86 250R - Privateer - Updated 2/2014

[NWrider]

So, posting this for a couple of reasons.

A. Cool old trike with some race history - Privateer. Worst case enjoy the photos of a cool old trike that rolled with the big boys back in the day.
B. Likely to be for sale soon.

It's not mine - yet - but I have first right of refusal on it. Even though it could be mine, there is a strong liklihood that I will either buy it and resell it or simply pass the opportunity onto another member that wants it more than I do. Not that I don't want it - I do - It's just that I'm not really a Honda guy (Team Green) and I have enough on my plate and another trike is probably not wise.

What I'm looking for from you guy's is -

Interest. Anyone gotta have this trike?
Comments. See anything super cool, super rare, unique?
Value. What's a guy think this is worth - as is. It is not running and the owner thinks its a spark issue. With all the rare old parts on it there is no doubt that it has some real value.

Anyway, here's what I know.
The trike was given to this guy by an old and ill x-racer. He's not really a trike guy and would rather have the money than try and fix it or kill himself riding it.
Along with the trike - in a "package deal" - would also be some other items. Word is the original plastics, original wheels/tires, 2 extended axles (still in the bags) and mounds of documentation - receipts, mods, race data, tire perfromance data on various tracks and in various conditions, etc. Supposedly the x-owner was super detailed on what he was doing and kept all his research data. All would be included. Not sure about title, but assume no. In my initial converation with the guy he was thinking about trying to get $4k for all of it. Of course "all of it" isn't yet total defined. Do you think he's in the ballpark at that price? My thought was that was too high, but what do I know? Maybe you guy's can help define the value?

So, Let me know your thoughts. Worst case I wanted to share the photos I have. I have seen the trike in person, so it's real.
Hit me with a PM if you want to chat about it. I really don't know much more, but I do have contact info on the guy to facilitate any conversations or ask any questions.

Thanks for looking - we'll see how this all plays out.
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[Bryan Raffa]

its a honda no one wants that... ill sell my FRESH race bike with my black book for 4K any day!

[just ben]

cool pics But I think his expectations are a bit high

[wisconsinite]

i agree, it's a cool trike and would be neat to own, but a little spendy.

[oldskool83]

i say 2500 if it runs. its a total redo...thats for the entire packege if the other stuff mint in plastic. its cool but not 4K cool.

[kiser]

You should Raffa! Its a Yamaha LOL!!! Looks like a cool 250R! Im not a R expert but it looks like it has a 86 motor and seat. It has a short track tank. Probably was a flat track bike from the tires and tank and I dig that!! 4k I think is a lil steep but it may be worth it to somebody. I wish I had the extra funds because I would make a offer on it for sure. Cool pics and thanks for sharing!

[ceaserthethird]

Buy it and restore =)

[dcreel]

Whats' a short track tank going for these days with all of the parts?? The seat looks to be in good shape, the rear low pro fenders, That front Hoosier if it isn't weather checked and holds air is worth quite a bit, so are the rear H-Track tires.. If the cases are good, the motor is worth quite a bit.. Even if it isn't running and was ported by Paul Turner..

I think $1000 is a bit low...

[xrider]

I 100% agree. Low Pro Fenders, Short track Kit, H-Traks, Bills Pipe?, and of course the Hoosier Tri-Trac Front tire. That's $2500 worth of parts alone.


Whats' a short track tank going for these days with all of the parts?? The seat looks to be in good shape, the rear low pro fenders, That front Hoosier if it isn't weather checked and holds air is worth quite a bit, so are the rear H-Track tires.. If the cases are good, the motor is worth quite a bit.. Even if it isn't running and was ported by Paul Turner..

I think $1000 is a bit low...

[pistolpete88]

if it was all restored and running 4k wouldt be the most it was worth id offer $1800 the way she sits today only cause of the short track tank otherwise its a 1000-1200 bike pm me if you wanna make a deal

[bkm]

This is a sad case of the bike being worth more in peices than as a whole. Its unfortunate because it should make no difference, but that is the current climate of these bikes.

