1985 KX 500 Case interchange

[TecateDan]

So I got some parts, borrowed some parts from Fabio and well...... lets just say I'm not letting the cat out of the bag yet!!!!

I need to know what year KX500 cases will swap with what years. I have an 85 KX500 motor but want to find some new cases. Any one know what years are interchangable with regards to the cases??

OH and how can you tell what year the motor is with out the Vin. fabio said he thinks it's an 85 but the vin has been sandblasted off the cast so ???

Thanks guys

[86T3]

Try KXriders.com. its a great site and is geared towards 500s. I don't know for sure but i think you're looking for a very small ammount of years that interchange.

[just ben]

lets just say I'm not letting the cat out of the bag yet
It's kind of obvious what your up to. as far as the cases I would start with what you htink you have (85) and compare that to the parts fiche. then compare the part#'s with the next couple of years. Don't use bike bandit for the fiche, they only list their own part#'s. try kawasaki partshouse, I use that site alot when comparing parts

[nd4speed]

The 1985 was from my understanding a one off year model that had liquid cooling BUT no power valves. Should not say "KIPS" on it anywhere.

Served as a base for bottom end geometry but I do not believe any cases or top ends swap onto 1985 KX500 motor. 1986-2004 are all very similar.

[dcreel]

www.kawasaki.com is an awesome site for checking parts availability, as well as the bikes that used each part number..

According to the site only the 84 and 85 KX500 used the same cases.

The 85 KX500 cylinder was a 1 year model

The site also only lists the cases as a l and rh set, not each.

[fabiodriven]

I told you it's an 86 Bozo.

[TecateDan]

thank Christ its an 86 ... I couldn't find trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro for 85 parts ... and u told me to check the vin to make sure but there ain't one...lol

[TecateDan]

Thanks for all the suggestions and I'll def check out those other sites and run through the parts diagrams. Will need to print for reassembly anayways. Here are a couple of pics. Oh and for the record this is not how i store my parts, All full of dirts and looking like a mess. It will be all squeaky clean soon and once I get some progress on the build I'll start a thread. You right Ben it's not to hard ot figure out what I'm doing but It's going to be a first gen not a second gen.... FYI Or maybe I should build a 500 missle like your 300? lol

http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/danielvpope/Tecate%20500/IMAG0607.jpg
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/danielvpope/Tecate%20500/IMAG0606.jpg
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/danielvpope/Tecate%20500/IMAG0605.jpg
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/danielvpope/Tecate%20500/IMAG0604.jpg
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/danielvpope/Tecate%20500/IMAG0603.jpg
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/danielvpope/Tecate%20500/IMAG0602.jpg
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/danielvpope/Tecate%20500/IMAG0601.jpg

[just ben]

to be honest I figured you adopted fabios whole project.If you need to modify the frame on the down tube I have a donor from an 86 t3 (or will as soon as I go get it) 84 t3 has a frame the was modded with a kx 500 section,I'm sure he would put some pics up to give you Ideas.I may still have some pics of that frame but I'm not sure I took any detailed pics of that area. good luck with the build I can't wait to see some pics when you get the project unerway.

[TecateDan]

Yea, it is Fabio's old project but he was going to do an 86 or 87 tecate. He has the frame with the split down tube and I have an 84 frame that we will mesh together. I just like the first gen and it's more tricky to do. I'll PM 84t3 and I'll get a build thread up once it's underway. If you got any pics send them my way.

[dcreel]

Video of it:


http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/Stevejasper_2000/?action=view&current=tecatefest2008074.mp4

http://www.atvriders.com/images/kawasaki/2009-tecate-fest-kxf-250-atv/2009-kawasaki-tecate-fest-3-wheeler-kx500-engine.jpg

[fabiodriven]

I'm not a fan of the second gens either.

[fabiodriven]

I'll just give everyone the lowdown if anyone gives a shite.

