1986 125m spotted, now at new home

[TrickShot]

Spotted this 125 today driving around. Doing a quick post to find its value. As I haven't been watching these. It's missing pull start I see but looks good otherwise. Lady said it hasn't run in years. I see it's got a speedo on it and rear rack. Said her husband be back in an hour. What do you all think?

[ps2fixer]

I'd say offer $200-250 for it and see what they say and work with them on it.

For actual value, in parts is probably highest value, but as it sits it might pull $400-500 tops? I don't see many of them listed. I suspect a complete machine in good shape would value around $1000 if you can find a buyer. My area can be different though, some areas prices are more or less doubled.

Just keep in mind, orig price + seat cover + recoil starter + possible tires needed before even knowing if it runs and what other work it needs. It does look nice, so I'd think the engine will be fine, but you just never know. Try to spin the engine over by hand and see if the compression feels ok.

I wouldn't bother adding value for the rack/speedo for buying it in that shape, but I suspect each is worth $100-200 in good working order not bent etc.

Good luck, maybe he will just say take it off my hands free =)

[atc007]

Tell me where,I'll be right up ;)..lol,, It looks to me like it has a value to the current owner a little north of nothing.. I would start at $100 and feel him out. I would give you $400 worst case scenario. Good luck!

[hawaiirider]

I always check a bike for spark before buying, like stated above your going to have to put $ into it just to get it going. see how compression feels w a rope. id offer 200$ if it had spark. rare or not its kinda up to you if your willing to put money you probably will not get back into it...

[TrickShot]

I am going back tonight and talk to her husband. I am not sure it hasn't run in years because it broke in some way, but am leaning to its because she said her husband had a stroke years ago and haven't used it since. May be nothing wrong at all really. Will find it it tonight. Thanks for your input guys.

[shortline10]

I just paid 400.00 for one in similar condition .

[TrickShot]

Just checked it out. He said it did loose spark, says he has new electrical parts. Tires on back are soft, likely shot, front tire is shot. Fenders are solid and crack free. Hondaline ATC Speedometer. Seat needs new cover, and pull start missing. Other then that it seems in great condition. He didn't have a price. I said take some time, think it over and give me a number he is comfortable with, and we can go from there. Nice older guy though, I feel good about it. :Bounce

[ps2fixer]

That's nice of you, a lot of people around here seem to want it now and buy on the spot before the owner can really think things threw, had similar experience on Craigslist when people list things on a whim, then when you get there they are half shocked that someone actually showed up and you can see it on their face that the price was too low.

[Big G]

That's my dream find right there. Good on ya for keeping your eyes peeled. Let us know what the outcome is. Hope if works out for you!

[greenhuman]

That must have been in excellent condition when parked outside.

[dirtwheels]

Whatever he comes back with, you should try to get it. The rear fender is a key element as they are "unobtainium". If it is not cracked, it can be sanded out to be nice and red again. Good luck.

[86125m]

Agreed the 86 125m is one of my very favorite trikes. But finding parts for one is like finding a needle in a hey stack. Take my muffler for example it took 6 months to find and then it cost me an arm and a leg to buy and this was used. When done and done right however these little trikes can be worth some serious cash.

[hawaiirider]

while were on the 125 subject,

anyone got the issue where the Kawasaki klt 110 kicked the 86 125m's arse?? been looking for that issue... it was on 3wheeler.org but is now gone...
klt 110, king of small bores, 86 Honda 125 king of high price and for what? the klt 160/185 is more rare then the Honda yet is worth far less...
the Suzuki alt 125 is rare and very similar but also isn't high priced, kind of stumped on this...

[atctim]

I was thinking that the small bore KLTs were plagued with electrical issues. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I know I have heard this somewhere. And the Suzuki 125s (and their 185s) are the worst handling trikes of all time. Hondas are known for their reliability and they all handle pretty well all things considered. Just my opinions.

[Jason125m]

That 86 is still in very nice shape for how long its been sitting. Hopefully that piece of wood on the right rear fender did not cause any damage.

And on Hawaiiriders subject, If I was in a showroom full of brand new KLT 110's, 160/185's and Honda 125m I would buy the Honda even if it was twice the cost. Every KLT I have owned has been extrememly unreliable, I could just be unlucky but that is my opinion. And hey, my name is Jason125m... lol

[hawaiirider]

thanks for yalls opinions, they count.
I had a klt 185 and never had a single issue w that trike at all, it had a super strong Honda passing motor and reverse but it did handle terrible!! I had a Honda 125m and it handled excellent but my friends klt 110 absolutely smoked it in drag races, was almost ridiculous how much more power the kawi's had!!
I ride a suzuski 125 right now, decent bike, handles ok, not as good as laydown Honda motor but has better power for sure. The zukis have bad tranny issues though.
we need that 125 shootout by dirtwheels to stir things up, was a good issue wish I still had it to post on here.

[Ol Deuce]

I pd #$400 for mine and was worth every penny !! That one will clean up really nice plus it still has the key ...Thats got tobe worth it LoL
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[tri-shee]

I have a parts bike if you get the bike . I have a pull starter.

