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ps2fixer
02-05-2016, 03:42 AM
I found this document posted here: http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/109065-Why-did-Honda-only-make-the-shaft-drive-hardtail-Big-Red-for-one-year?p=837597#post837597

Seems to be really good info, and the file only had 30 views! Here is a "reprint" of it.

ATC70

1973 - K0 First Gen
The very first ATC70, identified as a 1973 model but probably produced from mid 72 onward. Distinguishing Features: Orange body color, Silver colored forks, 5 hole rear cover plate, Flame design tank decal, angled exhaust silencer, 2 rib foot guards. 7 digit engine number, first two digits 10.ie ATC70E-1000001~

1974 - K1 First Gen
2nd year of the series, production commenced in late 1973 and continued throughout 1974. Leftover stock sold through 75. Similar in design to its predecessor. Distinguishing Features: Red body color, Red forks, 4 hole rear cover, straight exhaust silencer, 3 rib foot guards. 7 digit engine number, first two digits 11, ie ATC70E-1100001~first two digits 11, ie ATC70E-1100001~

1978 - K3 Second Gen
After a long absence the ATC70 returns, why did they stop production of this hot seller for 4 years, who knows. The new design is similar to the ATC90 with one piece rear fender/seat assy, non-laminated steel frame, exhaust system relocated to outside of frame. Outboard brakes meant easier brake servicing. A new improved chain tensioner did away with a splined shaft that was prone to stripping. All in all a nice package with some good improvements.

1979 - Z Second Gen
Second year of the new generation. Very few changes from previous year, slight engine and frame revisions, rocker arm clutch components, transmission parts, brake cam, starter handle. Visible changes restricted to decals. K~ model identification dispensed with (Note: code for this model "Z".)

1980 - A Second Gen
New Model identification begins, if you can count to ten you can figure it out 0=A, 1=B, 2=C and so on. Little or no change from the previous model apart from decal differences and revised camshaft and cam chain tensioner. New engine number sequence derived from Trail Bike models.

1981 - B Second Gen
1981 models changed very little from previous years, basically a decal change to differentiate from earlier models. Paint changes from Light Scarlet to Passion Red although to look at it appears the same color. Gearshift drum revision, basically the same bike as before.

1982 - C Second Gen
1982 models saw the introduction of a 4-speed transmission a welcome revision as the three speed tranny left a lot to be desired. Generally but not always a 4-speed engine could be identified as having 8mm case screws as opposed to previous "Phillips head " screws.

1983 - D Second Gen
Some changes since previous model, cylinder head revision, countershaft, low and second gear revision, throttle cable securing band and guide added, handle bar revision, handle bar mounts get plastic cover, fuel tank revision, exhaust system revision

1984 - E Second Gen
Very little difference from previous model. Hand brake lever revision, exhaust heat shield changes. Tank decal is same design only colors are dark blue and light blue. Seat loses its "Quilted" design in favor of plain vinyl.

1985 - F Second Gen
85 sees end of production for the ATC70 to make way for its 4-wheeled cousin the TRX70. Minor changes limited to decal changes and seat gets new blue coloring. "70" stenciled on seat. revision to cam chain tensioner. Shift pattern changes from all down to all up!

US90

1969-1972 - First Gen
Named the US90 as identified by the engine number prefix of US90. Produced from late 1969 through 1971. Distinguishing features: No headlight or tail-light, Honda name on tank in badge form instead of decal, plastic thumb throttle (prone to breakage and replaced under warranty with alloy unit) 7 digit

ATC90

1973 - K1 First Gen
The first ever ATC90, named the US90 as second model ATC90, some changes from first model, headlight & taillight become standard instead of optional. Seat cover appears to be different, Tank loses badge in favor of stick on decal. Otherwise basically unchanged.