[NWrider]

Thanks for the input thus far - about what I expected to hear.
I do know a thing or 2 about old parts and value...
The pipe is a Paul Turner pipe, not a Bill's. Hard to tell with all the rust on her.
Don't forget that included are some original parts and a couple of axels. How hard is it to find a Durablue extended axel for an 85R? Supposedly he has 2 - gotta be a hundred a piece for those, eh?
Thanks again.
It's just cool to find an oldy, but goody that's been sittin around for a while. Obviously a total flat tracker.

[Tri-Z 250]

BKM Your right-on broken down and sold to guys looking for just a peice will bring the coin.

To bring the Pro-race machine collector it needs to have a few things besides great time period correct mods and trick parts...for top$
1. Who rode it? A true sponcered PRO or some guy who rode the proclass as a Privateer?
2. Finishes? Was it a winner and proof of it on the track pics in such.
3. History...more the better, build specs...brochures are even helpful.

It's still a really nice 3wheeler just on it's own....but people often become attached to items and give objects a love value. $1000 too low but $4000 is outta sight. If I was the seller, I'd want it to be restored and ridden, or restored and shelved...I'd rather sell it for a $1 to someone I know who will enjoy and take care of it proper. To think of this as highly as a peice or race History it needs to be sold to the right buyer...If it's just a Period correct racer that raced back in the day, then it just that. It's still going to have each buyer $3000 in the hole just getting it to race ready condition. There was a sweet X at the NatyBula this year...The difference in yours to his...He was a sponcered Pro, tons of pics, the write-ups in Mags bike was track ready and spotless. The machine was a contender and 1 of 3 built for a TEAM that did the entire season. He turned down an offer of $5000...I handed off the collectors # and said when your ready to sell it this guy will simply store it for years to come....Which is what the owner wanted, he didn't want it parted or beat to death and parted later. His love hasn't ended for his machine and I believe your friend as well.

[keister]

Don't forget that included are some original parts and a couple of axels. How hard is it to find a Durablue extended axel for an 85R?

I bought a brand new Durablue extended axle for my 85R a couple years ago. I think it was around $300.

Also, I borrowed a set of H-Trac tires like those for the TT race in July. Everyone was trying to buy them from me. They are impossible to find. If those are in good shape you will have people lining up at your door to buy them.

[FastZ28]

I would just like to point out that the bike looks like an 86R to me. It has the 86 motor color, looks like an 86 rear swingarm and brake setup.
So that would make the axle topic a moot point since 86-87 axles are readily available. Even the seat is the 86 style.

I would stick a 1500-2000 price on on it as it sits, even with all the extras. They are worth nothing until there is pictures of them.
I would personally buy it, fix it up and use it for FT/TT races but I would give no more than 2000.

[NWrider]

t's back!
I had a chance to meet up with this fellow, get a better look and snap a few more photos.
I would welcome some more input, part identification, pricing ideas, etc.
The deal is still pending - I'm basically working with this kid to determine a best deal for us both. As I explained previously, I'm no R expert so only have a high level understanding of what is what, what things might be worth, etc.
So, here is a bit more about what I know -
Original owner mainly raced here in the NW, but did a bit of traveling too. There is a box of nearly 60 trophies from races - all seem to be from the Master Division. They range from 85' - 88' or 89'. I didn't look at them all - some are Coyote Series?, a Loretta Lynn race, etc. Pretty cool, but in the end just a bunch of trophies from the 80's - nothing super special. The kid and his dad plan on re-using the trophies for another endeavor they are involved in. They said they'd strip all the 3-wheeler guys off the tops and give them to me. I figure that might be cool anyway.
The axles - I have no idea what's what, what year they are (85 or 86) or what they are worth. A little help here would be cool.
Headlight shroud/set up has a couple of toggle switches on the top - high/low I think. Was that stock? Is it worth anything to anyone? It's in good shape, all the rubber straps are there and in perfect condition.
Handlebars - no idea
Trophies - they are just a few of the BIG ones.
Pipe - its a Paul Turner. looks like a sectional pipe. The one on the bike is also a PT - doesn't look to be sectional. Worth anything?
Box of carbs - (4) of them I believe all Khein's. All look to be new. They are clean anyway.
Hubs - obviously DuraBlue. (1) extra - he never found it's mate - so not sure that's worth anything?
Blue Shrouds - no idea. Seem to be just like the Short Track shrouds that are on the bike. Holes lined up. A bit smaller dimensionally though and no mfct. markings.
Stock tires - in good shape. Rims are beat, but tires are good. I think those are key to someone doing a resto?
Fenders - sweet stockers. Look like they were never ridden. Primo! I know those are worth $500ish, ya?
Ram steering stabilizer - cool piece. it works. Worth anything?
Bunch of front and rear sprockets - all different sizes. No markings.
I don't know about that misc. front fender - I think it's off an old 70. Worth anything to anyone?
Air filters - yep, that's what they are.
I think that's about it. Obvious things on the bike were already discussed - ST kit, tires, PT motor mods and exhaust, seat is good condition, fiberglass fenders are cool and in great condition - 1 tiny 1" crack in the rear center - other than that they are tight.
Anyway - let me know what you think - provide any more details on parts and values, etc. I'm trying to work out a fair deal for this kid, but at that same time a fair deal for me - since I'm either going to have to work to sell some of the stuff, restore the bike, etc. You understand I'm sure. I know he'd like to sell it all in one pop, but he's still lingering around the $4k price.
Thanks again for your input - enjoy the picks if you've got no input. One those cool finds - just trying to either make it mine or maybe turn one of you guys onto it.
It's going to come down to values and price basically.
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[NWrider]

