200X kick starter issue

[elitespecialkid]

My 83 200x kickstarter has not always been engaging the engine to actually spin it. whats involved in taking it apart? pain to find parts for it? anything to look for?
Thanks
Elite

[Jmoozy27]

I don't have a 200x but that sounds like the one way bearing. You should have to remove the right side cover so get a new gasket as well.

[hoosierlogger]

You have to split the cases on a 200x to fix the kicker. A slipping kicker is a common problem on the first gens.

[YTZ drew]

The 1983's had several kicker issues. They had gear breakage issues, as well as issues with the ramps on the kicker ratchet wearing down (sounds like your issue). Be careful swapping parts, though. Honda made several changes during the first gen years 83-85. The pair of gears in the clutch cover changed after 83, and the gears inside the cases changed 3 times. The teeth on the internal gears changed between 83 and 84, and the gears got wider for 85, with a subsequent change to a narrower clutch bearing and a different first gear in the transmission to accommodate the wider kick gears. It will all interchange if you are very careful as to which parts you are using. I presently have the '85 first gear, kicker gears, and clutch bearing in my '84 cases.

[elitespecialkid]

so i will need to take the top end off and split the bottom end cases?

[Dave8338]

Yep. Only way to get at the gears.

[elitespecialkid]

Great, just what i wanted to do

[YTZ drew]

If you do split the cases to fix it, consider swapping on an ATC185/200S or an XR/XL185-200 head. They have the same ports and valves, but they have a compression release. I did this to my 200X, so I can take a little stress off my kicker gears and avoid the issue in the future.

[elitespecialkid]

If you do split the cases to fix it, consider swapping on an ATC185/200S or an XR/XL185-200 head. They have the same ports and valves, but they have a compression release. I did this to my 200X, so I can take a little stress off my kicker gears and avoid the issue in the future.

i may actually have a head your describing, ill have to look. sorta need to figure out when im gonna have money/time to do this project.

[elitespecialkid]

Is there someone who deals in the 83 kick starter gears and parts here on the board? Or is that more of and ebay type project?

[hoosierlogger]

I have a kicker gear set and shaft. I know nothing of the history of it, but it "looks good". It was in a box of parts I bought for a few gears I needed. $75 shipped and it's yours. pm me with any interest.

[yaegerb]

Done a couple of these and getting ready to do another one. If I were you I would find the parts numbers that you need and start calling shops/finding leads on OEM NOS parts. Its heartbreaking to do all of that work just to find you have to do it again.

[its_serg]

im in the same boat as well i took mine on the ice and noticed that its slipping and the only way to start it is about 2 kicks down. not to sure what it is.. spring, gear? can anyone help me on this?

[oldskool83]

you need to have the gears back cut, add a swapper on the kicker spring stretch it reinstall and go on with life. Its the only option anymore since kicker fix kits are totally rare. I did this to a decently built motor and no more issues.

Let the member above you handle this. He know someone that did my set and I was very happy.

[elitespecialkid]

you need to have the gears back cut, add a swapper on the kicker spring stretch it reinstall and go on with life. Its the only option anymore since kicker fix kits are totally rare. I did this to a decently built motor and no more issues.

Let the member above you handle this. He know someone that did my set and I was very happy.

yaegerb? he can cut the gears back cut and so on?

[yaegerb]

yaegerb? he can cut the gears back cut and so on?

I have a shop in STL that does them

[rdlsz24]

It's been an issue since the 200x was created. Here is a TSB from 1986.

http://200x.webs.com/documents/200xKickerSlip.pdf

Rob