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JMiller
12-18-2003, 10:47 PM
I just rebuilt my 87 KXT 250. I decided to rebuild because it was smoking and fouling the plug after @ 8 min. of riding.It would start to kinda load up then no power and eventually stall. So I yanked apart the motor, replaced the crank bearings, crank seals, piston, rings and,all other seals.
Now I take it out for the first time and it does the same thing after being rebuilt. The carb is spotless. I did notice my needle on the slide was bent at the top, icould this be the cause,. Should i get a new carb? Do you guys think this is a carb or fuel problem? The fuel I used was fresh. here is a pic of the plug. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Tri-Z Pilot
12-19-2003, 05:35 AM
That plug doesnt look fouled, you must have the notorius tecate stator problems, I bet that after the bike cools down, you go and start it, it will run like a champ for 10 mins, then start to die.

Lots_Of_Nothing
12-19-2003, 05:44 AM
looks to me like your main jet is too small

JMiller
12-19-2003, 11:14 AM
It will start right up when i replace the plug, even right after it dies. It also seems to smokes alot.

JMiller
12-19-2003, 11:59 AM
If the stator were going bad, is there any way to test it? Also, if it was the stator, would that cause the plug to foul? When I pul the plug after it dies, there is dark liquid around the plug, it is thin like fuel, is this fuel? Please help!!!!

J.D.
12-19-2003, 12:10 PM
That pic of the plug you pulled, did you clean it up first or is that straight out of the engine? If you cleaned it that won't let us see what's really going on!

sportvette
12-19-2003, 12:11 PM
i vote stator. but i dont have the bike to tell. has the stator ever been changed? as far as i hear they go bad all the time and not good to replace it with the same oem type.

http://www.rickystator.com/pages/Tecate3_Stator.html

i will buy one of these when i have trouble with my bike. that wont be until i actually get it back together. so it wont be for awhile.

thanks,
mark

J.D.
12-19-2003, 12:17 PM
Actually now that I think about it I'm leaning towards stator/flywheel problems. When my Tri-Z ran, my stator plate screws came loose and it was bouncing around and throwing timing everywhere. It would continuously eat plugs every 10-15 mins or so, and like you if I threw a new plug in, she'd fire right up and go another 10-15 mins. Good luck!

JMiller
12-19-2003, 12:23 PM
The stator has been replaced @ 8 years ago. My stator plate is tight and in the position it should be.

J.D.
12-19-2003, 12:41 PM
It could have went bad in that time! Are the magnets still glued on the flywheel? I hear all the time how they come off due to cheap glue.

TimSr
12-19-2003, 12:42 PM
If thats the plug, as it came out of the bike, its not fouled. It looks like its not getting any fuel. Right after it dies, check for spark. When a stator goes bad, you will either have no spark at all, or it will spit and sputtter really bad when its running. If a new plug solves the probem, even temporarily, its probably not the stator, but switch plugs back and forth to make certain its consistant that the plug has failed, and a not a result of your changing position of the plug wire when you replaced it.

Also check fuel flow all the way through Pull the line off of the carb and turn the gas on. If its good there, reconnect to the carb, and then open the carb drain and turn on the gas again. This will assure that its flowing through the float needle and seat. If you get a stuck or clogged needle and seta, it may run fine until teh bowl emties, and then, just by having it off for a couple of minutes, enough gas enteres the bowl to reume running until the bowl again empties. A float set too low will give the same symptoms.

JMiller
12-19-2003, 01:02 PM
But where is the smoke coming from?

J.D.
12-19-2003, 01:04 PM
What color smoke is it, Black, White, or Blue?

JMiller
12-19-2003, 01:06 PM
More of a white color

J.D.
12-19-2003, 01:10 PM
Well without describing "blue" smoke to you, this leaves us with two options. Blue smoke to the untrained eye would probably look like white smoke, but it has a bluish tint to it, not completely blue like the sky.

White smoke means your sucking coolant into the cylinder.

Blue smoke would mean oil. Does it smoke after it's warmed up good?

200x Basket
12-19-2003, 02:32 PM
will it run if you put an old plug back in later? i may be electrical :? do you have any spare parts that you could change out?

if you do buy a ricky stator flywheel/stator talk to me first. I have a new one that i bolted on and started my trike once, i never even rode it, that i will sell you for a better price then new.

JMiller
12-19-2003, 02:43 PM
It doesnt smoke that much after its warmed up. If the smoke is from oil, where is the oil coming from? Thats the reason I decided to rebuild the motor because I thought the cranks seals were bad. Now the crank seals are new, and the motor does the same thing.

JMiller
12-19-2003, 02:45 PM
If I put a old plug back in later it wont start or anything. If I clean the plug it will start and run for a couple of minutes

Jeb
12-19-2003, 02:51 PM
You can have YOUR stock stator fixed for $75. Try Stator Corp, Electric-Tech, or Ricky Stator for fixing yours. I've been running on a fixed one in my 86 since 99.

Stator Corp in Milford, Mass. did mine. They also have a well known junkyard. can't remember the name. TimSr knows the one I can't remember!

JMiller
12-19-2003, 02:53 PM
So do you guys think its the stator or the carb??? If the stator was bad, would it smoke???

Lots_Of_Nothing
12-19-2003, 03:00 PM
yes, the bad stator will equal in weak spark, causing all the gas/oil to not burn all the way, which equals smoking from inadequate combustion

J.D.
12-19-2003, 06:58 PM
Well if the smoke stops when it warms up, that is normal on a 2-stroke.

Now all you fellas are saying it seems leaking crank seals cause the engine to smoke AFTER it's warmed up? I thought I had tranny fluid(oil) on my crankshaft in the Z, but it stopped smoking after it warmed up(when it ran)???