NEED 200x triple tree, stroker and aftermarket suspension advice!

[hawaiirider]

tore my xl 200/200x conversion down due to smoking, while its down i want to go ahead and finish the build, heres my questions:

will a 81-82 250r triples bolt to my 200x head tube?

i have a wiseco 10.25 piston in my bike now, its torn down to inspect: is the 12;1 a huge difference in power? i didnt notice much in the 10.25 over stock. i do have electric start so i dont have to kick it.

while my motor is down is the powroll stroker any good? how much is it? there website is toast.

the stock rear shock is pretty good for jumping im suprised, but i go big sometimes so its cranked down and is stiff, what are my aftermarket shock options? i saw a works for 700$ i feel that is too much!

whats a good knobby for sand, i dont want to be stuck w a sand only paddle, i like square tires for good handling, i heard the kenda claw is good but its 6 ply, man thats gotta be heavy!

thanks for advice, ill be taking it, ill post pics when its done, it will be a flat out brand new bike very soon!!:p

[rg97]

ok I'll try to answer most of your ?'s
1- 250r triples- I dont know, but hopefully oldskool83 can bring some input because I know that he has done it
2- Piston- Only run the 12:1 if you plan on using race gas. With a stroker, powroll told me that the 12:1 is actually around 13:1, so I say no-go, but thats my opinion only. if you do get a stroker, you will need to buy a powroll pre-cut piston, or buy a piston and send it somewhere to be cut for a stroker crank. I did that with my 10.25:1, and it works great.
3- stroker- Powroll strokers are the best that you can get, i think they run $250-300 if I remember correctly. You send them your crank, they work on it. I have on in my X and I gained some low and top end but I saw the most gain in the middle.
4- Rear shock-There is a way to hook up a 250r rear shock, I dont know how, but once again oldskool83 did it to his, he can help you more than I can.
5- Tires- If you dont want paddles, I've had luck with ohtsu's PV301 aka P/V 301. Its a very soft tire especially with lower pressure and it works great on any terrain, even sand and snow.

[trizilla]

i think you can use the 83-84r front end. that whole set up will work better than stock.

as far as i'm concerned any comp ratio over 11:1 should use race gas. others may not agree.... is higher octane fuel gonna be easily available? if not stick to the 10.25:1.

of course any stroker crank is gonna produce gobs of power. be prepared to spend in the $750.00 if you get powroll to do it. and i'm not sure if they are in business. if they're out, look up 4 stroke tech.

$700 is not a bad price for a new shock, if you dont wanna spend that then get a HD spring, have the shock rebuilt, have it recharged, and you'll have 1/2 that into a 30 yr old shock body..

i dont know crap about running in sand. your on your own here.

[rg97]

Powroll strokers are not 750, When their website was last up I could have swore it was either 250 or 300
You might want to think about getting a cam from powroll or WEB, they make great power and work excellent with the stroker cranks and high comp pistons

[trizilla]

Powroll strokers are not 750, When their website was last up I could have swore it was either 250 or 300
You might want to think about getting a cam from powroll or WEB, they make great power and work excellent with the stroker cranks and high comp pistons


true, genius...... it is not $750 to have your crank stroked.....lol however, by the time you get done buying all honda parts, the only ones they will use, you will have $750 into it. are you aware of what goes into "stroking" the crank? after they remove your original crank bearings and timing sprocket they will be garbage if they arent already. then press your crank apart and there goes the pin. and no reputable shop is gonna re assemble your crank with a 30 yr old rod that they just shortened.. so do the math on this stuff wonderboy, you think your getting new pin,rod,bearing,timing gear, and labor to stroke it for 2-300?



after you get home from school tomorrow, call up powroll and ask what their price is on all of that. then report back with the real answer. you'll find out that number is around,,,,,, ding,ding,ding,,,,, $750.

and for the record, if he doesnt want to spend 7 bills on a new shock, he aint gonna drop the coin to have HRE do what oldskool did to the back of his 200x.

[rg97]

Hey, wait a minute, do you have a powroll stroker 200x? Whoops I dont think so!
Mine was cheap.
A few months ago someone complained that powroll's stroker was listed at 250 but it turned out to be around 450 because powroll accidentally ruined some of the crank parts and had to buy more. When you take the bike apart and put it together, you'lll need gaskets and o-rings. a bottom end kit is $40. so AT MOST its 500. Oh and yes, a new pin bearings and timing sprocket + labor is included in that price. I put a brand new piston, new valves ($100 for both OEM) , top & bottom gasket kit ($90 total), port and polish, stroker crank, and a full engine powdercoat for just over 700. I dont know where the mythical 750 comes from...

I may be younger than you but that doesnt automatically mean i'm an idiot, which is what you think obviously.

[rg97]

and for the record, if he doesnt want to spend 7 bills on a new shock, he aint gonna drop the coin to have HRE do what oldskool did to the back of his 200x.
I knew that he had it done, but I never read his entire thread on it. How am I supposed to know HRE prices? Oldskool was a possible place to look and to ask, and that doesnt mean that the PO was going to spend tons of $$ on his shock. Its a proof of concept, not a upgrade that the PO HAS to do.

[6speedthumper]

If I'm not mistaken it would be around (doing this from memory) $290 for Powroll to stroke my 350x crank. If I wanted it to be. I cannot remember if that was with a new rod or not. I just got their 5mil big bore. Just call them up. May take some time to get in touch with them, but, their stuff is awesome.

