View Full Version : Note for anyone thinking of buying a 3 wheeler in the US to bring to Canada.
dougspcs
03-30-2011, 10:54 PM
Well 1st of all it was really easy. But just a couple of things you should know.
1st. Since they are banned vehicles in most states you can't hold a title on them there...which is good because all you need to buy one is a bill of sale from the seller. In my case the seller was from Michigan and he didn't have the title (no one does there)
2nd. Verify that the province you are bringing it into doesn't have 3 wheelers on a prohibited list. Ontario does...BUT it only prohibits the import of 3 wheel vehicles newer than 15 years. Stupid huh? Since they are ALL more that 15 years old.
So there you are at the border with your new 3 wheeler, bill of sale in hand, verified that it can enter the province you live in. In Ontario we fill out a form called a RIV(forget what it stands for), paid a bit of tax on the receipt amount.
Shazam, a done deal, my 3 wheeler is now proud to be Canadian! One more of these collectibles robbed from the US and brought to the land of the free, home of the brave!!
Oh yes my American friends, here in Ontario they can be titled, plated and insured..in fact you have to in order to ride in some areas. Plus you have to pay trail permits in some places..
Next, I get to go to MTO to see if I can get a title/plates. Stay tunes Canadians..I'll let you know how that goes..
matt86200x
03-30-2011, 11:33 PM
Good to know. What model bike did you bring back?
Jason125m
03-31-2011, 01:50 AM
How much did it cost you to ship a trike across the border? I've always been interested, just figured shipping fees would be outrageous.. haha
Jason.
dougspcs
03-31-2011, 07:13 AM
I brought back my baby Blue ATC110, and I didn't pay anything for shipping. I took my own vehicle and trailer..you are probably right, shipping would be crazy expensive.
hillbilly 200x
03-31-2011, 07:38 AM
good to know, I am figth with the mto right now to get my sx and ownership, if it was never had an owner ship or is from another province of Canada you have to get an affidait and get a honda dealer to verifiy the vin, make, modle, aff, an year. It maybe differernt for you as it was brought up from the states tho
honda4h
03-31-2011, 08:03 AM
its not that easy is it getting a ownership a pane in the ass and i have done all that leg work and and still been denied ownership. i have been told i had to find the original owner of the bike and he had to have proof he got it from the dealer. in order to get one.now I'm at a point where i only buy bikes with ownerships unless I'm looking for a parts bike. as for the us bikes much better deals there and more 200x and 350x 250r hard to come by here in Canada. its good to know you can get a ownership for them. and I'm only 20min away from border.
dougspcs
03-31-2011, 08:22 AM
I didn't say I had ownership yet..just that it was easy to get here. The RIV document that Canada Customs had me complete should allow me to get ownership. I HOPE!! If not it will have to be for use on my parents farm or other private property. Or just swap the plate from one if my others as need be.
Just-Tri-It
03-31-2011, 09:36 AM
"Shazam, a done deal, my 3 wheeler is now proud to be Canadian! One more of these collectibles robbed from the US and brought to the land of the free, home of the brave!!"
Doesn't sound like the home of the too free over there to me. Sounds like the USA your in. LOL. The Red in the red, white and blue stands for government 'Red Tape". Looks like the Canadian flag has Red in it too.
perrycyn
03-31-2011, 10:28 AM
^^^^Ya got that right!!!^^^^
dougspcs
03-31-2011, 10:41 AM
Yeah, that 'home of the free' thing is kinda ironic.
I read in the paper the other day about a guy riding his ATV on a rural road got pulled over by police. Charges included, riding an ATV on public road, and no insurance..wait what?? If it isn't legal to ride on the road, why would you need insurance at all. So if he had insurance, it still wouldn't have been legal..I'm confused.
Oh yeah did I mention the import rule for 3 wheel vehicles..any 3 wheeler that is less than 15 years old is prohibited to enter Canada. They are ALL over 15 years old..why have that rule at all?
I know nothing is 'free' or common sense about the rules in Canada. I just managed to find a way to play with them to get what I wanted..
200XMichigan
03-31-2011, 10:42 AM
We brought a couple diesel Landcruisers back from Canada to Michigan and it wasn't near as hard as everyone made it sound. No $1200 registered importer fees. My advice to anyone thinking of crossing borders with a vehicle purchase is call the point where you are crossing. Its really up to the people at the bordered, and being nice on the phone and at the border helps a lot.
Tecate250
03-31-2011, 11:13 AM
Haha. You just need to find areas that law enforcers dont go. Only trikes i Havent mannaged to find here in NS are 1986-87 tecates.
Xhumeka
03-31-2011, 11:49 AM
You guys that have problems getting ownership (aka title) for your trikes here in Ontario - just go to another MTO branch.
It's pathetic, but a LOT of branches don't know what the hell they are doing. I have purchased at least 5 ATCs that never had ownership, and I've had ZERO problems getting it each and every time. Yes, I needed to have an Affidavit notorized, but it was a very simple form and I never needed to get ahold of previous owners or Honda Canada etc.