[tri-shee]

I pd #$400 for mine and was worth every penny !! That one will clean up really nice plus it still has the key ...Thats got tobe worth it LoL
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Nice , Bike.
I also bought my 86 125m for $400
It also had the OEM tires like new on the bike but they had flat spots from sitting to long with low tire pressure.

[Jmoozy27]

There is 2nd gen 125m parts around, just not on eBay. Rather in fully assembled trikes. Reason being is that they are well built very strong machines and the ones that you find are usually in someone's backyard. It may have lost spark, and the first thing a normal person does when they hear that a stator is discontinued is park it and buy a quad or whatever. If you want oem parts to fix it, you'll have to be patient and search a bit. There is other ways around it, which may involve some wire splicing, and customization.

Bottom line, that machine is sweet and its likely just a few beer drinking nights away from running. If the seller is willing to cut a deal, snatch it up. Save it from the loneliness and elements. Even if you part it, you'll likely double your money over time. I Hope you get it.:TrikesOwn

[TrickShot]

Well I am happy to say the 86 Honda 125M is sitting on the back of my pickup. :w00t:
Chilly day outside, had to pull a few times to get the tires out of the frozen ground, but it has a new home. Quick look at the speedo if accurate is 190 miles. Pics to come when fingers warm up..

[Degoragon]

Congrats man, those trikes are pretty rare, i would have kept mine if was more than a frame. parts are hard to come by, and considering i was gonna spend end up spending at least $500 to get a motor and rear fender, (If I could even find one!) and that the 185 engine i planned on using wouldn't fit. it was too much project for an amateur without a good Mig Welder to work on.

Still, I wonde how it turned out, The guy I sold it to planned on doing the swap as well and was quite good with a welder from what he showed me. I sold mine for $100, but it was just a rolling frame with a gas tank

[TrickShot]

Well as can see in the pics to come, all the tires are shot, although not unexpected. Fenders are in awesome shape, no cracks. Tank is solid although I will be dumping out the 1/4 tank the of what used to be gas, and then have to wash tank out. Just a bit of surface rust showing inside. Got a nice suprise when opened the tool box lid. Inside was the pull start recoil and bolts to hold it on, rear rack bolt screwknobs. As said earlier 190 miles on speedo and wouldn't be suprised if it's accurate, as it's a clean machine. I did get a great deal on it. When I stopped today to see if he had a price yet. He asked if $250 was ok with me. I didn't argue, was going to offer $200 if didn't have a price yet just to get something started. He handed me a few parts he had. Not sure if they are the old parts or ones he intended to replace yet. But enough ramblin now. On with the :pics: :pics: :pics:

[TrickShot]

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[Jmoozy27]

Wow, those models are great looking. Nice find and way to pursue the deal. Let me know if you can't find the parts you need to get fire. Last time I checked there was a parts trike near me. Good luck on the revamp...

[ironchop]

Nice score!

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[Ol Deuce]

That is Nice... You will have a blast with the clean-up ....the rear fenders are super Nice !!!!:Bounce:Bounce:Bounce:Bounce:Bounce:Bounce:Bou nce:crazy::crazy::drool::drool:

[ps2fixer]

That coil looks like it is from a lawnmower, I can see the curve shape for the flywheel for the magnet to go by it.

The CDI/Starter relay look correct for it though. CDI being unhooked could be why no spark? :D

Anyway, here are some service manual key pages for ya incase you didn't want to download the whole thing or haven't gotten it yet.


General info (spark plug number, gap etc) - https://gyazo.com/deea532bab4d37a546185e8fcae6b639
CDI - https://gyazo.com/3dce4d50779e61856517c51876bda6d7
Ignition Coil - https://gyazo.com/4da7bc95d0c8239c5d363efe1d2407fd
Pulse Generator and Exciter Coil - https://gyazo.com/84dc144f820d2e53d26b2eb153b8eb76
Ignition Timing - https://gyazo.com/ec7992472500f00b67a8f2c8c87c5e05
Wiring Diagram - https://gyazo.com/2f9b2970b6d9a81719331967bc8615c5

I noticed the starter is black while the rest of the engine is silver, not sure if that is the orig starter for the machine, maybe from a 250sx? I'd be careful if/when you try to start via battery unless someone can confirm it is correct.

If you have any issues with the ignition switch, you can disconnect the green or black/white wire to make it "turn on" you won't have lights (including neutral etc i'm 90% sure) unless you connect Red and Black.



I'd say the check out the wire harness pretty well too, since it has sat out in the weather for so long, it might be brittle and falling apart, corroded connections etc. I'd be primary worried about the cdi plug if the cdi is actually out of it, naturally connected it is sealed off quite well. The other possible trouble area would be the flag spade connectors on the coil as they are more exposed up at the front of the machine. If you can bend the wires and the insulation breaks, it is a sign the harness is shot. You could "repair" it but the best thing to do is replace it if you want a reliable machine.

Good luck and let us know what you find during trouble shooting =).