1974 - K2 First Gen
Third model ATC90. US90 engine number now gone in favor of ATC90 prefix. Fold away foot rests replaced with fixed units. Fold away head stock dropped. Front fender changed from metal to plastic, rear fender re-styled. Body color "Orange" borrowed from K0 ATC70

1975 - K3 Second Gen
Introduction of the new "knobby tire" model. Available in any color so long as it was red. Slight frame revisions and inclusion of plastic mud flaps front & rear. Heavier than previous year due to wheel design and accordingly lower power to weight ratio

1976 - K4 Second Gen
Second year of new generation design, very few changes from previous year. Basically the same bike except for decal differences. Honda did a good design job with the previous model and consequently there were no revisions required

1977 - K5 Second Gen
1977 proved to be as unexciting as the previous model in as far as new features were concerned. Very little change from the last model apart from the standard decal changes to make it look different. One interesting point was that a "Chevron" style tire was offered as an option for this model. This tire is similar in design to the ones fitted to
K0~K2 models only it suits the later split rim

1978 - K6 Second Gen
1978 sees the end of production for the ATC90, few changes limited to the tank decals and rear fender decals. Rear carrier rack gets beefed up.

ATC110

1979 - Z First Gen
Introduction of new model ATC110, Not much changed since the previous ATC90 model. Engine gets upgrade to 105cc. Rear fender constructed from "non-repairable" plastic. New decal design, basically the same as last year with a slight performance upgrade.

1980 - A First Gen
Only new decal design. New engine number configuration starting with TB02E~, new model ID system, this model "A"

1981 - B Second Gen
Fuel tank changes shape, Introduction of the much welcome "CDI Ignition". Headlight changes from round to rectangular. Electrical system switches from 6v to 12v.

1982 - C Second Gen
Tank & fender decal changes, seat loses its quilted cover. Headlight switch moves from top of headlight to bar mounted combination switch.

1983 - D Third Gen
Style overhaul, a nice change or an ugly re-vamp depending on which way you look at it. Seat extends further up the tank. Tank shape changes to accommodate new seat design. New look headlight and fenders. Tool box molded into rear fender.

1984 - E Third Gen
84 models saw a few revisions worthy of note, different tank and rear fender decals. Carburetor revision. Rear brake drum and axle changed in favor of ATC185/ATC200 Design. Chain tension is controlled by adjusting rear bearing carrier Redesigned rear carry rack..

1985 - F Third Gen
Last year for the ATC110, no changes for this model except the mandatory decal redesign.

ATC125M

1984 - E First Gen
New model introduced for 1984, basically the same bike as the 84 ATC110 only engine pumped up to 124cc. Nice feature for this model is electric start, however this may contribute to more of these models being scrapped as their engines get transplanted into go-carts and the like.

1985 - F First Gen
No appreciable changes for 85, same bike, different decals, new price sticker

1986 - G Second Gen
1986 models receive whole new engine and frame, old horizontal cylinder design which had been in place since 1970 now replaced with vertical cylinder similar to ATC185. Nice package although some ground clearance may have been sacrificed for new design. New fenders, Fuel Tank, Frame. Basically a whole new bike. When shopping for a 125M this would be the preferred option.

1987 - H Second Gen
No new white plastics for 87 which is unusual for Honda, last of the model line. Very rare model as not many were sold.

ATC185

1980 - A First Gen
Introduction of ATC185, first model to graduate from "pressed steel" to "tubular frame" Nice bike with plenty of horsepower that was lacking in previous models. Separate rear fenders with tool box, this model targeting the "Work Horse" market. 180cc engine, 12v electrical system.

ATC185S

1981 - B First Gen
ATC185 models became the ATC185s in 81, "S" denoting sport, new tank design, 1 piece rear fender, round headlight replaced with rectangular unit, tail light and rear carry rack revised. Brake drum enclosed within cover plate, minor difference in rear axle.

1982 - C First Gen
Few changes worthy of note for 82 models, decompression cable incorporated into pull starter, kill switch goes from top of thumb throttle case to left side combination switch, new design air cleaner & air box, tank and rear fender decals change. Headlight switch moved from top of headlight to bar mounted combination switch

1983 - D First Gen
Last year of production. 83 models get new "Front Suspension" fuel tank shape gets smoothed out, air cleaner and air box get re-designed, rear sprocket gets revised damping arrangement, front & rear rim becomes one-piece, minor changes to front brake panel

ATC200

1981 - B First Gen
Introduction year for new model ATC200, basically an ATC185 with extra cc's added for good measure, seat is removable independent of rear fender. Rear fenders are two piece left and right sided, tool box mounted behind seat.