Here is the affidavit template I have used each time: http://www.ragefaction.info/images/psych0/orv/misc/affidavit.jpg
But like I said, some MTO offices are filled with IDIOTS - I did have problems once at an office in Kitchener, but simply walked out when they started arguing with me, went to my usual Toronto branch and walked out with ownership 10 mins later.
Doug - GREAT NEWS BUDDY!!!! Baby blue 110, wow, LET'S SEE SOME PICTURES!!!
Jason125m
03-31-2011, 12:25 PM
Ownership has always been very easy for me to get here in Ontario... All i needed was a bill of sale, and boom. Plate and ownership for 35 $ + tax on the purchase price.
dougspcs
03-31-2011, 01:15 PM
This is my new addition..ain't she purdy?120996
By the way has anyone heard of Trikers Anonymous? I need to join a group to stop this collection addiction..3 in 4 months. My wife is getting displeased..also I haven't touched my 4wheeler in four months. The other day I think I heard it ask if I still loved it!!
Modding_out
03-31-2011, 01:29 PM
I haven't touched my 4wheeler in four months. The other day I think I heard it ask if I still loved it!!
I hope you answered a truth full "NO"....No need to drag the "relation ship" on any longer than it has to:rolleyes:
RIDE-RED 250r
03-31-2011, 03:06 PM
OP: Im not sure where you got the impression you cant license and insure trikes in the US. I dont know about other states, but here in NY you can very easliy license and insure a trike. My brother has 2 with plates and insurance, I have 1. Its the exact same thing as licensing a quad for us here. No trouble at all, and all done 100% legit.
dougspcs
03-31-2011, 03:55 PM
Maybe I spoke to generally..but specifically Michigan, my neighbour. Trikes there are still banned, you can't title them!!
Just-Tri-It
03-31-2011, 06:26 PM
This is my new addition..ain't she purdy?120996
By the way has anyone heard of Trikers Anonymous? I need to join a group to stop this collection addiction..3 in 4 months. My wife is getting displeased..also I haven't touched my 4wheeler in four months. The other day I think I heard it ask if I still loved it!!
It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to collect em and save em. And that is a fine looking bike, even if it is a Honda. LOL. Still looks to be in great shape and not worn out.
Buy the wife a new pair of shoes, that she likes, and you'll be fine. Add a dress to it and you'll be set for another trike.
RoscoW
03-31-2011, 07:54 PM
1- No state or Province has ever "banned" the ownership of Three wheelers. Most dealers won't touch them with a 10' pole but they can be bought and sold privately without issue.
2- You can get titles for three wheelers in Mi., in fact form what I understand it is one of the easier states to get a title in. One of the other members from London here has had a couple machines titled in Mi before bringing them across.
I think (someone correct me If I'm wrong) that a title in the States is held by the institution holding the loan(as a lien) until the machine is paid for and then you apply to transfer the title to your name?? Because it's not a required document a lot of times it doesn't get transferred with the machine. My understanding is that the title just states that you are the rightful owner and there are no loans against the machine.
3- You will probably need a clear title at the MTO as well as the customs form 1 you got at the border. I did it once with a Banshee without the title by having the Secretary of State office in Mi. fax directly to the MTO office I was using a document showing the title was clear (no one owed $$ to anyone).
4- Licensing is simply a Off Road vehicle registration thing. No road privileges are granted (that's a township by township thing) Insurance is only if you are riding on property other than that owned by you. All you need liability to be legal.
And now the crappy part, A three wheeler is not considered an "ATV" in Ontario by the Highway Traffic act (The law book) An ATV has 4 wheels, a seat that is straddled by the rider, bla bla bla We are considered an ORV. If a Lawyer was involved in writing it you will need a lawyer to understand it
http://www.northblenheim.ca/files/upload/ATV_Information_Sheet_2009-07.pdf
http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/showthread.php?t=43204
Ross..
200XMichigan
03-31-2011, 08:05 PM
I am pretty sure some of the Michigan folks with nicer trikes than mine have got titles. You can get a title for them, most people just don't bother. They aren't banned in Michigan. Just not a road legal vehicle, so they won't give you plate. You couldn't get a license plate for a quad either. But an ORV sticker will let you travel the right of way everywhere but the highway and freeway. No insurance needed. And you can get an ORV sticker for trikes in Michigan, that's as far as licensing goes for them.
Nice blue 110, if it had to leave Michigan I'm glad it went to a good home.
dougspcs
03-31-2011, 08:19 PM
I guess I'm wrong then..just passing what Canada Customs told me. But then they are government!!
200XMichigan
03-31-2011, 08:22 PM
That's what is funny about customs, they all know something, just not what they think they know. Probably they just never see them come through with titles.
RoscoW
03-31-2011, 09:28 PM
That sounds about right, Canada customs telling someone about Michigan Titles............ I had to argue a little when I brought my R's back about the "newer than 15 yr " thing. He was wrong..
Sweet 110 BTW
Ross..
bcredneck
04-01-2011, 12:03 AM
i hope people keep doing this the us border crossing in my town wont let you take them back to the us even if you say it coming back to canada with you
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