200X suspension modifications

[oscarmayer]

I am working with a member here on the boards to get a special modification done to the 200x suspension. it will truly make it so awesome that it will absorb stuff other 200xs or even a stock 250r could only dream of!
Here are some hits.
350x parts are used a lot in the modifications.
;) More details will be divulged once this mod is complete. but this is going to be... wait for it...


LEGEN....

[oscarmayer]

Dary!!!!

:D


oh and yes I still need an extended billet axle. Hint hint!!!

[Jmoozy27]

Are you going to reinforce the frame if so than moving the top shock mount would be a step I the right direction. If you go with a 350x rear shock you may want to modify the swingarm mounting as well.

[oscarmayer]

I will be re-enforcing the frame. LOL just posted asking for common places the frames crack on the 200x.
not a 350x shock, but a hybrid shock, so we should be good with stock mounts. I will probably extended the rear swinger +2 on the stocker. Since I am not racing and not pounding it, building a chromoly one really is not needed for my use. I am just riding to get seat time and help my little guy practice.

[Jmoozy27]

I will be re-enforcing the frame. LOL just posted asking for common places the frames crack on the 200x.
not a 350x shock, but a hybrid shock, so we should be good with stock mounts. I will probably extended the rear swinger +2 on the stocker. Since I am not racing and not pounding it, building a chromoly one really is not needed for my use. I am just riding to get seat time and help my little guy practice.

Most people extend the swinger on the rear half but considering that the 350x style shock is about 4" longer eye to eye I would extend it on the front of the brace and see where that gets you.

[onformula1]

Interesting- :shiftyeyes: :D

Baby boy quad hunting???

Honda 200X-MX

Start the 3 wheeler MX revolution in Texas!

[oscarmayer]

You know it!! I plan on huntin quads!! Dam cheaters!! Quads are nothing more than a rat trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro child of a trike and a bike deformed!!! LoL


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[oscarmayer]

Most people extend the swinger on the rear half but considering that the 350x style shock is about 4" longer eye to eye I would extend it on the front of the brace and see where that gets you.

You are pretty close to what I am doing. Smart cookie!! Hats off sir!!


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[Jmoozy27]

You know it!! I plan on huntin quads!! Dam cheaters!! Quads are nothing more than a rat trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro child of a trike and a bike deformed!!! LoL
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Yeah, more like a mutant stepson!!!

[Jmoozy27]

Interesting- :shiftyeyes: :D

Baby boy quad hunting???

Honda 200X-MX

Start the 3 wheeler MX revolution in Texas!

And let the search and destroy missions spill into the "Bayou State"!!!

[christph]

I installed Progressive springs and a fork brace on my 200x recently and it improved the suspension and steering considerably. The fork brace, in particular, helps to keep the legs in sync and the front brake from binding and making weird noises. For the next upgrade I may try Race Tecs fork emulators. I've got an extended Westcoast swinger on the rear and am looking to upgrade in the future. I'm interested to see what you come up with. Right now I'm thinking either a rebuild with a stiffer spring or a Works Performance shock.

[onformula1]

I installed Progressive springs and a fork brace on my 200x recently and it improved the suspension and steering considerably. The fork brace, in particular, helps to keep the legs in sync and the front brake from binding and making weird noises. For the next upgrade I may try Race Tecs fork emulators. I've got an extended Westcoast swinger on the rear and am looking to upgrade in the future. I'm interested to see what you come up with. Right now I'm thinking either a rebuild with a stiffer spring or a Works Performance shock.
The stock spring is very stiff and it is very difficult to find a spring that is stiffer without going custom one off which is pricey. The poor piston design and valving is the problem. Plus most 200x shocks that have come though my shop have 2 cap fulls of oil and 0-5 PSI of nitrogen plus the bottoming bumper is almost always missing which makes the rear feel very soft.

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[oscarmayer]

Talk to onformula1 about anything suspension.


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[ironchop]

Is it affordable to have one valved correctly and rebuilt/ recharged? I would like to get mine done. A hot 200x would be infinitely better with new suspension. That's the weak link

[onformula1]

Is it affordable to have one valved correctly and rebuilt/ recharged? I would like to get mine done. A hot 200x would be infinitely better with new suspension. That's the weak link

I sent you a PM, too much to list.

