bfcc6dc9697edec57f0.jpg

I finally put a chinese engine in it ! So much power now :) can't be more happy ! :D and i decided to go full custom with the fender and everything. I threw away at the junkyard all my oem stuff because no one wanted it.

Aren't you hearing that beast screaming of raw power? Plus it has the electric start ! Best of both world !

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160811/43c5a7fa25ad6395e62f8053cc2808e1.jpg

[plevib]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Hahaha! I have to say I don't hate the idea of electric start ;) I'd drive it!

[redsox]

Hahaha!! Troll. I'm with DOHC. I don't care much either way, but the x in the first post is MUCH nicer than that one. But hell, i'd rip either also. I guess i'm glad its a 200x, and not something more rare. Its 2016 man. Do whatever you want. Rip that bike down, marry a dude, smoke some weed, drop a deuce in the ladies room,, there are no rules! The world is yours, do with it what you like. Us old guys don't know nuthin' no how.

[redsox]

Why is original better?

My smartass answer would be - Because the guy at honda is smarter than you.

The real answer is, original is not always better. Its just that in this case his gains are not going to get him anything, where if he just left it alone he'd have a really nice example of an original bike. Thats all. She's only original once. Its no big deal, just an opinion. i think this horse is dead, and i'm done beating it.

[frankydodo]

I'm actually pretty amazed about how nobody understand what i want to do lol. I said i want to make it looks stock. I repeat,


Stock

Like

In

1985

Red fender
Red frame
Red scoop
Black engine
Chrome grab bar.

And good news for honda fan! The 3 tires are ohtsu pro/am vector!!


I don't understand the point of being so negative if my atc starts like that

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160811/0950fbb7b88b80daf07fdb4452fcffea.jpg

And ends up like this

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160811/e1032e3180b7ccaaa95cd478052e2fbb.jpg

I know its the same picture, thats the point.

But just a little cleaner.

And that white 200x was my old one that i sold haha

Edit : i'm almost 100% sure that some minor engine upgrade will not decrease its value. Of course ill keep the stock parts. And again i'm not making a museum piece out of it !


Edit 2: i finally found my answer ! Yes you need the xr200 intake boots to run a xr200 carb [emoji1]

[DohcBikes]

I'm actually pretty amazed about how nobody understand what i want to do Yes we do. It's you that isn't understanding what a survivor is. But again, we aren't losing sleep over it. Stop talking about it and do it!

[frankydodo]

Yes we do. It's you that isn't understanding what a survivor is. But again, we aren't losing sleep over it. Stop talking about it and do it!
...so you think i should leave my atc in a garage for the rest of my life? What's the point behind doing that. Thats what i really don't understand.

[DohcBikes]

DUDE ITS OVER!!!!!!!! You don't get it!! Move on!!! Tear it apart!

[bkm]

...so you think i should leave my atc in a garage for the rest of my life? What's the point behind doing that. Thats what i really don't understand.
That's how mine is going to live the rest of it's life and I'm just fine with that. My 250r has been part of the family since 1989. I learned how to ride a bike with a clutch and a kickstarter, how to mix fuel, what stiches and broken bones were, was tought by my dad how to turn a wrench, and just about anything else you can think of with owning this bike for 27 years.

I started rebuilding it back to its former glory in 2011 and fulfilled a life long dream of flat track racing in an actual legal race. I stopped racing after 2014 and I'm now in the process of building it into a period correct racer with only vintage race parts.

When it's finished, I will build a dedicated display area for it and my garage and honor it for the foreseeable future and tell it's story. I understand this isn't for everyone or that everyone can say they've had the same bike for almost 30 years. But for me it's preserving a piece of family history. So retiring it to the garage is perfectly fine with me.

I'm not trying to sway your decision in any way, I just wanted to shed some light on why someone would turn a bike into a garage only machine.

[frankydodo]

That is something i respect. But i own this trike since 2 weeks. And i'm only 23. So i was not racing in the 80s or learned how to drive an atv even when i was young.

[plevib]

Hey franky on that xr boot, yes it's slightly larger on the intake side, but the head side actually chokes it down. When I got the 82 xr200 intake for my 200x I sat down with a pair of calipers and was confused for a second haha. ... one could simply taper the stock boot with a dremmel, but the xr boot is easy to come by

I Actually got a hole top end for a xr for 50 bucks on ebay. I used the cam and intake on my 200x, and I'm going to use the rocker box to set up a decompression lever on it too one day. And then I picked up a 80 xl185s that had dropped a valve. And I just happened to have that spare xr head! Probably the best ebay purchase I've ever made haha. ...

Are you going to put an exhaust on too? Dg's are cheap and really wake up the bottom end!

[bkm]

That is something i respect. But i own this trike since 2 weeks. And i'm only 23. So i was not racing in the 80s or learned how to drive an atv even when i was young.
I completely understand. Since you asked about why someone would do this, I was just shedding some light from my side of the tracks.

No matter which direction you choose, good luck!

[RamsesRibb]

That's how mine is going to live the rest of it's life and I'm just fine with that. My 250r has been part of the family since 1989. I learned how to ride a bike with a clutch and a kickstarter, how to mix fuel, what stiches and broken bones were, was tought by my dad how to turn a wrench, and just about anything else you can think of with owning this bike for 27 years.

I started rebuilding it back to its former glory in 2011 and fulfilled a life long dream of flat track racing in an actual legal race. I stopped racing after 2014 and I'm now in the process of building it into a period correct racer with only vintage race parts.

When it's finished, I will build a dedicated display area for it and my garage and honor it for the foreseeable future and tell it's story. I understand this isn't for everyone or that everyone can say they've had the same bike for almost 30 years. But for me it's preserving a piece of family history. So retiring it to the garage is perfectly fine with me.

I'm not trying to sway your decision in any way, I just wanted to shed some light on why someone would turn a bike into a garage only machine.

I get that. When my granddad passed about ten years ago I offered to buy his old 1979 ATC from my grandma, as that is what I learned to ride on as a wee lad. Lo and behold it was not to be, as one of my relatives had already come around begging for things and took it for their kids who don't respect anything. Well it didn't last long. In fact it was probably destroyed before I even asked.