1982 - C First Gen
Few changes and revisions since last model, decompression cable incorporated into recoil starter, headlight switch moves from top of headlight to bar mounted combination switch, kill switch migrates from top of thumb throttle housing to combination switch.

1983 - D First Gen
Last year of production for ATC200, fuel tank gets smoothed out treatment, air cleaner & air box re-designed, front suspension introduced, minor difference in rear axle, front and rear rims now one-piece, minor revision to front brake panel, hand brake lever shape changes to "dog leg" style.

ATC200E Big Red

1982 - C First Gen
Introduction of new model ATC200E "Big Red" Model aimed at "work horse" market, basically the same as 82 ATC200 only with front and rear fender mounted carry racks, engine has electric start additional to recoil start, sub transmission added to give choice of "high and low" range. Headlight is high mounted with protective guard, ignition panel with key and neutral indicator light mounted on fork top bridge.

1983 - D First Gen
1983 saw little changes for the ATC200E, minor changes to rear axle and sprocket design, hand brake levers change to "Dog Leg Style" , basically the same bike as the previous model with new decals

ATC200ES Big Red

1984 - E Second Gen
Introduction of new model ATC200ES which was basically the ATC200E with the chain driven drive-line replaced with shaft drive. Nice feature included in this model is reverse gear, used ATC200E shoppers should consider this model as the pick of the three as the shaft drive makes for less maintenance and the reverse gear is great for getting out of tight spots.

ATC200M

1984 - E First Gen
Introduction of new model ATC200M, or continuation of old model ATC200 depending on which way you look at it, one piece rims, electric start

1985 - F First Gen
No changes worth mentioning for the '85. last year of manufacture for this model. Same bike as last year, new decals, new price sticker

ATC200S

1984 - E First Gen
New model introduced for 84, design based on old ATC200 specs, has one-piece rear fender with tool box molded in, fuel tank blends in with fender, "S" denotes sports model, one-piece rims

1985 - F First Gen
Few changes worthy of note for '85 models, handlebar mounted combination switch replaced with ATC110 unit, thumb throttle unit from ATC200X

1986 - G First Gen
1986 proved to be even less exciting in the changes department than the previous model. Seat gets blue treatment, that's about it!

ATC200X

1983 - D First Gen
Introduction of new model ATC200X to compliment existing ATC250R, nice package with some good low down torque for the 4-Stroke fans, disc brakes all round, (1-piece) factory alloy rims, tubular fabricated swing-arm

1984 - E First Gen
Very few changes for 84 model ATC200X, swing arm changes from tubular steel to box section

1985 - F First Gen
Same bike as last year besides blue seat with 200x on the side and polished forks with blue fork boots

1986 - G Second Gen
Revamp of ATC200X for 1986, all white fenders body colors, headlamp and tank shrouds remain red, front and rear fenders re-styled, transmission gets an extra 6th gear frame goes from round to square tube construction

1987 - H Second Gen
Last of the ATC200X very rare model, Few changes worth note, tank air scoops get white treatment, just one more year and the headlight could have been made white too!

ATC250ES Big Red

1985 - F Third Gen
Introduction of new model ATC250ES although really just a carry on from 84 ATC200ES with more ccs added. Engine shares a lot of parts with ATC250SX, Fuel tank blends into rear fender, rear side covers independent of rear fender. Kick starter takes over from old pull starter

1986 - G Third Gen
Few changes for 86 model ATC250ES, small modifications to rear brake panel in the form of guards added, modified rear swing arm.

1987 - H Third Gen
Second last year of production for the ATC250ES, was expecting some white body coloring to appear and maybe a blue seat but no. Same bike as last year, new decals new price tag.

1988 "Super Red" - Third Gen
This model was not sold in the USA, but was sold in Australia and the UK. Visual differences include a gray seat and details updated to gray to match.

ATC250R

1981 - B First Gen
Introduction of new model ATC250R, previously unheard of performance features in an ATC model, Swing arm rear suspension with gas charged shock, true front oil damped suspension, race ready 2 stroke engine modified from CR stable. Front disc brakes to slow it down. Really a great package that was well received by the buying public.

