my 200x Lifted MONSTER in the works

[nicker71]

I got my 350x shock back from dirtworks today so I decided to throw together the parts I had to see what I have. Shock works nice I had it shorten about a inch. Of course its a bit soft, because the 350x shock has a softer spring than a 200x and the longer swingarm. I dont have any turns yet on the preload adjuster but if that isnt enough we plan on finding a heavier spring. Im using the stock 200 linkage.

In these pictures I have 350x trees but using 84 250r forks. Im planning on using my 350x forks because they are about .5 inch longer. I dont have a 350x wheel yet, so these will work until i find a wheel. I also have a 25in tall matching swamplite tire on a black rim, but its at my friends house, so Im threw on my 250r tire. This tire is a 24in. I added some blocks and then a piece of wood to figure out how much more lift I want to add to the front. 3.5-4.5 in more should do the trick. I figure a rough increase of a inch just by adding my 25 inch tall tire and the 350x forks.

Anyone have any ideas on how to make the front taller?? I think I may look into have a extension that can be bolted to my forks up top. Something like bolting the extension to the upper fork tube and having it clamp to it and then slide it up in the upper tree like it was the fork.

Future plans once I get the height where it needs to be include fresh powdercoat new plastic with tank. I have a 185s motor thats prob going in it, but I may throw my 200x top end on it.




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The lower number is with nothing under the front tire. The other is with a four inch block
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/nicker71/200xlift1.jpg

[Dirtcrasher]

Your steering rake is nearly verticle, that rear shock mount is gonna have to be moved or the steering neck adjusted to compensate or it won't handle very well....

[nicker71]

Im not really to concerned about handling on something that going to be nearly 20 in high off the ground. But if I I have a something machined that could lengthen the fork tubes then I coulld have it made to fit my already lengthen 200x forks which would put he rake back in.

I could always go back a couple sizes on the rear tire length.

[gomer202]

That things a monster

[chuckiedog04]

what type of riding do you plan with that beast? mudding, just driving it, or like more jumping?

[hillbilly 200x]

thats sweet :drool::drool:

[whitecord]

my buddy had a bike like that. it wasn't much good for anything but wheelies. he had a wheelie bar with a wheel on it to keep it going..lol

[BiGDawG]

makes me wish i didn't ride my daily.. i'd like to lift mine a bit

[nicker71]

My brother and I would always play around in the creeks years ago. We would always try to out do one another by crossing the deepest water crossing. Thats where the idea came from, but this will be more of a show piece just to drive around my sub division and stuff. Im sure it wouldnt be good to jump. I have a regular 200x still to play with and i just got a 84 250r too. And of course my yfz450 xc race quad.

Once I figure out how to raise the front 4 more inches I take some more pics.

[motoman1012002]

your best bet would find some dirtbike forks that are longer and machine the tripple tree's neat wheeler

[xrider]

find a set of xr200 forks from the early 80s. They bolt onto the 200x triple trees and are longer than the 200x forks by a few inches. That should help out your off set and balance out your stance of the trike without sacrificing lift.

[nicker71]

I did this to my other 200x using the xr forks. The 350x fork are still a tad longer. But it gave my other 200x a better stance.

[250rRoostmaster]

Thats things pretty damn cool i must say!

[fabiodriven]

This thing's a hit with the newbs. Says a lot.

[ametzker]

Sweet man. Looking at those initial pics brought me back a few months ago on my build. That should be fun. It looks like the swing arm is extended. How much farther back is it taking into account angle?

[bkm]

Have you taken into account the drive chain angle?

[nicker71]

I thought about that being a problem and may need additional chain guides to keep it from rubber the frame/swing arm. Im going to put the motor in soon and check everything out and drive it around a little before sending it to be powdercoated. I saw a pic of the guy building a custom full suspension 185s and he had some good pics of his custom chain roller guides.

Well its a +5.5 swingarm and angled down twice as much as stock (rough guess) so a little trig and its about 4" longer?? I dont really know without getting some measurements.

[nicker71]

Ive made some progress since my last post. I got the fork extensions made by dirtworks, and I made a chain guide and a few other things. Right now Ive got 17 inches of travel from under the frame to the ground and plan on making a tri z front wheel fit the front so I can run a taller tire. If I can get it to work then its a 30inch up front and a set of 28s in the rear with a nice set of wheels. I'd like to put the 200x topend on the 185s auto bottom end and powder coat everything and new plastic.

[nicker71]

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[nicker71]

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[chuckiedog04]

i like it. i don't know how it would handle but it sure has a "wow" factor

[nicker71]

Thanks, Its not good for much other than the wow factor. I just like looking at it and knowing they'res not any thing like it.

