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olive123
12-17-2003, 08:03 PM
there is a good deal on one here. he is a pretty big kid. any thoughts?
can it be governed?

trikeman
12-17-2003, 08:08 PM
Well my first ride was a 110, and i started riding it at 4 years old. Ummm i'm not sure but i think it can kind of be governed with a small screw near the throttle. or you can just leave it in low gear.

TRI-Zbrian
12-17-2003, 08:15 PM
yeah i dont think it would be a bad choice like said already im pretty sure also it has a type of throttle stop that can be adjusted by tightening a screw on the throttle. go for it if its a nice deal if you find your 6 year old isnt big enouph then ix it up a bit and wate a year or two. but i think if your 6 year old is big for his/her age he/she will be fine

TimSr
12-17-2003, 08:56 PM
The 110's tip over much easier than the bigger ones, and they may seem small to an adult, but when they land on a 6 year old, the consequences could be terrible. Every time somebody brings up a tragedy, the first thing asked is "why would someone put a inexperienced child on that thing?" and the first comment is always, "it wasnt because of the trike, it was because of the inexperienced rider". Remember, its not about whether the kid can handle the power, but whether the kids body can handle the weight of the trike landing on him. Speed usually isnt the biggest factor in tragedies involving small kids, but the weight of the machine. First, assume, your kid WILL roll it. How will his body handle it?
The TriZingers are the most stable, light, and great for 6 year olds, big or small. Youve also got the ATC 70's all over the place, a little heavier, and a little more top heavy. Youve also got tons of great little inexpensive Taiwan made quads out there.
Please dont put your 6 year old on a 110! I dont want people to be on here once again, blaming the parent and defending the trike an accident happens on.
Ive been all through training TimJr starting at 3 1/2 on a TriZinger. Now he's 9, and at 90 lbs, I just started letting him ride the ALT125.

jenndnn3
12-17-2003, 10:53 PM
Im with Tim on this one....even have the kids to prove that theory.... I have an 8 year old, and because of her size, At 43 pounds she cant control the trike. (yes I know I have tiny kids) But she is my best rider (shifts smoothly, jumps on occasion just dont tell her, loves to race). My 9 year old does ride a 110, but is a putter she is 65 pounds. She doesnt race around or go crazy like the 8 year old does so I am ok with her riding it. If my eldest was not a slow poke, she probably would not be riding this trike. But she is more mature, and capable of handling the trike and can lift it when she rolls it (and she has rolled it). Even with all that she still prefers the automatic quads. My 6 year old prob wont touch the 110 till he is 12. I made the mistake of offering a 70 to him and he has hated em. Oh yeah he rolled it 2nd day in. With shifting and some mechanical issues in the beginning he wont touch it. He frustrates easily and loves things simple and working. Each child is different I will say that. There are many factors to take into acount. And with your child consider every single one of them with extreme care. I can say, for a fact, all 3 of my children prefer the quad over the trikes.
Suspension is a major factor.......Just an ole lady's opinion.....Jen

olive123
12-17-2003, 11:55 PM
youve made good points tim.

Howdy
12-18-2003, 10:24 AM
The 110's tip over much easier than the bigger ones, and they may seem small to an adult, but when they land on a 6 year old, the consequences could be terrible. Every time somebody brings up a tragedy, the first thing asked is "why would someone put a inexperienced child on that thing?" and the first comment is always, "it wasnt because of the trike, it was because of the inexperienced rider". Remember, its not about whether the kid can handle the power, but whether the kids body can handle the weight of the trike landing on him. Speed usually isnt the biggest factor in tragedies involving small kids, but the weight of the machine. First, assume, your kid WILL roll it. How will his body handle it?
The TriZingers are the most stable, light, and great for 6 year olds, big or small. Youve also got the ATC 70's all over the place, a little heavier, and a little more top heavy. Youve also got tons of great little inexpensive Taiwan made quads out there.
Please dont put your 6 year old on a 110! I dont want people to be on here once again, blaming the parent and defending the trike an accident happens on.
Ive been all through training TimJr starting at 3 1/2 on a TriZinger. Now he's 9, and at 90 lbs, I just started letting him ride the ALT125.

