atc 110 help

[elitespecialkid]

Hello,
picked up a atc 110 from a friend a few years ago, and decided its time to start work. Has a locked up engine (started stripping it down, gear box seems to spin properly, but will inspect.) I suppose my first two questions are, in the 4ish years it has sat here, we both managed to forget what year, so any help finding a vin number or other identifying factor would be greatly appreciated. Also, where would one go to try and find a preferably paper back copy of a manual for this thing (once the year is identified.) or digital version? I am familiar with two strokes (have an 85 FL350r Odyssey) and have done plenty of wrenching all across the board (cars, trucks, diesels, so on so forth) but would feel way more comfortable with a manual on hand. Pictures will come soon, Busy work load at the moment.
Thanks,
elite

[Daddio]

The year should be stamped somewhere on the front of the frame. As for paper manuals you can try your luck on ebay or you can try this link. Good luck with your project.

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/manuals/

[C.J]

Easiest way to tell is by if it's points or CDI or by the shape of the headlight


Probably rust seized from sitting up. Start pouring ATF down the cylinder if you can. It helps out a LOT. Trust me!! Lol

But yea. CDI vs points ignition is the biggest thing cause it tells you what year the engine is

[DohcBikes]

Headlight Schmedlight.

The easiest, ONLY, way to check the year on a honda 3 wheeler.

Look at the neck. 10th digit is a letter. A= 1980, and so on.

Yes, other rules apply to other brands and trikes made before 80.

Please report the finding if you get a chance.

[C.J]

I've got two 110 frames sitting in my shop that the vin is unreadable. So what now! Lol


But hey there ya go.

Did Honda skip i as well?

[jakep53]

pretty sure the skipped i because it looked like 1 and o because it looked like 0

[elitespecialkid]

Will check the front of the frame for a vin, still working on pics, pretty sure it has points.

[DohcBikes]

pretty sure the skipped i because it looked like 1 and o because it looked like 0

Nailed it, although actually they skip 0, because it looks like o,,,,they switch from letters to numbers every ten years.


I've got two 110 frames sitting in my shop that the vin is unreadable. It's still there. Google how to see it.

[elitespecialkid]

Alright guys, here are the promised pictures, let me know if there is anything else you would like pictures of. I did find the vin number and ran it through the vin decoding link on the home page of the board here, and it says i have an 1981 Atc 110. The trike was pretty much complete, i have the other various parts scattered around the garage.

[C.J]

It's still there. Google how to see it.

Ok I'll just google how to reconstruct steel that was ground down with a flap wheel because the PO called himself "restoring" them.

[DohcBikes]

Ok I'll just google how to reconstruct steel that was ground down with a flap wheel because the PO called himself "restoring" them.Its probably still there anyway.

The numbers are stamped for a reason. It compresses the molecules in the steel all the way through. There are people that can make it show up.

[C.J]

That's an 82+ engine and front end on an 81 frame if the vin says 81. That's the CDI engine. So, if you went by the vin and bought parts for the engine,, (such as cam, ignition coil, etc) you would get the wrong parts. Tadaaaaaa. It's a CDI engine, has a different crank, cam, flywheel, ignition coil, clutch, and stator vs the 81-79. So, there ya go. Don't rely solely on the VIN on the frame. Even though it IS a GREAT place to start, sometimes it will point you in the wrong directions. So DOHC please don't think I'm just arguing with you to argue with you, but with 110's it's best to go by if the engine is CDI or points.

[DohcBikes]

That's an 82+ engine and front end on an 81 frame if the vin says 81. That's the CDI engine. So, if you went by the vin and bought parts for the engine,, (such as cam, ignition coil, etc) you would get the wrong parts. Tadaaaaaa. It's a CDI engine, has a different crank, cam, flywheel, ignition coil, clutch, and stator vs the 81-79. So, there ya go. Don't rely solely on the VIN on the frame. Even though it IS a GREAT place to start, sometimes it will point you in the wrong directions. So DOHC please don't think I'm just arguing with you to argue with you, but with 110's it's best to go by if the engine is CDI or points.You are proving my point c.j.

The V.I.N. is the ONLY true indicator of the year of the original bike.

I said nothing about getting parts for things that have been changed on a bike over the years, you added that in yourself.

The discussion was what is the year of the bike.

Its an 81, you know how how I know for sure c.j.?????? Because that's what the V.I.N says it is.

I'm not arguing. I'm right, so I don't have to. I'm telling.

My 83 200x has a 2011 engine. What year is my bike? haha..


If you go by the V.I.N, you will get the right parts. Apparently his bike has the wrong parts on it, a whole engine it sounds like :D AAAANNNDD Nevermind cuz I trust pretty much anything shortline says and he says 81 engines have a CDI. Looks like the V.I.N. matches the motor too........;)

[shortline10]

1981 is the first year for CDI , 1980 was the last year for points !

[elitespecialkid]

Anyways, i got the piston freed (bike sat with open intake) but the cylinder wont come off, any ideas how to get it off? also, is there any numbers to identify the year of the engine? would like to get it sorted out.

[shortline10]

You have the correct 1981 motor .
Lube up the cylinder studs , they get stuck at the alignment pins .


Anyways, i got the piston freed (bike sat with open intake) but the cylinder wont come off, any ideas how to get it off? also, is there any numbers to identify the year of the engine? would like to get it sorted out.