So I started the 500 project probably 5 years ago or so. Back then I was full of piss and vinegar and I would start projects and actually see them to completion. I had a nice shed to work in with all my tools hanging on the wall and parts in labeled bins, etc... I spent a lot of time and money getting this 500 going and had it together and apart a number of times trying to get things dialed in. The first time I actually ran the motor, I found out really quick that the PO had busted the case, JB welded it, painted it, then passed it off to me as a good motor. So I ripped it apart again to change the case. At that point I had a big change in my life and I moved into a new (to me) house. I had to take all of my trikes, parts, tools, everything, and just throw it into my new garage in a pile. That garage got ripped down and I had a new one put up, into which I threw the pile of stuff again. I've not really had the initiative that I used to have and many projects have fallen down on the priority list, the 500 being one of them.

Dan and I have grown up together and built or repaired many, many things. We've always worked as a team on mechanical things and when teamed up there is nothing that we cannot fix or build. Dan is the kick in the arse that this project needed. I'd like to have it done for TF '13 and I think we've got more than enough time to do this.

Things change so we'll see what we come up with, but at this point we're shooting for an 84 model Tecate with the front drum brake, 4x4 wheels, and gold wheels/swinger. We'd like to do it so it doesn't look too far off from the original Tecate, at least from a distance.

[TecateDan]

do u know what the deal with that pipe is? that thing is sweet man
Video of it:


http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/Stevejasper_2000/?action=view&current=tecatefest2008074.mp4

http://www.atvriders.com/images/kawasaki/2009-tecate-fest-kxf-250-atv/2009-kawasaki-tecate-fest-3-wheeler-kx500-engine.jpg

[just ben]

ok. Dan,Fabio please do not cut up that 86 frame to do this build! I offered a donor section because the frame is hammered but the cradle is fine.I was'nt lookingto get anything for it.I would rather see you use the section I have than see a frame chopped. If you don't have any use for the frame I will take it and put it to use.

[TecateDan]

I'll Pm You Ben and we can talk off line

[nd4speed]

Why couldn't one use a 1986 or later KX250/500 frame for the split down tube donor part?

I throw 1986 KX250 frames into the scrap yard.

[fabiodriven]

True dat homie. That's some good thinking.

We'll not be cutting the Tecate frame up after Ben's advise.

[TecateDan]

well mail one to East bridgewater ma Care of John Fahey then

[JasonB]

that picture of the 1st gen tecate was my desktop background at work for a month just FYI freaking SEX. Didnt know it was a 500 either! the videos look great of it. Im in for this project with updates, keep us posted! I LOVE 500 PROJECTS!

[TecateDan]

were u at Trike fest jayson

[just ben]

were u at Trike fest jayson He was at the pavillion right below us. the frame I am getting is junk an will be chopped anyway. The engine cradle is yours. thank you guys for rethinking chopping up a good frame.

[TecateDan]

Thanks Ben. I think I lent someone in his group a CDI for one of there tecate's. I just noticed his avatar and remembered the car

[86T3]

Dan, thanks for motivating ben to come get this frame out of my driveway. My wife thanks you also

[just ben]

Dan, thanks for motivating ben to come get this frame out of my driveway. My wife thanks you alsohey you said you would move it out of the way with the skidsteer! lol

[TecateDan]

Well I'm glad that he has it but now how in the hell does it get to MA??

[86T3]

I could have but i figured it was easier to leave it where it was. haha!

I'd imagine that it probably wont cost too much to ship it up

[just ben]

Well I'm glad that he has it but now how in the hell does it get to MA??brown santa.duh

[TecateDan]

Where is my frame? I'm ready for mock up and welding!!!! THe sawzall is comming out any day now to that nice shinny 86 Frame

http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/danielvpope/Tecate%20500/DSC01418.jpg

[just ben]

I just picked it up sunday. give me a minute. geesh!

[TecateDan]

How do you type out the sound a sawzall makes >>>

Sorry Ben I couldn't wait and I can't afford to pay for shipping now that you trashed my cylinder I was trying to sell so this is what I did tonight instead


http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb468/danielvpope/Tecate%20500/DSC01431.jpg

[TecateDan]

Oh yea and I answerd my own question

went to Kawasaki's site and pulled all the part numbers and here they are for the cases! So it looks like only 86 cases work for 86. Whats wierd is people always say the 85 is the odd ball?? Anybody got a nice set of 86 cases tehy want to sell??