Very good point TimSR!!
Lets look back at what happened at the Badlands. My youngest rides a atc70 and does so petty good. He wanted to ride TimJr's Raptor 80. The machine is about 2 times as much as the atc70. He was doing real good ( mud, water, sand, & some hills ) until we started to head back to the truck. He went up a hill and it ended up flipping back over on him. It happened so fast that TimSr and myself could only watch. We were there VERY Quickly though.
Anthony could have been hurt very badly if he hadn't into a rut in the trail. He only ended up with minor injuries. Small cut on his finger/hand and a rasberry on his arm. The quad actually was worse off.
Anthony had no desire to ride that quad again. He wanted NO part of it. Luckily TimSr and myself talked him into at least riding it back to the truck. He rode it back with no real problems.

Now Anthony has rolled the atc70 onto himself a couple times and only hurt his pride. The atc70 is a good size for him.
I have 70's, 90's, & 110's myself ( too darn many of 90's and 110's ). Even with almost 2 years of hard riding under his belt, I will not allow him to ride the 90-110's by himself. Only if I am with him can he ride a bigger machine. Only when he gets older and bigger will I allow it. I love my kids and will do what it takes to keep them safe.

FYI, Anthony had a lot of training from me before he was even allowed to ride the atc70 by himself. I even staged a accident to show him what to do just incase.

Bottom line is: I advise to not get him a over sized machine ( for him ) . You might spend a litle more buying a atc70, but 1 trip to the hospital will wipe out any savings you might get by buying a 110 because it was cheaper. ;)

Just my 2 cents.
Howdy

Jeb
12-18-2003, 10:41 AM
I started at age 9 on a 70. I would not start my 6 or 9 year old out on a 110. Just my opinion.

mymint87
12-18-2003, 12:16 PM
i would let em ride if their willing. i would closely supervise them and make sure they have gear on. also the restrictions would be set according to their riding skills (keep em on flat land). the biggest problem i have had with young experienced riders is having the ability to ride. but not having the ability to remember, "DONT PUT YOUR FOOT DOWN"....hehe

i have axle extensions on both my beginner trikes.

Darius1502
12-18-2003, 01:07 PM
Man...I sure don't like the picture of that skinny kid on that 110 or 90. Sorry!

TimSr is absolutely correct! If we never had kids riding trikes in the first place then I doubt trikes would have ever gone through the consent agreement and then non-production.

I mean would you ever put a 6 year of on a CR 125? Oh...what about a KX 85??

Why is it that people automatically assume that since its a 3 or 4 wheeler its somehow easier to ride? I know....you don't have to balance it so any moron could ride them.....

Well thats the irony that ruined our sport!

Don't show me that pic of the skinny kid on the 110 again...especially without a freak'in helmet!!

Sorry if I am bieng rough here but that picture brought back images of the 20/20 show and I was only 12 when that came out!!

Darius

TimSr
12-18-2003, 01:37 PM
If you get bad techincal advice on here you can ruin a bike, or you can spend and lose a lot of money. We are discussing a childs safety in this post.

If Im wrong, your child may not get to ride a 110 this Christmas, and may be upset, when he might have been enjoying his new oversized trike.

If the people telling you to go ahead are wrong, you could vistiting him in the hospital or funeral parlor.

I guess youll have to weigh the odds, the risks, and the consequenses, and decide just how much you are willing to bet and risk on the opinions of strangers posting on a message board. Im willing to take certain risks when it comes to money, and sometimes even my own safety based on others opinions. Id need better odds before betting my kid's safety.