t's back!
I had a chance to meet up with this fellow, get a better look and snap a few more photos.
I would welcome some more input, part identification, pricing ideas, etc.
The deal is still pending - I'm basically working with this kid to determine a best deal for us both. As I explained previously, I'm no R expert so only have a high level understanding of what is what, what things might be worth, etc.
So, here is a bit more about what I know -
Original owner mainly raced here in the NW, but did a bit of traveling too. There is a box of nearly 60 trophies from races - all seem to be from the Master Division. They range from 85' - 88' or 89'. I didn't look at them all - some are Coyote Series?, a Loretta Lynn race, etc. Pretty cool, but in the end just a bunch of trophies from the 80's - nothing super special. The kid and his dad plan on re-using the trophies for another endeavor they are involved in. They said they'd strip all the 3-wheeler guys off the tops and give them to me. I figure that might be cool anyway.
The axles - I have no idea what's what, what year they are (85 or 86) or what they are worth. A little help here would be cool.
Headlight shroud/set up has a couple of toggle switches on the top - high/low I think. Was that stock? Is it worth anything to anyone? It's in good shape, all the rubber straps are there and in perfect condition.
Handlebars - no idea
Trophies - they are just a few of the BIG ones.
Pipe - its a Paul Turner. looks like a sectional pipe. The one on the bike is also a PT - doesn't look to be sectional. Worth anything?
Box of carbs - (4) of them I believe all Khein's. All look to be new. They are clean anyway.
Hubs - obviously DuraBlue. (1) extra - he never found it's mate - so not sure that's worth anything?
Blue Shrouds - no idea. Seem to be just like the Short Track shrouds that are on the bike. Holes lined up. A bit smaller dimensionally though and no mfct. markings.
Stock tires - in good shape. Rims are beat, but tires are good. I think those are key to someone doing a resto?
Fenders - sweet stockers. Look like they were never ridden. Primo! I know those are worth $500ish, ya?
Ram steering stabilizer - cool piece. it works. Worth anything?
Bunch of front and rear sprockets - all different sizes. No markings.
I don't know about that misc. front fender - I think it's off an old 70. Worth anything to anyone?
Air filters - yep, that's what they are.
I think that's about it. Obvious things on the bike were already discussed - ST kit, tires, PT motor mods and exhaust, seat is good condition, fiberglass fenders are cool and in great condition - 1 tiny 1" crack in the rear center - other than that they are tight.
Anyway - let me know what you think - provide any more details on parts and values, etc. I'm trying to work out a fair deal for this kid, but at that same time a fair deal for me - since I'm either going to have to work to sell some of the stuff, restore the bike, etc. You understand I'm sure. I know he'd like to sell it all in one pop, but he's still lingering around the $4k price.
Thanks again for your input - enjoy the picks if you've got no input. One those cool finds - just trying to either make it mine or maybe turn one of you guys onto it.
It's going to come down to values and price basically.
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[NWrider]

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[250rmanfmf]

That thing is badass! That would go great with my two trx250r's (ones a cr500:) ) old school dirt track racers. I wonder if that bike was with the ones I have as the story I got from the guy I bought my bikes from was there was a ATC 250r that was with them but one of his buddies ended up with it.