[hawaiirider]

apon inspection my piston looks good. i had to run some race gas with it anyways or the motor pinged.
im going to call powroll and ask how much, if it takes forever for them to do it im out, i want to ride my trike not look at it!
my friend swears a 99 rm 250 shock can mount up and is a huge improvement? sounds sketchy, the stocker will work for now...
id like to know about that 81-82 triple mounting up, i have a 83 front end on it now i want a wide tire

[oldskool83]

you cant use 83-84 trippples unless you bore the stems hole. 250R and 200x stems are different.

81-82 250r tripples are very wide. not sure if they would hit the scoops or not. i know with maier super scoops on my stock strpples they hit the scoops.

not sure why you want a fat tire on the 200x. they handle fine with out place you can get more then 2ply tires. with the skinny front ends you can swap new style 250R rims on there and run 23" quad front tires. I think going newer style then older would be more of a benifit but its your call.

I have a set of stock 200x tripples left over, just no stem. basicly they are a paper weight to me. I have YZ85 custom 200x tripples to run inverted fork set up also.

also a 99rm 250 rear shock will not fit. its going to be about 4-5 inches longer. the longest shock you can use on these 200x is a 83250R shock but you need to use a new dog bone in which i had come up with one but you need to contact HRE to have one made if you want to go that route.

this design is no half brained bold on either. its been tested and works...

if you want a good functioning rear end get a 83R shock, contact HRE have him make you this dog bone and go ride with 10inches of travel you will sit 2inches higher to to the trael and then dog bone adjusts right height correctly to be used with 250r/350x lenght forks

[hawaiirider]

i just want the wide front end for looks, ill bore the trips to fit my 83 shocks, i was just wanting to know if the trips bolt up.
my trike has the 83 trips on it now, all i did was make a spacer, works great, and can catch huge air successfully, ive pushed the limits.

i saw 4 stroke tech has a 250cc bore/stroke kit, any reviews?

[oldskool83]

81-82R complete tripples bolt on directly, the R guys run the 1st gen 200x front ends all the time. you dont need to bore anything if using them tripples.

[shortline10]

Trizilla is pretty close on powroll stroker crank price. The 300.00 is just the cost of machine work .

[rg97]

Ok. Lets say I want to send my crank to powroll. I send them $300, and they ruin my crank bearings and timing sprocket. I checked at my local honda, and you can buy 2 new bearings from honda for $50, and a timing sprocket is $25. If they somehow magage to ruin your crank pin, thats another $30.
All in all thats about 400-450 dollars. Wheres the extra $300 come in?

[trizilla]

Trizilla is pretty close on powroll stroker crank price. The 300.00 is just the cost of machine work .

thank you....:)

[yaegerb]

I am looking at my bill from Powroll.

I had them set up my stroker kit 2 years ago and my total bill was for $500.00. They replaced my main bearings, cam sprocket, connecting rod bearing and gave me the +6 short rod along with relocating my crank pin.

[shortline10]

They took care of you also figure in shipping and tax and I wanted a xr rod
. Yes their pricing is deceiving.

I am looking at my bill from Powroll.

I had them set up my stroker kit 2 years ago and my total bill was for $500.00. They replaced my main bearings, cam sprocket, connecting rod bearing and gave me the +6 short rod along with relocating my crank pin.

[hawaiirider]

Ive decided to go with no stroker, its just too much money. I will order a works shock instead, how much improvement in cush can expect with it though? 700$ im expecting a magic carpet ride!! im going to run a wiseco 12.1 as long as the piston life is the same as stock? we have plenty of race gas here in the oregon dunes.
im still looking for a 81-82 250r front trips, hub, and front axle, anyone got these parts for sale? id trade my 83/s for them, mine are show powdercoated.
thanks

[trizilla]

when you order your works shock they should ask things like rider weight, riding style, terrain, etc. you should be getting a shock built to your specific needs. i would think it would work great as long as your accurate with your info to them.

[shortline10]

Expect about 1/3 the life out of a 12.1 wiseco over a stock piston also 100 octane race gas will be needed with the 12.1 . The 10.25 wiseco is a better choice for a rider and premium gas is still needed to run that .
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Ive decided to go with no stroker, its just too much money. I will order a works shock instead, how much improvement in cush can expect with it though? 700$ im expecting a magic carpet ride!! im going to run a wiseco 12.1 as long as the piston life is the same as stock? we have plenty of race gas here in the oregon dunes.
im still looking for a 81-82 250r front trips, hub, and front axle, anyone got these parts for sale? id trade my 83/s for them, mine are show powdercoated.
thanks

[hawaiirider]

im going with the 10.25 then,] its all about reliability [/B]or id be riding something else other than a 200x:D

[rg97]

The 200x is about as reliable as they come. It'll run till the wheels fall off and then keep going for another few years

[hawaiirider]

200x + bulletproof!
hows the strokers reliability by the way? ive heard it shortens piston life?
i just know my bike is30 years old and just needed a rebuild so i want it to be reliable enough for another 10 years without a teardown

[rg97]

Most will say that they shorten the life of everything, and they may be right, but a testimonial on my part, I have a US90 engine that is pushing 160cc with a powroll 18mm stroker and LOTS of other performance parts, and it has ran for the last about 30 years. Granted, it was not ran a ton between about 1990 and early 2000's, but I know for a fact that it still hauls the mail to this day. It will outrun a stock 200x