J.D.
12-18-2003, 01:56 PM
I see no problem with it, but I would train him first, and only let him ride it with me on it til he got older. You keep control of the throttle, too. The very first trike I ever rode was a YTM225, and I was 9 years old. Man was that thing a blast. My thing is though, I'm always VERY cautious when trying new machines, so I just took it easy and within an hour I was tearing it up 55mph down the back of my land on the flats, but, like I said only after I learned my limits, and learned the machine and respected it. Only thing was, I wish the guy letting me ride it would have had enough sense to make me put a helmet on. I was only 9 years old, I didn't think of such things as helmets. Anyways, it's up to you really whether your 6 yr old should ride a 110, but in my opinion it would probably be safest to start him up with the smallest and move up as time and skill progresses.

hondatrikesrule22
12-18-2003, 02:38 PM
I would start him out on a zinger.They have a safety switch,and can be goverened so it can't even move.They have been going for about $450 on ebay.I have one and they are a very good machine. :)

Billy Golightly
12-18-2003, 05:11 PM
Man, I guess I had it rough starting on a Big Red 200 at 5 :shock: :oops:


I would definetly consider (and prefer) a ATC70, a Zinger, or even an ALT50 before the 110.

mymint87
12-18-2003, 11:12 PM
seems like once again the self-anointed dinosaurs have reared their ugly heads on this one...

when will the dinosaurs die off?

when ANYONE wants to let their child ride ANYTHING at WHATEVER AGE...it's their perogitive...isn't it?

the moderators should've been all over this one.....

props to HondaATC for trying to lighten it up a bit ...but it was too late my friend, you shouldn't have to play referee...god knows you and the team already do enough for all of us....

Olive123 props to you for wanting to promote and pass along the love of 3wheeler riding to your sibs

its not about CHILD ENDANGERMENT EITHER....ya stinky liberal

its about freedom of choice.....


oh btw for all you anal retentives out there...heres a pic of my then 8 yr old daughter on my 350x @ gordons well sand drags doing about 40mph+....THATS MY GIRL

Jeb
12-19-2003, 01:16 AM
I'd much rather a see a pic of your daughter racing down the strip on that fully suspended 350x in full riding gear instead of the other pic of the kid in shorts & no helmet, riding a nonsuspended, balloon tired, old school ATC.

And your right! Its your business what you let your kids ride. And no body's business to tell you any different. And letting your kids ride is not child endangerment. But good common sense is a must! You've obviously taken the time to train your kids how to ride a trike. And I know you're ready to take full responsibility, heaven for bid, in the event she ever loses control of that X at 40+ MPH. Or the little boy flips that bouncy full size atc with out a helmet.

But most people dont do that. that's been the whole problem since day one. turn the kid loose because ATVs appear safer than motorcycles. The kid ends up hurt and so does the sport. and the parents look for someone with deep pockets to blame other than their selves so that they can live with their selves. And then the damn environmentalists use the child injury issues to push their agendas. next thing you know, no more ATVs or land to ride on.

just m .02 :D

TimSr
12-19-2003, 01:41 AM
seems like once again the self-anointed dinosaurs have reared their ugly heads on this one...
when will the dinosaurs die off?

>>>Probably never, since we take reasonable, sensible care to preserve our offspring.

when ANYONE wants to let their child ride ANYTHING at WHATEVER AGE...it's their perogitive...isn't it?

>>>Children are people, not property. They do not have the maturity to exercise good judgment in all situations. That is the job of parents. We would hope THEY would be mature and responsible enough to exercise good judgement in their safety. When they dont, its sometimes necessary for the state to step in.

the moderators should've been all over this one.....

>>> A Moderator's job is not to remove or edit opinions. Moderators edit profanity, posts provoking fights, and name calling, like the one you have just posted which hits two out of three.

props to HondaATC for trying to lighten it up a bit ...but it was too late my friend, you shouldn't have to play referee...god knows you and the team already do enough for all of us....

>>>Yes, all the tragedies involving minor children that people have posted about over the years on this site should be taken a lot more lightly.