[partsmaster]

I like the wow factor as well. Them 25s look like 20s on that hawg

[badass350x]

Let's see some pics of how your chain rollers are coming along?

[fabiodriven]

Holy goofball trikes Batman.

I would imagine a mullet is mandatory when operating this contraption, no?

[nicker71]

Holy goofball trikes Batman.

I would imagine a mullet is mandatory when operating this contraption, no?

LOL, yeah and I was thinking of adding the ball sack thing that some of the red necks have one their trucks receiver hitch to set it off.

[dougspcs]

It looks...UMMM, ERRR unique, interesting.

I think the metal testicles are understood..you can forget those!!!

Hate to say it but with this design, I kinda see a short trip over the handle bars in your future, but the judges will hold their numbers until the video shows how it runs out and handles. You are posting a video right??

[nicker71]

I don't ever see myself going over 25 mph with this thing, thats for sure. It rides smooth, the back shock will bottom out easly though. I need to widen the rear end a bit to help make it more stabile.

[dougspcs]

I don't ever see myself going over 25 mph with this thing, thats for sure. It rides smooth, the back shock will bottom out easly though. I need to widen the rear end a bit to help make it more stabile.

The leverage on that rear shock has been greatly extended of course. It probable squats 5-6 inches just sitting on it..am I right?

She sure would be a comfy ride!!

[nicker71]

The leverage on that rear shock has been greatly extended of course. It probable squats 5-6 inches just sitting on it..am I right?

She sure would be a comfy ride!!

Yes you are correct, the extra 6 inches of length to swingarm puts much more leverage to the rear shock. I have a shortened 350x shock on the rear to raise the height. The problem with the 350x shock is that the spring has a lower rate than a 200x spring, but its longer. Dirtworks couldnt find an aftermarket atv spring anywhere close to what comes stock on this. He did say they could probably find a spring from an anothe type of applications such as midget cars or something. But this seems to work ok the way it is as long as Im not doing any aggressive ridding, which I wont be. The 350x shock has been shorten quite a bit and only allows 7" of rear suspension travel with the long swing arm. I have the preload 3/4 of the way tightened down (but remember its a shortened shock, so it puts much more sag into the spring than a stock length 350x shock) it only sags about 3inches with me sitting on it and Im around 190lbs. So I guess I might risk breaking the spring if I bottom it out.

[nicker71]

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[Yamaha_Rules69]

Will that chain really work at that angle? How long will those rollers last? I was going to do something like this on my 200x once, but I didnt like the way the chain looked when the rear sprocket was so low. Does it work?

[nicker71]

I havent had any problems yet, but I havent pushed it very hard either. I was thinking i might need a lower chain tensioner on a spring or some type, because the chain comes pretty loose when the shock compress due the extreme angle. I built the roller bracket heavy duty to withstand all the force of the chain pulling on it and also picked up the roller off of ebay. Its a dual bearing roller, and its still looks nearly new.
Only time will tell if it will hold up. I plan on ridding it quite a bit before stripping it down and painting it, just to make sure everything works like it should. I hate to have rework the frame after its been powdercoated.

[bcredneck]

you need forks from a early 80s 125 there normaly way longer and would hold up way better than welding an exention on to your old ones

[whyzee]

Looks like a fun little toy. Nice job on doing something that unique!

[nicker71]

Its been a while since I posted last... I was having problems with the engine it was low on compression, I since have swapped out the top end with a 200x. It runs good now good power and gearing isnt to bad, I have the 11 front and 44 rear, I have a 10 tooth front which I will try soon. The chain guide is holding up well, but at time does make some noise on the bottom side. I need to fab or find a spring tensioned chain guide for the bottom. I just bought some 4" wheel spacers for the rear I'm going to try out.

I'm going to take it out to the farm and test its capability in deep water, before stripping it all down to powdercoat. Heres the most recent pics

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I'm trying out a 250ex muffler to quiet it down vs the cobra
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[Louis Mielke]

You need to snorkel this thing, gear it way LOW, like tractor pulling low, and also snorkel the exhaust.

Also, instead of the typical chain roller, you need to get a sprocket with a bearing in the center to make a true idler sprocket.

I would totally mudd that thing, get some rubber mud flap extenders for the fenders too! YAY!

[captainweezy]

Hats off to you. Very unique!

[buzzy613]

that looks awsome! haha!

[WIkid500]

This thing's a hit with the newbs. Says a lot.

Well said!

[Louis Mielke]

This thing's a hit with the newbs. Says a lot.

I dunno, I think it's neat, not very useful but for a purpose it's neat. Needs some bugs worked out.