83 14001-5127
84-85 14001-5158
86 14001-5207
87 14001- 5295
88 14001-5245

[just ben]

I wasn't trashing your cylinder. I was going by your shitty pics! cut away. obviously the first gen. frame needs to be cut.

[TecateDan]

THe first gen gets cut then the second gen!!!!! do you at least have any pics of the frame you could send that may tie me over for a while


I wasn't trashing your cylinder. I was going by your shitty pics! cut away. obviously the first gen. frame needs to be cut.

[TecateDan]

According to my clymer manual: 83-87 are the same. 88 on up are changed from earlier?? Now I is confused but that happens all the time


Oh yea and I answerd my own question

went to Kawasaki's site and pulled all the part numbers and here they are for the cases! So it looks like only 86 cases work for 86. Whats wierd is people always say the 85 is the odd ball?? Anybody got a nice set of 86 cases tehy want to sell??

83 14001-5127
84-85 14001-5158
86 14001-5207
87 14001- 5295
88 14001-5245

[just ben]

THe first gen gets cut then the second gen!!!!! do you at least have any pics of the frame you could send that may tie me over for a whileheres a pic. Don't mind the quad front end lol 152299

[TecateDan]

Wtf is that ? that's gonna take a whole lot of work to cut that quad trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro off

[nstyle73]

I have a whole 86 engine, with compression release in the head rather than the cylinder. It needs plated, but its complete and in good shape, but I would rather keep it together than sell just the cases.

[TecateDan]

Hey ben can you do me a favor and send a couple of pieces of that frame along with the cradle. I'm looking for a couple of straigt pieces the same od as the bottom of the cage incase I need some filler stock or extra bracing.. Thanks man

[TecateDan]

Okay Ben. Here is the deal. I spent the last two weeks at night cleaning my shop and gettign ready for this build. Had to make room for an oven so I can do powder coat at home (SWEET) Fabio and I will probably start the build as soon as boat season is done after labor day. So come September 8th there will be some welding and cutting going on. Hopefully from that Quad but if not then SADLY the second gen trecate frame will have to be sacrafied to the 500 gods.... If anyone else want to ship me one that's fine too but it's time to stop talking and to start welding...

[just ben]

calm down bud. my life doesn't revolve around trikes, maybe it does. I have been extremly busy working 6-7 days a week seemingly around the clock. I am self employed as I told you at
tf. and when the work is there I have to take it.you will have the frame section I promised you. I will send you the whole frame including the astro kit if you want. minus the rear section that is going to brapp for his 500.I never asked for shipping or what ever,I said it's yours. I figure you will will bring it to tf and I can take it on the mx track and dump it.lol fair is fair haha. seriously give me a shout with the shipping addy and you will have it as soon as I can cut it off. (716)982-3963 be forewarned I have a toothache and can't get in the dentist office until monday so I may be grumpy. lol

[TecateDan]

My bad I totally forgot you were self employed!!!!! I've been there and you are right when the work is there you gota get the money. I'll pm you the Addy and let me know what shipping is. I'd rather pay you back. let you take the trike for a ride and you DON"T dump it in the mud at TF... FOr the record I did tell you I was going ot crash before I got on it so I was really just keeping my word. Now get of the boards and go make some money will you..

[86T3]

Can i get a ride too?

[TecateDan]

sure just leave a 5k cash deposit

[just ben]

the frame is cut up, not too pretty they definetly didn't have a skid plate on it. There really isn't any frame tubes left that I can send but I do have a little quad with the same diameter tubing for the frame but that may take me another month to get to BWAHAHAHA.

[TecateDan]

the frame is cut up, not too pretty they definetly didn't have a skid plate on it. There really isn't any frame tubes left that I can send but I do have a little quad with the same diameter tubing for the frame but that may take me another month to get to BWAHAHAHA.

I'll fill the dents with welding rod and sand them smooth is need be. Thanks for taking care of this for me buddy :-)

[just ben]

good becuase I lied. one frame I have is 1 1/8:" and the other is 7/8 the tecate is 1"