[onformula1]

Most people extend the swinger on the rear half but considering that the 350x style shock is about 4" longer eye to eye I would extend it on the front of the brace and see where that gets you.

The problem with that mod is it changes the rising rate of the rear suspension and lowers the effective rate of the rear shock spring.

There is a different way..............

[oscarmayer]

Is it affordable to have one valved correctly and rebuilt/ recharged? I would like to get mine done. A hot 200x would be infinitely better with new suspension. That's the weak link

Surprisingly getting it done right is not much more than a normal rebuild from a specialist. Replacing some o-rings is. It a rebuild. That is a refresh. A rebuild replaces and mics parts for wear and replaces all those. It also revalves and resprings for rider's weight. All of which is important for it to work together correctly. One must understand ride technicial details before they can truely make the suspension work like it should.


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[Dirtcrasher]

I can't remember the exact deal, but I believe the 86 200X spring fits and is softer than the 85 200X spring. Because I was heavier and someone sold or gave me an 85 200X spring. IDK how much you weigh but a custom shock is the way to go.

I will have an AXIS rear shock on the 350RX (Well, it's been ordered) with soft ride suspension, hi and low speed compression damping adjustments and a spring for my weight. They are not inexpensive :lol:

I'd gusset the frame and do something with the front downtube, the 83-85 200X's like to break there!!

[Jmoozy27]

The problem with that mod is it changes the rising rate of the rear suspension and lowers the effective rate of the rear shock spring.

There is a different way..............

It seems that it would if you used the same shock. But what if you used the 350x shock and built the 200x swingarm to have a similar angle? Wouldn't it be essentially the same.

[oscarmayer]

I'd gusset the frame and do something with the front downtube, the 83-85 200X's like to break there!!

Thanks DC! Yea it sounds like the front tube and engine mounts are the weakness.


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[83ATC185]

dc what is the benefit to having the extra reservoir on those? Those sure are purdy :drool:

I'm pretty sure the only problem with the shock i have now is my stomach. I'm keeping an eye on this, I've been wanting to do a little something to my 200x. Its been stock in the year since I've had it but I'm starting to want more from it.

[oscarmayer]

Talk to onformula1. He can help mod it so it feels like a couch. ;)


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[onformula1]

It seems that it would if you used the same shock. But what if you used the 350x shock and built the 200x swingarm to have a similar angle? Wouldn't it be essentially the same.

If you used the 350X shock which is about 4" longer and is about a 1/2" bigger in diameter and stuffed it in there at the same angle you are fine.

Now the issues are-

Stuffing it in there correctly so it doesn't hit anything. They are much bigger.

Fitting a shock reservoir that is about twice the size in the stock mounts.

Trimming the larger 350X top shock eyelet down to size.

Trimming the swing arm pivot point because the 350X shock is narrower.

Buying a new rear spring because the 350X spring is much, much softer.

[Jmoozy27]

If you used the 350X shock which is about 4" longer and is about a 1/2" bigger in diameter and stuffed it in there at the same angle you are fine.

Now the issues are-

Stuffing it in there correctly so it doesn't hit anything. They are much bigger.

Fitting a shock reservoir that is about twice the size in the stock mounts.

Trimming the larger 350X top shock eyelet down to size.

Trimming the swing arm pivot point because the 350X shock is narrower.

Buying a new rear spring because the 350X spring is much, much softer.

Copy that, well spoken, I guess my coonassenginuity takes over sometimes... But for the budget rider (like myself) if done right it could work.

[onformula1]

Copy that, well spoken, I guess my coonassenginuity takes over sometimes... But for the budget rider (like myself) if done right it could work.

Yeah, anything can work if you have a welder. :lol:

I am working on a better, cheaper way. I know it will work, I just want to get the details worked out.

Think- Better than a 2015 200X if Honda still built trikes.

coonassenginuity? Never heard that before.

[Jmoozy27]

Yeah, anything can work if you have a welder. :lol:

I am working on a better, cheaper way. I know it will work, I just want to get the details worked out.