1982 - C First Gen
Few changes for the 82 ATC250R, rear drum brake gives way to disc. Brush guard added to alternator cover. Kill switch gets re-located from thumb throttle housing to left bar mounted combination switch

1983 - D Second Gen
Second generation ATC250R, nice restyling job while retaining a lot of the same running gear. Narrower front steer tire, improved suspension travel. Engine gets "black" treatment, new progressive thumb throttle, wheels go from split two piece to one piece. air box redesigned with access from top lid.

1984 - E Second Gen
Last of second generation model. Not many changes here, rear shock arm gets refined. Major changes coming up with next model.

1985 - F Third Gen
Third Generation ATC250R, Water cooled engine, six speed transmission. New plastics design. 85 models have "250R" printed on side of seat

1986 - G Third Gen
Very few changes from previous model, plastics remain the same, some improvements to suspension. 86 models have "ATC" printed on side of seat.

ATC250SX

1985 - F First Gen
Introduction of new model ATC250SX, shares a lot of components with the ATC250ES however is the sportier of the two. Shaft drive 5 speed transmission with reverse gear. Electric and manual starter.

1986 - G First Gen
Some minor changes for 86 year model. Tank gets white treatment and is accented by new design decal. Seat goes from black to blue. Fork boots get blue color treatment also. Rear wheel, brake panel and swing arm revision.

1987 - H First Gen
Last model ATC250SX, few changes worthy of note, tank decal gets more red treatment. New price tag. that's about it!

ATC350X

1985 - F First Gen
Introduction of new model ATC350X. 4-stroke, 4-valve, twin head pipes. 6 speed transmission. seat is blue with "350X" printed on side. Lots of low down torque but not terribly user friendly for hot starts!

1986 - G First Gen
Second model ATC350X, few changes from last model, front and rear fenders go from red to white, revision to front brake caliper. Seat has "ATC" printed on side.

81ATC185S
02-05-2016, 10:20 AM
Nice, Im going to use this a lot, no more guess work.

ps2fixer
02-05-2016, 02:21 PM
another thing that i know of for the atc200 and 185 series is that the machines used the wire harness part number for each year, ex: 1983 185s and 1983 atc200 both used the same wire harness part number.

ps2fixer
02-05-2016, 08:30 PM
Yea I didn't read them all, but the 250es was made based on the 200es, just basically everything is different lol.

Ghostv2
02-05-2016, 09:12 PM
I wish it was more complete and less of just a looking at a picture perspective I suppose.

82 250r
02-05-2016, 09:38 PM
Maybe we could all submit known changes to you and you could update the original post? Just an idea.

RIDE-RED 250r
02-05-2016, 10:28 PM
There actually quite a few differences between the '85 and '86 250r. Many differences are subtle, but a few are not...


Good list though. :beer If it listed every single difference in every model along the way, the first post would be 3 thread pages long! LOL!

350xtrike.rider
02-05-2016, 10:29 PM
85 350x has a 5 speed tranny same with the 85 250r.

nachop
02-05-2016, 11:02 PM
The 1985 ATC250R has a 6 speed.

yaegerb
02-05-2016, 11:06 PM
there actually quite a few differences between the '85 and '86 250r. Many differences are subtle, but a few are not...

............^x2

ps2fixer
02-06-2016, 12:13 AM
85 350x has a 5 speed tranny same with the 85 250r.

I always thought this too, but another person told me they both are 6 speeds. I'm pretty sure my 86 machine that I swapped engines on has an 85 engine now, and it is a 6 speed.

Service manual does not mention a difference assuming it is accurate.

https://gyazo.com/3462ce610fe58ee74849b6e5694e7e41

For other things it does have a 85 and after 85 note, so I suspect both are 6 speeds.

https://gyazo.com/6c8597916187a102b17a8cacca728574




I wouldn't be against updating the main post with more details, but to list every detail would be a list the full size of the post per model year of each machine lol. It would almost need to be on a blog or something more efficient for that kind of layout.

bkm
02-06-2016, 02:05 AM
Both years of the 350x/liquid 250r are 6 speeds.