[oldskool83]

its different, just not the normalish thing we see 200xs used for. Ill say that. i woudnt want to ride it though. but we are all different

[Dirtcrasher]

It may be a fun mud machine but it is well over raked and won't have and straight line or cornering abilities.

Who cares, you can always enjoy it now and change it in the future if desired.......

[nicker71]

I took it out to farm today, and it actualy goes pretty good. Handles better than I thought and rides smooth. Its geared down and tops out at 45 max maybe guessing. Trust me if you seen this and had the chance, you would want to ride it...

I took it out in the lake and the rear end floats easily and becomes unstable. I flipped it over once in about 3.5" of water.
I have videos and will try to post later on, I think a snorkel would be cool but it get really hard to balance and the water isnt even to the tank yet, so maybe no snorkel is needed.

I'm still not sure why some people think it over raked??? with the 350x front end stock its under raked, then add the extensions it puts the front tire about right.It's definatily not over raked.

This build is no different than full out drag bikes thats only purpose is drag racing. Mine is for creaking and light trail ridding,its not going to be good at much else, I have 350x and 250r for the more aggressive stuff. I had parts laying around and I decided to go a different direction with this. Its fun to ride and thats what its for. Maybe I need dual on the rear??

[Big Mike]

You think you have a problem now with the rear floating, if you put duals on it, it will float in a puddle!

[coolpool]

You think you have a problem now with the rear floating, if you put duals on it, it will float in a puddle!

Agreed. Maybe think like the guys who race in the swamps, install tall, skinny, tractor type tires. Get to the bottom of the creek to utilize all that lift you installed. Definitely different for sure. Neat looking.

[nicker71]

video maybe if it works.

first time in any water, 2nd pass
http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/nicker71/?action=view&current=IMG_0296.mp4

[nicker71]

3rd pass
http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/nicker71/?action=view&current=IMG_0297.mp4

[Louis Mielke]

Oh my lord that's so awesome i laughed so hard!

[Dirtcrasher]

You need a helmet and some snorkels; otherwise, it's looking great!

[kawasaki666]

Tripples in the front and duals in the rear! Ity'll float for sure! Nice ryd!!!

[TatTooL23]

That's cool man. I think it's awesome. Something different. I agree with above. The thin tall tires and that thing would really go in the deep water with a snorkel.

[El Camexican]

There are not a lot of vehicles I'd say this about, but that thing would look good with a Harley engine in it.

[Sneakers]

What a beast that trike is awesome! Too funny... A mask and life jacket are probably more appropriate :)

[daniel_250r]

cool but I've been deeper ;)

[jmax857]

I wouldn't drive thatt tthing without a helmet, it must hanndle like death trap.
Other than that its pretty cool.

[Dirtcrasher]

I wouldn't drive thatt tthing without a helmet, it must hanndle like death trap.
Other than that its pretty cool.

I'm willing to bet he claims it handles fantastic and rides longer wheelies!! :lol:

[nicker71]

1st pass,

http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/nicker71/?action=view&current=IMG_0295.mp4

[nicker71]

I wouldn't drive thatt tthing without a helmet, it must hanndle like death trap.
Other than that its pretty cool.

Your right I should have a helmet on, My worst fear is that the front forks will bend or break. I wont be doing high speed maneuvers with it that for sure.

[Louis Mielke]

The mods are being real lenient here. Typically we'd pull these videos immediately because of no helmet. In fact why don't you do us a favor and at least change them to link only instead of embedded.

[nicker71]

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Update. I've lowered the lift down since my last video, due mostly to poor handling. Just recently I've decided to try and fit a taller tire on it. I started with the front first because it was going to be the most trouble. Here it is with a 30x8-12 tire(only one I could find this size).

Working on the rear now, I have some 3x9-14 zilla's for the back.

[oscarmayer]

cool but I've been deeper ;)

Not what SHE said! :p


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[nicker71]

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I got the back wheels/tires installed and I was quick to mount them. The offset of the new wheels have drastically narrowed the rear, so I'll need to widen it back out soon. Also looks like I need another inch or two longer swingarm, and I'll freshen up the shock too while I'm at it. And of course I'll need to lower the gearing. Looking to swap out the bottom end with a 200e bigred engine so I can have that low/high gear. And since I have the option, I'll probaby go ahead and get the electric start hooked up and mount a small battery.

[mike m]

im not sure but I think 83-84 250r forks are longer and will fit right into the 200x triple.

[onformula1]

83-84 250r forks are 35mm, 200x forks are 33mm so they won't fit the stock triple clamps, but they are alot longer

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