If you dont buy it I may say screw buying a snowmobile and buy that, hehe

I think if you could get him down to 3500 it would be worth it. Whats a old racer restored period correct go for when OEM mint ones are going for 4k plus?

[bkm]

There is probably close to $1000 or more in just oem fenders and wheels/tires and I can't really tell, but that front tri-trac tire looks like it is in good shape. I'd really like to know what rear fenders those are as well? At the price he is asking or close to it if your looking to flip it an make some $ your probably maxed out. The lowballers will dismiss it as too high unless they were selling the parts and then they will act as if its the last ones left on earth.

This bike is cool as hell as far as I'm concerned and with decent riders now going for $2500 around me, if you could get it for less than the 4k he is asking I'd jump all over it. These parts aren't getting more plentiful or cheaper.

[barnett468]

Hello


I think Triz 250 summed it up well along with the others..


I was project engineer on the t3 project for Kawi, the t3 I raced was owned by Kawi and was a racing test bed, that’s the excuse I gave anyway so I guess you could call it the only factory direct sponsored bike if you want. Of course Jimmie’s, Donnie’s and Chris’s bikes were all factory paid for and maintained they were done through Team Green racing. Whenever I raced it was sort of under the Team Green banner. Even though I only raced once officially for them it was like I was an honorary member so they could list my results under the Team Green banner so to speak.


Long story short, if I had my bike today with all the documentation etc I doubt I could get a single penny more for it simply because my name is not Jimmie White or Dean Sundahl etc. so unless you have a bike from a nationally known top level rider I seriously doubt that you will get a single penny xtra for it because of it’s previous “race” history.

My suggestion is same as others, buy it with the idea of doubling your money because in the end you won’t so this will give you a built margin in. The cylimder is probably worth very little especially if it needs a rebore, the stamped ex pipes are worth little because most people want the true hand made Klemm or similar type pipes and so on.


Try not to fall in love with the “dream”


I think you should pay $1800 at most, probably less.


Hope this info helps

[Xowner]

Check those axles the nice gold one has something fishie with the locknuts they dont look like R the axle with the red hubs look like 400ex

[bkm]

I also spy a set of Westcoast Extended Hubs that are on the bike. I know the last set I saw on ebay went north or $400.

Start adding up the parts this thing has and the price reflects it and if people disagree they are delusional or jealous.

The ST tank looks to be complete and in good shape 1000-1500 depending on if you get it polished up
Front Tri-Trac looks to have little if any dry-rot $300-500
Rear H-Trac's 200-400
Rear oem fenders 500-800 (these are original 86's in great shape with the correct warning label and decals)
Westcoast Hubs 400
Oem Tries and wheels if not cracked 400-600
Oem grab Bars ? if not bent or cracked 100-150

On the low side of my estimates your over 3k in parts and I didn't even mention the engine, low-pro's, and all the axles, plus the other parts that come with it and are on it.

BTW its an 86

[pipeline triker]

For all the people saying that this trike is worth under $3000 you are insane. I have been buying parts for my 85 R and have got prices and bought some parts from members on here and other trike boards and trust me they are not selling there parts for the low prices they say this one is worth. I see a big differance in how people value something when they have no interest in buying something and when someone has money in hand, this goes both ways high and low. If this was closer to me I would own it. In a few years that 250R in race trim will bring over $10,000 easy. Just look at the vintage race sled market or MX bike market or even older road race bikes. A few years ago Sno jet Thunder Jets, Arctic Cat EXT's and King cats along with other old race sleds could be bought for under $1000. Find one now. Some of these sleds are bringing $40,000. Beat Thunder Jets are selling for $4000-5000.
Is this trike worth the $4000 right now, post the owner's phone # and see how long he has it after that. I would guess it would be sold within an hour. I had a rare 1 off hand made , experimental, John Deere snowmobile had tons of interest from people most were telling me I wanted way to much $$ for it. Until a guy that wanted it bought it. Some of the people that were tring to buy it, for less, from me now realized that they will never own another like it and some how found out who bought it and were offering him more than I was asking. I would imagine this would be the same way. If you are looking to flip it and make a quick buck with it, you might not.