[elitespecialkid]

After a prybar, rubber mallet, and some cursing, i removed the cylinder, and upon inspection it needs bored. Does versah or similar company make a gasket/seal kit for these bikes? Whats available through honda? Should i go to wiseco for a piston? What is out there for aftermarket cams or big bore kits?

[shortline10]

Not much out their as far as piston kits .
Try dratv.com and eBay .
If you want big bore high compression and other performance parts me .

[C.J]

1981 is the first year for CDI , 1980 was the last year for points !

My bad then,,, I try to remember too much stuff. Lol

And DOHC you ARE correct on identifying the year of the ORIGINAL bike. However, when you are ordering engine parts (such as what the OP needs) you need to know the year of the ENGINE. Take my LT250R for example. Frame says H = 87 model. Cylinder is an 88+. 87 piston is different than 88 piston. Not supposed to run an 87 slug in an 88 jug but you can run the 88 slug in the 87 jug. SO if you went by the year on the FRAME it would be the wrong piston and you bust the sleeve. I know if different than the ATC110 but it's something you have to consider. I'm not saying you're wrong at all. Just sometimes you need to look at other things (like the engine) to know what year parts you need to buy for. In no way shape or form was I saying that you were wrong. Just that sometimes it's better to go by other means to see.

Interested to see how you take that

[DohcBikes]

managed to forget what year, any help finding a vin number or other identifying factor would be greatly appreciated.
No problem, let's see here,


Easiest way to tell is by if it's points or CDI or by the shape of the headlight Nope.



CDI vs points ignition is the biggest thing cause it tells you what year the engine ishmmm, so if it has a CDI, what Year is it again? If it has points, what year....Remember now, we are looking for a specific year C.J., not a range. Stay focused now....


Headlight Schmedlight.

The easiest, ONLY, way to check the year on a honda 3 wheeler.

Look at the neck. 10th digit is a letter. A= 1980, and so on.Hey, this guy knows what he's talking about.


That's an 82+ engine and front end on an 81 frame if the vin says 81.Nope


Tadaaaaaa. It's a CDI engine, has a different crank, cam, flywheel, ignition coil, clutch, and stator vs the 81-79.Tadaaaaaa, this is also incorrect information according to shortline10, and we are not looking for a range, we are looking for a year. Most people would not list year ranges backwards, just sayin.


So, there ya go.Yep, there ya go.


Don't rely solely on the VIN on the frame. Actually, if you want to know the year of the bike, rely soley on the V.I.N., because that is why they have one.


So DOHC please don't think I'm just arguing with you to argue with youYou are arguing with nobody. Just saying things, as far as I can tell.

So to your last off base post I say the same thing.


You are proving my point c.j.

The V.I.N. is the ONLY true indicator of the year of the original bike.

I said nothing about getting parts for things that have been changed on a bike over the years, you added that in yourself.

The discussion was what is the year of the bike.

Its an 81, you know how how I know for sure c.j.?????? Because that's what the V.I.N says it is.

I'm not arguing. I'm telling.

My 83 200x has a 2011 engine. What year is my bike? haha..


I trust pretty much anything shortline says and he says 81 engines have a CDI. Looks like the V.I.N. matches the motor too........;)


My bad then,,, I try to remember too much stuff. No Comment.


And DOHC you ARE correct on identifying the year of the ORIGINAL bike. Ya, I know.


Ok so you are clearly out of your league here and scratching for a half a point. I get it. But no points for you.





Sorry elite, It just had to be done. I'll behave after this.

[C.J]

I was wrong, I admitted I was wrong, and admitted AGAIN I was wrong. And who gives a flying hoot if the year range is backwards? It's not like it's 1981-2079. Mike never said that I was wrong about the differences between the years in the engine. He has told me that HIMSELF when I was buying parts FROM HIM for one of my builds.

You've still yet to acknowledge the fact that I am right about going by the engine vin when ordering parts for the engine, which is what OP is asking. When an engine is seized, it needs: ENGINE PARTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, go by the vin on the: ENGINE!!!!!!!!!

Also:
http://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0
This would have been a helluva lot better way to end your post!

Shortline has spoken, OP has the info he needs, we are just being jackarses and dragging crap out. We are both stubborn it seems and neither will relent.

Send me a PM and we will have the internet argument of the AGES!!!!!! Lmfao

But anywhoot.

Engine vin is best to go by when ordering ENGINE parts. If it were a 350SBC in a 36 Ford coupe, you wouldn't by ford parts for the 350 my friend.

[DohcBikes]

People pm me to try to prove their point all the time. Hasn't worked out in their favor so far. Be my guest. :D

No need for me to relent, i'm not even acknowledging your information at this point because so far has been incorrect and/or irrelevant. Just responding to your posts, which will not continue. I don't want you to embarrass yourself any more. Have a good night.

[mendoAu]

Umm....I love debate. Anyhow I try to find stuff without starting a new thread so I got such a learning curve outta this one here's my post: Acquired a honda 110 today and negociating price (maybe $200) that has a frozen rear end. Don't know maybe rear end / tranny /frozen chain....don't care. I'll figure it out but trying to find out year, etc. and kinda looked for id on engine block to no avail. Front stamped frame is stamped TB0200BC212251 and head is stamped HM A4 and E2 6. Any help would help

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