which set of reeds to get

[chrs]

Lookin to get a touch more power but widget is better v force or boisen v force has a new set up that snaps together but I'm lost on such one is better

[El Camexican]

I once bought a used bike with V-Force reeds and the reed block was "melted" where the reeds seat on the frame. I called them up and they said I was the first person who had ever had this problem (if I had a buck...) Then they said it was likley caused by bad gas as I was in Mexico??? (We don't use no stinkin Ethanol here MF!)

Point is I've used Boyseen reeds is every 2 stroke I've ever owned and have never had a problem.

[chrs]

Did the boisen work good did they up trailprotrailpro performance

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I have run V-Force in sleds with good results. One is just as good as the other IMHO. The thing about reeds is you wont really pick up any real significant power without supporting mods to go with them. Actually, i believe reeds are more of a supporting mod to bigger mods when the stock setup cant feed the beast well enough. Just to give an example from my experience, when I installed VF-3's in my sled, no jetting changes were needed. If jetting adjustments werent needed how much more power could one expect to gain? My sled engine was stock with stock exhaust. Put pipes and a couple other mods with them,and the benefit of the reeds increases. It did however seem to pick up a little snappier throttle response. But what something seems to be doesnt necessarily make it so...

[ceaserthethird]

I have a few different reed systems, from boyesen rad valve to v force 3 & Duncan racing pyramid valve cage....

And boyesen replacement reeds for the stock cage.

More of a supporting mod, but i did notice snappier response !

You'll want a full exhaust kit, 38mm carb, and hi flow air filter.

Go take a look at ESR racing

[El Camexican]

I agree on none of them being much of a performance booster, but they do smooth the transition into the power band and they let the engine get up on the pipe a little sooner as they are more pliable than steel and thus open sooner and of course if they break they won't take out your engine like steel can, but I've heard for max. RPM you stick with the steel reeds and remove the stops, or bend them back (open them). It shortens reed life a lot (I'm not recommending this) but you can allegedly get more RPM out of steel reeds. Can't say I've tried it, but if anyone has I'd like to know what the results were.

[dcreel]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/dcreel/005-17.jpg

[cr480r]

Never was a fan of dual stage boyesons. Pulled apart many machines and found them not closing all the way after very little use. I even have a brand new set that hangs open no matter how you flip them. The v-force 2reeds gave a nice gain on my quadracer but i think it had alot to do with the stock reed cage being too small. On my kawasaki i didnt notice any benefits over my carbon techs which are half the price. May have something to do with kawasakis having plenty of reed area to begin with. $100+ dollars for 1hp is not cost effective IMO. I often wonder if the gains people find are just from the old reeds being worn or weak.

[chrs]

I do have a full exhaust I have a 38mm Carb on k&n air filter but they set it up with a pice of pvc so kinda loose is it possible to suck to much air also running ngk br8es plug board .40 over just doesn't seem really to rip as much as I thought it would what else is there to do reeds will help but I want more from it

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Boring over is not really considered a hp adding mod. Boring and oversized piston is just done to keep piston/cylinder clearances in spec. Some people even think that bored .040 adds 40cc, .050 adds 50cc and so on....not true. I see it in CL ads all the time. Drives me nutz!

Get the cylinder ported if you want a really big kick in the pants. Fix that filter mount setup! If you are loose between the filter and the carb, your topend wont be long for this world!

[Swinger]

I do have a full exhaust I have a 38mm Carb on k&n air filter but they set it up with a pice of pvc so kinda loose is it possible to suck to much air also running ngk br8es plug board .40 over just doesn't seem really to rip as much as I thought it would what else is there to do reeds will help but I want more from it If your anything like me you are never gonna have enough, no matter how much its bored or what pipe so on and so forth!! The day I finally run down that unicorn hell may freeze over! Build it to where it runs like a smooth machine and leave it be is my advise. Maybe someday Ill take my own advice so I have a machine to ride instead of always working on one, ha ha. Good luck

[ceaserthethird]

Your best bet is to have it Ported.

pictures of the reeds -

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i167/ceaserthethird/250R%20Reed%20Valve%20Cage/100_1865.jpg
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[Mosh]

I agree with all these guys. There is always a misconception with "reeds and adding power"..
You generally wont get a "power gain" out of any reed system. You will get crisper throttle response and gain some bottom-mid torque, or top end pull depending on your set-up, but they do not really add power unless your are replacing steel reeds are coming off of worn out stock set-ups. Any power you feel you "gain" is just a "mind trip" thing if you ask me..

I am assuming you are talking about your TRX R again.
I had one with a FMF pipe that was built for hi RPM use, and personally I hated it. The FMF fatty was not to bad, but that Hi rev FMF sucked. It had no torque with that pipe on it.
So maybe you may just need a pipe that suits your riding style more, that will shift the power range down into the mid range for you. I dont know. You never specified where you want more power, so it is hard to help you. Maybe you could enlighten us with a little more clarity as to what type of riding you do and where you want to focus your power range at.