[shovelryder]

I would think $2500 is very good......and $4000 wouldnt be out of range.....thats got some cool stuff....

[Rigaman]

Where are you gonna find another? Not many out there.

The time to buy is when you see it. Try to get it for less.. Cant hurt to try. Some of those parts would start a huge bidding war on ebay. They just dont show up too often. At all.

I would buy that oem rear fender off you. I would buy the seat too. And just about the rest of it. Very cool find.

[yaegerb]

Personally I don't think 4K is unreasonable.

I would offer him a starting price of 3500 and go from there. I am sure you two could come to an understanding within 500 bucks. There is some really rare parts on that bike / on the floor from what I can see. I can tell you that if you buy it there are about 3 things I spy that I would buy off of you. Those OEM rear grab bars up there are going for mint these days, not to mention the steering stabilizer :drool: and the oats that are currently on the bike. That front tire is sick and I would gladly take that off your hands :) I am going with the consensus here to say that you have probably between 1000-1200 just in parts that you could sell to bring that bike to its former glory.

[Xowner]

Personally I don't think 4K is unreasonable.

I would offer him a starting price of 3500 and go from there. I am sure you two could come to an understanding within 500 bucks. There is some really rare parts on that bike / on the floor from what I can see. I can tell you that if you buy it there are about 3 things I spy that I would buy off of you. Those OEM rear grab bars up there are going for mint these days, not to mention the steering stabilizer :drool: and the oats that are currently on the bike. That front tire is sick and I would gladly take that off your hands :) I am going with the consensus here to say that you have probably between 1000-1200 just in parts that you could sell to bring that bike to its former glory.

Not to clutter this guys thread but those steering stabilizers who really wants them. PM if so.

Back to this guys post. BKM is about spot on with the pricing and such of parts. Whole its worth less. In parts its worth alot more. Other then a few big names not many people are gonna shell out that kinda cash for a bike that needs a total resto unless they want it. If your looking to make the most money on this. Its got to go in pieces and Anyone with a a 250r that is complete with a Short track kit on it in this condition For 1500 I will buy it right now cash money. I will buy them all every single one. Pm me and ill be on the way with cash money.

[yaegerb]

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[pipeline triker]

As for shipping this I would think you should be able to ship this any where in the lower 48 for under $600. I have shipped a few bikes and it is alot cheaper than most people think. If you can work with the shippers route and time frame and not have to have it the next day, you can get a great price. I shipped a bike from my yard in northren Wisconsin to the new owners garage in KY for $305.00. That was insured and in an inclosed trailer, by a hauler that hauls bikes coast to coast for a living. He said he would haul trikes for about the same $$. The bike I sold also had a bunch of parts with it. I had them all boxed and ready to go, he put them in the back of his truck under the cap for no extra cost.

[NWrider]

Hey guy's,
Thanks for all the input and comments so far. As you know, I do know enough to know it's a cool find with some really cool/desirable parts on it. So I appreciate you giving me your approx. valuation on some of the parts - that's helpful and near what I have calculated in my mind.
I'm almost equally torn on what to do with it if I buy it - do I keep it or part it out? I understand the value is in the parts and not the complete bike, but in the same mouthful, it's so cool as is that I really hate to part it out. I don't know -at the end of the day I feel repsonsible for at least getting it my hands and then contempating for a bit on what to do. If I don't buy it he's going to end up selling it to some toolbag that has no idea what it is and everything is gone for good/destroyed.
Couple of items that weren't addressed -
Any idea on the blue short track shrouds?
Could any of the axles be off of a quad? I beleive there was mention of the guy owning a quad at one point.
Is the durablue axle (nice new looking one) for an 86R? What is it and the durablue hubs worth?
How about the headlight shroud - any value. Like I stated - it has some sort of dual toggles on the top for high/low. Is that normal or slightly moded?
What about the engine and pipes - assuming a part out what would the total package of the motor and 2 pipes be worth?
Much appreciated. Gonna make a decision here in the next few days. I'll keep you posted.