Olive123 props to you for wanting to promote and pass along the love of 3wheeler riding to your sibs

>>>Yes, I agree, and 6 years olds are just exactly who those 50's, 60's, and 70's were made for.

its not about CHILD ENDANGERMENT EITHER....ya stinky liberal

>>>Child Endangerment is a legal term, and involves negligence. This guy was seeking more information so he could make an informed decision with good judgement. That is what a parent is supposed to do.

>>> Anyone who could possibly read a half dozen posts of mine, and determine that I am a liberal could seriously use some work on their judgement skills.

its about freedom of choice.....

>>> You have all the freedom in the world to risk your own safety if you are an adult. Children are not your property. You do not have any right to negligently risk the safety of your child. They can not be abused, neglected, injured, or disposed of. They are people under your care.


oh btw for all you anal retentives out there...heres a pic of my then 8 yr old daughter on my 350x @ gordons well sand drags doing about 40mph+....THATS MY GIRL[/quote]

>>>I see you take great pride in your own reckeless endangerment of your child. (yes, that term applies here). Since reasonable judgement, and some simple physics will never convince you of how dangerous this is, I sincerely hope she survives long enough to sue you for everything when she realizes what kind of risk you were willing to put on her to stroke your own ego, instead of us on this board discussing yet another tragedy where people ask, "what kind of a parent would put an 8 year old on a 350x?"

smokinwrench
12-19-2003, 02:16 AM
Tri Zinger is a good safe trike in my opinion. The only problem I have with them is the hand brake. I have watched my 5 year old ride. When he uses the brake it is hard enough to pull that he looks down at the lever and pulls it and I see the handle bars pull to the left as he brakes. I know it has got to be hard for him to pull on them.

On the other hand it is more scary watching him when hes not paying attention to where he is going. That is the biggest problem we have here. We watch him like a hawk when we are riding.

Josh

Tri-Z Pilot
12-19-2003, 02:51 AM
The only thing that I can say is that if you do go with the 110, look into smaller, less bouncy tires, and axle extenders. Make sure that they learn the proper "body english" for riding a trike, you might even be better off finding a 200x with a 185 engine and low profile tires, and a carb that has the throttle stop screw feature, I am sure that would be safer than the 110, but I could be wrong. I would say go with something like a tri- zinger, or atc 70.
tri-zinger or atc 70-$600
Helmet-$60
chest protector-$50
The safety of your child-Priceless
We cant influence you to not get a 110 for your child, that is your decision, but the money you may be saving on this deal, is nowhere near the price on your child's life.

Darius1502
12-19-2003, 03:41 AM
I am sorry if I upset anyone with my comments. I am not a do good liberal by an stretch of the imagination.

I do not like to see a child that weighs less than 1/3 of the trikes total weight wearing no helmet, shorts, a short sleeve shirt and low cut socks.

It also bothers me that the child is riding a balloon itred unsuspended trike which has notoriously been known to flip over.

You may believe that it is your right to recklessly endanger the life of your child but you mistaken. I certainly am not obligated to keep quiet when I see yet another person endangering the life of another and potentially damaging (yet again) our already slain sport.

I enjoyed your 200x pictures and think your trike is nice. I think the pic of your 8 year old on the 350X is atrocious!

I don't think your will defend your actions if (heaven forbid) one of yours is harmed in a serious ATV accident as I have seen so many other get harmed.

Of course I may be totally off here and your children may be as talented as Mary Hart....so if that is the case I offer my apologies.

I hope that God watches over you and yours...and gives you the wisdom to exercise some control and judgment.

God Bless and keep safe!