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bkm
02-06-2016, 02:09 AM
There actually quite a few differences between the '85 and '86 250r. Many differences are subtle, but a few are not...


Good list though. :beer If it listed every single difference in every model along the way, the first post would be 3 thread pages long! LOL!
This is absolutely correct. I always say the list of identical parts between the 85-86 250r is substantially shorter than the list of actual differences.

Mr. Clean
02-06-2016, 10:54 AM
85 350x has a 5 speed tranny same with the 85 250r.

Yes and the sixth gear on the 250r is for reverse. That is what the "r" stands for. Glamy uses reverse on his 250r when he cannot climb all the way up comp hill.

yaegerb
02-06-2016, 11:47 AM
Yes and the sixth gear on the 250r is for reverse. That is what the "r" stands for. Glamy uses reverse on his 250r when he cannot climb all the way up comp hill.

Lol.....poor glamy

bkm
02-06-2016, 02:00 PM
How bout those Rams ?:p:p;)

You can have the worst franchise in the history of the league. I don't give a fawk about football. You running low on weed today?

ironchop
02-06-2016, 03:19 PM
......I don't give a fawk about football. You running low on weed today?

LMMFAO

but, but....its the Big GameŽ!!!

Don't you want to be like everyone else and live vicariously through other's hard work all while exclaiming such notable phrases as "we" won or "our" team is the best as if you, the fan, had a dam thing to do with it?

I mean why not be loyal fans? Lord knows the team owners are loyal to you..... like the Rams.



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bkm
02-06-2016, 03:20 PM
How bout pro wrestling .......huh.... i mean hockey ?
What about it?

RIDE-RED 250r
02-06-2016, 04:55 PM
'85 350x and 250r ABSOLUTELY, INCONTROVERTIBLY have 6 speed transmissions!


Why does that completely false and filthy rumor keep coming back up???

250ES5984
02-08-2016, 12:21 AM
How about the 1988 Big Red 250ESJ? Didn't see that one in there. 😉

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ps2fixer
02-08-2016, 12:56 AM
Pretty sure it is based on US models, and USA didn't receive any 1988 big reds unless they were imported. Could be wrong but no honda dealership website lists them. I could add a note about it, but I'd like to know which countries for sure had them before I add the note.

atcmatt
02-08-2016, 05:00 AM
Australia and UK as far as I know had the 88 'super red'

250ES5984
02-08-2016, 08:22 AM
Good point, considering that they didn't sell them here and theres like 2 on here. I would also like to know where all they were sold.

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atctim
02-08-2016, 09:30 AM
I made this many years ago - food for thought:

http://www.venustel.com/~tkeister/timeline.JPG

ps2fixer
02-08-2016, 02:00 PM
atctim,

That is a pretty neat chart and reminds me of the linux chart (HUGE) on wiki. It would be a good visual for seeing what models were made when. I don't really have the best software for making stuff like that, but I might give it a shot sometime.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Linux_Distribution_Timeline_with_Android.svg

I kind of think Canada got the 88 super red too? Looking at photos it still had big red badging but more gray, with gray seat. Were there any other differences?

RIDE-RED 250r
02-08-2016, 05:24 PM
The only pics of '88 Big Red I have seen were from Australia and yes, it had a gray seat.

ps2fixer
02-08-2016, 05:33 PM
I suspect besides the seat and the sticker details, it is the same machine as a 87 250es from the US. Are there any other known differences?

RIDE-RED 250r
02-08-2016, 08:55 PM
I don't believe the differences are more than skin deep on those.

atctim
02-09-2016, 11:46 AM
atctim,

That is a pretty neat chart and reminds me of the linux chart (HUGE) on wiki. It would be a good visual for seeing what models were made when. I don't really have the best software for making stuff like that, but I might give it a shot sometime.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Linux_Distribution_Timeline_with_Android.svg

I kind of think Canada got the 88 super red too? Looking at photos it still had big red badging but more gray, with gray seat. Were there any other differences?

I just used MS-Paint for that graphic. I use Paint for so much stuff - it is the only graphics program I know how to use efficiently.

