Can't Get Honda 110 Axel Out

[Gearheadtom]

I'm trying to get the axel out on a parts frame I got for my 110. I've got the axel nuts off, but I can't get the axel out. I've heated the brake drum as much as I can with a propane torch, and I've used a block of hardwood on the end of the axel and beat it with a sledge hammer and it still won't move.
I thought about trying to destroy the bearings then just cut the inner race off the axel when I get it out, but I can't get to the bearings from either side, and I can't pry the drum off because it's such thin steel I'd bend it to pieces.
Anybody have any other suggestions?

[wisconsinite]

patience and lots of penetrating oil. the axle's been rusting in there for 20 years, it will take a while to get out. keep soaking it for about a week, then try again. carefull not to mash the end of the axle up. you could try an air hammer, sometimes they work better than a regular hammer because all the vibration helps break loose the rust. you can sometimes use it directly on the races and hubs, just to rattle them good.

edit: also, if you have access to a press, it might save a ton of elbow grease if you can fit in in there. maybe a local machine\repair shop could press it out for a few $$.

good luck!

[Gearheadtom]

If I can manage to get the drum off, I'll be able to get some penetrating right onto the bearings. Right now I can't even get near the bearings because of the drum, and the sprocket on the other side, and the axel needs to come out to get the sprocket off. I've got a buddy coming over later to help, and I'll keep it well soaked with penetrating oil.

[wisconsinite]

i had the same trouble with the brake drum on my 250sx, a press got it off. that may be your best bet. when those splines rust up the rust tight.

[Gearheadtom]

I welded a nut on the drum that I threaded a slide hammer type dent puller into, and used that with lots of penetrating oil and as much heat as I could get from the propane torch, and the drum won't move. I tried to get the axel out a bit more with the sledge and still nothing.
A previous owner of the bike put a grease fitting in the bearing carrier, so I took that out and have been spraying in there too. I'm thinking the drum might be what's stuck on the most.
I know someone with a drum from a newer style 110/125 bike, not sure if it's the same as my '82 110. If it is, I may end up removing the drum in multiple pieces. I though about buying one of those mini torch kits for $75, but I'm not sure if they're any good.

[Jason125m]

Even though this is brutally obvious, but did you disconnect the brake cable and move the brake actuator so the pads aren't touching the drum. The brake drum should come off like nothing...

[Gearheadtom]

Even though this is brutally obvious, but did you disconnect the brake cable and move the brake actuator so the pads aren't touching the drum. The brake drum should come off like nothing...

The arm for the brakes isn't even on the splines anymore at the back. I've had trouble with that before, and normaly there would be a little bit of movement between the drum and axel, but on this bike there's no movement at all.

[Gearheadtom]

So I wasted $80 on one of those torch kits and used 3/4 of a tank of oxygen, and the drum still won't move. Hit it as hard as I possibly could with the sledge, and still nothing. I'm just about ready to cut the drum off, it doesn't look real good on the inside anyway. I don't know anybody with a press, and I'm not going to spend the money to have a machine shop press it apart. I can't see how the drum could possibly rust on that bad, but even if it is mostly stuck on the bearings, with the drum out of the way I can at least kinda get to the bearings from one side and then get some spray to them and at least get some heat to one side.

Edit: One more thing I heard about from a few people, heating up the drum and melting wax into it. I'll try that when I get a chance on Sunday.

[kb0nly]

I fought this on a 110 also... That drum was a PITA to get off, once i got that off the axle literally dropped out of the carrier.

[Gearheadtom]

I tried the wax method, but that still didn't get it off. I guess a buddy of mine has torches, so I'm going to get him to help me. I figure that drum has to come off if it's it's glowing orange...

[Gearheadtom]

The oxy torch did the trick, got the drum off in one piece, and then the axel slid out no problem. I'm deffinatly using anti-seize when I put it back together.

[wisconsinite]

glad to hear you got it apart. they can be a bugger.