Darius

J.D.
12-19-2003, 12:11 PM
p.s. my rule, and one i have hear alot, is; when your sittin on the seat of the bike/trike and you cant touch the ground with your feet (usually flatfoot) then you dont belong on that bike...............And another, if you cant start it, then your not ready for it, now i would LOVE to see a 8 yr old girl start a 350x

I totally agree with that. That's a rule I've made for my brother and sister is if they wanna ride my toys they have to start them. My brother is 12 years old, and he has rode my Tri-Z, my TL250, and my TLR200 as well as the YTM200. Of course I've trained him and made sure he's ready to go every step of the way, and I keep a sharp eye on him when he rides. Man did he have a blast riding my Tri-Z when it still ran :)

Wickedfinger
12-19-2003, 08:10 PM
All I can say is ..... wow. Mymint87, once again, you have confounded me with your inane logic - but - it is your opinion and you have every right to it.

yamaha225dx
12-19-2003, 08:40 PM
Hmmm, So your telling me that My parents were irresponsible??? I was riding a 110 at 3 and a half years old... In the snow. I still have the eight track to prove it. They had to come out and shut the three wheeler off and pull me off of it because I was having so much fun. When I was twelve I broke my leg on a three wheeler... Why? I was going to fast and didn't realize that there was loose gravel on a road that I had traveled numerous times. Who's fault is that?? Mine and mine alone. I wrecked three wheelers and was out of comission numerous times and I loved riding those things. I still do not wear a helmet and even riding street bikes the only time I wear a helmet is if it is cold or rainy. I love the feel of the wind blowing in my face.... I know for a fact that wearing a helmet impairs my vision, I am not aware of things I would be without a helmet on..... Anyway, I think it is a parents choice and I think my parents chose wisely..... Granted this was before the government told everyone that seatbelts save lives (bull crap) and helmets save lives (bull crap) Responsible driving and being alert to your surroundings and others saves lives and limbs.

AirManCam
12-19-2003, 09:12 PM
yamaha225dx your saying helmets dont save lives? I have no idea what your smoking. maby if you got off your moped and on a real street bike you would realize that you want ahelmet. I wouldnt not be here becuase of a bad car accident I had 3 years ago. If I didnt have a seat belt on I would have went though the windshield and right though a tree! And about helmets...I was riding my X when I was 15 and I was riding through a trail I rode many times and theres a little mud whole I hit it too fast the wheeler went one way I went he other and I smashed my head off a rock...If I didnt hvae a helmet I dont think I would be here.... :rolleyes:

J.D.
12-19-2003, 09:16 PM
I have no idea what your smoking

I dunno, but he better start sharing! That's some good shiat! :twisted:

84250r
12-19-2003, 09:19 PM
The moral is"WEAR YOUR HELMET,STUPID!!!!!!"

smokinp
12-19-2003, 09:23 PM
I had a 125m,but i didnt ride it until i was 9...i think i would wait if i was you cuz they are tippy trikes and kinda big for a child.

yamaha225dx
12-19-2003, 09:35 PM
as for my small trikes, they are in the sig.

AirManCam
12-19-2003, 09:55 PM
I hope you stay that lucky yamaha225dx. Most people dont have that kind of luck...seatbelts dont always save lifes. When my best friend was 15 his mom was giving her friend a ride to work and was hit and kileld by a drunk driver... :(

J.D.
12-19-2003, 10:00 PM
try a 1100 yamaha virago???

Any self-respecting Harley rider would beat you up for riding that crap, so you better shut your mouth about what motorcycle gangs would do to other people.

kybishop
12-19-2003, 10:37 PM
I would start the 6 year old on an ATC 70 for sure. I started on an ATC 90 about 25 years ago at about 11 years old. Something like that anyway as best as I remember. I then graduated and bought a 200x new in 1985. My six year old has a 70 now and I still have the 200x I bought in 1985. My wife has a 110. We all know that these machines take getting used to. When I was growing up and friends would ride my 90, they all were afraid to turn at the fear of turning over. You need some weight to you and some size, more than a 6 year old typically has to ride something bigger than the 70, in my opinion mind you. You can find a good 70 for $300 or $400. The 70 is an excellent beginners machine for the little one. Just the right size, light enough not to kill you and a blast to ride.