FourtyCaliber
06-29-2022, 01:01 PM
I noticed that what was not listed between the 1980 ATC110 A First Gen and the 1981 ATC110 B Second Gen was that the fuel tank was changed. Actually, there were quite a few changes between these generations that is not listed.

ps2fixer
06-29-2022, 05:42 PM
I think you missed the part about the gas tank changes shape in 1981, it is noted from the post I reposed (orig post of this thread), unless you was referring to the image above. I don't think the list includes all changes, because it would be pages long for any major redesign, I think the source was a physical book, so there was limited space to publish the changes, it was just an identification manual to help identify models.



1980 - A First Gen
Only new decal design. New engine number configuration starting with TB02E~, new model ID system, this model "A"

1981 - B Second Gen
Fuel tank changes shape, Introduction of the much welcome "CDI Ignition". Headlight changes from round to rectangular. Electrical system switches from 6v to 12v.


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Footy
06-30-2022, 10:22 AM
I realize this is an old thread but I did not see the mention of the change between the downshift transmission to the upshift in 1985. Maybe I just missed seeing that detail.

ps2fixer
06-30-2022, 01:06 PM
I suspect it wasn't included in the book since it's not a visual difference. I try to make sure I get the shift patterns right on my site though at https://atvmanual.com. Looks like I didn't post the atc110 shift pattern, probably because the service manual or specs book didn't have the info. 1980 ATC185 is an example that does have that info posted.

MrConcdid
06-30-2022, 01:45 PM
Hey PS2fixer - its been awhile. Your site is coming along nicely. mind if I share it in my videos?
How have you been? any progress on that 250sx highbred you wanted to build?

MrC.

Footy
06-30-2022, 03:18 PM
"250sx highbred you wanted to build". I would like to hear/see more about that!

ps2fixer
06-30-2022, 05:05 PM
Hey PS2fixer - its been awhile. Your site is coming along nicely. mind if I share it in my videos?
How have you been? any progress on that 250sx highbred you wanted to build?

MrC.

Thanks, I haven't really touched the site in several months at this point. I have basically unlimited amount of work to do on it, but haven't had time. I stepped down from atv harnesses and stepped into the derby community. Lots more sales and I can have a bit more profit per harness, so it's more sustainable. It's a lot of investing to tool up and stock up on supplies though, currently at a $600 loss since the start of the year (been in the derby community for about 10 months).

The ATC350SX project I haven't had time to work on yet. I sold one of my ATC350X's recently, have only one left, so Kind of need to build the SX project and if all goes well, I'm almost positive that would be my goto machine.

Hows your youtube channel been coming along? Also you're more than welcome to share the site. You can use screen shots and such of the site in your video no problem.




"250sx highbred you wanted to build". I would like to hear/see more about that!

Basically here's a list of planned mods:

250sx frame
200x, 350x, or 200x front end (haven't gotten one yet prices are nuts) (for better suspension up front)
mid 80's trx250 rear swing arm using the 250sx diff for high gearing (+3 swing arm length)
trx350d shaft drive engine (normally 4x4), this is basically a 350x top end with a 250es bottom end, but it has an extra gear reduction on the output shaft so it's super low geared which is why the sx rear diff

Targeting to run 25in tires most likely, depending how it handles and the power etc, I might bump up the tire size bigger for higher gearing (top speed).

I like shaft drive machines, but I love the 350x power, so it's a mix of both. Michigan has a lot of mud, chains don't exactly like mud.

I have some R&D to do, but it might be possible to convert the 350d engine to manual clutch, so 350x style clutch and all, but it's all shaft drive. Semi auto trans isn't bad, just slower to rev so acceleration isn't as good (more spinning mass).

keister
07-01-2022, 01:06 PM
I stepped down from atv harnesses and stepped into the derby community.

So you are selling hats now?

ps2fixer
07-01-2022, 02:46 PM
So you are selling hats now?

Yep, little plastic hats with metal prongs in them =).

I wasn't trying to advertise the other side of my business, but I guess it doesn't really hurt anything.

