Time to spark a bit of controversy!! 85 200ES..fact or fiction??..I got a pic!!

[dougspcs]

Cruising facebook this morning a 'HondaATC' group guy posts a bunch of scrap trikes he parting..Marc Fitzsimmons is his name.

He's got this 85 200ES..yes, I didn't typo!!

Even has a stem pic to show for it..I snagged the pic!! Kinda crap but it was dloaded from facebook so you get what you get!

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Hope he's a member and can post a VIN and more details.

If it's as true as it looks it must be a UK thing because of course in North America the 85 gave way to the 250ES and all it's marvelous improvements!

Gave me a bit of a mind blast to go with my morning coffee! I mean it's not an 87 250R or 350X, but still cool!

[MRSOUND]

I was gonna say maybe it's a "reframe" from a warranty claim of some sort? But then I seen the date on it is 6/84? I know most vehicle manufacturers start next yr production mid year. We've been building 2015 Harley's since the beginning of July. The whole 1985 on the label though, just keeps me scratching my head.:wondering

[3wheelrider]

might be a Big Red/Super Red from Australia or other country. i remember seeing the brochure pages/pics and seeing
year was diferent on some models vs the US imports. Dont remember exactly -could be wrong....dont thknk its a repro
decal.

[dougspcs]

I messaged him and asked if he could send the VIN for decoding and verification..hope it's not too rusty and can still be read!

[Big G]

might be a Big Red/Super Red from Australia or other country. i remember seeing the brochure pages/pics and seeing
year was diferent on some models vs the US imports. Dont remember exactly -could be wrong....dont thknk its a repro
decal.

Wasn't the Super Red available only in the 250ES? I think Doug's on to something different here in finding an '85 200ES. Never heard they existed, and to see a pic of the tag is interesting indeed. Thanks for sharing Doug!

[ericmreimer]

So does it look like a 200es or a 250es?

[dougspcs]

So does it look like a 200es or a 250es?

Well he did have this other pic of it also..

Definitely your standard 200ES bones..nothing 250ES about it.

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Hoping the owner gets back with more 411..love to know the story on this!

Interesting food for chatter though!

[ericmreimer]

It is definitely all 200es.

[atctim]

It's a 1985 ATC200ES. Yes, they were made, No they were not available in the US. So either this picture is from somewhere else on this planet besides USA, or someone imported it. It's really that simple.

You can read more about the 1985 200ES and pie in this thread:

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/28486-ATC200ES-Big-Red-1985

[ericmreimer]

I love pecan pie(especially with bourbon http://gardenandgun.com/article/bourbon-pecan-pie )....can't believe anyone would not love it too......oh and good info on an overseas 85 big red too lol

[Ghostv2]

I learned a lot off that thread. They call snow frozen rain over there, they made a 200es, and dont get people talking about pie on this forum.

[tripowersport]

What makes it rare being a 85 or 200es?..I had a few of 200es's and still have 2 rear's.there also on Craig list now. thanks.

[dougspcs]

What makes it rare being a 85 or 200es?..I had a few of 200es's and still have 2 rear's.there also on Craig list now. thanks.

Being an 85 200ES is the rare factor..since the 200ES was only built in 84. It was replaced with the 250ES for the 85 model year..

[tripowersport]

ok,sorry now I get it. thanks.

[kb0nly]

So the overseas 85 200ES had a solid forks on it? No suspension? Or is it likely that the one pictured above was a heinz 57 job?

I have seen the 200ES on UK forums, never saw anyone specifically mention one being an 85 but i guess they carried it over another year there.

[threewheelin-feelin]

it was probably just late model 84 200es big reds that had not been shipped out yet that they slapped different stickers on to sell as 85's. that is probably the same way the 88 250es came to be

[3wheelrider]

Hes on that OTHER site:D and lives in the UK -it seems. Could be a member here too?

[dougspcs]

Hes on that OTHER site:D and lives in the UK -it seems. Could be a member here too?

He is..he PMed me last night.

He's a new member and can't post in the Trikesylvania yet..his handle it 'toddy' and he already has a running thread in the New Member area with his 200ES's. He just hadn't mentioned they were 85s!!

And oh yeah, he has two of them!!

[dougspcs]

it was probably just late model 84 200es big reds that had not been shipped out yet that they slapped different stickers on to sell as 85's. that is probably the same way the 88 250es came to be

Yeah and I'm curious if the date code on the VIN verifies this..if they are standard built 84s that just didn't sell before the end of the model year and just get restickered as you suggest is my thought and question??

Marc (toddy) is gonna get me his VIN and hopefully we can check this!

[redsox]

funny. i posted about an 85 200es awhile back and i got slammed! i'll see if i can find the thread. i will admit that at the time i was ignorant that there was no domestically available 200es. i'd certainly never seen one. i think i'd just assumed that there were two es models available in 85. the reason i mentioned it to begin with was because my repair manuel mentioned 84-85 200es. i'm certainly no expert on which model was built in which model year, but i think stuff like this is really cool because i think it makes some "experts" think twice.