TimSr
12-19-2003, 10:58 PM
Hmmm, So your telling me that My parents were irresponsible??? I was riding a 110 at 3 and a half years old...

Naw, your parents were obviously very responsible, and instilled values of responsibility to you that you now exercise, and that you will continue exercise throughout your lifetime, which, statistically, is not likely to be all that long. I just hope you dont have kids.

yamaha225dx
12-19-2003, 11:08 PM
WOW is all I can say. People in this world choose abortion (which I believe to be wrong) they choose to smoke pot and do all sorts of drugs, drink, smoke whatever, and I am considered such a bad person for not wearing a helmet..... NICE. I make my choices and you make yours. I grew up on a farm/ranch. My grandpa is 75 and has never worn a helmet and is always on a 4 wheeler, never wears his seatbelt. My dad 47 the same...... We drive all over the country and hardly any of the vehicles on the farm have under 100,000 miles on them, because they are always being driven. My uncle took one of our polaris's and jumped it, the a arm fell down and sent him flying, he just turned 50 this year, same with him never wears a helmet, or seatbelt. Ya'll believe the media and statistics too much.... Surpised that you ride a 3 wheeler.

atcmatt
12-20-2003, 05:09 AM
And another, if you cant start it, then your not ready for it, now i would LOVE to see a 8 yr old girl start a 350x

:rolleyes: lol, anyone can start my 200es (electric start) and its a fairly big trike!

:D

matt

jdparsons1
12-20-2003, 12:01 PM
I agree, I think the 70 would be a much better starter bike. Alot less weight there incase they do turn to fast and tip it.

What do you guys think. Hes almost 3. He really wants to drive the atc90 by himself instead of dad giving him a short ride. :-D

http://parsons.dynu.com/200x/dsc01234.jpg

mymint87
12-20-2003, 01:59 PM
Geez,

maybe we can all agree on something,

riding motorized vehicles is a sport not to be taken lightly, it's not a sport where a kid can stand out in right field, day dreaming while chewing on his/her mitt. it takes constant concentration. which i believe helps a young child in their confidence and developement.

have any of you ever signed a waiver when entering your child in a racing event or even at a riding park? Or do THEY sign it? by signing it arn't you putting them at risk?

theres no grey area here. its black or white.. no ODDS

i know ALOT of families that have had tragedies. but they still ride and race

who's limits should we follow...Tim Sr?/Mymint87?..manufacters recommend not riding double and set age limits..how many of us follow them?

as a parent, i have taught my children very well, as i am continually told by other adults.

i not only have taught them to ride, because of where we ride and camp, (So Cal Deserts) they have been taught extremely excellent defensive driving skills and are real leaders among their peers

they both started racing motorcycles around the age of 5/6
love 3 wheelers but dont like riding em much anymore :(
most of the time their riding quads

can we all agree that small three wheelers tend to be a little more "bucky lil ponies" than 110's?

can we all agree that closely monitoring them with gear on and in a flat area is a safe enviroment for learning? (as i said in my original post)

i think it is better (while not totally safe) to ride the beginner double putting the beginner in front and letting em get the feel of the throttle before the first solo attempt...ever tried that on a 70?...i have and let me just say 2 words...HANG ON...even when the throttle is limited a simple turn can throw ya. thats why i feel 110 are a better starting trike

can we all agree that we've all had a leg sucked up by a trike before?...hehe

can we all agree that wickedfinger is right in his post?....heheehe
sorry about that, god knows i try not to...why does this always happen to me?

TimSr
12-20-2003, 02:56 PM
mymint,
Id pretty much agree with everything you stated in that post, including that all offroading has risk which should not be taken lightly. We cannot eliminate them, only reduce them. Id also agree with the best beginner training being a full size ATV with an experienced adult sitting behind them, up until they are going to fly solo. Thanks for ending on a postitive note.

