Whats the difference?

[Auto_Demon]

Ive always wondered what was the differences between the 1985 atc 250r and the 1986?

[Dirtcrasher]

Like 75 differences, from the frame to the forks. Everything got tweaked.....

Tons of threads on this, just last week I believe.

[Auto_Demon]

Like 75 differences, from the frame to the forks. Everything got tweaked.....

Tons of threads on this, just last week I believe.

ive searched throught the postes with the seacrh bar but there is like 80 pages and i dont want to go throught them all. and they only take the key words not the who phrase

[Dirtcrasher]

Then look on dot org because Kasey pointed them all it, may have put it in a special forum.....

http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/showthread.php?38410-1985-Atc250r-Vs-1986-Atc250r

IDK why he stopped. Frame is different, tank mounts different, there is a list somewhere :lol:

More:

http://boardreader.com/thread/How_to_tell_difference_between_85_86_250_lp58Xsyt. html

[deathman53]

yes, alot is different, but will swap over. the major things are the frame(less rake on 86), much stronger footpegs, improved/more available rear axle/swingarm/swingarm parts, bigger bottom shock bolt/bushing and improved forks(hold more oil)???. Either one is a good bet, so much has been swapped since new(unless the owner kept it original), that you are bound to find a mix of 85 and 86 parts. Mine has a mix of all 85 and 86 parts, as well as trx450r stuff.

[69-ss-396]

I have had both 85 and 86 frames laying side by side on my bench and there is no difference in the rake that have seen.. Lots of differences in the frames but it aint rake....

[Dirtcrasher]

Well, Deathman is just sharing and from my experiences with him, he knows his chit and doesn't post stuff to blow smoke........

[69-ss-396]

Not Saying he's wrong DC! But if the rake is different I sure didn't see it..........

[Dirtcrasher]

Honda always changed stuff by a couple MM's or a degree here or there for perfection, may not always be visible to the naked eye.......

[swampthang]

I though I read somewhere that there was 3 degrees difference in the rake from 85-86 The 86 seems to be built for more high speed riding like the baja.

[Auto_Demon]

thanks but i was kindof wondering about the visible differences like plastics, seat and stuff like that

[Mosh]

There are rake differances between the 2.

Visually....colors were the same.

85

had lower seat that said 250r on sides
had smaller headlight
top tripples were silver
the rad shroud stickers said honda with a wing
the shock ressy knob was black
engine was black
had pe series roundslide carb

had smaller gas cap
had relay arm attached to rear caliper

86

seat was 1.5 inches taller said atc on sides
larger headlight and non vented headlight shroud
top tripples were black
the rad shroud stickers said honda with a wing, but also said 250r
the shock ressy knob was gold
engine was grey
had pj series d slide carb
larger gas cap
no relay arm at rear caliper

[jmax857]

The extraa rake couuld be built into the tripples.

[deathman53]

doubt it, I changed from a 85 to 86 frame. Just swapping over everything that was on the 85 frame. I had a short track setup w/ some factory racing top tripple. Everything was left the same, just reassembled on the 86 frame. It handled worlds different. It seamed as it was more stable on higher speeds, turned slower, lower foot pegs than the 85 frame. I liked the changes of it. I already had a 86 trx swingarm, brake and axle setup on it, also a 86 bottom shock bolt and bushings.

[Mr. Clean]

69-ss-396 you may want to look at page 1-3 in the official Honda service manual under frame specs for the definite answer.

[deathman53]

caster angle.....21 degrees for an 85, 21 degree 30' for an 86