[dougspcs]

This little find sure challenged what I thought I knew of the 200ES..being an 84 model and no other year!

Keep your eyes open, there is always something new to learn and stuff you don't know that you thought you did!

If I was one of the guys in your face on your thread..I guess I owe you an apology!!

[toddy]

hi guys,yes the trikes are mine, 2 are 85s. one build june 84 the other built march 86.vins have been sent to doug

[toddy]

heres my vin off my trike with the 85 vin saying built in march 86
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/marc20111/vin86_zpsdc8a6b3d.jpg (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/marc20111/media/vin86_zpsdc8a6b3d.jpg.html)

[toddy]

and heres my other dated 6/84 but a 1985
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/marc20111/vin84_zps8e51850e.jpg (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/marc20111/media/vin84_zps8e51850e.jpg.html)

[toddy]

the one on the right is the 85 with the build date 3/86
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/marc20111/1375658_512578452162598_1791848487_n_zps8e5f22d9.j pg (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/marc20111/media/1375658_512578452162598_1791848487_n_zps8e5f22d9.j pg.html)

[toddy]

if anyones looking for a frame to get people talking then message me,bike will be a bare frame by the end of the day and isnt cracked etc, a wee clean and she would be a good frame to get people talking at ure local trike meet .

[dougspcs]

Now my heads in a twist.

An trike previously believed built only for the 1984 model year, labeled as a 1985, but built in 3/1986..crazy!

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Thanks for bringing this one to the party, Marc..!!

[toddy]

sure some people will not like this thread as i had someone message me on that other site saying mate there is no 85 200es. was gutted when i showed him my vin tags lol

[MRSOUND]

Most of us have seen models that were manufactured in the previous yr they were released as. It's pretty much the norm now with most vehicle manufacturers. But i've never seen a model manufactured the following year still labeled as the previous year. Not saying it's not legit, because I have no clue how it came about, but I just never came across that scenario or ever heard of it myself. Thanks for sharing! I'm just real curious to see if anyone will come up with the how or why.

[toddy]

yes i agree the 86 built one is a weird one,has matching numbers on the vin plate and on the stock of the frame so it is genuine. who has a link to the vin decoder

[Big G]

Man, you guys have some valid points. We need to email Honda on this one and ask them what the heck was going on! Maybe they won't even have an answer to this riddle :wondering

[toddy]

lol big g let us know what the responce is

[dougspcs]

sure some people will not like this thread as i had someone message me on that other site saying mate there is no 85 200es. was gutted when i showed him my vin tags lol

I would have told you were crazy making such a claim if I didn't see it myself..

But then a couple years ago I would have said an 88 250ES..impossible. But hanging in this site has shown me lots I thought as fact was wrong..

It's cool getting schooled once in a while..it's why I like this site!!

[toddy]

it gets better. my mate has a road legal one build date 12/84 but its a 85 model.its a 200es

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/marc20111/leescreg_zpse8627985.jpg (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/marc20111/media/leescreg_zpse8627985.jpg.html)

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/marc20111/leescreg2_zpsfb3925d2.jpg (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/marc20111/media/leescreg2_zpsfb3925d2.jpg.html)

[tripowersport]

ENGINE VIN tb05e-6000001~ = 1984 atc200es
Frame vin http://atcvin.webs.com/

[tripowersport]

Decoding Results: 1985 ATC 200es Big Red

[greenhuman]

Here is the I.D plate off one of my ATC70's. According to the plate build date it is an '87 model.
178672

[tripowersport]

Dose any one have or know about the 84, 85 and 87 atc250sr super red? I found the manual's for them and just wondering. thank you.

[tripowersport]

I didn't find a 87... engine vin # 1000001~ = 1973 atc70
1100001~ = 1974 atc70 atc70e-2000007~ = 1978 atc70
atc70e-2100001~ = 1979 atc70
tb03e-2000001~ = 1980 atc70
tb03e-2600001~ = 1981 atc70
tb03e-2700003~ = 1982 atc70
tb03e-2800001~ = 1983 atc70
tb03e-2900001~ = 1984 atc70
tb03e-3000001~ = 1985 atc70

[tripowersport]

I haven't seen this is year's.. http://www.3wheeler.org/trikeheaven/index.html

[redsox]

doug, if it was you, no apologies necessary, no worries all around. that is wild stuff, pre-dating trikes. it doesn't make any sense to me. i understand post-dating, and i understand vin-tagging leftover, post-consent decree stock as latter year models overseas, i.e. 88 250ES. but why pre-date? was there any decree, or ban, or talk of a ban in europe? was pre-dating a way to sell off stock that would have otherwise been banned? or maybe a move by honda in preparation for a ban that didnt happen?? wild, wild stuff.

[Afrothunderkat]

Only one explanation.... CONSPIRACY!

[King Trikester]

My first atc was a 1985 200es up in northern bc, Canada, I came across another one for sale the other day that was turned Into a quad

[redsox]

some discussion prior to this revelation

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/152427-Big-red-rear-fenders/page2?highlight=85+200es