[Trike_crazy]

Nice score! The 2nd gen 125m's are my favorite 3 wheelers. At the moment I have 2 86 and an 87.

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[redsox]

score of the week. . congrats. i've always loved the mini-sx look.

[TrickShot]

I noticed the starter is black while the rest of the engine is silver, not sure if that is the orig starter for the machine, maybe from a 250sx? I'd be careful if/when you try to start via battery unless someone can confirm it is correct.

Thanks for the links. I felt of the wires when I took the photos and they felt stiff. Not sure if they are or because was so fackin cold out so I will be checking them all out in days to come. I agree the coil isn't right. Starter appears correct though according to this photo.

[oscarmayer]

nice score! take your time cleaning it and getting it working and soon you will have one very nice trike that will last lots more years. Please, don't just try to do a basic clean and run it into the ground. this one desires to be restored to normal operation. that means, replacing cables, properly cleaning tank, full carb rebuild, new fluids, replace chain for new (old is probably very rusty) new tires, (have wheels blasted and repainted), nre fluids all around etc.. I am not saying a showroom, but riding restore. it will work so much better and last much longer. Don't get stupid with it. the plastics are not replaceable. no aftermarkets or meiers are available. so only rude it EZ and softly unless you wanna have broken parts for ever.

[atc300r]

Nice score. I was looking at one of these on my local craigslist a few months ago it was the frame,motor and frontend. I was going to put the motor in a 200x frame . I was thinking a 125 auto x would be cool.

[YTZ drew]

Congrats on your score! PM me if it turns out you need a stator, I have a couple of spares. Also a spare electric starter.

[atc300r]

This is the one I was looking at.227814

[Trike_crazy]

Atc300r, I seen that one ebay. If the guy would ship I would've bought it a long time ago lol

[TrickShot]

I picked up a 1987 trx 125 and thought with a little luck the seat and exhaust would be interchangeable. This is not the case. I did get the wheel situation figured out though. I used hubs and rims off a 200s on the rear. Then on the front instead wof trying to change out the hub, I mounted a tire on a rear rim from the 87 trx125. Fit is perfect. I hate split rims and tubes as well.
Found this post from captainweezy searching around. Does anyone know if any other hubs or rims swap to a 86 Honda 125M? I got some tires for it now, but just wondering, because I'm not fan of split rims either. I have an old 87 Honda 200sx at another location an hour away I might try if anyone knows if that might work before I make the trip over.

[110 atc]

Trickshot, I know the 200sx hubs will work on the atc 125. You can also use 200x/300ex/400ex hubs. All of these use a 4 on 110 pattern. The stock 200s hubs with the 4 on 130 pattern will also slide right on.

[TrickShot]

Trickshot, I know the 200sx hubs will work on the atc 125. You can also use 200x/300ex/400ex hubs. All of these use a 4 on 110 pattern. The stock 200s hubs with the 4 on 130 pattern will also slide right on.
Awesome, exactly the info I was looking for, thanks man :beer

[TrickShot]

Nice score! The 2nd gen 125m's are my favorite 3 wheelers. At the moment I have 2 86 and an 87.
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Kicking myself just a bit, I must have searched every 86 Honda 125M post today in search of this picture, because I remembered seeing it earlier. Just couldn't remember which thread it was in, and ended up being in my own thread..:rolleyes:
What hub and rims are you using here Trike_crazy?

[Trike_crazy]

In that picture I was using 400ex wheels and hubs. The wheels have since been put on my dx225.

[TrickShot]

Are there specific years that work or do all years work for the 300ex and 400ex hubs to swap onto the 86 125m.

[Trike_crazy]

As far as I know they all can be used

[atc300r]

I think the only hubs that wont fit are the 85-86 250r and 350x bigger spline. I have a set of trx 300 2 wheel drive rear hubs on my 81 250r. Some years of the quadsport hubs fit aswell.

[ps2fixer]

For the 400ex/300ex question, it can be boiled down to part numbers. Most likely the spine count/size didn't change but I haven't followed those models much.

Part Number: 43120-HN1-A20 (http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-43120-HN1-A20.html)
1999-2014 TRX400EX - (aka all 400ex years used this same part)

Part Number: 42410-HC0-000 (http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-42410-HC0-000.html)
1987-1992 TRX250X
1993-2004 TRX300EX
1999-2001 TRX400EX (odd these are listed, but confirms there is little difference between this and the part above - could be further validated there is no difference in axle part number)

I suspect all of the machines above work fine, below might be possible non-working unless someone can confirm it works on one of them.

Part Number: 42410-HM3-900 (http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-42410-HM3-900.html)
2005-2008 TRX300EX
2009 TRX300X

Part Number: 42410-HN6-A20 (http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-42410-HN6-A20.html)
2005-2008 TRX250EX
2009-2014 TRX250X

The last option is by FAR the cheapest... $40 per side. In-fact it is so cheap if this part works on any of our 3 wheelers, it should be the go to part to replace them unless you're trying to stick to OEM correct part. Used hubs generally go for $40+ per set.