TimSr
12-20-2003, 02:58 PM
Yamaha225DX - Im sorry if my views offended you. I could been more diplomatic and worded it better, but I stand by my views.
My parents never heard of safety gear, and I discovered it AFTER each injury. The fact that they sent a 10 year old out on a dirt bike to play, without mandating any safety gear was irresponsible of them. It was based on their ignorance. They didnt know any better. They should have done a little research. They acknowledge all this now, as Ive discussed it with them. I too beat the odds, and was never killed, and only suffered a chunk out of an ankle, and a concussion, and mostly numerous very minor injuries from lack of proper gear. Luckily, my bike fit me, so that wasnt an issue.
I congratulate you on beating the odds and surviving as well, but I really take issue with your interpretion of these events. Your parents put a 3 year old, on a 110, and yes, that decision was irresponsible. Perhaps, like my parents they didnt know any better. Since you survived, you are promoting it as good idea for others? Your parents didnt think much of safety gear, and since you survived, you openly promote putting small children on oversized machines, with no safety gear? That is VERY irresponsible! With your riding experience, you SHOULD know better, now. You are now an adult and have the right to take whatever risks you wish with your own safety. I dont care if you wear any gear. that is your own business, but I am horrified at that you would suggest others take the same risks with their kids. .
The fact that you lived, does not make it safe. The majority of people who do as you, will also live. Some will not. What number do you find acceptable? Should we not give our kids the best odds possible that are practical, especially when simple things can significantly improve them? What harm is there in putting them on the appropriate sized machine? Would a 6 year old have less fun on a 60 or 70?
These are some simple questions.
1. Does an 110cc machine landing on a 50 lb child (A)Improve (B) Reduce (C) Not affect their odds for escaping injury or death over a 70cc sized machine?
2. Does a helmet (A)Improve (B) Reduce (C) Not affect their odds for escaping injury or death due to head trauma over not wearing a helmet?
3. Do knee high boots (A)Improve (B) Reduce (C) Not affect their odds for escaping serious injury of shins and ankles over riding in sandals or sneakers?
4. Does wearing jeans or riding pants (A)Improve (B) Reduce (C) Not affect their odds for escaping knee injury or loss of skin over riding in shorts?
And lets throw in a couple of essay questions.
5. Why did the CPSC ban the importaion of trikes?
6. Why is the CPSC currently looking into changing their ridiculous age/machine recommendations into law?
I agree helmets are overrated, in that they only protect the head, while people often think that putting on on makes them invincible, but it DOES protect the head. And todays modern full face dirt helmets reduce peripheral vision little or no more than a ball cap and ear muffs.
I apologise for suggesting your parents were irresponsible. I really couldnt know. Responsible people sometimes make irresponsible decisions, and this is an example of one of theirs. You are making an irresponsible decision to promote it and defend it, instead of condemning it and learning from it. The greatest tragedy is preventable one, we hear of way too many preventable tragedies on thsi board.
I am sorry if you take this personally. If you do not wish to do any further oil business, I can understand, but there is absolutely no way I will ever endorse your opinion that its a good idea to put 3 year olds (or 6 year olds) on on 110cc machines, and not bother with safety gear in order to sell oil, and if this view ever became mainstream, Id be the first guy pushing for ATV bans.

Tri-Z Pilot
12-20-2003, 10:05 PM
For all of you saying that wearing a seatbelt can kill you, or not wearing one can kill you, it's the same with helmets, the helmet can help save your life, but there is a chance that it could also kill you, it just all depends on the odds. All I am saying is I have gone on small rides, where my riding buddies would laugh at me for wearing a helmet, when 15 minutes later, someone on a 200x lost control on a fireroad, and met a tree head on pretty fast. Luckily the kid just suffered a concussion, and needed stitches, but needless to say I do not get picked on anymore for wearing my helmet., dont listen to what people say, only you can help prevent yourself/your family from injuries, do the right thing, and make sure you add all the protection you can, to ensure you and your families well being, and above all, to have a safe and fun time.