I have specs posted for some cars including accessory pinouts (wire colors) on my webiste at https://derbyws.com

Most of the action happens in my facebook group, it's also where I've been posting updates on my projects and such: https://www.facebook.com/groups/derbyws

Here's some photos of the harnesses, how much wiring it deletes (derby people like less wiring which in turn means less things to fail), and some photos of customer's cars with trophies, sponsored cars, etc. No one that I've seen makes derby harnesses completely brand new, all of the harness builders takes a "core" harness and modifies them.

It's been about 10 months since I started in the derby side of things, I have around 200 variations of vehicles researched (mainly Toyota and Honda), 256 computer part numbers logged (for computer swaps for security delete and such), and the next order I get will be invoice number 250. I have some big ideas that hopefully will push the sport into newer vehicles more, they are still stuck in the 90's and early 2000's vehicles because around that time is when security started being a problem and it causes a lot of problems.

Anyway, hope you guys enjoy the photos.


https://i.gyazo.com/47a434d42fba40b4b2eb1d81abb92277.png
https://i.gyazo.com/7ec0bc93e105ce863fe595b1582a6d61.png

https://i.gyazo.com/42ae2f3981a8aee55700212c6def878a.png
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1000/f85334aa9405ef4890c9a256cf8c4999-png.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/da17ba33815ffdb36a765e559eee24d9.png
https://i.gyazo.com/deb396ad0243f7d5fd40e62c4cfffd64.png

Here's one of the guy's I sponsored this year. He's part of a team of 3. Rear quarter has my group name on it, Derby Wiring Solutions.
https://i.gyazo.com/8f8f08c289f8d21395469cdca10f17c8.png

Here's another guy, this car is just for a small show. He's having a full door sticker made up with his name number and my business name for a bigger show, but it's being ran in a month or so.
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1000/6430120ab19c7abcdcddc92124ceadf6-png.jpg

MrConcdid
07-01-2022, 11:10 PM
I always wanted to be in a derby.

ps2fixer
07-02-2022, 03:24 AM
I always wanted to be in a derby.

If you want to try it out, demo derby (smash em up, last car moving wins), grab a Camry 1987-2001 and they are pretty easy to build for a "stock" show, and of course I make a harness for them =).

There's also derbies where it's more race based, circle track and such. Smaller cars with powerful engines are normally the focus it seems like. 92-2001 v6 camry, or even into 2002-2006 camry could be good. A local racer runs a 2005 Corolla with a 2zz engine which is stock 1.8L 180hp manual trans 2600lb car. There's also the toyota Echo, it's only a 1.5L like 110hp car, but it's only 2020lbs stock. Power to weight ratio is a big factor.

I drive beater cars in the woods, jump them, etc, but I don't go in derbies because there's a lot of back problems and bone problems in both sides of my family, don't want to take the risk. Racing/circle track would be interesting though, it's full contact, but there's not super hard hits normally. The cars last a lot longer too.


Anyway, here's a couple in car videos to give an idea what the ride is like. This first one seems to make a lot of driver door hits, that's normally frowned upon, but I'm more used to compacts like camry, those look like full size rwd v8 cars. Guessing it's like a limit weld or full weld class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ECbEnxd7do

This looks to be a similar class but for compacts, pretty sure the car in the vid is a camry or camry platform, sounds a lot like the 5s-fe engine at least. They aren't known for big power, just those engines can take the heat well. You can see him pushing cars around, that's what really kills the transmissions on them from what people have told me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3bdo36_DeE

Here's a "W Body" which is a GM car platform, should be 3100 or 3400 engine. A lot of people say carb them and hot wire the coil pack, you can hear just how crappy it runs (base timing they are so slow to rev, it's limp mode to the max). Pretty sure the carb is way too rich, flooding out the plugs when hot. There's people that build nice carb setups the actually run well, those cars hold up pretty well but need a lot of prep to fix a lot of factory issues on them. They are a lot more expensive to get into for the better stuff, stand alone harnesses aren't cheap, then need a tuned computer to delete the security system. The Toyota's worst case is a computer swap, maybe engine harness swap with the computer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGemWt384Cw


Anyway, I created a new thread over in the off topic area for the derby stuff just so we don't clutter up the atc section of the site. I posted more of an update of what's going on with my business and the direction I've been headed lately, some side projects and such.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/192114-Demo-derby-talk-and-such?p=1528771#post1528771