A cheap Mod would be to put on a 89 CR250 head gasket for some added torque on the bottom, if you are running a stock head and jug. Make sure your engine is in good mechanical order too. Low compression, fat or lean jetting will rob you of power also.

Stock TRX motors run pretty well IMO, so if you want significant more power, you may need to go with some good portwork, or just get a 295 kit on it.
My buddy had a TRX with a 265 kit and trinity porting with a LRD adjustable pipe and it friggn hauled the mail.
I have a Stock TRX with V force 2's and Paul Turner type 6 pipe. It isnt that fastest quad out there, but has a real nice mid range torque to it that makes it perfect for trails, and still gets moving on the top end too.

Out of reeds and choices though, that I have run on a R, the V force 2's seem to be the best, and I have rode them with Rad valves, Boyeson's and V f 3's. Really they all work well but the V forces series give the best throttle response IMO, but none made any bike any faster than the next.

[chrs]

Well its wrong to say but I want to try and keep up with my brother he has a 06 450r and has lots of tork I want more bottom and mid I do a little motocross at his house track set up just want a bike that will be all around power not worried about to much top end really don't use 5th and 6th gear all that often bike won't bring front end up on its own has fmf gold

[cr480r]

top end doesnt mean 5th and 6th gear.. it means the upper end of your engines power range.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

CHRS: I'm not trying to be smart with you in any way, but in earnest, please use some punctuation in your posts. It kind of difficult to sort out what it is you are trying to say with no form of punctuation. Please don't take offense as I am not trying to offend you.

Secondly: If you cant pop a wheelie at will in just about any gear something is out of line with your trike.

Thirdly: You will have trouble trying to out-torque any descent running 450. I drag race my cousin on his lowered, piped, K@Ned, HRC kitted and jetted '05 450r. I'm running a stock cylinder bored .060, 38mm ESR carb, 1Dir racing reeds and cage, FMF Fatty with Powercore silencer, CR head gasket and a Hinson basket and pressure plate. Unless the conditions are perfect for holeshotting a trike with its much lighter front end than the quad, he gets me off the line every time. All he has to do is rev, dump the clutch and go. I usually have my beanbag on the gas cap and if the surface is at all grabby I end up standing it up every time! Once I get underway, I don't gain on him, he doesn't increase his lead.

I intend to level the playing field a wee bit with an ESR 350 kit with all ESR intake and exhaust along with a +4 or +6 swinger. Still trying to decide between +4 and +6 as i still want to tear it up on the seasonal roads I ride up here in CNY.

Soon as i sell one of my sleds I'll be getting the project underway.

[atc007]

All correct info above,,but,,,Fix that air leak!!! Sucking ANY particles of dirt into your engine,,WILL NOT let you keep up with anyone!! A clean,oiled filter,and a tight intake will help you out. The hands down BEST reeds I ever had and sold were TDR. Tony Doukas Racing,,A jet ski specialist out of Florida.. Cheap!! $ 10 back in the 90's. A Defenite Noticeable snap on the low end! And again,,cheap. Good luck!

[chrs]

Thanks all. I ended up pulling out the spark arrester and it was pluged. Put new plug in now bike has some scary power just need to get reeds and get tuned

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Good deal, glad you got her figured out. :) Scary is a much more appropriate characterization of a properly running R... :cool:

[chrs]

But thanks again for all the help guys this has been a great help to me

[chrs]

But I still want to replace reeds but wich style to go with should I do cage and all.? Just need some info on best looked at tdr, but is that just replacement or cage and all? Kinda cheap, do they work? Looked at v force, may go that way, but wich to get 1 or 2 or 3? Boisen don't know much about, everyone has their preference but what works best

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Well, I dont believe you can get anything other than V-Force3 unless you find a used set of 1st gens or Deltas. With V-force you have to buy the whole setup as their reeds are completely different in design than your stockers. Never heard of TDR so I cant speak on them. Used a set or replacement Boyesen petals in an old yt125 years ago and they worked fine. Thing about Boyesen is they offer OEM style replacement petals for alot of machines...at least they used to at one time.

Myself, Im currently running 1Dir Racing's reedcage and reeds. They perform well, but the petals chip at the ends a little quicker than I'd like. SO, I am planning on getting ESR reeds and cage with torque spacer to go with my pending build/hop-up. Never used ESR reed setup before, but Im going to give it a whirl....

[chrs]

There several types to get for both v and b how good of a rep does ers have? Will look into em

[RIDE-RED 250r]

ESR, (Eddie Sanders Racing) is a very well known outfit. Check em out here http://www.eddie-sanders-racing.com/Default.asp

[cr480r]

I feel the TDR reeds are an excellent value. quality product at a very low price. i like carbon techs also but they cost more. I ran the carbon techs in two different machines and they are still ready for more. The outer petals on my v-force 2's began to show wear and fray apart way too soon considering the money spent.

[chrs]

Does anyone by chance know what the spacing is for the stock reeds? Mine are bent a touch and not sure were to put back in place for, so any help would be great.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

The reeds should lay flat against the reedblock when at rest. If you have reed petals that are sticking up they need to be replaced.