[250rmanfmf]

This thing hasnt been advertised for sale around here in washington. If it was it would sell. The high price is going to keep it from people who will want to make a buck on it and part it out or flip it. This thing should go to a collector or someone that will restore it. Paper work that shows what the bike was raced in will help the value even if its not a big name guy but not a huge amount. By the time you restored it, it would probably be cheaper than buying a stock R and restoring it and buying the parts it has on it.

[250rmanfmf]

86r atc axles are the same as 86-87 trx250r axles

[Xowner]

Couple of items that weren't addressed -
Any idea on the blue short track shrouds?
Could any of the axles be off of a quad? I beleive there was mention of the guy owning a quad at one point.
Is the durablue axle (nice new looking one) for an 86R? What is it and the durablue hubs worth?
How about the headlight shroud

Blue shrouds if there plastic and not fiberglass prolly a older plastic company prolly couple hundred maybe Those are a wild card
The durablue axle looks like a newer one. Price them they are still being made
The headlight is another wild card. You mentioned that it had toggle switches installed in the top of it is that true? If they arent the light would bring 1-200 on eBay i believe

[TheBlueWale]

In picture #3 of post #16 you can see the switches, they are the metal knob style ones, blue shrouds are probably UFO ones, they are the only company that I know to have used that blue mate color and not inscribe anything on their parts.


Couple of items that weren't addressed -
Any idea on the blue short track shrouds?
Could any of the axles be off of a quad? I beleive there was mention of the guy owning a quad at one point.
Is the durablue axle (nice new looking one) for an 86R? What is it and the durablue hubs worth?
How about the headlight shroud

Blue shrouds if there plastic and not fiberglass prolly a older plastic company prolly couple hundred maybe Those are a wild card
The durablue axle looks like a newer one. Price them they are still being made
The headlight is another wild card. You mentioned that it had toggle switches installed in the top of it is that true? If they arent the light would bring 1-200 on eBay i believe

[atc007]

My wild guess on blue shrouds,,,that I don't see here? Would be Phase Fives.. Are they Honda shape or a different shape?

[Xowner]

My wild guess on blue shrouds,,,that I don't see here? Would be Phase Fives.. Are they Honda shape or a different shape?


http://www.3wheelerworld.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=165436&d=1363651253 See if that works

[Super350]

Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....if you have the money to spend BUY IT! Then figure out what to do...when will you ever have this chance again and save it from the toolbag!

[aldochina]

awsome find! Not positive but the oem gold axle may be for an 84 ?? they had the double large locknut setup right? I bet someone would pay big bucks for those race fenders. especially if they are uncracked. they are bad!

[NWrider]

So, with some good fortune, a good idea and a willing owner this 250R and parts became mine over the weekend. Couldn't be more excited! Worked out a win/win trade with the previous owner. Turns out he wanted a 200x 4 stroke more than he wanted the 2 stroke 250r - and I had just happened to have one that I was willing to part with (search 200x racer to see photos of the trade machine). It wasn't just any 200x though - it was a very nice Curtis Sparks motor, Westcoast swinger, DB axle, WB Shock, etc. 200x. So a race replica if you will. He actually may have got the better deal since the X runs and the R doesn't. However the R has ridiculous potential...
Both me and the old R owner we're obviously happy with the deal so it was made - bike for bike and few bucks cash.
Now I have another project that I wasn't anticipating - and a Honda, what! I was really just looking to sell stuff off (the 200x) to finish my tecate project, now I'm back in with a complete R to renovate. Oh well, I guess it's a good problem to have...
I may have a few R parts that I can sell to help fund this deal and the upcoming renovation - Pm me with any thoughts after viewing the photos at the beginning of the thread. It'll be restored to race condition and not OEM, so those extra parts are able to be dealt.
Anyway, thought you all might be interested to know that this R will at some point be sitting next to the sickest 86 tecate yet built - to be unveiled real soon...
Thanks for looking

[Super350]

pm sent ........

[jsmay]

Bad ass man! Congrats... You got any photos of the 200x you swapped? I'm a sucker for them bikes....

[NWrider]

Do a search for 200x Racer - should pop up the thread with photos. It was a sweet little trike, so all in all the trade was very fair for both parties. A win/win in my opinion - we both got what we wanted. Tho the 200x was truly sweet, it just wasn't enough to pull my 225 lbs. around with any authority - so the X for the R was logical.

[jsmay]

Great man!