Think- Better than a 2015 200X if Honda still built trikes.

coonassenginuity? Never heard that before.

That sounds awesome, definitely want to hear more on this subject.

Coonassenginuity- the use of makeshift technical knowledge stemming from the bayous of southern Louisiana. Most of this knowledge comes from staring at something for long periods of time. Other forms include trial & error, jerry rigging, and my personal favorite, shot in the dark.

[oscarmayer]

That sounds awesome, definitely want to hear more on this subject.

Coonassenginuity- the use of makeshift technical knowledge stemming from the bayous of southern Louisiana. Most of this knowledge comes from staring at something for long periods of time. Other forms include trial & error, jerry rigging, and my personal favorite, shot in the dark.

you forgot red-neck engineering! :) nothing wrong with it, just different. :) sometimes the attitude is make it work at any costs and they can tend to get pretty creative at times when they have too.

[onformula1]

I use OCD Engineering, of course I don't have much choice! :lol:

But It works for me.

[RapidRick]

If you used the 350X shock which is about 4" longer and is about a 1/2" bigger in diameter and stuffed it in there at the same angle you are fine.

Now the issues are-

Stuffing it in there correctly so it doesn't hit anything. They are much bigger.

Fitting a shock reservoir that is about twice the size in the stock mounts.

Trimming the larger 350X top shock eyelet down to size.

Trimming the swing arm pivot point because the 350X shock is narrower.

Buying a new rear spring because the 350X spring is much, much softer.

Kind of already overcome those issues a while ago, 2011 I think (wasn't the first) and attached a 350x front end on for good measure. I liked it, because it fit my riding style and worked very well for me.

[oscarmayer]

^ looks good sir!

[onformula1]

Kind of already overcome those issues a while ago, 2011 I think (wasn't the first) and attached a 350x front end on for good measure. I liked it, because it fit my riding style and worked very well for me.

Very nice I like it!

The build we are doing is from- oscarmayer, 3 different trikes, 3 different MX bikes, a bit of aftermarket, Joseph Farrow's help, pictures & info and a little bit of me.

All in a tidy little MX package, to bring a MX type trike to a quad track.

Here is my inspiration, Thank You Mr. Farrow 216034

Thank You oscarmayer for the 200X-MX idea before I remembered the trike in this picture.

It has been done before, but this will be a bit different.

[oscarmayer]

totally sweet looking!

ok hear is a teaser. ever wonder what it would be like to have the 350X complete suspension on a 200x? including rear swinger? We shall soon find out!!!! ;)

[onformula1]

totally sweet looking!

ok hear is a teaser. ever wonder what it would be like to have the 350X complete suspension on a 200x? including rear swinger? We shall soon find out!!!! ;)

Do you think it will work?, Do you have a welder? :lol:

[oscarmayer]

what's a welder? Don't they have superglue these days? Come on man Duhh you superglue it on and it's good.. :P

[onformula1]

I don't like superglue I keep gluing myself to myself.

JB weld it, if you can use JB weld are you a welder?

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[oscarmayer]

well POOP!!! I have to get another 350X triple tree cause we used the stem out of it for the custom Baja setup LOL. oh well.. ebay time!!!

[oldskool83]

The best suspension mods I have done to a 200x is the following:

83/84 250R triple tree (bore steering them to ID of 200x stem since 250R runs a smaller dia stem)
Bolt 250R forks to it and gain 3" or so.
everything else from a 200x bolts to it.
83 250R rear shock almost bolts to the 200X, you need to machine a new shock bushing for the top. The lower bolts to the swinger linkage like the factory 200x shock. You will need a new linkage made that sits 1 hole dia lower so you keep the rake and trail the same of the bike.

All this does it give you another 3 inches of travel in the rear. The bikes float like a dream them.

350X rear shock has a very high spring rate of about 800+ lbs I think I remember. The 250R one is softer.

This is the only way I would ride a 200x anymore. It is not a costly mody. I did my home works on this one years ago when I built one. All the information is in my HRE 200x thread if anyone needs to copy. Attached is the photos of the 83 R shock. you can not use the 84R shock is in an inch longer.

[oscarmayer]

^ cool man! thanks for the info!