83 200e wiring problem? no spark? whats this green wire out of motor?

[hawaiirider]

166976hi im trying to finish my supertrike - 200e motor in a 200x chasis but the harness the guy gave me does not match the schematic in my manual? its a 83 200e motor, has the normal 2 yellow one blck/red wires coming out but whats the green one from behind the sprocket? also the harness where i plug in has a light gren/red that doesnt match and a grey w a plug? man do i need help!!:rolleyes::wondering

[JustEnough]

According to the schematic, the green wire would have a red band on it and is from the Neutral Switch which prevents starting when it is not in neutral.

[hawaiirider]

do i have to connect it? whats the gray wire on my harness? the bike has no spark im frustrated as heck, have 2000$ in this bike and it doesnt even run yet....:(

[barnett468]

Hello

It must be connected the the KIGHT green/red wire on the starter button switch. If your switches are missing it must be grounded to run.

Check it with continuity meter from wire to engine with bike in neutral, it should have continuity. when it is in gear it should not.

What exactly is the wiring harness he gave you "supposed" tobe e or es, what year etc?

Was there a id tag on the package?

I'm trying to figure out the gray wire now for you.

See page 18-5 in the 82-83 200e oem manual below


Hope this info helps.

[barnett468]

"LIGHT green" not KIGHT green

Sorry I have no edit button

[barnett468]

Hello

What switches are currently on the bike, 200e electric start or 200x no electric start?

[barnett468]

Hello Hawaiirider


The OEM 200e Honda manual shows LIGHT green/red coming from the neutral safety switch as mentioned it attaches to the Light green/red wire on the starter button switch. The DARK green/red wire on the starter button goes to the Dark green/red wire on the starter motor, it comes out the other side of the starter as yellow which will have two female plugs on it on the other end . One plug is a single one that attaches to the male y/r wire on the ignition on/off switch, the other wire has a dual plug that attaches to the male y/r wire that goes to the lighting switch.


Can you follow the gray wire and say where it goes to on the other end?


None of the OEM manuals below show either a gray wire anywhere or a 3 plug plug on the alternator wires as shown in your photo, strange. Must be error in manual or there must be another wiring diagram.


Per OEM manuals

82-83 200e no gray harness wire, has 3 wire alternator with a dual plug y and y wires from alternator and a single plug black wire with a red ¼” long band near plug end.

83-85 200x no gray harness wire, has 2 wire alternator with a single plug y and a single plug bl/r wire.

87-87 200x no gray harness wire, has 4 wire alternator single plug bl/r from alternator, dual plug with single g/w from alternator and single bu/y from pulse generator and a dual plug with g and w/y wire from alternator.


82-83 200e manual pg 18-5

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/manuals/honda/82-83_200e_bigred.pdf


83-85 200x manual pg 16-8

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/manuals/honda/atc200x_83-85_servicemanual.pdf


86-87 200x manual 16-10

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/manuals/honda/86-87_ATC200X_Service_Manual.pdf


Hope this info helps.

[barnett468]

Hello Hawaiirider


Do NOT connect the g/r wire from neutral switch to the gray wire on harness like you have it until we know EXACTLY what specific parts you have.

Do you have a gray wire on your CDI box or neutral/reverse lights on the bars? You shouldn’t.

Am I correct in guessing you did not want or order a 200ES harness?

Gray wire shown on 84 200ES with 3 wire alternator same as 82-83 200E. No 3 gang plug like yours. Gray wire on harness goes to reverse switch, CDI, inhibitor switch [probably silver or gold and may look like an automotive flasher relay], and neutral/reverse indicator lite.


84 200ES OEM manual page 18-5

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/manuals/honda/1984_200es_bigred.pdf


Hope this info helps

[barnett468]

Hello


Correction

"Gray wire shown on 84 200ES with 3 wire alternator same as 82-83 200E."

Should read "A gray wire is shown in OEM 200ES manual and has same 3 wire alternator as 82-83 200E."

I have no edit button.

Hope this info helps.

[barnett468]

"No 3 gang plug like yours."

Has no 3 gang plug like yours.

[barnett468]

Hello


The only 3 gang plug shown on the OEM manuals I looked at is on a 85-87 250SX. It has a 3 gang with 3 yellow wires, a 3 gang with a single green wire from alternater, and a short bu/y male and g/w female, and a single bl/r with female plug.

Is your alternator a 3 gang plug, looks like it in photo?

There is no gray wire on harness.


85-87 OEM 200SX manual see pages 18-1 and 18-2.

http://www.oscarmayer.net/atc/manuals/honda/atc250sx_85-87_servicemanual.pdf


Hope this info helps

[barnett468]

Hello

What is the thing in the photo that looks like a small wire harness just below the plugs?

[hawaiirider]

first off thanks to all for your help!! its a 1983 motor out of a 200e chain drive. the harness appears to be for the 1984 shaft drive model that had reverse - thats just what the guy gave me i dont know why or if the 84 harness will even work? i have no switches, i was going to use mine off the original dirtbike/1984 honda xl 200r, thats the frame im using to keep it street legal, its a sweet bike ill have a thread up shortly on it.

[barnett468]

Hello Hawaiirider


Thanks for the reply.

Plase tell me what the thing is that looks like a wire harness inyour photo. I personally can not help you anymore unless I know if it is a disconnected or cut wire harness.

Are you 100% sure you do not have a 250 stator in it?

Is there any way you can run without most switches?

Is there anyway you can get another harness?

Can you scrape off the black slightly and see exactly what color the 3 wires are coming from the harness.

The book says thus is a 250 stator but you are missing another harness from stator, that's why I want to know what that wire loom looking thing is in your photo.

Someone here probably has a very simple fix for you but unfortunately it's not me.

Please answer questions in line order fashion if you decide to answer them. It is easier for me to follow that way.


Hope this helps.

[hawaiirider]

i checked my clymer manual and it appears i have the 1984 200e harness since it has a pink and gray wire.
will this work on my 1983 motor? if so what do i have to do to get spark? ground anything?

[Big G]

Geez barnett468...no less than 9 posts in a row - on the same thread! Any chance you could amalgamate all your thoughts into one post so as to save us readers from going cross-eyed!!! :crazy:

[hawaiirider]

lol, dont stop him though, hes helpin me out!!!

[barnett468]

Hello Hawaiirider


“Geez barnett468...no less than 9 posts in a row - on the same thread! Any chance you could amalgamate all your thoughts into one post so as to save us readers from going cross-eyed!”

Hey Big G, I actually had to look amalgamate up in the dictionary for the EXACT meaning, lol. As far you reading my posts here, that’s interesting to hear. I think that puts you in an elite group, lol. The reasons there are so many in this case is, 1. I have no edit button on my screen for the site. 2. I was going to GIVE UP but decided that I would not stop until I found a 3 gang alternator plug in the service manual so I added the additional info after I found it. As long as it helps Hawaiirider I don’t think it’s a big deal. Do YOU have any suggestions for him other than the obvious?

xxxxx

“lol, dont stop him though, hes helpin me out!!!”

I can no longer help you out because you still have NOT answered my question regarding the wire harness looking thing shown in your photo that I asked about twice now as well as the actual color of the 3 wires coming from the alternator. I will be glad to GUESS for you which may melt your electrical if you want me to do that. But like I said someone may be able to help you but up till now I think they’re all hesitant because they know the mess you have.