Wickedfinger
12-21-2003, 01:46 AM
Rather than lock this post, I've removed most of the personal attacks instead. It has far too many good points in it to kill off - but - everybody needs to remember NO PERSONAL ATTACKS.

olive123
12-21-2003, 10:09 AM
:shock:
man did I open a can of worms!!!

md1985250r
12-21-2003, 10:33 AM
.timsr..WELL SAID....
mymint87......i fear for your daughter
darius....WELL SAID
ssj3goku....your 12 year old brother cant handle a tri-z!
WHO WOULD LET THEIR KID RIDE WITHOUT A HELMET AND STAND THERE TAKING A PICTURE?? STUPID!! nevermind the fact that the machine is too big for the kid!!! what is wrong with people?no wonder our sport is dying!

jdparsons1
12-21-2003, 11:04 AM
WHO WOULD LET THEIR KID RIDE WITHOUT A HELMET AND STAND THERE TAKING A PICTURE?? STUPID!! nevermind the fact that the machine is too big for the kid!!! what is wrong with people?no wonder our sport is dying!

I really hope your not referring to the picture I posted. Any trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro can tell he's not really riding it. He got up on it for a picture and to make sound effects with his mouth! trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro, he can't even reach the foot pegs or shifter. :rolleyes:

md1985250r
12-21-2003, 11:25 AM
WHO WOULD LET THEIR KID RIDE WITHOUT A HELMET AND STAND THERE TAKING A PICTURE?? STUPID!! nevermind the fact that the machine is too big for the kid!!! what is wrong with people?no wonder our sport is dying!

I really hope your not referring to the picture I posted. Any trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro can tell he's not really riding it. He got up on it for a picture and to make sound effects with his mouth! trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro, he can't even reach the foot pegs or shifter. :rolleyes:

i really hope you are not calling me a trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro.........not you ...its kind of obvious that the trike aint moving...i am refering to the first young man i saw......mymint87's kid......

hondaATCman
12-21-2003, 07:52 PM
To get back on topic...Is a 110 too big for a 6 year old? In my opinion.. yes, in my opinion any 3-wheeler is too dangerous for a kid without any kind of motorized ATV experience. I would find a cheap single speed 80cc quad to let him start off on. That way he can get the basics of the throttle, steering/handling, braking and overall control of an ATV. If it was my kid I would make him/her stick to a quad until I can make a firm decesion to let them move on to a trike. I've even wrecked my 110 a few times, and I've been riding quads for years.

Final thoughts... You have alot of opinions stated in this thread, now its your turn to make a decision. We can't tell you what to do... it's all up to you being the parent.

mymint87
12-21-2003, 11:48 PM
hondaATCman i dissagree..

maybe someone else can weigh in on this...i think it is best to start em on motorcycles..then to trikes THEN maybe to quads...i know my daughters experience on trikes have helped their skills in riding tremendously

J.D.
12-22-2003, 12:06 AM
ssj3goku....your 12 year old brother cant handle a tri-z!

Who are YOU to tell ME that my 12 year old brother can't handle MY Tri-Z? Did YOU make sure he was wearing a helmet and properly dressed to ride? Did YOU give him rides on it, and teach him everything, were YOU there, behind him on the machine while he was operating it? Were YOU there supervising him while he was riding? I was. And I know that my brother can handle my Tri-Z. I think you need to re-evaluate your statement homeboy.

hondaATCman
12-22-2003, 12:38 AM
Mymint87 - Did ya notice how I said IN MY OPINION before i posted those things? ;)


i think it is best to start em on motorcycles..then to trikes THEN maybe to quads...

...I would too if I hated my kids that bad and needed some insurance money.

My order of achievement is the exact opposite of yours :shock: quads, trikes, then motorcycles.

Wickedfinger
12-22-2003, 06:21 PM
.... welp, this ones done .......... LOCKED!